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Old 09-12-2004, 09:24 AM   #1
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Normal Guns are for pussies. Assault Weapons in stores now

The 1994 law banning 19 types of assault weapons expired today

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Old 09-12-2004, 09:26 AM   #2
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Old 09-12-2004, 09:28 AM   #3
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yep its just crazy to allow assault weapons ... I'm no expert but I'd say crime goes up

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Old 09-12-2004, 09:30 AM   #5
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Old 09-12-2004, 09:31 AM   #6
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Old 09-12-2004, 09:32 AM   #7
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yep its just crazy to allow assault weapons ... I'm no expert but I'd say crime goes up

the industries have more power than the president

Its a good thing your not an expert because the stats say you hav it backwards..


If everyone has a gun , i would be much more worried commiting a crime that some hairtrigger grannie blows me away.

There are a few cities in the usa that REQUIRE you to own a gun ( and coincidently have some of the lowest crime stats on record )
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Old 09-12-2004, 10:40 AM   #8
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yep its just crazy to allow assault weapons ... I'm no expert but I'd say crime goes up

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Corleone,

You're right, you aren't an expert.

Assault weapons have never been shown to pose a disproportionate threat to the health, safety, and security of all citizens in the US; in fact, only about 8-10% of gun crimes are committed with longarms of any sort.

Please, stop spreading your missinformation.
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Old 09-12-2004, 10:44 AM   #9
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Old 09-12-2004, 11:52 AM   #10
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Corleone,

You're right, you aren't an expert.

Assault weapons have never been shown to pose a disproportionate threat to the health, safety, and security of all citizens in the US; in fact, only about 8-10% of gun crimes are committed with longarms of any sort.

Please, stop spreading your missinformation.
And significantly less than 1% involve "assault" weapons.
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Old 09-12-2004, 11:54 AM   #11
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so i can go buy an uzi today? fuck, always kinda wanted an uzi.
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so i can go buy an uzi today? fuck, always kinda wanted an uzi.
Uzi's are kind of retarded, you cant even aim them
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Old 09-12-2004, 12:10 PM   #13
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Other than a virility symbol I wonder why anyone would want to own an assault weapon.

No good far target shooting, hunting or what else?

What are the crime figures on guns being used in defense against shooting a family member, friend, neighbor aquaintence?
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Old 09-12-2004, 12:35 PM   #14
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Charly,

I feel bad for you. You're position regarding assault weapons has been horribly twisted by the media.

Assault weapons (specifically AR-15's) ARE used extensively for target shooting and hunting.

There are many national competition, in which highly skilled individuals shoot out to over 600 yards with open iron sights. It takes tremendous skill and ability to hold an 8-10 pound rifle steady enough to align your sights out to a distance that far.

It's a blast to attend, and compete in such a demanding sport.

Futhermore, many individuals do hunt with assault rifles. Because of they are usually chambered in a small round, they are limited to hunting small game. Many hunt varmint and other animals. However, unlike what the media portrays, they don't hunt with 90 round magazines. The Department of Fish and Game regulates hunting, and stipulates that in many places you can only hunt with a 10 round magazine.

Assault weapons do not have a higher rate of fire or "capacity for firepower" than a garden-variety deer rifle: all "assault weapons" are semi-automatic firearms, which means that they fire a single round per trigger pull; they are not the fully-automatic machine guns that they are frequently misrepresented as.
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Message to the morons: Crime goes DOWN when law abiding people own more guns. Crime goes UP when guns are taken away from law abiding people.

Criminals are labeled that because they are law breakers. So criminals don't give a fuck about gun laws. Laws do not stop criminals from owning guns because they do not follow the laws.

Got it fucktards?

Or do you need these facts repeated another million times before it sinks into your thick communistic skulls?
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Old 09-12-2004, 12:38 PM   #16
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That's gay. I want an ak47. Is that possible ?
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Old 09-12-2004, 12:44 PM   #17
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TKoProductions maybe then I do have the wrong end of the stick. I see assault weaposn and thing AK47s.

Gynecologist so answer my question about "Friendly Fire"

I may be wrong but I think statistics show more people are shot by accident by someone they know than shoot criminals or used in protection. In fact I did read you are more likely to have the criminal shoot you with your own gun than you are to shoot him.
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Old 09-12-2004, 12:49 PM   #18
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It's well known that when everyone has big ass guns craziness goes way down.
Just look at the middle east.
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Old 09-12-2004, 12:51 PM   #19
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Old 09-12-2004, 12:53 PM   #20
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why cant you aim them? i seen on "the history of the gun" that the uzi was one of the best well rounded guns ever made.
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Old 09-12-2004, 12:55 PM   #21
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Just what this country needs most --- MORE FUCKING GUNS.
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Hey Charly,

Much of the publics perseption of "assault weapons" lies along the same lines as yours.

I don't know the exact statistics on "friendly fire" but I do have some statistics that relate to self-defense.

Firearms in private hands are used 2.5 million times each year to prevent crime, or 6,849 times per day. That includes rape, aggrevated assault, and kidnapping. Often the gun is never fired and no blood (including the criminal?s) is shed.

It's a big myth that you are more likely to be injured or killed using a gun for self defense.

In fact, you are far more likely to survive a violent assault if you defend yourself with a gun.

6% of all people who resist with a gun get hurt.
25% of all people are hurt if they do nothing at all.
40% of all people are hurt if they resist with a knife.
45% of all people are hurt if they resist in a non-violent manner.

Of course, I have all sources for these statistics upon request.
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why cant you aim them? i seen on "the history of the gun" that the uzi was one of the best well rounded guns ever made.
Any shots after the first can not be aimed in full-auto. They are completely spray & pray.
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Those are some high tech assult weapons. The AR 15 is a great gun.
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Uzi's are fucking stupid... Spray and Pray....
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Message to the morons: Crime goes DOWN when law abiding people own more guns. Crime goes UP when guns are taken away from law abiding people.

Criminals are labeled that because they are law breakers. So criminals don't give a fuck about gun laws. Laws do not stop criminals from owning guns because they do not follow the laws.

Got it fucktards?

Or do you need these facts repeated another million times before it sinks into your thick communistic skulls?
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Message to the morons: Crime goes DOWN when law abiding people own more guns. Crime goes UP when guns are taken away from law abiding people.

Criminals are labeled that because they are law breakers. So criminals don't give a fuck about gun laws. Laws do not stop criminals from owning guns because they do not follow the laws.

Got it fucktards?

Or do you need these facts repeated another million times before it sinks into your thick communistic skulls?
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Message to the morons: Crime goes DOWN when law abiding people own more guns. Crime goes UP when guns are taken away from law abiding people.

Criminals are labeled that because they are law breakers. So criminals don't give a fuck about gun laws. Laws do not stop criminals from owning guns because they do not follow the laws.

Got it fucktards?

Or do you need these facts repeated another million times before it sinks into your thick communistic skulls?
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yep its just crazy to allow assault weapons ... I'm no expert but I'd say crime goes up

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You're right, you're not an expert.

1. Not a single assault weapon was banned under this law.

2. Crime did not decrease due to this bill.
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WRONG! Automatic weapons have been illegal since the Gun Control Act of 1969. The "assault weapons ban" doesn't ban any assault weapons. It bans magazines over a certain capacity, flash suppressors, rifles with pistol grips and bayonet lugs (because of all those inner city drive by bayonettings).
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There are a few cities in the usa that REQUIRE you to own a gun
oh man . . . where do you get your info?
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It's true.

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WRONG! Automatic weapons have been illegal since the Gun Control Act of 1969. The "assault weapons ban" doesn't ban any assault weapons. It bans magazines over a certain capacity, flash suppressors, rifles with pistol grips and bayonet lugs (because of all those inner city drive by bayonettings).
You can legally own automatic weapons if you have a Class 3 firearms license.

The Assault Weapons ban banned the manufacture and importation of new guns falling with a certain number of features. All it really means is you pay $1000+ for a preban gun. The assault weapons ban actually helped a lot of people who already owned them by making their collections more valuable.

I dont want to live in a country were everyone has to carryaround a gun; I also don't want to live in a country where only the police and soldiers carry them. Enough said.
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oh man . . . where do you get your info?

hahahaha the world jackass, what he said was 100% true. I love how you're always so eager to prove yourself ignorant, I've never seen anything like it.

Here's a tip: stop talking about shit you don't understand. I've never laughed so hard as the time you were trying to explain why Bush is going such a great job with the economy, but you didn't understand the difference between the dept and the deficit.
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Other than a virility symbol I wonder why anyone would want to own an assault weapon.

No good far target shooting, hunting or what else?

What are the crime figures on guns being used in defense against shooting a family member, friend, neighbor aquaintence?

are you kidding?

I know a little 1952 russian SKS that is awesome for target shooting and I'm sure the 7.62x39 would be fine for knocking out some large animal if you were so inclined to use it in a hunting environment...



there are more deaths from recreation use of watercraft in the US than guns...why not ban those?




PS: how is it NOT a human rights issue to be able to 'defend' oneself and their family?

do these other countries appoint a 24/7 gaurd for their families?
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are you kidding?

I know a little 1952 russian SKS that is awesome for target shooting and I'm sure the 7.62x39 would be fine for knocking out some large animal if you were so inclined to use it in a hunting environment...



there are more deaths from recreation use of watercraft in the US than guns...why not ban those?




PS: how is it NOT a human rights issue to be able to 'defend' oneself and their family?

do these other countries appoint a 24/7 gaurd for their families?
Because recreational watercraft aren't designed to kill things?
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Because recreational watercraft aren't designed to kill things?

ooo, but the fact that they DO kill more things shouldn't matter?


uhmmm, yeh,,,,,okaaaay


good argument there
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Guns scare the crap out of me, but I'd never take them away from law abiding people who want to own them.

Just make sure you have trigger locks on them if you have kids - please?
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hahahaha the world jackass, what he said was 100% true. I love how you're always so eager to prove yourself ignorant, I've never seen anything like it.

Here's a tip: stop talking about shit you don't understand. I've never laughed so hard as the time you were trying to explain why Bush is going such a great job with the economy, but you didn't understand the difference between the dept and the deficit.
the dept and the deficit? WTF are you talking about? Link?

And from the article posted above:

And behind every door, in theory, is a loaded firearm awaiting anyone who dares to unlawfully enter a home

these ordinances are written so that people who object are not required to comply, and none of the current laws include fines or other penalties attached.

Not much of a law as much a statement
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why don't he saying anything else about $500,000,000,000 dollars of DEFICIT. DEFICIT people fucking wake up >>>> it is fucking not $500 mill it is $500 bill
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You must be young . . .$500 billion isn't shit, we used to have a $4 trillion deficit.

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Learn the difference between the deficit and the debt before trying to insult someone else.

Bush is trying to raise America's 7.5 trillion dollar DEBT level because of his record annual DEFICITs for the past 4 years.

You may not be young but your years haven't taught you very much.
See Baddog, in fact you never had a 4 trillion deficit. Bush's are the highest ever.

This is just another example of the many times daily you speak up about things you really don't understand.

It's ok to ask questions about shit you don't get, but for some reason you seem to look around for people making points that are in fact correct, and then insulting them with incorrect information as the basis.
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Old 09-12-2004, 05:07 PM   #43
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See Baddog, in fact you never had a 4 trillion deficit. Bush's are the highest ever.
You are right, we had a $1.4 trillion deficit under Reagan, with a $4 trillion debt
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Guns scare the crap out of me, but I'd never take them away from law abiding people who want to own them.

Just make sure you have trigger locks on them if you have kids - please?
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Old 09-12-2004, 06:03 PM   #46
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I don't see why people are uptight about the AWB expiring. All the AWB did was outlaw assault rifle replicas (not real assault rifles, despite what the media would want you to believe). It was tantamount to banning those big aluminum wings and 5" exhaust tips in order to keep Top Fuel dragsters from being driven on the street. So come tomorrow there will be a ton of replica "assault weapons" with all the cosmetic visual bells & whistles, but w/o the firepower that real assault weapons have (ie. full auto mode).
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