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  • Keev
    Confirmed User
    • May 2001
    • 5335
    #1

    DRM Solutions? VidLock Anyone?

    I have been digging around and researching all the various drm solutions out there... I don't want to have to host the files that are to be protected on some 3rd party server...

    VidLock offers a service based on liceanses your able to give out....

    I am curious what solutions anyone might have experience with... ?


    Suggestions? Experiences? Good, Bad Indifferent?
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    • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
      best designer on GFY
      • Mar 2003
      • 30307
      #2
      Ya talk to Tucker yet bro?

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        • Crypt
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          • Apr 2004
          • 2225
          #3
          PlayaDRM

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            • johndoebob
              Confirmed User
              • Mar 2004
              • 3405
              #4
              DRM sucks and most paysite members don't / won't like it.It's just good for VOD.

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                • Crypt
                  Confirmed User
                  • Apr 2004
                  • 2225
                  #5
                  Originally posted by johndoebob
                  DRM sucks and most paysite members don't / won't like it.It's just good for VOD.
                  There is more utility than protect members area with drm ;)

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                    • Keev
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                      • May 2001
                      • 5335
                      #6
                      Originally posted by johndoebob
                      DRM sucks and most paysite members don't / won't like it.It's just good for VOD.


                      Sometimes you cant please the freeloading society...

                      Are you here to make money or give it away.... ?
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                        • johndoebob
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                          • Mar 2004
                          • 3405
                          #7
                          Originally posted by Keev
                          Sometimes you cant please the freeloading society...

                          Are you here to make money or give it away.... ?
                          When everybody knows that your site uses DRM you'll have less signups.

                          It just makes sense if you exessivly offer cheap trials.

                          Also you can't find content of most paysites on P2P.

                          I rather go into the user friendly direction , but each to it's own.

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                            • Keev
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                              • May 2001
                              • 5335
                              #8
                              experiences please,.... anyone else have some input on drm solutions and how your experiences went?
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                                • notjoe
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                                  • May 2002
                                  • 5599
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by Crypt
                                  There is more utility than protect members area with drm ;)
                                  Translate this to english my friend

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                                    • mattyboy
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Mar 2003
                                      • 1070
                                      #10
                                      If you have good quality exclusive content, DRM works.

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                                        • Crypt
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                                          • Apr 2004
                                          • 2225
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by notjoe
                                          Translate this to english my friend
                                          ok pas de probleme ;)

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                                            • TheWildcard
                                              So Fucking Banned
                                              • Jun 2004
                                              • 4759
                                              #12
                                              www.drm.com

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                                                • webair
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                                                  • Feb 2002
                                                  • 8531
                                                  #13
                                                  http://www.webairdrm.com


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                                                    • tucker
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                                                      • Dec 2002
                                                      • 584
                                                      #14
                                                      Why people say they lose money by using DRM is beyond me. I think it comes from a lack of understanding or use. Our clients make MORE using it so I am confused about this.

                                                      I am going to start a series of helpful tips to get everyone more familiar and encourage you to try it out, even in a small way for free to get your feet wet.

                                                      Lets call this the ?IN DA / ON DA? Project

                                                      DRM USE #1 ? IN DA MEMBERS AREA
                                                      Let us take a members area for example; lets say that your members only get to watch the videos WHETHER OR NOT they are online for their membership period. If they don?t renew they cannot watch the movies anymore but are offered a rejoin the site offer at a discounted rate or some other up sell. You could also let them continue to watch the movies but then pop them to up sell offers every time. That is friendly, it says pay to play. You can?t walk into an arcade and not pay to play video games, why should it be any different on the net?

                                                      Next topics will include On Da free sites, On Da front ends, and Da viral marketing piece.

                                                      More to come.

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                                                        • seeric
                                                          ..........
                                                          • Aug 2004
                                                          • 41917
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by johndoebob
                                                          DRM sucks and most paysite members don't / won't like it.It's just good for VOD.
                                                          wrong.

                                                          60% dont even know its there. we haven't had one compaint about DRM from consumers. DRM is the future for all producers and site owners who want to protect their content.

                                                          the only minor problems we have had are consumers who have not updtaed their media player. as soon as thedo, its not a problem.




                                                          use DRM or get butt raped by your members when they steal your shit and put it all over the p2p and god knows where else.

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                                                            • TheJimmy
                                                              ICQ- five seven 0 2 5 5 0
                                                              • Jan 2001
                                                              • 10747
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by Crypt
                                                              There is more utility than protect members area with drm ;)
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                                                                • Keev
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                                                                  • May 2001
                                                                  • 5335
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Keep talking tucker.... Or hit me on icq... 104463163
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                                                                    • mountainmiester
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                                                                      • Oct 2002
                                                                      • 509
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Haven't we been in this thread before, and before? Ditto to what Jason said and moreover, we usually see higer conversion rates with pay per view sites than with members sites.

                                                                      As far as who? You need to first consider what you need this to do and why. Then contact the providers out there and see how close their solution is to your business model. Playa and DRM Networks have been doing this for some time and have many great features. In many ways we're the same and in other way we are not.

                                                                      What is important is that we are all advocates of this technology, not so much as a business for ourselves but to change the way we view content. Anyone engaged in this will agree that this is the future of content distribution so the question is, which direction do you think it will go?
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                                                                        • Manowar
                                                                          jellyfish  
                                                                          • Dec 2003
                                                                          • 71528
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by Crypt
                                                                          PlayaDRM

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                                                                            • FiReC
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Jan 2002
                                                                              • 2350
                                                                              #20
                                                                              What happens if the liscense server goes down?
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                                                                                • Kimmykim
                                                                                  bitchslapping zebras!!!!!
                                                                                  • Jun 2001
                                                                                  • 16015
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Tucker's right.

                                                                                  DRM can be a seamless process to your members on the front end, it also works very well for satisfying the cross indexing requirements required in the new 2257 compliance proposals.

                                                                                  The only time the consumer realizes there is DRM in place is if they are not authorized to watch the content because they either didn't pay for it to begin with or they haven't continued to pay per the DRM specs that you create when you wrap the content.

                                                                                  DRM is NOT about protecting content. Yes, that's an added benefit to the whole process, but at the end of the day DRM offers you the chance to continue marketing to consumers that want to utilize your content but don't want to pay for it. And it gives you the opportunity to create new members, either to your members area, or for specific content they are trying to watch, once again, on your specs for your content.

                                                                                  DRM also allows you to produce trailers and other promotional materials that surfers can view, then giving them the option to purchase memberships or more content from you after they've decided they like your content.

                                                                                  Saying that surfers don't like it is pointless. Surfers don't like to pay period. You increase the chances of a surfer paying you money -- one last time, with parameters YOU set -- and thus you make MORE money, not less.

                                                                                  For instance, you've got a surfer who joined your site and cancelled during his first month. He happens to like one episode or one movie in particular from your site, once he has cancelled, you don't have to charge him a full months membership if he doesn't want to pay that in order to watch one episode, you can sell him that episode alone for a month or a set number of plays, or for life if you want.

                                                                                  This is a situation where the pros far outweigh the cons.

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                                                                                    • Kimmykim
                                                                                      bitchslapping zebras!!!!!
                                                                                      • Jun 2001
                                                                                      • 16015
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by FiReC
                                                                                      What happens if the liscense server goes down?
                                                                                      That would depend on how you had your license process set up. If you were doing a traditional member area where they access the content for 30 days, the license acquisition process occurs only on the 31st day of their membership to see if they still exist in your db.

                                                                                      If you are doing VOD, then it would pose problems until it came back up.

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                                                                                        • MikeHawk
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Jan 2004
                                                                                          • 6683
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by Keev
                                                                                          Sometimes you cant please the freeloading society...

                                                                                          Are you here to make money or give it away.... ?
                                                                                          Keev, Exactly!
                                                                                          That old bullshit thinking needs to be thrown out with the 1.95 trick the surfer shit....old biz...

                                                                                          DRM is working great on our systems and we are seeing the pay per view and rejoin part of that starting to work for the members areas of our sites!
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                                                                                            • Kimmykim
                                                                                              bitchslapping zebras!!!!!
                                                                                              • Jun 2001
                                                                                              • 16015
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              MikeHawk, you and I need to talk one day next week -- I'm just down the PCH from you in Venice, and I take Topanga Cyn home every day I go to the Valley --

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                                                                                                • tucker
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Dec 2002
                                                                                                  • 584
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by mountainmiester
                                                                                                  Haven't we been in this thread before, and before? Ditto to what Jason said and moreover, we usually see higer conversion rates with pay per view sites than with members sites.

                                                                                                  As far as who? You need to first consider what you need this to do and why. Then contact the providers out there and see how close their solution is to your business model. Playa and DRM Networks have been doing this for some time and have many great features. In many ways we're the same and in other way we are not.

                                                                                                  What is important is that we are all advocates of this technology, not so much as a business for ourselves but to change the way we view content. Anyone engaged in this will agree that this is the future of content distribution so the question is, which direction do you think it will go?
                                                                                                  Exactly! Its about education and making it work for you instead of the other way around.

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                                                                                                    • OY
                                                                                                      Industry Pioneer
                                                                                                      • Oct 2002
                                                                                                      • 5401
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by Kimmykim
                                                                                                      Tucker's right.

                                                                                                      DRM can be a seamless process to your members on the front end, it also works very well for satisfying the cross indexing requirements required in the new 2257 compliance proposals.

                                                                                                      The only time the consumer realizes there is DRM in place is if they are not authorized to watch the content because they either didn't pay for it to begin with or they haven't continued to pay per the DRM specs that you create when you wrap the content.

                                                                                                      DRM is NOT about protecting content. Yes, that's an added benefit to the whole process, but at the end of the day DRM offers you the chance to continue marketing to consumers that want to utilize your content but don't want to pay for it. And it gives you the opportunity to create new members, either to your members area, or for specific content they are trying to watch, once again, on your specs for your content.

                                                                                                      DRM also allows you to produce trailers and other promotional materials that surfers can view, then giving them the option to purchase memberships or more content from you after they've decided they like your content.

                                                                                                      Saying that surfers don't like it is pointless. Surfers don't like to pay period. You increase the chances of a surfer paying you money -- one last time, with parameters YOU set -- and thus you make MORE money, not less.

                                                                                                      For instance, you've got a surfer who joined your site and cancelled during his first month. He happens to like one episode or one movie in particular from your site, once he has cancelled, you don't have to charge him a full months membership if he doesn't want to pay that in order to watch one episode, you can sell him that episode alone for a month or a set number of plays, or for life if you want.

                                                                                                      This is a situation where the pros far outweigh the cons.
                                                                                                      As if I said it myself!



                                                                                                      PS. Playa DRM owns the industry in terms of price and functionalities.... hands down
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                                                                                                        • tucker
                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                          • Dec 2002
                                                                                                          • 584
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Kimmy is 100% correct and she is speaking from experience, not from theory. Whatever you model, there are ways to make it work for you the way YOU want it to.

                                                                                                          VOD - simple, easy to set up and can be done with the same files you currently have in your members areas. Offer them as individual plays or from access to the entire site.

                                                                                                          What about giving away the content and then capturing back the traffic. I will write an step by step on this over the weekend. I wrote a piece a few years ago that AVN and a few others published and we ran it on our old DRMDaily site.

                                                                                                          http://drmdaily.com/DigitalFeedback_Article.asp?ID=1001

                                                                                                          It may or may not spark some ideas.

                                                                                                          To be continued on that....

                                                                                                          As a continue to ramble, I would inject this...TRY IT OUT, it will not cost you anything to try it out. Let me show you what we know and see if together we can get you rolling full steam or even half steam.

                                                                                                          Even if you are using another provider, give me a shout, I am on ICQ 15 hours a day (254 33 4), I may be able to help you improve your model without having you switch providers.

                                                                                                          Let me know, I am here.

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                                                                                                            • OY
                                                                                                              Industry Pioneer
                                                                                                              • Oct 2002
                                                                                                              • 5401
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by A1R3K
                                                                                                              wrong.

                                                                                                              60% dont even know its there. we haven't had one compaint about DRM from consumers. DRM is the future for all producers and site owners who want to protect their content.

                                                                                                              the only minor problems we have had are consumers who have not updtaed their media player. as soon as thedo, its not a problem.




                                                                                                              use DRM or get butt raped by your members when they steal your shit and put it all over the p2p and god knows where else.
                                                                                                              Around since 1997, and the company that introduced "Cascading Billing" in MPA3® Affiliate Management and Tracking Software

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                                                                                                                • SpeakEasy
                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                  • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                  • 2681
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Most of the hosts that brand their drm are using http://objectcube.com/
                                                                                                                  Check Your Internet Speed;
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                                                                                                                    • MikeHawk
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                                                                                                                      • Jan 2004
                                                                                                                      • 6683
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Kimmykim
                                                                                                                      MikeHawk, you and I need to talk one day next week -- I'm just down the PCH from you in Venice, and I take Topanga Cyn home every day I go to the Valley --
                                                                                                                      Kimmykim, anytime.....you better be going to Mexico...I will be around on Friday, got meetings in Chatsworth...gee what woudl I be doing there?

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                                                                                                                        • Kimmykim
                                                                                                                          bitchslapping zebras!!!!!
                                                                                                                          • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                          • 16015
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by MikeHawk
                                                                                                                          Kimmykim, anytime.....you better be going to Mexico...I will be around on Friday, got meetings in Chatsworth...gee what woudl I be doing there?
                                                                                                                          Nope baby, I'm not going to Mexico, can't be in two places at one time

                                                                                                                          I'll be around on Friday most likely -- the only reason that might not happen is if I get stuck in Florida tomorrow.

                                                                                                                          What's your email and I'll get you my number

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                                                                                                                            • Keev
                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                              • May 2001
                                                                                                                              • 5335
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Mike we gotta meet up as well maybe we should plan a day outing up in LA with a couple people and chill maybe like a bbq or soemthing...
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                                                                                                                                • SpaceAce
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                                                                                                                                  • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                                  • 6493
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Oystein
                                                                                                                                  PS. Playa DRM owns the industry in terms of price and functionalities.... hands down
                                                                                                                                  PlayaDRM also wants my first name, last name, telephone number, address, city, state and zip for a trial of the service that supposedly has no strings attatched. My phone number? My address. Thanks but no. Maybe if I didn't have to fill out the identity theft worksheet.

                                                                                                                                  SpaceAce

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                                                                                                                                    • Crypt
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                                                                                                                                      • Apr 2004
                                                                                                                                      • 2225
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by SpaceAce
                                                                                                                                      PlayaDRM also wants my first name, last name, telephone number, address, city, state and zip for a trial of the service that supposedly has no strings attatched. My phone number? My address. Thanks but no. Maybe if I didn't have to fill out the identity theft worksheet.

                                                                                                                                      SpaceAce
                                                                                                                                      If they dont do this, n00bs will try to get 400 free trials

                                                                                                                                      I tested playadrm system, and its the BEST i saw on 6 other similar system ;)

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                                                                                                                                        • SpaceAce
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                                                                                                                                          • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                                          • 6493
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Crypt
                                                                                                                                          If they dont do this, n00bs will try to get 400 free trials

                                                                                                                                          I tested playadrm system, and its the BEST i saw on 6 other similar system ;)
                                                                                                                                          I'm sure that's the official reason but I don't like that shit. I am sick of everyone on the internet wanting to know everything about me. This goes double when the interrogation comes before I am "allowed" to purchase a product or service from someone.

                                                                                                                                          SpaceAce

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                                                                                                                                            • Crypt
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                                                                                                                                              • Apr 2004
                                                                                                                                              • 2225
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by SpaceAce
                                                                                                                                              I'm sure that's the official reason but I don't like that shit. I am sick of everyone on the internet wanting to know everything about me. This goes double when the interrogation comes before I am "allowed" to purchase a product or service from someone.

                                                                                                                                              SpaceAce
                                                                                                                                              I can tell you something, i never received a email or a phone from them.

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                                                                                                                                                • TheJimmy
                                                                                                                                                  ICQ- five seven 0 2 5 5 0
                                                                                                                                                  • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                                                  • 10747
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Crypt
                                                                                                                                                  I tested playadrm system, and its the BEST i saw on 6 other similar system ;)

                                                                                                                                                  Tucker & Oystein's program are topnotch...

                                                                                                                                                  Waaay above and beyond any other drm systems out there...


                                                                                                                                                  Investor with 5m - 15m USD to invest. Do you have a site or network of sites earning 50k - 200k a month income? Email your contact and preliminary data to: domain.cashventures (at) gmail.com....Please...no tire kickers...serious offers and inquiries only.

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                                                                                                                                                    • OY
                                                                                                                                                      Industry Pioneer
                                                                                                                                                      • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                      • 5401
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      SpaceAce - We will not activate any accounts with misleading information or lack thereof. We sit on the most powerful DRM solution in the industry and feel we have the right to protect what we do by only giving free trial period to serious potential customers.

                                                                                                                                                      Crypt - Thank you bud. It took 2,5 years to develop and test and test again, with good reason. So comments like this is appreciated!

                                                                                                                                                      And btw, we will NOT use your information to "sell you stuff" or give it out to anyone else. When you sign up, you are OUR potential client and is treated as that. Nothing else. To have correct information about a potential client from the start just makes the process easier to complete once IN BIZ - so I dont see that as a negative, but a positive.

                                                                                                                                                      SpaceAce - that goes for you too. You have my promise. I will only email you PORN if that is what you like PS. But I will DRM the porn before I send it to you!!! Then exploit if for cold hard cash!

                                                                                                                                                      TheJimmy -
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                                                                                                                                                        • Kimmykim
                                                                                                                                                          bitchslapping zebras!!!!!
                                                                                                                                                          • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                                          • 16015
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Goodness, I didn't realize all this time that getting people's names and addresses and phone numbers when I was in the process of selling them something was a bad thing.

                                                                                                                                                          Hmmm, is this the right way?

                                                                                                                                                          Ring ring...

                                                                                                                                                          "Corporate offices. Who can I connect you to?"

                                                                                                                                                          ME -"Um, I'm not sure. Who's around there?"

                                                                                                                                                          "Who would you like to speak to?"

                                                                                                                                                          ME- "Well, can you tell me who's there?"

                                                                                                                                                          "Miss, who are you trying to reach?"

                                                                                                                                                          ME- "Well, I don't know the name of the person I'm supposed to talk to, and I'm not even sure what company this is, but I'm going to hook you guys up with ePassporte or some DVD content if you'll tell me who you are and who works there..."

                                                                                                                                                          Click.

                                                                                                                                                          ME - "Hello? hello? hello?"

                                                                                                                                                          ;)

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                                                                                                                                                            • OY
                                                                                                                                                              Industry Pioneer
                                                                                                                                                              • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                              • 5401
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Kimmykim
                                                                                                                                                              Goodness, I didn't realize all this time that getting people's names and addresses and phone numbers when I was in the process of selling them something was a bad thing.

                                                                                                                                                              Hmmm, is this the right way?

                                                                                                                                                              Ring ring...

                                                                                                                                                              "Corporate offices. Who can I connect you to?"

                                                                                                                                                              ME -"Um, I'm not sure. Who's around there?"

                                                                                                                                                              "Who would you like to speak to?"

                                                                                                                                                              ME- "Well, can you tell me who's there?"

                                                                                                                                                              "Miss, who are you trying to reach?"

                                                                                                                                                              ME- "Well, I don't know the name of the person I'm supposed to talk to, and I'm not even sure what company this is, but I'm going to hook you guys up with ePassporte or some DVD content if you'll tell me who you are and who works there..."

                                                                                                                                                              Click.

                                                                                                                                                              ME - "Hello? hello? hello?"

                                                                                                                                                              ;)

                                                                                                                                                              LOL

                                                                                                                                                              Kimmy - Lets go have a on the beach down here (same as last place we went to) if you are in town...

                                                                                                                                                              I love the way you put things in perspective...
                                                                                                                                                              Around since 1997, and the company that introduced "Cascading Billing" in MPA3® Affiliate Management and Tracking Software

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                                                                                                                                                                • Kimmykim
                                                                                                                                                                  bitchslapping zebras!!!!!
                                                                                                                                                                  • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                                                  • 16015
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Give me a buzz later on this afternoon, Aly and I were talking about chilling at the beach later on maybe...

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                                                                                                                                                                    • OY
                                                                                                                                                                      Industry Pioneer
                                                                                                                                                                      • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                                      • 5401
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Goodie....
                                                                                                                                                                      Around since 1997, and the company that introduced "Cascading Billing" in MPA3® Affiliate Management and Tracking Software

                                                                                                                                                                      Outsourcing With A Norwegian Twist - NordBits - Inquire within!

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