baddog

you do realize you are wasting your breath with this guy, right?

he thinks he knows all, and knows what is best for everyone else

fr8

Guns dont kill people. dumbass people kill people.

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I like guns but I will say that the people who use guns for burglaries and shootings dont buy them, they steal them from people trying to protect themselves. I also think that at this point its too late to start banning guns to stop the violence. The only people who would follow a law like that wouldnt do any illegal shit anyway.

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baddog

Again, another idiot best left ignored. He seems to forget that people were figuring out how to kill each other long before we had guns

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Population density.
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baddog

Guns dont kill people. bullets kill people

Sly_RJ

Of course I realize this, I just feel like being called an idiot tonight. Let's see how long it takes. Please note that I have yet to call anyone names.

Hell, they're over in Africa killing each other with machetes. Maybe we should ban guns, at least murders would be more entertaining.

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I've lived in both. They are required in the city here too. Double whammy.

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Joe Citizen

What drugs are you talking about?

Caffeine? Heroin? Pot? Penicillin?

Sly_RJ

Haha, true. Definitely depends where you live. My first week in San Diego somebody was murdered by knife a couple blocks away from me. I moved out 2 weeks later, haha.

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baddog

yes, eliminate the gun and murder does become a lot more personal

Sly_RJ

Ah, there's good and bad drugs, eh? Of course there are, but you know what I'm referring to. Should we just say recreational drugs? Cocaine, heroin, anything used for non-medicinal purposes.

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When my dad did code enforcement here he was threatened, shot at, etc. on a regular basis. His trusty handgun has saved him more times than I would care to count in my life.

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Joe Citizen

Okay, so why would the world be a better place without recreational drugs?

Sly_RJ

1. Less needle transmitted diseases.

Now I'll admit that I haven't fully researched this because frankly I just don't care, so if you have an argument for that point let me know.

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2. No families ruined by drug abusers.

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Sly_RJ

2. Less drug related deaths.

Heart problems, liver problems, and many other health related issues. Again, please post your arguments and if you're right I'll retract.

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baddog

how many families are ruined daily by the two most popular legal drugs . . nicotine and alcohol?

Joe Citizen

I don't do needles so I don't know.

I smoke pot daily and I do some chemicals on occasion (ecstasy, speed, acid).

Never harmed anyone but myself.

Joe Citizen

So alcohol and cigarettes should be illegal?

How about cheeseburgers?

Joe Citizen

Drugs don't ruin families, people ruin families.

Volantt

Why make it short, a long drawn out painful experiance followed by a slow death would suit better. IMHO

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Sly_RJ

3. Less drug related violence.

My dad is getting married soon. The sister of his fiancee was having problems with her husband. I'm not sure what was going on with the husband but he had some sort of mental breakdown. Instead of getting help, he resorted to drugs. No I don't know what kind, I'm sorry I wasn't in a position to ask.

He flipped out. Slit her throat. Then gassed himself in the garage. They left 4 children under the age of 8.

You're going to laugh at this example because sure, it isn't the perfect example of drug related violence, but drugs were involved. If you would like another example I can give you one.

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Volantt

Sorry, someone breaks into my house and does not leave when I rack my 12GA he or she (politically correct) is going to get some 00 Buck in the chest.

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Sly_RJ

No I don't think those should be illegal. But now that you changed the subject, which I knew you would, do you think knives should be banned? What about baseball bats? They're all deadly.

Why are you changing the subject? We're talking guns and drugs.

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Joe Citizen

Drugs were the symptom, not the problem.

Joe Citizen

Knives are made to cut things.

Baseball bats are designed to hit baseballs.

Guns are designed to kill people.

Volantt

Porn industry needs a lobby group. Then maybe we wouldn't have to deal with 2257. And the anti-trust, price fixing, and unfair business practices with Visa so much.

We could offer money and one hell of a "rally party" for our causes.

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stocktrader23

You've obviously never seen an "abuser" ruin a family completely. Some people can handle drugs for recreational use but there will always be some that can't.

Just answering the question.

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Sly_RJ

You don't know about diseases transferred by needles? How do you not know about things like that? Ever hear of AIDS?

That's fine man. I've never killed anyone either.

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Joe Citizen

I agree and I was just throwing that one back at you you as a joke.

You have to agree though that those that can't handle their drugs are a tiny minority.

I've never personally known someone who physically harmed another person on any drug, except alcohol.

Sly_RJ

What is heroin designed to do?

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Volantt

WORD! Responsible ownership and knowledge is a must. Hiding a gun in the sock drawer and never educating your kids on them is just a mistake waiting to happen.

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Joe Citizen

Heroin is an opiate, like morphine... it comes from opium poppies.

It's refined from a natural substance.

Like morphine, heroin is a pain killer.

Sly_RJ

Guns aren't the "problem" of murders either. Only the tool of use.

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Joe Citizen

But guns are designed to kill people... when people use them to kill others they are using guns for their original purpose.

Sly_RJ

Oh, so the only people that use heroin are in pain and trying to allieve the pain. Gotcha.

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Volantt

It is human nature for man to fight each other. Lots of people died before the invention of guns. It was just more personal, stabbing and slicing a person to death.

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Sly_RJ

Actually I'm done with this thread. I'll never agree with you and you'll never agree with me. No problem, it doesn't matter.

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stocktrader23

I've known too many. Also seen people self destruct and ruin lives abusing drugs. Those that turn around after that life can't believe what they did while high. It's like it never happened to many of them.


About the gun thing, yes it sucks when you can't feel safe outside. But the first thing anyone does when they don't feel safe is do something to protect themselves. Where I'm from a knife, mace, or a baseball bat won't do the trick because the people that are doped up and looking for a score will do ANYTHING to get your money or posessions. There are streets here that I couldn't walk down and come out alive at the other end because of my color.

Sad but true.

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germ

on the subject of drugs:

you cant lump them all together and say they should all be outlawed. i smoke weed daily, and i am one of the more mature, responsible, all around good people out there. in my opinion, weed is the only drug that should be 100% legal for recreational use. however, i think the way we go about handling drug abusers is rediculous. they arent criminals, they have a problem that needs to be helped. basically im saying we need treatment, not jailtime for those addicted severely to drugs.

now regarding the effects...drugs DO ruin lives. both those of the abuser, and of the innocent people that care about the abuser. just because you havent seen it, doesnt mean its not happening daily. all that proves is that you havent experienced much in life. drugs are NOT the problem that needs to be addressed though, the circumstances and lack of education that LEADS to drug addiction is the real issue here.

on the subject of guns:

yes guns are engineered to kill people. yes that is a bad thing. yes, if guns (advanced weapons in general) had never been invented the world would be a much better/safer place. yes if ALL the guns were to disappear tomorrow, the world would be safer.

however, thats all fairy tale bullshit. thats not going to happen, guns are here to stay. as long as people use guns to hurt innocent people, ill use one to defend myself from those people.

that just seems like the most logical thing for a man to do.

smack

Actually, Firearms were recognized as hunting arms as early as 1515, and a book (Balleates Mosetuetas y Areabuces Pablo del Fucar, Naples, 1535) on sporting firearms appeared in 1535.


so that kind of invalidates your point doesn't it?

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Tipsy

Of lot of illogical crap in this thread but then that's always good for a laugh and to be expected on this subject. However this post has to make less sense than just about any other. How on earth does that invalidate any point he made?

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germ

because the original point made was that the sole purpose of guns was to end human lives.

smack retorted the fact that guns were more than likely originally designed as hunting tools.

now can you see how that would discredit his point?

Pleasurepays

guns don't kill people.




poor people with guns kill people.

Pleasurepays

are you retarded? i hate people who defend gun ownership with ignorant remarks and backwards arguments. if you want a gun just say "fuck you, i want a gun". you will look less stupid and i least i can respect your opinion.

guns were not created to hunt animals. neither were the cannons and other varieties of weapons before them. guns in various forms existed hundreds of years before 1515 and were the product of war and warfare.

Libertine

It doesn't. Even if guns were originally developed as hunting gear (which is rather doubtful), that does not change the fact that handguns, assault rifles etc. are designed to kill people.

Think of it this way: if the original guns had been designed to kill people, would that change the fact that hunting rifles are designed to hunt?

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