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04-06-2001, 03:45 AM
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my latest crusade: Conv. Rates. Hit me w/ your thoughts
::copied from my post on porncity::
Are your conversion ratios lower than what they used to be? It's common practice for the people of our industry to hear that a person needs help and lend a hand. KimmyKim and JJJ both reminded us that recently as they announced the development of new resources for webmasters. I'd like to add my 2 cents and see if we can't raise our conversion ratios. Because quite frankly we have nobody to blame but ourselves. Free Sites are cutting their own throats and hurting the rest of us by showing as much as they do. (This is not meant as a diatribe. I'm equally quilty of doing the same thing. This is meant as a call to action - to find a solution, implement, and resolve the problem) If you don't belief me, I'll illustrate my point. I looked at the first 30 sites listed at a random TGP. (FYI: The Site gest more than 8,000 visitors a day. Posted 181 links yesterday.) With in those first 30 sites were 496 images. Then I set up standards to judge the images. (some images contained two elements such as tits and bush, if they did it was tallied under the higher of the two classes.) The categories were NoNudity (4%), Tits (11%), Ass (5%), Bush (12%), CloseUp Anal (1%), CloseUp Vaginal (9%), Hardcore (blowjobs/penetration) (58%). This one example illustrates that around 68% (Roughly Two-Thirds) of the content that Free Sites distribute is of a graphic nature. This is content that people would pay for, if they HAD to. It's no wonder that Conversion Ratios are lower than what they used to be. For a while I believed that there wasn't anything that could be done about this. I guess I had one of those sobering moments today in the shower.... and thought "Hell, since we all work together on a daily basis if the idea is good enough it will spread like a wild fire." What I am proposing... and I'd like feedback from anybody with an opion.... is that we set a new standard for the listings that we will post... afterall they were called "money shots" for a reason... The more network of sites that adopt this the better off we'll all be... I'd especially like to hear comments from leaders/members of Thumblords, PornLords, SexClicks, NCAW, and other affiliated groups. ~Brett ICQ 9123759 |
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04-06-2001, 04:14 AM
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i agree with what you are saying - but as a freesite gallery runner, i only post a gallery with content provided by that sponser.
If sponsers only provide me with hardcore (or soft) then that is what my surfers will see. The problem is - how to get a surfer to go and sign up with a hardcore sponser if the only previews they get on my page are softcore? If hardcore sponsors start 'starring' the penetration in a picture, would people accept it? What do list-sites do with all their older links if all the new ones are 'starred'? |
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04-06-2001, 08:14 AM
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The idea is ok, but if we all did it, some people are going to get VERY RICH by not doing it...
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04-06-2001, 09:18 AM
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The internet just don?t work that way, setting standards here is near impossible. If lets say by some miracle next Monday everyone decides to follow a standard, by Friday there will be hundreds of newbies cashing in by offering more. I believe this industry will eventually reach saturation point and regulate itself. Someone has to pay the content bill and as we keep reducing revenues at pay site doors only the fittest will survive and the rumours that this is a route to easy cash will slowly reduce. |
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04-06-2001, 11:00 AM
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After six months in the business I have found one problem. To many webmasters. I know it sounds harsh because I am pretty new myself. But right now we got to many and need to decrease numbers some how. Anybody got ideas/comments?
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04-06-2001, 01:27 PM
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I think we are reaching saturation point now.
But dont blame free sites, blame TGP's and gallery posters. Money making free site 1.warning site with some softcore banners 2.full page add 3.main page with more banners and ads close to the bottom small link to free pics 4.one gallery with more ads close to the bottom link to other gallery 5.second gallery with more ads. Total 20 to 30 pics Hopefully the surfer clicks banner before he sees single pic and sucks your bandwith. Plus dont make site too nice looking with fancy graphics,ugly sites make more money.Remember your job is not to give your surfer free content but send him to sponsor as soon as possible. That's where I blame TGP's,it seems to me that their job is to give surfer all free porn they want and God forbid to put some blind looking banner on galleries. I started in 97 and i was making 5 times more than today.But I was smart and saved my money and last year I started bussiness in real world.I am doing this cause I like it,not for money anymore. |
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04-06-2001, 02:19 PM
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Killerelf, I think you might be right...Personally I would like to see:
1.All major TGPs and Linklists charge a fee for listings 2.Freehosts become Payhosts or even discounted payhosts with banners. 3.See sponsors quit giving away free content. This way webmasters will have to be more responible and prudent in their site building, because if it won't convert it will cost them money, rather than make it. |
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04-06-2001, 02:48 PM
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赤い靴 call me 202-456-1111
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Would it even be possible to bring all adult webmasters together, and set standards so that everyone will benefit?
Some sort of union, or coalition? ------------------ [email protected] LeeannOnline.com |
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04-06-2001, 02:55 PM
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YES YES YES YES! we should have a set of rules webmasters should follow so EVERYONE benefits. Just like rules for CJ and CJ2 sites...and if someone doesn't follow and they get cought not following a set of rules they get banned from the community. I'm willing to help to make this happen in anyway that I can... later AzteK -96654832 |
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04-06-2001, 03:16 PM
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04-06-2001, 03:25 PM
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Yes it is. Then how did we set standards for circle jerking sites? so this is possible too |
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04-06-2001, 03:28 PM
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04-06-2001, 03:55 PM
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we all have to make it happen, we are a community.
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04-06-2001, 04:10 PM
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My 2 cents . I think one way to eliminate some fly by night webmasters is for sponsors to charge a $1 fee payable by credit card to webmasters that want to promote there site . This way they know that they are giving there free content to a adult !
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04-06-2001, 04:18 PM
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you got less chance of me parting with my CC details than my home mail addy over the net
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04-06-2001, 10:28 PM
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Actuall Jan & Feb were my best months ever, so I'm not seeing any declines.
And don't worry, a large percentage of "new" webmasters will give up right after they realize there's actually work involved it this.  |
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04-06-2001, 10:46 PM
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Warphead
You are right, trouble is 10 give up and 20 start. Every partner program around gives the idea that you can make lots of easy dollars, perhaps they should re-write their ads tell the truth and let the dedicated ones get on with the job. Just imagine how many porn seekers click the paysite webmasters link and get sucked in by the $$$ info. Perhaps internet porn sellers and promoters should be licenced along with a set age limit for holding such a licence. But what about all the East side countries who are supplying us with so many cheats and scam artists, what do we do with them. [This message has been edited by Susan (edited 04-06-2001).] |
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04-06-2001, 11:04 PM
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Too many webmasters is not the problem.
Traffic takes manual work. That's what webmasters do, gain traffic. Make the pie bigger. For sure it's not too many webmasters. A surfer doesn't know how many webmasters their are or even how many websites. I don't see what difference it makes in the number of webmasters. Cause their are more people now on the net now, then before when their was less webmasters. Peace, Pete Dogg ------------------ Daily Naked Free Auto Updating Top Referrer Lists |
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04-06-2001, 11:16 PM
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Pete Dogg
Never really gave internet growth a thought, I wonder what the ratio is for new web users with potential porn buying power over new porn webmasters. I know the net growth figures are scary so the point you have just made is very relevant. Perhaps porn growth is ahead of net user growth. |
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04-07-2001, 01:23 AM
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wizzo is so right about the free content that sponsors give away. (Yet without any, perhaps I would not have made my first site, learned from my mistakes, continued, and finally made money for me and them. Now I can buy my own content, my own hosting and bandwith, I have my own traffic and becomming more and more independant.)
Take this site for instance, with only 15 pictures http://www.sweetyoungbabes.net, I paid 55$ for the set, so I'm aint inclined in putting them the best pink shots and the juicy ones. If they want them, they can go to http://www.digital-babes.com and pay for *value added* for their experience. (Very big pics, very nice shots, full 118 pics of the set, video of the girls making love). This is all nice and works until you find Joe Thief who will steal the entire content of your paysite, post it to let say alt.binary.pictures.digital-babes and alt.binary.pictures.digitalbabes.repost and after that the entire picture sets make it to free host or which ever. Then it starts hurting everybody. I haven't made up my mind about those tough: http://www.smutserver.com/babes/highquality/dreams.htm or http://highquality.allpuresex.com/door.htm or http://www.smutserver.com/babes/highquality/blb.htm http://www.adults-house.com/highquality/lbody.htm or http://www.smutserver.com/babes/highquality/body.htm or http://www.lightningfree.com/1/naughty/girlfriends.htm or http://www.smutserver.com/babes/highquality/bl.htm bah, why not get all your porn here huh? http://ss9.sexshare.com/~mainindex/archives.htm which leaves me puzzled as to how I will pull my credit card after hitting a bookmark there. Yet it's slow, unfriendly and there is no "value added". Free host services are NOT the problem. (There was the same debate about Geocities , Tripod, AngelFire back then, saying who would pay for hosting when you have services free like them) But what hurts more the entire industry is the type of stunt VividVideo pull on me yesterday when I made a mistake in their membership sign-up form. Redirection to a dialer which I fell for(I can just imagine Joe Newbie). That left a very bad taste in my mouth. Espacially since I wanted to pay 40$ to access thier "value added" membership site. ------------------ wiZd0m [This message has been edited by wiZd0m (edited 04-07-2001).] I had to edit this message often to corect the links, we all know to well what hapens on free host when you hit a 404 [This message has been edited by wiZd0m (edited 04-07-2001).] |
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04-07-2001, 02:22 AM
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Nice to know people can afford to give away pics like these, and not a mark in sight.
http://teenpetite.net/tgp/tgp36/tgpc.htm Makes me wonder. |
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04-07-2001, 05:27 AM
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I heard on webmaster radio that (i believe it was) SexTracker was working on a free host that can check if the content is legal or not, i think that that will make a big difference for all of us...
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04-08-2001, 01:33 AM
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Thought everybody might want to see what I dug up.
Internet Growth. <a href="http://www.nua.ie/surveys/how_many_online/world.html"> (Nua Internet Survey)</a> # of People Online World Wide: july 1998 129.5 ml july 1999 185.2 ml july 2000 359.8 ml - - - - - - - - - - - Adult Sites <a href="http://www.avnonline.com/200005/corecontents/cc0500_03.shtml"> (From May 2000 AVN Online Estimations provided by Flyin' Croc. They are probably most accurate with # of free sites)</a> Free Sites 1996 - 5050 1997 - 22,100 1998 - 43,200 1999 - 155,500 2000 - 280,300 Pay Sites 1996 - 120 1997 - 230 1998 - 650 1999 - 875 2000 - 1100 # of Webmasters 1999 - 50,000 2000 - 40,000 - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- <a href="http://www.thestandard.com/article/display/0,1151,19696-2,00.html"> LEGAL Adult Industry Revenue</a> Online 1997 - 970 Million Dollars 1998 - 1.390 Billion Dollars 1999 - 1.780 Billion Dollars 2000 - 2.260 $Bl (projected) In comparison Forbes, suggests the total Adult Industry - (mags, toys, clubs, etc.) in 1999 pulled in $56 billion |
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04-09-2001, 07:30 PM
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Why can't we set standards?
Why can't we try? If we send no traffic to sites that offer too much free stuff, no will anyone see those pics? What if no one footed the bill for the TGP's? How would they get 100 new galleries a day. Our holy grail is high quality traffic. Shall we go on a quest to find it? ------------------ Daily Naked Free Auto Updating Top Referrer Lists |
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