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Old 07-16-2004, 05:19 PM   #1
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Who prefers IE to Firefox, Opera, Etc?

Just having a freindly debate with somebody that I need settled. Need comments people!

P.S. Dirty Danza isn't included!
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Old 07-16-2004, 05:21 PM   #2
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all I got to say is m i c r o s o f t = multi billion dollar company


mozilla = mozilla who?
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Old 07-16-2004, 05:22 PM   #3
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I went for IE every time..... until

FIREFOX - makes IE look like a NewB tool

What did I do before tabs?????
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Old 07-16-2004, 05:22 PM   #4
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all I got to say is m i c r o s o f t = multi billion dollar company


mozilla = mozilla who?
Zilla what? Zilla who!

SMART and BEAUTIFUL people use Mozilla... Like myself.
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Old 07-16-2004, 05:23 PM   #5
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I like firefox because of its diverse plugins, skin options etc.

And I'm not here to argue just my personal preference.
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Old 07-16-2004, 05:23 PM   #6
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FIREFOX - makes IE look like a NewB tool

What did I do before tabs?????
tabs blow me... it's all about IE... just remember IE hasbeen here and will always be here... it won;t be long before people start cracking it
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Old 07-16-2004, 05:24 PM   #7
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IE for me...i do too much design and would have to open IE every time to check a page anyway, so why bother with anything else
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Old 07-16-2004, 05:25 PM   #8
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I switched to opera because I got a worm, only because I missed to install one IE update. now I'm using IE only for few plug-in things. but opera and mozilla are better in every point.
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Old 07-16-2004, 05:25 PM   #9
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tabs blow me... it's all about IE... just remember IE hasbeen here and will always be here... it won;t be long before people start cracking it
Except for the fact that it's open source and exploits will be patched MUCH faster than WinBLOWS Internet Explorer.
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Old 07-16-2004, 05:27 PM   #10
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tabs blow me... it's all about IE... just remember IE hasbeen here and will always be here... it won;t be long before people start cracking it
Not sure what u mean?

IE as a serious browser was one of the last on the scene
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Old 07-16-2004, 05:27 PM   #11
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I use both, but some things i have to use ie for. (Comus Thumbs)
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all I got to say is m i c r o s o f t = multi billion dollar company


mozilla = mozilla who?
He didn't ask about the companies. He asked about the Browser.

Firefox has my love.
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Old 07-16-2004, 05:28 PM   #13
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your all whiny mutherfuckers... IE is whats it's all about... nuff said... you can all keep switching.. that reminds me of people that have to have the newest set of rims.. everyone rocks em till they find a defect and crack
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Old 07-16-2004, 05:28 PM   #14
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IE for me...i do too much design and would have to open IE every time to check a page anyway, so why bother with anything else
Would be nice to know if your designs look ok on Firefox to...

I like the tabbed browsing and security of Firefox, but IE is much faster.
Whenever Firefox gains to much populairity: 1 it will be the target for virus programmers and 2 MS will release a new IE quickly.
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Old 07-16-2004, 05:29 PM   #15
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IE is preferred by virus and trojan authors 100-1.......

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Old 07-16-2004, 05:31 PM   #16
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Would be nice to know if your designs look ok on Firefox to...

I like the tabbed browsing and security of Firefox, but IE is much faster.
Whenever Firefox gains to much populairity: 1 it will be the target for virus programmers and 2 MS will release a new IE quickly.
excatly... gates has the funds and would not even sweat about buying firefox out and making it MS... firefox is hurting for a burger and would sell in a heartbeat if they were really that smart
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Old 07-16-2004, 05:32 PM   #17
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IE is preferred by virus and trojan authors 100-1.......

isnt that why u go and buy a virus scanner? Oh i dunno, say norton for example? TO GET RID OF VIRUSES..There all over the net and not to have one is rediculous..you might as well stop using the computer cuz your giving viruses an easy gateway
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Old 07-16-2004, 05:33 PM   #18
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excatly... gates has the funds and would not even sweat about buying firefox out and making it MS... firefox is hurting for a burger and would sell in a heartbeat if they were really that smart
he cant buy firefox, remember the whole monopoly thing?

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and i like both equaly, atm i am surfing with IE because i find pages look better,

Mozilla is much faster for me though, so there is pros and cons on both.
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Old 07-16-2004, 05:33 PM   #19
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I like Opera, it's much more efficient for surfing the web than IE. I still use IE sometimes because some things I use don't display properly in Opera. Firefox I didn't like.
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I use AvantBrowser for testing my pages in IE. Most of the time it just sits idle in the task bar. Has a lot of the same features that Firefox has.

http://www.avantbrowser.com
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it's all about security, if or when Mozilla Foxfire get un-security then I'll switch 2 something else. After all it's just a fucking browser, a tool. And the last time I checked, I had never fell in love with a Tool.
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excatly... gates has the funds and would not even sweat about buying firefox out and making it MS... firefox is hurting for a burger and would sell in a heartbeat if they were really that smart
Who says they're hurting? They look stronger than ever to me! There's room for more sharks in the water. Make room for Mozilla!

Isn't it obvious that more webmasters choose browsers other than IE? It's probably for a few good reasons. Stop believing in Corporate America so much!
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Who says they're hurting? They look stronger than ever to me! There's room for more sharks in the water. Make room for Mozilla!

Isn't it obvious that more webmasters choose browsers other than IE? It's probably for a few good reasons. Stop believing in Corporate America so much!
quit being a democrat... I am a big rep the rich get richer... I will stick with IE till the end
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quit being a democrat... I am a big rep the rich get richer... I will stick with IE till the end
Stop being such a Bush! I'll be a democrat long after I have money flowing out of my ass and silver dollars flying out of my ears. Besides...this is about technology and safe surfing...not dollars!
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if you want tab browsing with IE check out www.myie2.com

A lot of cool features too
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Stop being such a Bush! I'll be a democrat long after I have money flowing out of my ass and silver dollars flying out of my ears. Besides...this is about technology and safe surfing...not dollars!

lol... IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE IE
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You only count as 1 vote Dirty. Sit back, relax and start using Firefox.
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all I got to say is m i c r o s o f t = multi billion dollar company


mozilla = mozilla who?
Just because IE is owned by the biggest software company doesn't in any way make it better than other browsers....

FireFox
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According to my server logs, still over 85.8% of my visitors are on IE still. That number is trending down, but still pretty significant.
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mozilla still accounts for 1% maybe 2% of traffic on the net. it is a pain in the ass to write code for it. they used to be good but they got stupid.

ie sucks also but 99 to 98% of people use it plus it comes with your OS so why install some other shit that installs more shit and plug ins.

tabs ahhh whatever if you have a good box you can do away with new windows.

As far as worms and updates. duh you have to keep an eye on your box. it is not like a car that you run untill it dies you have to do oil changes. people always complain about Windows because of updates and crap.

Check out MAC stil 1 or 2% of the world use it and even less programs are made for it.

I know bill is the devil but why fight when you can join them hehe.
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mozilla still accounts for 1% maybe 2% of traffic on the net. it is a pain in the ass to write code for it. they used to be good but they got stupid.

ie sucks also but 99 to 98% of people use it plus it comes with your OS so why install some other shit that installs more shit and plug ins.

tabs ahhh whatever if you have a good box you can do away with new windows.

As far as worms and updates. duh you have to keep an eye on your box. it is not like a car that you run untill it dies you have to do oil changes. people always complain about Windows because of updates and crap.

Check out MAC stil 1 or 2% of the world use it and even less programs are made for it.

I know bill is the devil but why fight when you can join them hehe.
Maybe you haven't heard of Spyware, Browser hiJacks and auto install trojans. The shit that gets installed just by visiting a page or loading a counter which is insane. That's why I made the switch and that's why many others have as well. As far as 98%-99% using IE, that number is pretty skewed. I'd say it's somewhere in the 80's or even slightly lower.

People who NEED a clean computer generally tend to lean towards a safer browser like Firefox Opera, etc.
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Old 07-16-2004, 06:42 PM   #41
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IE cuz I'm used to it
I also have Netscape, Opera and Firefox to check pages in all 4 browsers in Dreamweaver
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Old 07-16-2004, 06:42 PM   #42
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If I want speed I go for IE. If I feel l33t I use Firefox.
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Old 07-16-2004, 06:46 PM   #43
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Maybe you haven't heard of Spyware, Browser hiJacks and auto install trojans. The shit that gets installed just by visiting a page or loading a counter which is insane. That's why I made the switch and that's why many others have as well. As far as 98%-99% using IE, that number is pretty skewed. I'd say it's somewhere in the 80's or even slightly lower.

People who NEED a clean computer generally tend to lean towards a safer browser like Firefox Opera, etc.
yes you are right i have not heard from them here is why
Golden rule of internet surfing always say no to any pop up.

rule #2 spend some money on lavasoft adaware. it works great EXORCISING the devil from your computer

rule #3 if you are a webmaster learn not to fall on other peoples traps.

i have never been hit by a virus had a computer hacked or hijacked or anything.

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Old 07-16-2004, 06:46 PM   #44
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I like IE. Its fast, I like its feel and function.

Combined with google toolbar its a pretty good combo. I only had one major spyware incident in the last couple years and fixed it quick.
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ahh i forgot

rule #1 with windows alwasy stay up to date. it is simple and automatic. same with anti virus
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Old 07-16-2004, 06:50 PM   #46
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As far as 98%-99% using IE, that number is pretty skewed. I'd say it's somewhere in the 80's or even slightly lower.

People who NEED a clean computer generally tend to lean towards a safer browser like Firefox Opera, etc.
if you run adult sites and non adult and check logs you will see that it is still around 2% lets not kid ourselves.
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yes you are right i have not heard from them here is why
Golden rule of internet surfing always say no to any pop up.

rule #2 spend some money on lavasoft adaware. it works great EXORCISING the devil from your computer

rule #3 if you are a webmaster learn not to fall on other peoples traps.

i have never been hit by a virus had a computer hacked or hijacked or anything.

#1. I update Windows or search for updates DAILY. (as you have numbered in your following thread)

#2. I say no to all popups. Hence why I installed the google toolbar which caught ALL for a while until people found ways around them.

#3. I have Adaware, Hijack this and Spybot Search and Destroy. Any other suggestions?? Oh ya... I also have Norton running 24-7.

#4. I don't "fall" for traps. Sometimes people decide to take once reputable sites and fuck with them for a quick buck. Also, sometimes it's possible to misspell a domain and get slammed by popups, autoinstalls, viruses, etc.

#5. Good for you. Run some other spyware programd on top of Ad Aware. You just may find a few surprises. If not, consideryourself in the 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000001% of all internet users who can say the same thing.
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if you run adult sites and non adult and check logs you will see that it is still around 2% lets not kid ourselves.
Going through my own public 3rd party and private stats, I see an average of 87.3% "Captian all knowing".
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#1. I update Windows or search for updates DAILY. (as you have numbered in your following thread)

#2. I say no to all popups. Hence why I installed the google toolbar which caught ALL for a while until people found ways around them.

#3. I have Adaware, Hijack this and Spybot Search and Destroy. Any other suggestions?? Oh ya... I also have Norton running 24-7.

#4. I don't "fall" for traps. Sometimes people decide to take once reputable sites and fuck with them for a quick buck. Also, sometimes it's possible to misspell a domain and get slammed by popups, autoinstalls, viruses, etc.

#5. Good for you. Run some other spyware programd on top of Ad Aware. You just may find a few surprises. If not, consideryourself in the 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000001% of all internet users who can say the same thing.
spybot search and destroy is not impressive and it is free. your third party stats are also free?

MS Internet Explorer No 43416803 93 %
Mozilla No 1355127 2.9 %
Unknown ? 840993 1.8 %
Netscape No 627345 1.3 %
Safari No 219989 0.4 %
Opera No 155724 0.3 %
Firebird No 36148 0 %
NetShow Player (media player) No 8892 0 %
WebTV browser No 8053 0 %
Konqueror No 7292 0 %
Others 8218 0 %
that is from an 65k a day tgp


MS Internet Explorer No 1024808 98.3 %
Mozilla No 5955 0.5 %
Safari No 5382 0.5 %
Netscape No 4851 0.4 %
Desconocido ? 938 0 %
Opera No 372 0 %
OmniWeb No 114 0 %
Konqueror No 67 0 %
Nutscrape No 42 0 %
Nokia Browser (PDA/Phone browser) No 1 0 %
Otros 1 0 %
this is from a 2k a day non adult site. i can keep on going and it will still show more or less the same relationship man.

i am not captain know it all. i just know what i am talking about. besides if you have to run 3 removal programs 1 antivirus and still have to use fucking mozilla you suck.
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Mozilla Firefox is a delightful browser. By FAR my preferred choice.
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