Yngwie

oh yes, how funny.. Hmmm did Bush get Osama? Ohh no he didn't and he's barely ever mentioned anymore so using "Maybe, when Osama reaches Torontos skyscrapers, destroys your peoples lives, and kills your loved ones, you will be enthusiastic about killing muslim extremeists, like Americans are" is useless. When Osama is caught let me know.. Of course by the time this happens I will be dead. It's nice how you think only americans were killed on that day.. Think again. Osama is not in Iraq, they have saddam yet they are still fighting in IRAQ? for what exactly now? Don't tell me "They are searching for Osama" cuz that's bullshit. You really think that this war is solving anything? It's not. I don't care who started the war.. bush, kerry, the fucking pope.. It's not gonna solve a damn thing.

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crowkid

1000 soldiers died in a country which was a safe haven for various terrorist groups and organizations..

WarChild

Yes webmasters are being locked up at record rates. I mean just look at the number of GFY members we've lost in the last 4 years to jail. Staggering number. Also pretty round.

I don't ever watch Fox. Who told you Kerry is NOT the most liberal? His voting record points to him being on the Liberal side of nearly every vote. Since neither of us were in the Senate for the passed 20 years, both our sources are second hand.

Many news agencies have reported on Kerry's Voting record. I haven't seen anyone refute these reports yet.

tony286

Its documented thats not true , 15 of the 911 terrorists were saudis and we know that saudia arabia supports terror . Tell me again why we are in Iraq facts please not pundit bullshit.

tony286

Why dont you look up his record yourself, so you have real info. They couldnt do anything because of the war and 911. Its starting with 2257, I hope you are right and I am wrong.

WarChild

I don't look up his voting record myself, because I'm not that interested. As stated on this board many times, I don't get a vote. I'm forming my opinions based on what I can pick out of the media crap. I know full well the media perpetuates bullshit. On both sides.

If I were an American with a vote, I'd surely do first hand research. Since I'm not, it's sort of a waste of my time.

I don't want to see webmasters going to jail. 2257, while not good, is also not impossible to deal with. Plenty will continue on. As of yet I haven't seen any legislation proposed to wipe porn off the planet.

untitled

your an idiot, answer your own question it isn't that hard to figure out. alot lean to republicans and alot to democrats, you think a democrat is gonna vote bush cuz they have the same views on the war, i doubt it.. dems hate bush, duh!

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directfiesta

doesn't happen:

http://www.girlspooping.com/

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tony286

They get another four years it will be interesting

Veterans Day

Thats as obscene as it comes, in an overwhelming majority of societies.

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Phoenix

haha why is the postal service on there..lol

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WarChild

I'm sorry, but scat and porn are different in my mind.

I also wasn't aware that John A. and the Bush Administration were responsible for passing: United States Code Sections 1461 and 371.

tony286

Also Rob Black and the couple in TX .Also W supporters read what US attorney said about the guy in Tx who got busted for not paying taxes. I m telling you they are setting the stage.

WarChild

Because sending material deemed to be obscene through the US Postal Service falls under their jurisdiction.

WarChild

Seems like paying taxes would be a prudent thing to do.

I think it's fair to say that while society clearly likes porn, nobody wants a pornographer on their block. We are, for the most part, considered by many to be part of the underbelly of society. How many people would go to an event at their son or daughter's school and proudly exclaim they are pornographers? Not very many I'd bet.

So if you're operating a business that's already frowned upon, not paying your taxes is suicide.

uno

My god, did you not pay attention to the various plots and intense terrorism meetings in and around the millenium?

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WarChild

Arguably the infamous "millenium plot" was stopped more by a particularily alert customs agent than by any act of the Administration.

No additional security net stopped the plot. A border guard did.

tony286

I love it how clinton had nothing to do with anything postive that happened on his watch only the bad, that is too fucking funny but W is not responsible for 911 even though he was warned multiple times before it happened.

directfiesta

What is a turn on to some IS obscene to others...

Gay fucking each other in improper orifices used for defecation ARE obscene to Ass-Shit...

I was just answering the statment that " none"...

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There were multiple plots, not just the inept guy that got caught at the border.

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tony286

Thank you but your wasting your breath the sheep have no idea.

WarChild

It's not like Clinton had strengthened that border. It wasn't federal officers that caught this particular guy. It was a Customs Agent, going about their normal duties.

WarChild

I'd like to hear more about them. Not because i'm challenging you here. Just because I haven't heard more.

Could you tell us about some specific plots that were foiled by the Administration?

WarChild

So John A. is in your mind directly responsible for the Obscenity laws that were in play in the scat case?

Dead13

You can't possibly mean the generals that have gotten over 1,000 of our soldiers killed and then have given up 5 of the largest cities in Iraq with the only exception being in Bagdad. Shit last night 60 minutes did an entire story about how the soldiers in Najaf faught like hell and lost many lives just so they could force one group out, then another group came right back in and the entire area is now a "No Go Zone."

People if war was like the NFL we would have fired our Generals months ago in favor or some real talent that could change our strategy and lead our troops to victory and stop giving up land that we supposedly already won.

Sorry this is not exactly in line with the subject of the thread, but it had to be stated.


To answer the original question, I think this administration has lied to us so much about why we went to war in the first place I can't even fucking remember if I supported the damn thing or not. THAT is the biggest reason we need these shitfucks out of office NOW!

And yes I disagree with Bush on almost every other issue. I do not agree with his budget policy, I do not agree with his tax plans, I do not agree with his FAR RIGHT RELIGIOUS stance on legal issues, I do not agree with him always trying to use religion as a mandate, I do not agree with going into war without a plan to win the peace, I do not agree on the obsurd wasteful spending when we are already in record deficit, I do not agree that telling our friends and allies to fuck off and not giving them the time of day is the right thing to do, I do not agree that we should abandon the U.N and NATO, I do not agree with giving tax loopholes to companies who send factories and jobs overseas, I do not agree with his attacks on the constitution, I do not agree that we need people in office who LIED to us to make us go to war, I do not agree with his attacks on OUR INDUSTRY, I do not agree that he is fighting the war on terror in an effective way at all, I do not agree he has made America safer than 911.

I do believe we are weaker, and we are more unsecure than we were before 911.

No I do not agree 100% on everything Kerry has said, but I do know I disagree 100% with everything that has ever come out of Bush's mouth and administration.

I would rather FIRE the devil I know and give somebody else a chance. If Kerry fucks it up we can vote for John McCaine in 2008 but at least ALL OF US will still have our jobs and I am 100% sure we will all be better off in the next 4 years no matter how badley ANYONE else could do.

Bush has set the bar for WORST PRESIDENT EVER! Nixon can breath easy now

WarChild

I've enjoyed echanging our view points in this thread with you.

Will all due respect though, you do yourself a disservice by tossing the term "sheep" around. The characters who so quickly drop to the level of defending their arguments with this accusation are generally far worse than any sheep. Witness Sex Edcuation's posts.

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tony286

I'm not sex education , when people dont have their eyes open to the truth. They are sheep, just numbly accepting the bullshit they are being fed. Even though so much points to the facts. I have enjoyed exchanging views with you also.

Claude

You are right about that, obviously they don´t have a clue...

There were multiple things happening while Clinton was president, the only difference is that Clinton was all over it, and dealt with it.

The last few years of his presidency he was actively trying to get Bin Laden and other terrorists.

When Bush took over the white house, Clinton told him that the number 1 threat to the US was Bin Laden, but Bush just didn´t give a fuck....

For you morons who think that Clinton did nothing, read Dick Clarkes book: Against All Enemies ( and no - he´s not a Clinton man - He worked for Reagan, Bush Sr. Clinton and Bush Jr (the stupid one) and he quit after before 911 (but was still active on 911) because Bush just didn´t have a clue and because he couldn´t get trough to the imbecil.

Hell, if that´s not enough - read Clintons book (even though you probably already made up you mind).

There was a LOT of terrorist activity under Clinton, but he dealt with it EFFECTIVELY instead of going on vacation and ignoring reports titled: "Bin Laden Determined To Attack Inside the US"...

BTW: CrowKid - Your question was answered on the first half of the first page, even though you probably don´t understand the answers...

Goodnight KID !!!!!!!!!!

tony286

Well said

Claude

Richard Clarke: Against all enemies.

Read it and remember that he worked for Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton and tried to get a meeting with Bush jr. everyday from Feb 2001 to Sep 11 2001 but Bush just ignored him. On September 12 2001 he meet with Bush jr. for the first time (a little to late)....

Read the book and you´ll know - again remember that it´s not written by a Clinton man, but by someone who dealt with terrorism for decades (and 4 administrations) and who predicted 911 and tried to tell Bush jr. over and over and over, but was ignored...

Claude

And you can add the 911 commision report to the list as well....

directfiesta

Warchild can't read.... He copies his idol:

G.W.Bush ... he said also that he doesn't read...

Nice pair!

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WarChild

You really are small minded, aren't you?

I don't agree with you so I can't read and I must probably be stupid too? Thanks for clearning up any question about your own intellectual prowess.

You're questioning my reading ability while posting in poor English yourself? Incredible.

I read an awfult lot, actually.

G.W. Bush is not my idle. I just don't happen to believe the John Kerry is a better choice.

Let's just stick with having civil conversation, shall we? If you want to drop to personal attacks, I don't want to play. This isn't a playground. We're not 12 years old.