DRM Solutions? VidLock Anyone? - GoFuckYourself.com

Keev · 09-01-2004, 12:41 AM

I have been digging around and researching all the various drm solutions out there... I don't want to have to host the files that are to be protected on some 3rd party server...

VidLock offers a service based on liceanses your able to give out....

I am curious what solutions anyone might have experience with... ?

Suggestions? Experiences? Good, Bad Indifferent?

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 09-01-2004, 12:42 AM

Ya talk to Tucker yet bro?

Crypt · 09-01-2004, 12:43 AM

PlayaDRM

johndoebob · 09-01-2004, 12:44 AM

DRM sucks and most paysite members don't / won't like it.It's just good for VOD.

Crypt · 09-01-2004, 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by johndoebob
DRM sucks and most paysite members don't / won't like it.It's just good for VOD.

There is more utility than protect members area with drm ;)

Keev · 09-01-2004, 01:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by johndoebob
DRM sucks and most paysite members don't / won't like it.It's just good for VOD.

Sometimes you cant please the freeloading society...

Are you here to make money or give it away.... ?

johndoebob · 09-01-2004, 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Keev
Sometimes you cant please the freeloading society...

Are you here to make money or give it away.... ?

When everybody knows that your site uses DRM you'll have less signups.

It just makes sense if you exessivly offer cheap trials.

Also you can't find content of most paysites on P2P.

I rather go into the user friendly direction , but each to it's own.

Keev · 09-01-2004, 07:16 AM

experiences please,.... anyone else have some input on drm solutions and how your experiences went?

notjoe · 09-01-2004, 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Crypt
There is more utility than protect members area with drm ;)

Translate this to english my friend

mattyboy · 09-01-2004, 07:28 AM

If you have good quality exclusive content, DRM works.

Crypt · 09-01-2004, 07:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by notjoe
Translate this to english my friend

ok pas de probleme ;)

TheWildcard · 09-01-2004, 07:35 AM

www.drm.com

webair · 09-01-2004, 07:36 AM

http://www.webairdrm.com

tucker · 09-01-2004, 11:59 AM

Why people say they lose money by using DRM is beyond me. I think it comes from a lack of understanding or use. Our clients make MORE using it so I am confused about this.

I am going to start a series of helpful tips to get everyone more familiar and encourage you to try it out, even in a small way for free to get your feet wet.

Lets call this the ?IN DA / ON DA? Project

DRM USE #1 ? IN DA MEMBERS AREA
Let us take a members area for example; lets say that your members only get to watch the videos WHETHER OR NOT they are online for their membership period. If they don?t renew they cannot watch the movies anymore but are offered a rejoin the site offer at a discounted rate or some other up sell. You could also let them continue to watch the movies but then pop them to up sell offers every time. That is friendly, it says pay to play. You can?t walk into an arcade and not pay to play video games, why should it be any different on the net?

Next topics will include On Da free sites, On Da front ends, and Da viral marketing piece.

More to come.

seeric · 09-01-2004, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by johndoebob
DRM sucks and most paysite members don't / won't like it.It's just good for VOD.

wrong.

60% dont even know its there. we haven't had one compaint about DRM from consumers. DRM is the future for all producers and site owners who want to protect their content.

the only minor problems we have had are consumers who have not updtaed their media player. as soon as thedo, its not a problem.

use DRM or get butt raped by your members when they steal your shit and put it all over the p2p and god knows where else.

TheJimmy · 09-01-2004, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Crypt
There is more utility than protect members area with drm ;)

Keev · 09-01-2004, 12:14 PM

Keep talking tucker.... Or hit me on icq... 104463163

mountainmiester · 09-01-2004, 01:07 PM

Haven't we been in this thread before, and before? Ditto to what Jason said and moreover, we usually see higer conversion rates with pay per view sites than with members sites.

As far as who? You need to first consider what you need this to do and why. Then contact the providers out there and see how close their solution is to your business model. Playa and DRM Networks have been doing this for some time and have many great features. In many ways we're the same and in other way we are not.

What is important is that we are all advocates of this technology, not so much as a business for ourselves but to change the way we view content. Anyone engaged in this will agree that this is the future of content distribution so the question is, which direction do you think it will go?

Manowar · 09-01-2004, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Crypt
PlayaDRM

FiReC · 09-01-2004, 01:24 PM

What happens if the liscense server goes down?

Kimmykim · 09-01-2004, 01:33 PM

Tucker's right.

DRM can be a seamless process to your members on the front end, it also works very well for satisfying the cross indexing requirements required in the new 2257 compliance proposals.

The only time the consumer realizes there is DRM in place is if they are not authorized to watch the content because they either didn't pay for it to begin with or they haven't continued to pay per the DRM specs that you create when you wrap the content.

DRM is NOT about protecting content. Yes, that's an added benefit to the whole process, but at the end of the day DRM offers you the chance to continue marketing to consumers that want to utilize your content but don't want to pay for it. And it gives you the opportunity to create new members, either to your members area, or for specific content they are trying to watch, once again, on your specs for your content.

DRM also allows you to produce trailers and other promotional materials that surfers can view, then giving them the option to purchase memberships or more content from you after they've decided they like your content.

Saying that surfers don't like it is pointless. Surfers don't like to pay period. You increase the chances of a surfer paying you money -- one last time, with parameters YOU set -- and thus you make MORE money, not less.

For instance, you've got a surfer who joined your site and cancelled during his first month. He happens to like one episode or one movie in particular from your site, once he has cancelled, you don't have to charge him a full months membership if he doesn't want to pay that in order to watch one episode, you can sell him that episode alone for a month or a set number of plays, or for life if you want.

This is a situation where the pros far outweigh the cons.

Kimmykim · 09-01-2004, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FiReC
What happens if the liscense server goes down?

That would depend on how you had your license process set up. If you were doing a traditional member area where they access the content for 30 days, the license acquisition process occurs only on the 31st day of their membership to see if they still exist in your db.

If you are doing VOD, then it would pose problems until it came back up.

MikeHawk · 09-01-2004, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Keev
Sometimes you cant please the freeloading society...

Are you here to make money or give it away.... ?

Keev, Exactly!
That old bullshit thinking needs to be thrown out with the 1.95 trick the surfer shit....old biz...

DRM is working great on our systems and we are seeing the pay per view and rejoin part of that starting to work for the members areas of our sites!

Kimmykim · 09-01-2004, 01:50 PM

MikeHawk, you and I need to talk one day next week -- I'm just down the PCH from you in Venice, and I take Topanga Cyn home every day I go to the Valley --

tucker · 09-01-2004, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mountainmiester
Haven't we been in this thread before, and before? Ditto to what Jason said and moreover, we usually see higer conversion rates with pay per view sites than with members sites.

As far as who? You need to first consider what you need this to do and why. Then contact the providers out there and see how close their solution is to your business model. Playa and DRM Networks have been doing this for some time and have many great features. In many ways we're the same and in other way we are not.

What is important is that we are all advocates of this technology, not so much as a business for ourselves but to change the way we view content. Anyone engaged in this will agree that this is the future of content distribution so the question is, which direction do you think it will go?

Exactly! Its about education and making it work for you instead of the other way around.

OY · 09-01-2004, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim
Tucker's right.

DRM can be a seamless process to your members on the front end, it also works very well for satisfying the cross indexing requirements required in the new 2257 compliance proposals.

The only time the consumer realizes there is DRM in place is if they are not authorized to watch the content because they either didn't pay for it to begin with or they haven't continued to pay per the DRM specs that you create when you wrap the content.

DRM is NOT about protecting content. Yes, that's an added benefit to the whole process, but at the end of the day DRM offers you the chance to continue marketing to consumers that want to utilize your content but don't want to pay for it. And it gives you the opportunity to create new members, either to your members area, or for specific content they are trying to watch, once again, on your specs for your content.

DRM also allows you to produce trailers and other promotional materials that surfers can view, then giving them the option to purchase memberships or more content from you after they've decided they like your content.

Saying that surfers don't like it is pointless. Surfers don't like to pay period. You increase the chances of a surfer paying you money -- one last time, with parameters YOU set -- and thus you make MORE money, not less.

For instance, you've got a surfer who joined your site and cancelled during his first month. He happens to like one episode or one movie in particular from your site, once he has cancelled, you don't have to charge him a full months membership if he doesn't want to pay that in order to watch one episode, you can sell him that episode alone for a month or a set number of plays, or for life if you want.

This is a situation where the pros far outweigh the cons.

As if I said it myself!

PS. Playa DRM owns the industry in terms of price and functionalities.... hands down

tucker · 09-01-2004, 02:39 PM

Kimmy is 100% correct and she is speaking from experience, not from theory. Whatever you model, there are ways to make it work for you the way YOU want it to.

VOD - simple, easy to set up and can be done with the same files you currently have in your members areas. Offer them as individual plays or from access to the entire site.

What about giving away the content and then capturing back the traffic. I will write an step by step on this over the weekend. I wrote a piece a few years ago that AVN and a few others published and we ran it on our old DRMDaily site.

http://drmdaily.com/DigitalFeedback_Article.asp?ID=1001

It may or may not spark some ideas.

To be continued on that....

As a continue to ramble, I would inject this...TRY IT OUT, it will not cost you anything to try it out. Let me show you what we know and see if together we can get you rolling full steam or even half steam.

Even if you are using another provider, give me a shout, I am on ICQ 15 hours a day (254 33 4), I may be able to help you improve your model without having you switch providers.

Let me know, I am here.

OY · 09-01-2004, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by A1R3K
wrong.

60% dont even know its there. we haven't had one compaint about DRM from consumers. DRM is the future for all producers and site owners who want to protect their content.

the only minor problems we have had are consumers who have not updtaed their media player. as soon as thedo, its not a problem.

use DRM or get butt raped by your members when they steal your shit and put it all over the p2p and god knows where else.

SpeakEasy · 09-01-2004, 04:21 PM

Most of the hosts that brand their drm are using http://objectcube.com/

MikeHawk · 09-01-2004, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim
MikeHawk, you and I need to talk one day next week -- I'm just down the PCH from you in Venice, and I take Topanga Cyn home every day I go to the Valley --

Kimmykim, anytime.....you better be going to Mexico...I will be around on Friday, got meetings in Chatsworth...gee what woudl I be doing there?

Kimmykim · 09-01-2004, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MikeHawk
Kimmykim, anytime.....you better be going to Mexico...I will be around on Friday, got meetings in Chatsworth...gee what woudl I be doing there?

Nope baby, I'm not going to Mexico, can't be in two places at one time

I'll be around on Friday most likely -- the only reason that might not happen is if I get stuck in Florida tomorrow.

What's your email and I'll get you my number

Keev · 09-01-2004, 11:07 PM

Mike we gotta meet up as well maybe we should plan a day outing up in LA with a couple people and chill maybe like a bbq or soemthing...

SpaceAce · 09-01-2004, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Oystein
PS. Playa DRM owns the industry in terms of price and functionalities.... hands down

PlayaDRM also wants my first name, last name, telephone number, address, city, state and zip for a trial of the service that supposedly has no strings attatched. My phone number? My address. Thanks but no. Maybe if I didn't have to fill out the identity theft worksheet.

SpaceAce

Crypt · 09-01-2004, 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SpaceAce
PlayaDRM also wants my first name, last name, telephone number, address, city, state and zip for a trial of the service that supposedly has no strings attatched. My phone number? My address. Thanks but no. Maybe if I didn't have to fill out the identity theft worksheet.

SpaceAce

If they dont do this, n00bs will try to get 400 free trials

I tested playadrm system, and its the BEST i saw on 6 other similar system ;)

SpaceAce · 09-01-2004, 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Crypt
If they dont do this, n00bs will try to get 400 free trials

I tested playadrm system, and its the BEST i saw on 6 other similar system ;)

I'm sure that's the official reason but I don't like that shit. I am sick of everyone on the internet wanting to know everything about me. This goes double when the interrogation comes before I am "allowed" to purchase a product or service from someone.

SpaceAce

Crypt · 09-01-2004, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SpaceAce
I'm sure that's the official reason but I don't like that shit. I am sick of everyone on the internet wanting to know everything about me. This goes double when the interrogation comes before I am "allowed" to purchase a product or service from someone.

SpaceAce

I can tell you something, i never received a email or a phone from them.

TheJimmy · 09-01-2004, 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Crypt
I tested playadrm system, and its the BEST i saw on 6 other similar system ;)

Tucker & Oystein's program are topnotch...

Waaay above and beyond any other drm systems out there...

OY · 09-02-2004, 02:17 PM

SpaceAce - We will not activate any accounts with misleading information or lack thereof. We sit on the most powerful DRM solution in the industry and feel we have the right to protect what we do by only giving free trial period to serious potential customers.

Crypt - Thank you bud. It took 2,5 years to develop and test and test again, with good reason. So comments like this is appreciated!

And btw, we will NOT use your information to "sell you stuff" or give it out to anyone else. When you sign up, you are OUR potential client and is treated as that. Nothing else. To have correct information about a potential client from the start just makes the process easier to complete once IN BIZ - so I dont see that as a negative, but a positive.

SpaceAce - that goes for you too. You have my promise. I will only email you PORN if that is what you like

PS. But I will DRM the porn before I send it to you!!!

Then exploit if for cold hard cash!

TheJimmy -

Kimmykim · 09-02-2004, 02:22 PM

Goodness, I didn't realize all this time that getting people's names and addresses and phone numbers when I was in the process of selling them something was a bad thing.

Hmmm, is this the right way?

Ring ring...

"Corporate offices. Who can I connect you to?"

ME -"Um, I'm not sure. Who's around there?"

"Who would you like to speak to?"

ME- "Well, can you tell me who's there?"

"Miss, who are you trying to reach?"

ME- "Well, I don't know the name of the person I'm supposed to talk to, and I'm not even sure what company this is, but I'm going to hook you guys up with ePassporte or some DVD content if you'll tell me who you are and who works there..."

Click.

ME - "Hello? hello? hello?"

;)

OY · 09-02-2004, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim
Goodness, I didn't realize all this time that getting people's names and addresses and phone numbers when I was in the process of selling them something was a bad thing.

Hmmm, is this the right way?

Ring ring...

"Corporate offices. Who can I connect you to?"

ME -"Um, I'm not sure. Who's around there?"

"Who would you like to speak to?"

ME- "Well, can you tell me who's there?"

"Miss, who are you trying to reach?"

ME- "Well, I don't know the name of the person I'm supposed to talk to, and I'm not even sure what company this is, but I'm going to hook you guys up with ePassporte or some DVD content if you'll tell me who you are and who works there..."

Click.

ME - "Hello? hello? hello?"

;)

LOL

Kimmy - Lets go have a

on the beach down here (same as last place we went to) if you are in town...

I love the way you put things in perspective...

Kimmykim · 09-02-2004, 02:42 PM

Give me a buzz later on this afternoon, Aly and I were talking about chilling at the beach later on maybe...

OY · 09-02-2004, 03:21 PM

Goodie....

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09-01-2004, 12:41 AM	#1
Keev Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 5,335	DRM Solutions? VidLock Anyone? I have been digging around and researching all the various drm solutions out there... I don't want to have to host the files that are to be protected on some 3rd party server... VidLock offers a service based on liceanses your able to give out.... I am curious what solutions anyone might have experience with... ? Suggestions? Experiences? Good, Bad Indifferent? __________________ ReliableServers.com - NO REF LINK!

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09-01-2004, 11:59 AM	#14
tucker Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: LA Posts: 584	Why people say they lose money by using DRM is beyond me. I think it comes from a lack of understanding or use. Our clients make MORE using it so I am confused about this. I am going to start a series of helpful tips to get everyone more familiar and encourage you to try it out, even in a small way for free to get your feet wet. Lets call this the ?IN DA / ON DA? Project DRM USE #1 ? IN DA MEMBERS AREA Let us take a members area for example; lets say that your members only get to watch the videos WHETHER OR NOT they are online for their membership period. If they don?t renew they cannot watch the movies anymore but are offered a rejoin the site offer at a discounted rate or some other up sell. You could also let them continue to watch the movies but then pop them to up sell offers every time. That is friendly, it says pay to play. You can?t walk into an arcade and not pay to play video games, why should it be any different on the net? Next topics will include On Da free sites, On Da front ends, and Da viral marketing piece. More to come.

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mountainmiester Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arizona Posts: 509	Haven't we been in this thread before, and before? Ditto to what Jason said and moreover, we usually see higer conversion rates with pay per view sites than with members sites. As far as who? You need to first consider what you need this to do and why. Then contact the providers out there and see how close their solution is to your business model. Playa and DRM Networks have been doing this for some time and have many great features. In many ways we're the same and in other way we are not. What is important is that we are all advocates of this technology, not so much as a business for ourselves but to change the way we view content. Anyone engaged in this will agree that this is the future of content distribution so the question is, which direction do you think it will go? __________________ Randall Crockett LIMELIGHT NETWORKS [email protected]

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09-01-2004, 01:33 PM	#21
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	Tucker's right. DRM can be a seamless process to your members on the front end, it also works very well for satisfying the cross indexing requirements required in the new 2257 compliance proposals. The only time the consumer realizes there is DRM in place is if they are not authorized to watch the content because they either didn't pay for it to begin with or they haven't continued to pay per the DRM specs that you create when you wrap the content. DRM is NOT about protecting content. Yes, that's an added benefit to the whole process, but at the end of the day DRM offers you the chance to continue marketing to consumers that want to utilize your content but don't want to pay for it. And it gives you the opportunity to create new members, either to your members area, or for specific content they are trying to watch, once again, on your specs for your content. DRM also allows you to produce trailers and other promotional materials that surfers can view, then giving them the option to purchase memberships or more content from you after they've decided they like your content. Saying that surfers don't like it is pointless. Surfers don't like to pay period. You increase the chances of a surfer paying you money -- one last time, with parameters YOU set -- and thus you make MORE money, not less. For instance, you've got a surfer who joined your site and cancelled during his first month. He happens to like one episode or one movie in particular from your site, once he has cancelled, you don't have to charge him a full months membership if he doesn't want to pay that in order to watch one episode, you can sell him that episode alone for a month or a set number of plays, or for life if you want. This is a situation where the pros far outweigh the cons.

09-01-2004, 01:50 PM	#24
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	MikeHawk, you and I need to talk one day next week -- I'm just down the PCH from you in Venice, and I take Topanga Cyn home every day I go to the Valley --

09-01-2004, 02:39 PM	#27
tucker Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: LA Posts: 584	Kimmy is 100% correct and she is speaking from experience, not from theory. Whatever you model, there are ways to make it work for you the way YOU want it to. VOD - simple, easy to set up and can be done with the same files you currently have in your members areas. Offer them as individual plays or from access to the entire site. What about giving away the content and then capturing back the traffic. I will write an step by step on this over the weekend. I wrote a piece a few years ago that AVN and a few others published and we ran it on our old DRMDaily site. http://drmdaily.com/DigitalFeedback_Article.asp?ID=1001 It may or may not spark some ideas. To be continued on that.... As a continue to ramble, I would inject this...TRY IT OUT, it will not cost you anything to try it out. Let me show you what we know and see if together we can get you rolling full steam or even half steam. Even if you are using another provider, give me a shout, I am on ICQ 15 hours a day (254 33 4), I may be able to help you improve your model without having you switch providers. Let me know, I am here.

09-01-2004, 04:21 PM	#29
SpeakEasy Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The Internet Posts: 2,681	Most of the hosts that brand their drm are using http://objectcube.com/

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Keev Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 5,335	Mike we gotta meet up as well maybe we should plan a day outing up in LA with a couple people and chill maybe like a bbq or soemthing... __________________ ReliableServers.com - NO REF LINK!

09-02-2004, 02:17 PM	#38
OY Industry Pioneer Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA/EU/ASIA Posts: 5,401	SpaceAce - We will not activate any accounts with misleading information or lack thereof. We sit on the most powerful DRM solution in the industry and feel we have the right to protect what we do by only giving free trial period to serious potential customers. Crypt - Thank you bud. It took 2,5 years to develop and test and test again, with good reason. So comments like this is appreciated! And btw, we will NOT use your information to "sell you stuff" or give it out to anyone else. When you sign up, you are OUR potential client and is treated as that. Nothing else. To have correct information about a potential client from the start just makes the process easier to complete once IN BIZ - so I dont see that as a negative, but a positive. SpaceAce - that goes for you too. You have my promise. I will only email you PORN if that is what you like PS. But I will DRM the porn before I send it to you!!! Then exploit if for cold hard cash! TheJimmy - __________________ Around since 1997, and the company that introduced "Cascading Billing" in MPA3® Affiliate Management and Tracking Software Outsourcing With A Norwegian Twist - NordBits - Inquire within!

09-02-2004, 02:22 PM	#39
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	Goodness, I didn't realize all this time that getting people's names and addresses and phone numbers when I was in the process of selling them something was a bad thing. Hmmm, is this the right way? Ring ring... "Corporate offices. Who can I connect you to?" ME -"Um, I'm not sure. Who's around there?" "Who would you like to speak to?" ME- "Well, can you tell me who's there?" "Miss, who are you trying to reach?" ME- "Well, I don't know the name of the person I'm supposed to talk to, and I'm not even sure what company this is, but I'm going to hook you guys up with ePassporte or some DVD content if you'll tell me who you are and who works there..." Click. ME - "Hello? hello? hello?" ;)

09-02-2004, 02:42 PM	#41
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	Give me a buzz later on this afternoon, Aly and I were talking about chilling at the beach later on maybe...

09-02-2004, 03:21 PM	#42
OY Industry Pioneer Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA/EU/ASIA Posts: 5,401	Goodie.... __________________ Around since 1997, and the company that introduced "Cascading Billing" in MPA3® Affiliate Management and Tracking Software Outsourcing With A Norwegian Twist - NordBits - Inquire within!