I reread your first post. Nice complete change of story.

Bro, take a second and think about where I'm posting this message. I'm not trying to get in good with anyone here at GFY.

Do you honestly believe that if I was to write for a major corporation that I would simply write what I fell gets the point across? Fuck no...

This is GFY. You're wasting your time trying to be gramatically correct here.

Oh my, I'm starting to see where this is going to be one of those endlessly one-sided debates.

Hint: you're not winning.

I refer to education mainly in this guys case. He is working for someone else, he is not independant. So why waste your time working for someone else and barely making a decent living? Why not invest a little time and effort into trying to climb the ladder?

Of course you don't need a degree to start your own business, but this guy is not starting his own business.

Yeah, I can't imagine being 45+ and making the kind of wages these guys pull down. I'm 20, and easily pull down more than 30k a year working 2 hours a day from home - I can't imagine how hard it must be making the same amount at 45, having to support a family, and working at a shitty dead end job.

Uh-oh...you better edit your post, people are going to start bashing in you a minute.

You can easily tell this guy has two major issues that will hurt him in life.

1. You can't lie well. Changed his whole story to try and look better, yet made himself look worse. You can be a very successful person if you lie well. If you lie bad, you will worse off if you never did.

2. You has a huge ego that he is better than most, yet he has nothing to back it up.

I feel sad for guys like this.

How do you know?

Maybe he is an Amway Diamond and works there so he can network to find more people for his food chain?

You will never get it. Reread your post and compare against people that even agree with your opinion. Maybe if you read it enough, you will understand why you are getting bashed.

I don't have a huge ego. I never stated that I'm better then this person.

My entire point of this thread was that if you're going to work for someone for ten + years, make something out of it instead of always taking shit from managers who keep changing every five years.

I'm happy seeing lots of people working what you call "dead end jobs."

It is those people who need porn to liven up their lives, not to mention the fact that if everyone were thinking like us then every twit and his dog would be running pay sites, free sites, doing design, writing, posting their foolishness on GFY etc etc et-fucking-cetera.

These "idiots with no dreams and no lives" as you brainiacs are calling them are surfers. Last time I checked we need more of them.

BTW....Those retail sales jobs that I had paid me a base salary plus commissions. My commissions alone gave me close to a 6 figure income for 2 of those jobs.

One of them was at a chain of national electronic stores....Similar to what you would find in the TV department at Sears.

Lies...I make 32k per year..and they have benefits :glugglug

Human beings are communal creatures, a condition which is only sustainable if the majority are content to be followers.

Even if we were not genetically programmed this way, imagine the chaos if everyone refused to do the mundane, even unpleasant jobs. Society needs ditch diggers more than it needs entrepreneurs.

At least you hinted that there were other values in life. For example, none of my father's pleasures in life had any connection with his work. Although he was a successful lawyer, he had very little ambition and didn't much enjoy his job. He left all thoughts of the office behind when he left each evening. But he was active in all sorts of areas from politics to gardening and who is to say he should have made other choices?

Nothing in my 30 minute conversation with him gave me the idea that he owned his own business, or even had plans to one day open his own business.

He knew a lot about TV's, and that was it. But you never know -- he could be networking for his pyramid...

I will put it this way, and maybe you can understand.

When you move out of mommy and daddies house, and have to make ends meet...then comeback and comment. See, right now you have all the time to do whatever you want...you can fail, and still have a house to live under and food to eat. Someone that has to make ends meet themselves and/or has a family to support doesn't have that luxury all the time.

Ahhh..to be an ignorant youngster again.

Talk is very cheap.

hahah didnt u post a pic of someone elses ferrari...

you should put a fucking bullet in your head.

you dont know that guys situation and to make a comment like that makes you sound like a complete dumbass.

like aaron said he could be using that bullshit job as a means of gathering prospects or downlines for an MLM or some shit.

or he could be a webmaster or hustling or something else making a killing and keeping that side job for the benefits.

why would u make such a stupid comment about someone like that?

I honestly don't believe this guy is having a blast making ends meet for his family. I believe that he is struggling very hard to bring in a paycheck.

Afterall, this person works for each paycheck. What happens if he is unable to work for a month? Sure, he'll get his two weeks of sick-pay, but after that? His family is left in the cold...

He is not doing what's best for his family. Sure, he's trying to make them money, but is he trying hard enough?

If he was making good enough money hustling or webmastering then I'm sure he could afford his own benefits..

So you do live with mommy and daddy still. As I said, you have no room to talk yet then.

Do you realize unfortunately most that support a family don't have a blast doing what they are doing? Is he supposed to quit his job and go back to school? How will his family survive?

Your comeback was a complete contradiction.

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Second of all, define success.

That's what I was going to say. I knew a guy working the night shift at Timmies while working on his dentistry license or whatever it's called during the days. He came from another country and his license wasn't valid here, so he had to go back to school...

No i don't live with 'mommy and daddy'...and after a certain age, you call them Mom and Dad, or mother and father..mommy and daddy is what children use.

He should have made an effort to achieve something before he turned 45 and started a family.

It's not fun for your kids to grow up in a household that is poor because of a selfish decision your parents make.

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Lawrence Ellison

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Residence: Redwood Shores, CA, United States
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Marital Status: divorced , 2 children
University of Illinois, Drop Out

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Do you want me to keep going down the list?
Cause according to your theory none of these ppl should be successful today because they dont have a "degree".

Does this have ANYTHING to do with this sales person at Sears? He is not making 21 bil a year. He is not making the effort.

I thought you said you weren't judging the guy and thinking you're better than him? Now here you are judging the guy and insinuating that you're better than him.


Dood, you are not better than him, you are much much worse than him.

Now go realize your dreams.

im willing to bet you are someone who is broke with alot of ideas.

just drop it already. he may be happy where he is. if you feel this bad about it why do you offer to help pay for college classes so he can get a degree and make the big bucks?

Ok, maybe I was a little harsh in my post in calling them dead end jobs. I do have respect for people that work jobs like this, I guess I just can't ever imagine myself doing something like that - not that there is anything wrong with it. Its just not for me :2 cents:

That has everything to do with what you said.

..my point about education is this: A person with a degree is more likely to be successfull in the long run compared to a high school graduate.

Through this logic no one without a degree should be that rich.

Yeah, and the guy that took my order at McDonalds today is working there to pick up chicks :Graucho

Because Sears will happily pay his tuition if he decided to go to College. That is one of the benefits that he recieves.

He has the choice.

I was simply commenting on someone elses reply...I was simply saying that he could have made the effort when he was young. If saying what this person could have done is judging him, then you win.

At least he has a job.... could be on welfare or something that would be much worse :Graucho

Perhaps you should back up and read Rochards reply prior to posting this. :1orglaugh

I'm going to bed. Enough of this endless arguing.

Worse? You mean like a Studio Cash sig whore? :glugglug

for the record i am 39 years old. maybe my age shows because of the stress and immense effort i put into building my side buisnesses. if you sir would gladly come back tomorrow, i will be more than happy to show you some of my ibill and stats remote screen shots. maybe i will be nice and forgive your disrespectfullness and give you a discount on your beautiful new 13 inch tv