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  • baddog
    So Fucking Banned
    • Apr 2001
    • 107089
    #51
    Originally posted by Sly_RJ
    Charly, here's a question for you. Why do you even care what our gun laws are?
    you do realize you are wasting your breath with this guy, right?

    he thinks he knows all, and knows what is best for everyone else

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      • fr8
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        • Mar 2003
        • 5074
        #52
        Guns dont kill people. dumbass people kill people.
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          • Zerof8
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            • Jul 2004
            • 1245
            #53
            I like guns but I will say that the people who use guns for burglaries and shootings dont buy them, they steal them from people trying to protect themselves. I also think that at this point its too late to start banning guns to stop the violence. The only people who would follow a law like that wouldnt do any illegal shit anyway.
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              • baddog
                So Fucking Banned
                • Apr 2001
                • 107089
                #54
                Originally posted by Sly_RJ
                The world would be a better place if a lot of things didn't exist.

                Your opinion is that if guns didn't exist the world would be a better place. My opinion is that if drugs didn't exist the world would be a better place.

                Here's the difference between you and me... I'll go ahead agree with you and your gun point. But you'll never agree with me on the drug issue. And that's fine, I really don't care. Differing opinions are fine with me, but I'll never wish death upon your family because of those differing opinions.
                Again, another idiot best left ignored. He seems to forget that people were figuring out how to kill each other long before we had guns

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                  • stocktrader23
                    Let's do some business.
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 18781
                    #55
                    Originally posted by CheeseFrog
                    Please explain how that is possible when Canada has more guns per capita than the US. Ironic, isn't it?
                    Population density.
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                      • baddog
                        So Fucking Banned
                        • Apr 2001
                        • 107089
                        #56
                        Originally posted by fr8
                        Guns dont kill people. dumbass people kill people.
                        Guns dont kill people. bullets kill people

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                          • Sly_RJ
                            Live Hard - Die Hard
                            • Feb 2002
                            • 17042
                            #57
                            Originally posted by baddog
                            you do realize you are wasting your breath with this guy, right?

                            he thinks he knows all, and knows what is best for everyone else
                            Of course I realize this, I just feel like being called an idiot tonight. Let's see how long it takes. Please note that I have yet to call anyone names.

                            Hell, they're over in Africa killing each other with machetes. Maybe we should ban guns, at least murders would be more entertaining.
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                              • stocktrader23
                                Let's do some business.
                                • Jan 2003
                                • 18781
                                #58
                                Originally posted by Sly_RJ
                                If you live in the sticks guns are a requirement. People from cities will never understand that, but it's true.
                                I've lived in both. They are required in the city here too. Double whammy.


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                                  • Joe Citizen
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Oct 2003
                                    • 4552
                                    #59
                                    Originally posted by Sly_RJ
                                    The world would be a better place if a lot of things didn't exist.

                                    Your opinion is that if guns didn't exist the world would be a better place. My opinion is that if drugs didn't exist the world would be a better place.

                                    Here's the difference between you and me... I'll go ahead agree with you and your gun point. But you'll never agree with me on the drug issue. And that's fine, I really don't care. Differing opinions are fine with me, but I'll never wish death upon your family because of those differing opinions.
                                    What drugs are you talking about?

                                    Caffeine? Heroin? Pot? Penicillin?

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                                      • Sly_RJ
                                        Live Hard - Die Hard
                                        • Feb 2002
                                        • 17042
                                        #60
                                        Originally posted by stocktrader23
                                        I've lived in both. They are required in the city here too. Double whammy.
                                        Haha, true. Definitely depends where you live. My first week in San Diego somebody was murdered by knife a couple blocks away from me. I moved out 2 weeks later, haha.
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                                          • baddog
                                            So Fucking Banned
                                            • Apr 2001
                                            • 107089
                                            #61
                                            Originally posted by Sly_RJ
                                            Of course I realize this, I just feel like being called an idiot tonight. Let's see how long it takes. Please note that I have yet to call anyone names.

                                            Hell, they're over in Africa killing each other with machetes. Maybe we should ban guns, at least murders would be more entertaining.
                                            yes, eliminate the gun and murder does become a lot more personal

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                                              • Sly_RJ
                                                Live Hard - Die Hard
                                                • Feb 2002
                                                • 17042
                                                #62
                                                Originally posted by Joe Citizen
                                                What drugs are you talking about?

                                                Caffeine? Heroin? Pot? Penicillin?
                                                Ah, there's good and bad drugs, eh? Of course there are, but you know what I'm referring to. Should we just say recreational drugs? Cocaine, heroin, anything used for non-medicinal purposes.
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                                                  • stocktrader23
                                                    Let's do some business.
                                                    • Jan 2003
                                                    • 18781
                                                    #63
                                                    Originally posted by Sly_RJ
                                                    Haha, true. Definitely depends where you live. My first week in San Diego somebody was murdered by knife a couple blocks away from me. I moved out 2 weeks later, haha.
                                                    When my dad did code enforcement here he was threatened, shot at, etc. on a regular basis. His trusty handgun has saved him more times than I would care to count in my life.


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                                                      • Joe Citizen
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                                                        • Oct 2003
                                                        • 4552
                                                        #64
                                                        Originally posted by Sly_RJ
                                                        Ah, there's good and bad drugs, eh? Of course there are, but you know what I'm referring to. Should we just say recreational drugs? Cocaine, heroin, anything used for non-medicinal purposes.
                                                        Okay, so why would the world be a better place without recreational drugs?

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                                                          • Sly_RJ
                                                            Live Hard - Die Hard
                                                            • Feb 2002
                                                            • 17042
                                                            #65
                                                            Originally posted by Joe Citizen
                                                            Okay, so why would the world be a better place without recreational drugs?
                                                            1. Less needle transmitted diseases.

                                                            Now I'll admit that I haven't fully researched this because frankly I just don't care, so if you have an argument for that point let me know.
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                                                              • stocktrader23
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                                                                • Jan 2003
                                                                • 18781
                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by Sly_RJ
                                                                1. Less needle transmitted diseases.

                                                                Now I'll admit that I haven't fully researched this because frankly I just don't care, so if you have an argument for that point let me know.
                                                                2. No families ruined by drug abusers.


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                                                                  • Sly_RJ
                                                                    Live Hard - Die Hard
                                                                    • Feb 2002
                                                                    • 17042
                                                                    #67
                                                                    2. Less drug related deaths.

                                                                    Heart problems, liver problems, and many other health related issues. Again, please post your arguments and if you're right I'll retract.
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                                                                      • baddog
                                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                                        • Apr 2001
                                                                        • 107089
                                                                        #68
                                                                        Originally posted by stocktrader23
                                                                        2. No families ruined by drug abusers.
                                                                        how many families are ruined daily by the two most popular legal drugs . . nicotine and alcohol?

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                                                                          • Joe Citizen
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • Oct 2003
                                                                            • 4552
                                                                            #69
                                                                            Originally posted by Sly_RJ
                                                                            1. Less needle transmitted diseases.

                                                                            Now I'll admit that I haven't fully researched this because frankly I just don't care, so if you have an argument for that point let me know.
                                                                            I don't do needles so I don't know.

                                                                            I smoke pot daily and I do some chemicals on occasion (ecstasy, speed, acid).

                                                                            Never harmed anyone but myself.

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                                                                              • Joe Citizen
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                                                                                • Oct 2003
                                                                                • 4552
                                                                                #70
                                                                                Originally posted by Sly_RJ
                                                                                2. Less drug related deaths.

                                                                                Heart problems, liver problems, and many other health related issues. Again, please post your arguments and if you're right I'll retract.
                                                                                So alcohol and cigarettes should be illegal?

                                                                                How about cheeseburgers?

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                                                                                  • Joe Citizen
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                                                                                    • Oct 2003
                                                                                    • 4552
                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    Originally posted by stocktrader23
                                                                                    2. No families ruined by drug abusers.
                                                                                    Drugs don't ruin families, people ruin families.

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                                                                                      • Volantt
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                                                                                        • Nov 2003
                                                                                        • 745
                                                                                        #72
                                                                                        Originally posted by smack
                                                                                        thanks. but it wouldn't change my feelings on guns at all.

                                                                                        but whomever did it would have one hell of a nightmare for the rest of their short lives.
                                                                                        Why make it short, a long drawn out painful experiance followed by a slow death would suit better. IMHO
                                                                                        "Only the dead have seen the end of war." - Plato
                                                                                        "In the abscence of orders, go find something and kill it." - Erwin Rommel
                                                                                        "A man's worth is no greater then the worth of his ambitions." - Marcus Aurelius

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                                                                                          • Sly_RJ
                                                                                            Live Hard - Die Hard
                                                                                            • Feb 2002
                                                                                            • 17042
                                                                                            #73
                                                                                            3. Less drug related violence.

                                                                                            My dad is getting married soon. The sister of his fiancee was having problems with her husband. I'm not sure what was going on with the husband but he had some sort of mental breakdown. Instead of getting help, he resorted to drugs. No I don't know what kind, I'm sorry I wasn't in a position to ask.

                                                                                            He flipped out. Slit her throat. Then gassed himself in the garage. They left 4 children under the age of 8.

                                                                                            You're going to laugh at this example because sure, it isn't the perfect example of drug related violence, but drugs were involved. If you would like another example I can give you one.
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                                                                                              • Volantt
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                                                                                                • Nov 2003
                                                                                                • 745
                                                                                                #74
                                                                                                Originally posted by charly
                                                                                                It's amazing how many people here think they are Bruce Willis characters.

                                                                                                A criminal comes into your house and you face him with a gun.

                                                                                                You are thinking if I shoot him I get into a lot of trouble, he's thinking if he shoots you he gets out of a lot of trouble.

                                                                                                Who do you think wins?

                                                                                                What ever you say about otherwise the statistics prove this the case by a big margin. If yoyu want to protect your home and family, get a dog and an alarm system. Again proven by facts.

                                                                                                But neither a dog or alarm will prove you to be a man.

                                                                                                As for criminals shooting people look at the statistics on non criminals, prior to the ashooting, shooting people. Scary.
                                                                                                Sorry, someone breaks into my house and does not leave when I rack my 12GA he or she (politically correct) is going to get some 00 Buck in the chest.
                                                                                                "Only the dead have seen the end of war." - Plato
                                                                                                "In the abscence of orders, go find something and kill it." - Erwin Rommel
                                                                                                "A man's worth is no greater then the worth of his ambitions." - Marcus Aurelius

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                                                                                                  • Sly_RJ
                                                                                                    Live Hard - Die Hard
                                                                                                    • Feb 2002
                                                                                                    • 17042
                                                                                                    #75
                                                                                                    Originally posted by Joe Citizen
                                                                                                    So alcohol and cigarettes should be illegal?

                                                                                                    How about cheeseburgers?
                                                                                                    No I don't think those should be illegal. But now that you changed the subject, which I knew you would, do you think knives should be banned? What about baseball bats? They're all deadly.

                                                                                                    Why are you changing the subject? We're talking guns and drugs.
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                                                                                                      • Joe Citizen
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                                                                                                        • Oct 2003
                                                                                                        • 4552
                                                                                                        #76
                                                                                                        Originally posted by Sly_RJ
                                                                                                        3. Less drug related violence.

                                                                                                        My dad is getting married soon. The sister of his fiancee was having problems with her husband. I'm not sure what was going on with the husband but he had some sort of mental breakdown. Instead of getting help, he resorted to drugs. No I don't know what kind, I'm sorry I wasn't in a position to ask.

                                                                                                        He flipped out. Slit her throat. Then gassed himself in the garage. They left 4 children under the age of 8.

                                                                                                        You're going to laugh at this example because sure, it isn't the perfect example of drug related violence, but drugs were involved. If you would like another example I can give you one.
                                                                                                        Drugs were the symptom, not the problem.

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                                                                                                          • Joe Citizen
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                                                                                                            • Oct 2003
                                                                                                            • 4552
                                                                                                            #77
                                                                                                            Originally posted by Sly_RJ
                                                                                                            No I don't think those should be illegal. But now that you changed the subject, which I knew you would, do you think knives should be banned? What about baseball bats? They're all deadly.

                                                                                                            Why are you changing the subject? We're talking guns and drugs.
                                                                                                            Knives are made to cut things.

                                                                                                            Baseball bats are designed to hit baseballs.

                                                                                                            Guns are designed to kill people.

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                                                                                                              • Volantt
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                                                                                                                • Nov 2003
                                                                                                                • 745
                                                                                                                #78
                                                                                                                Originally posted by charly
                                                                                                                A law that was widely supported by the people is about to be canned, because the money in the NRA talsk louder than the people.

                                                                                                                Goverment for the people, by the people and taking the money first.
                                                                                                                Porn industry needs a lobby group. Then maybe we wouldn't have to deal with 2257. And the anti-trust, price fixing, and unfair business practices with Visa so much.

                                                                                                                We could offer money and one hell of a "rally party" for our causes.
                                                                                                                "Only the dead have seen the end of war." - Plato
                                                                                                                "In the abscence of orders, go find something and kill it." - Erwin Rommel
                                                                                                                "A man's worth is no greater then the worth of his ambitions." - Marcus Aurelius

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                                                                                                                  • stocktrader23
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                                                                                                                    • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                    • 18781
                                                                                                                    #79
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Joe Citizen
                                                                                                                    Drugs don't ruin families, people ruin families.
                                                                                                                    You've obviously never seen an "abuser" ruin a family completely. Some people can handle drugs for recreational use but there will always be some that can't.

                                                                                                                    Just answering the question.


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                                                                                                                      • Sly_RJ
                                                                                                                        Live Hard - Die Hard
                                                                                                                        • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                        • 17042
                                                                                                                        #80
                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Joe Citizen
                                                                                                                        I don't do needles so I don't know.

                                                                                                                        I smoke pot daily and I do some chemicals on occasion (ecstasy, speed, acid).

                                                                                                                        Never harmed anyone but myself.
                                                                                                                        You don't know about diseases transferred by needles? How do you not know about things like that? Ever hear of AIDS?

                                                                                                                        That's fine man. I've never killed anyone either.
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                                                                                                                          • Joe Citizen
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                                                                                                                            • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                            • 4552
                                                                                                                            #81
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by stocktrader23
                                                                                                                            You've obviously never seen an "abuser" ruin a family completely. Some people can handle drugs for recreational use but there will always be some that can't.

                                                                                                                            Just answering the question.
                                                                                                                            I agree and I was just throwing that one back at you you as a joke.

                                                                                                                            You have to agree though that those that can't handle their drugs are a tiny minority.

                                                                                                                            I've never personally known someone who physically harmed another person on any drug, except alcohol.

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                                                                                                                              • Sly_RJ
                                                                                                                                Live Hard - Die Hard
                                                                                                                                • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                                • 17042
                                                                                                                                #82
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Joe Citizen
                                                                                                                                Knives are made to cut things.

                                                                                                                                Baseball bats are designed to hit baseballs.

                                                                                                                                Guns are designed to kill people.
                                                                                                                                What is heroin designed to do?
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                                                                                                                                  • Volantt
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                                                                                                                                    • Nov 2003
                                                                                                                                    • 745
                                                                                                                                    #83
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Sly_RJ
                                                                                                                                    Now you're being silly.

                                                                                                                                    If someone you don't know is standing in your hallway the first thing you think is "oh my, I better not hurt his pretty little tootsies, I could get in trouble!" Maybe in Europe. Maybe in Canada. Maybe in Australia. But not in the United States.

                                                                                                                                    If someone that we don't know is in our house in the United States, putting our families at risk to who knows what, we care very little about that persons health or the "consequences" we may face. We care about our families only. They come first.

                                                                                                                                    If you don't like guns, fine, thats great. Don't get one. I know plenty of girls that have been attacked, near raped, and raped while out and about. Could a gun have made those situations worse? Absolutely. Could a gun have made those situations better? Absolutely. It's all in the holder of the gun.

                                                                                                                                    I have no problems with laws requiring people to learn gun safety, background checks, etc.

                                                                                                                                    I find it interesting how people that aren't into guns always think it's about a power trip or some false sense of security. Guns are a hobby to many. They're protection to many. They're interesting to many.

                                                                                                                                    Guns are not bad. It's the irresponsible people using those guns that are bad.
                                                                                                                                    WORD! Responsible ownership and knowledge is a must. Hiding a gun in the sock drawer and never educating your kids on them is just a mistake waiting to happen.
                                                                                                                                    "Only the dead have seen the end of war." - Plato
                                                                                                                                    "In the abscence of orders, go find something and kill it." - Erwin Rommel
                                                                                                                                    "A man's worth is no greater then the worth of his ambitions." - Marcus Aurelius

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                                                                                                                                      • Joe Citizen
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                                                                                                                                        • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                                        • 4552
                                                                                                                                        #84
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Sly_RJ
                                                                                                                                        What is heroin designed to do?
                                                                                                                                        Heroin is an opiate, like morphine... it comes from opium poppies.

                                                                                                                                        It's refined from a natural substance.

                                                                                                                                        Like morphine, heroin is a pain killer.

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                                                                                                                                          • Sly_RJ
                                                                                                                                            Live Hard - Die Hard
                                                                                                                                            • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                                            • 17042
                                                                                                                                            #85
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Joe Citizen
                                                                                                                                            Drugs were the symptom, not the problem.
                                                                                                                                            Guns aren't the "problem" of murders either. Only the tool of use.
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                                                                                                                                              • Joe Citizen
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                                                                                                                                                • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                                                • 4552
                                                                                                                                                #86
                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Sly_RJ
                                                                                                                                                Guns aren't the "problem" of murders either. Only the tool of use.
                                                                                                                                                But guns are designed to kill people... when people use them to kill others they are using guns for their original purpose.

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                                                                                                                                                  • Sly_RJ
                                                                                                                                                    Live Hard - Die Hard
                                                                                                                                                    • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                                                    • 17042
                                                                                                                                                    #87
                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Joe Citizen
                                                                                                                                                    Heroin is an opiate, like morphine... it comes from opium poppies.

                                                                                                                                                    It's refined from a natural substance.

                                                                                                                                                    Like morphine, heroin is a pain killer.
                                                                                                                                                    Oh, so the only people that use heroin are in pain and trying to allieve the pain. Gotcha.
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                                                                                                                                                      • Volantt
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                                                                                                                                                        #88
                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Joe Citizen
                                                                                                                                                        Man, guns ARE bad. They are designed soley to kill human beings - and don't give me that hunting crap. Hunting is an afterthought.

                                                                                                                                                        Don't tell me the world wouldn't instantly be a better place if all the guns were suddenly to disappear.
                                                                                                                                                        It is human nature for man to fight each other. Lots of people died before the invention of guns. It was just more personal, stabbing and slicing a person to death.
                                                                                                                                                        "Only the dead have seen the end of war." - Plato
                                                                                                                                                        "In the abscence of orders, go find something and kill it." - Erwin Rommel
                                                                                                                                                        "A man's worth is no greater then the worth of his ambitions." - Marcus Aurelius

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                                                                                                                                                          • Sly_RJ
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                                                                                                                                                            • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                                                            • 17042
                                                                                                                                                            #89
                                                                                                                                                            Actually I'm done with this thread. I'll never agree with you and you'll never agree with me. No problem, it doesn't matter.
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                                                                                                                                                              • stocktrader23
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                                                                                                                                                                • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                                                                • 18781
                                                                                                                                                                #90
                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Joe Citizen
                                                                                                                                                                I agree and I was just throwing that one back at you you as a joke.

                                                                                                                                                                You have to agree though that those that can't handle their drugs are a tiny minority.

                                                                                                                                                                I've never personally known someone who physically harmed another person on any drug, except alcohol.
                                                                                                                                                                I've known too many. Also seen people self destruct and ruin lives abusing drugs. Those that turn around after that life can't believe what they did while high. It's like it never happened to many of them.


                                                                                                                                                                About the gun thing, yes it sucks when you can't feel safe outside. But the first thing anyone does when they don't feel safe is do something to protect themselves. Where I'm from a knife, mace, or a baseball bat won't do the trick because the people that are doped up and looking for a score will do ANYTHING to get your money or posessions. There are streets here that I couldn't walk down and come out alive at the other end because of my color.

                                                                                                                                                                Sad but true.


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                                                                                                                                                                    • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                                    • 3108
                                                                                                                                                                    #91
                                                                                                                                                                    on the subject of drugs:

                                                                                                                                                                    you cant lump them all together and say they should all be outlawed. i smoke weed daily, and i am one of the more mature, responsible, all around good people out there. in my opinion, weed is the only drug that should be 100% legal for recreational use. however, i think the way we go about handling drug abusers is rediculous. they arent criminals, they have a problem that needs to be helped. basically im saying we need treatment, not jailtime for those addicted severely to drugs.

                                                                                                                                                                    now regarding the effects...drugs DO ruin lives. both those of the abuser, and of the innocent people that care about the abuser. just because you havent seen it, doesnt mean its not happening daily. all that proves is that you havent experienced much in life. drugs are NOT the problem that needs to be addressed though, the circumstances and lack of education that LEADS to drug addiction is the real issue here.

                                                                                                                                                                    on the subject of guns:

                                                                                                                                                                    yes guns are engineered to kill people. yes that is a bad thing. yes, if guns (advanced weapons in general) had never been invented the world would be a much better/safer place. yes if ALL the guns were to disappear tomorrow, the world would be safer.

                                                                                                                                                                    however, thats all fairy tale bullshit. thats not going to happen, guns are here to stay. as long as people use guns to hurt innocent people, ill use one to defend myself from those people.

                                                                                                                                                                    that just seems like the most logical thing for a man to do.
                                                                                                                                                                    Last edited by germ; 09-09-2004, 10:48 PM.

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                                                                                                                                                                      • smack
                                                                                                                                                                        Push Porn Like Weight.
                                                                                                                                                                        • Mar 2002
                                                                                                                                                                        • 10652
                                                                                                                                                                        #92
                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Joe Citizen
                                                                                                                                                                        But guns are designed to kill people... when people use them to kill others they are using guns for their original purpose.
                                                                                                                                                                        Actually, Firearms were recognized as hunting arms as early as 1515, and a book (Balleates Mosetuetas y Areabuces Pablo del Fucar, Naples, 1535) on sporting firearms appeared in 1535.


                                                                                                                                                                        so that kind of invalidates your point doesn't it?
                                                                                                                                                                        Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war.

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                                                                                                                                                                          • Tipsy
                                                                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                            • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                                                            • 6989
                                                                                                                                                                            #93
                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by smack
                                                                                                                                                                            Actually, Firearms were recognized as hunting arms as early as 1515, and a book (Balleates Mosetuetas y Areabuces Pablo del Fucar, Naples, 1535) on sporting firearms appeared in 1535.


                                                                                                                                                                            so that kind of invalidates your point doesn't it?
                                                                                                                                                                            Of lot of illogical crap in this thread but then that's always good for a laugh and to be expected on this subject. However this post has to make less sense than just about any other. How on earth does that invalidate any point he made?
                                                                                                                                                                            Ignorance is never bliss.

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                                                                                                                                                                              • zvik
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                                                                                                                                                                                • Jan 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                • 696
                                                                                                                                                                                #94
                                                                                                                                                                                i had exactly that kind of m16 in the army, i don't miss it thank you very much

                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Manowar
                                                                                                                                                                                nice

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                                                                                                                                                                                  • germ
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                                                                                                                                                                                    • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                    • 3108
                                                                                                                                                                                    #95
                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Tipsy
                                                                                                                                                                                    Of lot of illogical crap in this thread but then that's always good for a laugh and to be expected on this subject. However this post has to make less sense than just about any other. How on earth does that invalidate any point he made?
                                                                                                                                                                                    because the original point made was that the sole purpose of guns was to end human lives.

                                                                                                                                                                                    smack retorted the fact that guns were more than likely originally designed as hunting tools.

                                                                                                                                                                                    now can you see how that would discredit his point?

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                                                                                                                                                                                      • Pleasurepays
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                                                                                                                                                                                        • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                        • 11913
                                                                                                                                                                                        #96
                                                                                                                                                                                        guns don't kill people.




                                                                                                                                                                                        poor people with guns kill people.

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                                                                                                                                                                                          • Pleasurepays
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                                                                                                                                                                                            • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                            • 11913
                                                                                                                                                                                            #97
                                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by smack
                                                                                                                                                                                            Actually, Firearms were recognized as hunting arms as early as 1515, and a book (Balleates Mosetuetas y Areabuces Pablo del Fucar, Naples, 1535) on sporting firearms appeared in 1535.


                                                                                                                                                                                            so that kind of invalidates your point doesn't it?
                                                                                                                                                                                            are you retarded? i hate people who defend gun ownership with ignorant remarks and backwards arguments. if you want a gun just say "fuck you, i want a gun". you will look less stupid and i least i can respect your opinion.

                                                                                                                                                                                            guns were not created to hunt animals. neither were the cannons and other varieties of weapons before them. guns in various forms existed hundreds of years before 1515 and were the product of war and warfare.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              • Libertine
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                                                                                                                                                                                                • May 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                                • 17860
                                                                                                                                                                                                #98
                                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by germ
                                                                                                                                                                                                because the original point made was that the sole purpose of guns was to end human lives.

                                                                                                                                                                                                smack retorted the fact that guns were more than likely originally designed as hunting tools.

                                                                                                                                                                                                now can you see how that would discredit his point?
                                                                                                                                                                                                It doesn't. Even if guns were originally developed as hunting gear (which is rather doubtful), that does not change the fact that handguns, assault rifles etc. are designed to kill people.

                                                                                                                                                                                                Think of it this way: if the original guns had been designed to kill people, would that change the fact that hunting rifles are designed to hunt?
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • evildick
                                                                                                                                                                                                    #99
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by stocktrader23

                                                                                                                                                                                                    No former slaves with a hate towards the man.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    You musn't have met any Canadian Indians yet. They weren't slaves, but they've got plenty of hate.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Matt 26z
                                                                                                                                                                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Apr 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • 18481
                                                                                                                                                                                                        #100

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