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Old 05-27-2001, 09:35 PM   #1
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Do you think I can make it to heaven if I run a porn site?

I truly hope God will forgive me for running an adult site and will let me enter his kingdom of heaven. Amen!!!
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Old 05-27-2001, 09:56 PM   #2
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I don't believe in heaven or hell, it's just not logical. For some reason I think that when we die, it's like falling asleep and never waking up, and not realizing you are asleep.



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Old 05-27-2001, 09:59 PM   #3
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You know I once had some fun of my own a few years ago spamming some Starcraft Battl.net forums under the alias of Rice_Eater

I've changed my ways and quit fucking around with people but just something I remember....

BTW I think God is understanding and as long as you do what you do honorably you'll be fine.

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Old 05-27-2001, 10:04 PM   #4
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I know what you mean Kush, i'm a young guy like yourself (19). It's just sometimes I feel that I shouldn't be doing this, and that there are other ways to earn some money. I just don't like the idea of working at a fast food restaurant to pay off my tuitions.
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Porn is just a glorification of and appreciation for beauty, love, pleasure, and cum -- a true celebration of God and His creation. Amen to that brother.

Maybe I'm being a little sarcastic... If you believe in God just because you want to go to heaven -- porn is really the least of your problems. Your perception of heaven and hell is limited to your ability to associate these words w/ your library of references to these "places" or states of being -- and those references mean nothing w/o the feelings that you have attributed to them. So the answer is yes, you will make it to heaven -- but only I know how to get there -- you have to pay me $1000 cash -- and I will reveal to you the secret path to eternal and supreme extacy.

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Old 05-27-2001, 10:15 PM   #6
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Sounds good pete, can I pay you thru Paypal?
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Old 05-27-2001, 10:20 PM   #7
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I tell you this, if you wanna know what god thinks about money and sex, just look at the people he gives it too ...

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Old 05-27-2001, 10:25 PM   #8
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Old 05-27-2001, 10:29 PM   #9
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That doesn't mean anything Wizdom... he loves us so much that he is willing to let us make our own decisions. What would the world be if he makes the decisions for us? would we have to wake up everyday and go to work? would I sit my ass on here and make porn galleries? of course not. It's just the decisions we make in this lifetime we someday come back and haunt us.

Ps- and for those of you who don't believe in god. OPEN YOUR EYES
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I've spoken to The Almighty on this matter and he says it's very unlikely you'll be allowed to enter His kingdom. Running a porn site is a step in the right direction though.
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Old 05-27-2001, 10:36 PM   #11
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Ricemaster,
About the flipping burghers vs. running porn site thing, hell yeah I choose porn sites. For people our age who've got at least half a functioning brain and like running their on show it's the way to go...

Plus you can make more with less work and do it whenever you please.

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Old 05-27-2001, 10:36 PM   #12
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I don't believe in God. I'm an agnostic (not convinced He exists, but my mind could be changed) and atheist (until I'm convinced, I don't believe).

It strike me that if you are seriously worried about this, you might want to pursue a career which you find more comfortable.

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Old 05-27-2001, 10:40 PM   #13
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I'll accept cash only --
or oral sex without a condom.

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Old 05-27-2001, 10:43 PM   #14
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I see that you're a skeptic guy, would you believe if he appear right before your eyes? What would you say to those millions of people in the world who have never seen him but yet still come to believe. And you are definitely right, I will be working on something else, something more comfortable and I should be up next week, and I will let you guys know what it is, and i'll be looking forward to redirecting all my porn traffic to it.
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Old 05-27-2001, 10:48 PM   #15
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You are going to hell...just get used to it
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Belief is to "accept as true or real" -- which is easy to do. I can teach a parrot to believe in God in that case. If a God exists -- I think you should attempt to "know" God -- which would involve identifying a physical sensation... that you associated w/ something that you did that you considered God-ly or God-like -- thus associating that *feeling* with God or your perception of what God is to you -- a physical sensation is our only way to perceive our existance... language is only our interpretation of our physical sensations -- even if we had some way to sense the "spiritual" -- it could only be identified by us through a physical sensation. If you say "God" that may or may not make you feel a certain way -- but it has no meaning whatsoever unless you feel something when you say the word -- however subtle that may be.
Anyway that's my problem w/ the Bible and religion -- it's just a bunch or words -- and people forget what words really are -- if you're deaf and blind -- does that mean that you are going to hell because you don't understand what "Jesus Christ" means? It seems unlikely that a God would depend so heavily on something as trivial as a book...

If we burned every bible on the planet, would God cease to exist? No I don't think so -- which proves to me that, if God exists, we don't need the bible or organized religion to reach God.

Maybe I had too much shitty wine ;) haha Damn I got a HUGE 1.5L bottle of wine at Costco for only $4.50!

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Old 05-28-2001, 01:06 AM   #17
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I see that you're a skeptic guy, would you believe if he appear right before your eyes? What would you say to those millions of people in the world who have never seen him but yet still come to believe. And you are definitely right, I will be working on something else, something more comfortable and I should be up next week, and I will let you guys know what it is, and i'll be looking forward to redirecting all my porn traffic to it.
It's not really that easy, Rice_Master. He would have to be a lot more than just apparent in front of me. He'd have to be pretty convincing. Of course, if he's truly God, being omnipotent, he could convince anyone, right?

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Um, if there is a God, and if this planet is a product of God, I'm not impressed.

For Bill Hicks fans:
A conversation between Bill and a bible thumper...
"I have a question for all you bible thumpers out there. It's a one word question. (pause) Dinosaurs?
I've read the bible and not one time did they mention dinosaurs."

"uh, God put dinosaurs all over the planet to test our faith."

"So he's a prankster God."

He goes on to ask what happens when your standing at the gate with Peter and he asks if you believed in Dinosaurs.
"Well, yeah, I mean we found bones and everything".
Peter - "No, those were there to test your faith you idiot, sorry, you're going to hell!
A trap door opens, and you fall down to hell.

And of course my favorite quote is from George Carlin:
"Organized religion has people convinced there is an invisible man..."


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Thermodynamics of Hell

The following is an actual exam question given on a
University of Washington chemistry mid term. The answer by one student was so 'profound' that the professor shared it with colleagues, via the Internet, which is, of course, why we now have the pleasure of enjoying it as well.

Bonus Question: Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic (absorbs heat)?

Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle's Law, (gas cools off when it expands and heats up when it is compressed) or some variant. One student however, wrote the following:

"First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time. So we need to know the rate that souls are moving into Hell and the rate they are leaving. I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving.

As for how many souls are entering Hell, lets look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Some of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to Hell. Since there are more than one of these religions and since people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that most souls go to Hell. With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially.

Now we look at the rate of change of the volume in Hell because Boyle's Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay the same, the volume of Hell has to expand proportionately as souls are added.

This gives two possibilities:

1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase until all Hell breaks loose.

2. If Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell freezes over.

So which is it?

If we accept the postulate given to me by Teresa during my Freshman year, '...that will be a cold day in Hell before I sleep with you.', and take into account the fact that I still have not succeeded in having that event take place, then, #2 cannot be true...

and thus I am sure that Hell is exothermic and will not freeze."

The student received the only "A" given.
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God is the ultimate soul, but what are souls other than ghosts? Philosophers have called the soul "the ghost in the machine" (the machine being the corporeal body). How a ghost controls a machine is an interesting question, which is why there are very few dualist philosophers. Most believe either that everything is ghostly (spirit, idea) or everything is material (matter, solid stuff).

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Thanks for defining material. For a second, I thought material meant cloth.
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We are entertaining people

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First off, I'd like to say that it's god who said forgive thy neighbor.

So isn't it an oxymoron that you go to hell for sinning?? I'm from a religous family, not religous myself, but I never really understood that.

I'm also you age. My last job was at a fast food restaurant. It sucked. Long hours, crappy pay. Now I can do this. Just because you only have a high school education doesn't mean that you can't perform a job any more sophisticated than flipping burgers. Society is basically asking us to be porn providers
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We need Jesus's (DiabeticRage) to comment on this post. Jesus, what does your father tell you?
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I'd like to say that it's god who said forgive thy neighbor.

I don't know. I never thought of God as my neighbor.


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I see you are selling your sites. Wouldn't God want you to simply shut them down rather than profiting from them?

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Old 05-28-2001, 11:12 AM   #29
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I am not selling the site my son, I am simply redirecting the traffic to a better cause. For me to sell the site would just be a stupid thing to do because the one who buy it will profit from it thus providing pornagraphy to this world, it would make no more or less of a difference. By me doing this, it would make one less webmaster in this world, which is a start.

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[Band i'll be looking forward to redirecting all my porn traffic to it.[/B]
You need to remember that "traffic" you're talking about is actually people who are looking for porn. I mean I could send a few thousand people to amazon.com, but I doubt they'd buy much. If you've got the idea that you're going to make them see the error of their ways, you might be crazy as a loon.

Let me try to help you come to terms with porn, so you can make a little dough. The whole Xian idea of "sex being evil" didn't come about until the middle ages with Pope Augustine. The bible doesn't really have much in it about sex. Also don't forget that Jesus said anyone that asks to be saved will be and the only things that will keep you out of heaven is hatred in your heart or being rich.

Porn is nothing like hate, just don't get rich doing it and you're fine.

For the record, I'm an athiest.
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Rice-Master...

All you starting trouble again?

If you use DiabeticRage's "Jesus Dialer" on your site...Jesus would be happy, and grant you Eternal Life.

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Hmm. I think I was just reacing to the phrase "I'm selling my sites" under your handl in your posts. Sorry.

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Porn helps men masturbate. After they masturbate, they want to sleep or at least rest. Thus, pornography reduces the incidence of rape rather than increasing it.

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I believe in heaven & hell.

And I doubt because I am in the online porn biz that God will punish me or not let me in Heaven.

It might be MORALLY wrong. But we are not hurting others.

Example: A girl that has a kid needs money to feed her baby or its going to die. So she sells her body for one night for a quick $100 . Morally that might be wrong, but she did it to save her baby's life. God will see the positive in that.

Most of us like to build webpages because its a hobby and/or an interest. And porn sells!!! So building porn webpages isnt that bad.

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So if it's MORALLY wrong, then why do it? There are always other ways to make money, and porn doesn't have to be the only way. Sure enough it's easy to some of us, but would you really want your kids to know what you're doing when they ask. Would you want to go with your kids to a show and tell and have them talk about your jobs to all their friends and teacher? I think not! When I have kids, I want them to be proud of me. I think they would rather me having an ordinary job and making ends meet, rather then be wealthy rich and running porn sites for a living.

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You gave us the case about a mother selling her body for one night so she could feed her baby. You are right, it is morally wrong, but there is also a positive side to that, which is to save her baby. And god will see the positive in that, but what will God see the positive in porn?
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Well, i dont know if there is any "positive" in porn other than we all learn something every day from working in the biz. Like more HTML and etc.

I dont think porn is a bad thing nor a good thing. I'm not god so i cant say what would piss him off or whatever.LOL

The example I gave in my last post kinda represets me in a way;
I cant get a "real job" because of lack of transportation. So, I am a Cam Girl online.(and make porn sites too). It can be viewed as "Wrong" to some people. But to me, I am just masterbating (which i do anyways) for men for pleasure and in return I get paid (very well). So that I can get a car and continue with my college & become successful in the career I want

For me, the whole porn biz is a "stepping stone" for me to achive my higher goals.
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I figure that if there is a god, he/she is probably pretty smart

I figure, jerry falwell, jim and tammy baker and the like will be waaay far behind me in the line

and coming on the wake of the day the pope apologized for (the catholic church) assisting in the massacre of jews in poland

and of course all the religious schools where young boys were sexually assaulted year after year by the staff...

the list goes on...

but if there are people who are going to hell, maybe these folks are gonna be first in line despite the fact they "say" they believe in god
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So why did you start doing it? Is building traffic then sending it elsewhere better than porn, isn't that lying?

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It might be MORALLY wrong. But we are not hurting others.
That's silly, Babagirls. Don't confuse social acceptance with morality. Tobacco hurts others, but most people don't thing it's morally wrong. I don't know whether it is or isn't, but if I make my money turning people on or making them die - I'll pick the first one.

Just because your average old lady thinks porn is immoral doesn't make it so.

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Love thy neighbour, unless they're a different religion, then kill the suckers in the name of god

for sure, you'll go to heaven for cleansing the earth of the rif raff
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Old 05-29-2001, 01:01 AM   #42
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Ah, religion. Years ago (many years) when I lived in Ohio, there was a major local evangelist preacher who used his church's wealth to buy a chain of burger stands. Someone quipped that he should rename them "Burger King of Kings."

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Old 05-29-2001, 01:03 AM   #43
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I truly hope God will forgive me for running an adult site and will let me enter his kingdom of heaven. Amen!!!
Well, this is the same God who lets cars run children down, lets single mothers die of cancer, lets World Wars happen, etc.

Guess what? You are TOAST!!!

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Old 05-29-2001, 01:20 AM   #44
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I think God (he/she) is having a blast reading this post...and will open the doors open wide for you when you get to heaven

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Old 05-29-2001, 01:35 AM   #45
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Ok let's asume for a minute that only the "good" folks go to heaven, liek the pope and other very religious people.

Do you realy want to be there????

I don't I'd rather go to hell I bet the people in there are much more interesting then those religious ones in heaven. I mean damn they are allready stiff so being dead come snatural to those *LOL*

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Old 05-29-2001, 12:39 PM   #46
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Don't you ever read what I wrote. I told you earlier that God loves us so much that he gives us the will and power to choose over good and evil, and everything you do in your life will be judge on it.

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I sure hope to, and one day me and you will have lunch up in heaven with many beautiful women

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Don't say what you don't mean my wolfy. We all want to get to heaven, I don't think I met a single person in my life who said they would choos hell over heaven. Be brave my son!!!
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Old 05-29-2001, 12:53 PM   #47
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They say when a person dies or an event happens good or bad that it's "gods will" By that logic does it not mean that my running a porn site is "gods will" as well.

But let me throw another question in the pot:

If Adam and Eve were the first two people, and they had 2 sons. Does that mean we were all born of incest?

I know many will say they walked over the hill and into town or I'm taking the writings too literaly.

But the same can be said about Noah. The world was destroyed and the only ones left to procreate were family members on a cruise........see we're back to incest again.



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Old 05-29-2001, 01:07 PM   #48
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My 2 cents.

Try reading Genesis and Exodus for some very interesting sexual material. Many of the men back then had several wives, some even handmaidens, etc. as lovers to be fruitful and multiply. I have a hard time believing that they didn't enjoy it too.

I struggle with this one also. I have walked a path for many years that treats sexuality as something normal, natural and healthy.

Lately though, I saw some tapes by a man www.drdino.com that is a science teacher that is now a creation evangalist that has some extremely convincing evidence that the earth is only 6,000 years old and was created by a "God." Check out his site, there are hundreds of places where they have found human and dinosaur footprints in the same mud! This shows that dinosaurs were alive when humans were on the planet. His theory is that the dinosaurs were killed by the flood.

It is REALLY interesting. Being a scientific person, I finally had a lot of stuff explained in a way that I could not only understand it, but believe it.

Soooo what about porn? Well, I admit I have started doing more AVS sites, less out there free. More softcore, less hardcore. It probably is morally wrong. But you know what?

I'm not forcing anyone to look at it. If I stop posting it, that doesn't mean models are going to stop posing, and photographers will stop shooting pictures. I try to be tasteful (as much as I can). With the exception of maybe causing a jealous wife or girlfried, who am I harming? I try to speak kindly to people.

Jesus was a rebel. He accepted Gentiles into his belief, something that no-one did at the time. One of his best friends/converts was a prostitute. He preached a very simple message of "believe." I feel he might not like what we are doing, but he is still forgiving and loving of us anyway. At least I hope so.

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Old 05-29-2001, 01:09 PM   #49
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Alien, you're trying to make sense of a book that doesn't really make sense.

Rice Master, don't make me smite ya!
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Old 05-29-2001, 01:56 PM   #50
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If you don't want to go with the incest angle, you could always suggest that Adam & Eve children mated with apes.

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