Greg B

Okay, maybe I'm not up on historical events so maybe you guys who do know the situation in Zimbabwe can hip me. From what I recall, Zimbabwe was invaded by the Dutch and the people there treated like shit for 300+ years. Now that the tide has turned the U.S. is supposed to rescue 4 million of them? Or are the accusations of brutality of the Afrikaners toward the Zimbabweans overblown? What's the real deal in Zimbabwe?

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Americans Must Save White
Afrikaners From Genocide
By Jan Lamprecht
AfricanCrisis.Org
6-18-4

"Afrikaners must be welcomed as political refugees to America." --Jani Allan, Journalist

A top American radio commentator and a South African journalist are calling on Americans to start sponsoring the emigration of white Afrikaner families as political refugees -- to save them from the ethnic cleansing campaign they are being engulfed in under South African president Mbeki's ANC government.

See: http://www.genocidewatch.org/BoersSlain01.htm

This call was made during the Jeff Rense radio program in the US - which has millions of listeners coast-to-coast - on Thursday, June 17. (Note - You can hear this important broadcast by going to the Archives at Rense.com)

The comments were made during Mr. Rense's hour-long interview with South African journalist Jani Allan - who recently fled from the violence there and is now attempting to obtain her green card in the US.

Ms Allan warned that the 4.5 million Afrikaners are being 'ethnically-cleansed' by the Mbeki regime and that their plight was growing increasingly desperate each week.

"More than 15,000 white South Africans have already been slaughtered just since the start of the current American war in Iraq," she pointed out. "That's more than twice as many as the number of Iraqi civilians officially said to have been killed in the war so far."

She warned that SA President Mbeki has "a total obsession with race," that he hates Afrikaner people and that he's obsessed with what he terms "colonial oppression."

Ms Allan pointed out, however, that the Afrikaners aren't colonials -- they are indigenous to South Africa, having been there some 350 years - three and a half CENTURIES - and that they are "totally trapped on the continent of Africa, and have no means of escaping" without the help of America.

Jeff Rense: "America must open its borders to the Afrikaner people. "imagine living in a place over 300 years and then be told that you have no right to live there because of your skin colour. The slaughter of thousands has already commenced and these people must be given political refugee status by the United States."

Miss Allan said the Afrikaners who do manage to flee from the continent with their families find it extremely painful, as they leave behind the only country they have ever known and loved, and in many cases, extended family and other loved ones.

"It is very difficult for an entire family to have to uproot itself and move to a country of which they have no knowledge," she said.

Rense called on his American listeners to contact the US Immigration Service to find out how they could sponsor an Afrikaner family and help legally bring them to the US. He said because of their work ethic and dedication to freedom, Afrikaners would be self-sufficient in no time - unlike most of the 20 plus million illegals who have been permitted and encouraged to invade America by the last two US administration.

"Afrikaners are hard-working people and would not be a liability to their sponsors or the United States," said Rense.

"These people are true political refugees who are being slaughtered because of their ethnic origin," he pointed out.

Miss Allan said there are Americans who have noted the plight of the Afrikaner people and have launched letter-writing campaigns to try and help them, such as Don Pengelly of Texas.

She said she was very moved by a letter he had written her in which he described having attended the funeral of a murdered Afrikaner farm woman and seeing the looks on the faces of her Afrikaner relatives.

"They looked like cattle being taken into a slaughterhouse, with the same stricken looks on their faces. They know they will be next."

Said Allan: "Communism is alive and well and living in Africa, and as a result, Afrikaners are being ethnically-cleansed. They aren't even granted the right to their own small piece of land. The ANC refuses to talk with Afrikaner leaders about creating a homeland for them, not even a tiny piece of desert."

"My heart goes out to the plight of the Afrikaner people. America should open its doors to them, as their suffering is incredible."

Miss Allan also explained that under the ANC's 'Black Economic Empowerment' (BEE) laws, Afrikaners can't even keep their own businesses any more, because owners are being forced to open even family-owned businesses to "black shareholders."

"A business woman wrote me this week that she is now being forced to take black strangers off the street and turn them into co-owners of her family business just to satisfy the demands of BEE."

"I don't see any future for the Afrikaner people - especially due to this 'black economic empowerment' policy of the ANC government."

She also said that crime had gone completely out of control in South Africa, and that there were no safe havens left.

Shortly before she left South Africa for the United States, Allan had been held up at gun-point in Cape town in one of the most upscale, most protected shopping centres in the country. She said her black assailants had put a .44 to her forehead during the robbery.

"Nobody is safe anywhere from the devastating crime wave. People have a defeatist attitude and even wear t-shirts with these horrendous crime statistics printed on the front, but with slogan on the back, "South Africa, I love it..."

Meanwhile, honest journalists in South Africa have no platforms to report the truth, she noted.

She said she was hounded out of her job as a major radio journalist because she asked too many questions. "For instance, I questioned why Mandela has this saint-like status, and I questioned what was happening to the millions of dollars being donated to the Mandela Funds."

"South Africa - just like all of Africa - has now also fallen prey to the one-party state, where no criticism is tolerated against the ruling party at all."

She pointed out that Mbeki wholeheartedly supports the outrageously racist Mugabe doctrine which has announced that all the "whites" must be out of Zimbabwe by 2005.

"That same ethnic cleansing template is also being applied to South Africa. In Zimbabwe, there are now only about 30,000 whites left and most of them can flee to other countries.

"But in South Africa, the 4.5 million Afrikaners are indigenous to the country and are physically trapped on the African continent." And they are being tortured and slaughtered by blacks at a horrible rate.

"My heart goes out to the Afrikaner people who are trapped on the African continent. There must be a way in which Americans can give political asylum to these people."

"There is a silent genocide going on in South Africa." said Ms. Allan.

"There are a few lone voices speaking up against this in other countries. There is, for instance, a woman in Holland who tried to show the video documentary about the black murders of white farm families called 'A Bloody Harvest.'

"She was attacked and demonised by a violent group of left-wing activists and called a right-wing racist."

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Jeff Rense has long been the only high-profile US journalist to consistently cover the tragic, racist downward spiral of Zimbabwe and now South Africa. He has offered to do all he can with his program and highly-respected worldwde internet news site to assist in establishing and helping guide a program to rescue as many Afrikaners as possible by seeing that they are permitted to be sponsored by Americans to emigrate to the US.

"These people are truly political refugees who are being murdered and persecuted at an ever-increasing rate. It's time to act. This kind of compassion is what made America the great nation it once was...and still might be again."

"If anyone doubts what is happening over there, go to www.AfricanCrisis.org and look at the horrific black racist slaughter of white farm famiilies - men, women, children and little babies - for themselves."

He called for immediate legislation to formally declare white Afrikaners political refugees facing certain genocide and establishing a system to immediately allow Americans to personally sponsor their emigration to the US.

He added, "If these were Blacks being slaughtered by Whites, you would see the entire world outraged...but that's not happening because the victims are white."

polish_aristocrat

Even if you were KRL i wouldn't read that much

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Kill the lot.

Repetitive Monkey

Like the article speculates, nobody cares. They're White, you know.

But this anti-White, communist, PC, feminist crap can't go on for much longer. They are concepts driven by greedy losers with a vengance for anybody who "offends" them by striving for excellence instead of being losers like them, and people of intelligence and integrity will dare to stand up to it at some point.

The articles touches on this deeper truth on the following line: "The ANC refuses to talk with Afrikaner leaders about creating a homeland for them, not even a tiny piece of desert."

If they give the Afrikaners a strip of dead desert, they will turn it into a prosperous paradise within two generations, and thereby "offend" and embarrass their hateful adversaries.

Paul Waters

There is pretty much no US investment in Africa, so Bush gives no shit about it at all.

Could he find it on a map?

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twistyneck

I find it hard to believe that blacks could be capable of such savagery. Whoever dreamed this up must be one hell of a racist.

uchase/webpry

backup your statement with an url, please.

sperbonzo

That's true.....lets wait for Canada to do something to help.

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Paul Waters

You may want to read about what happened in Rwanda.

And there was a guy named Idi Amin in Uganda.

Pretty nasty dictator in the Congo.

That is just off the top of my head.

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Phoenix

it is pretty sad....i can feel another race war coming....alot of people feel negatively about white people....alot

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Hard to prove a negative, but go here
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Rich

He was being sarcastic.

The worst currently is the Janjaweed committing genocide in Sudan.

Paul Waters

Show me the US government announcing something like this

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wdsguy

they are payin back the white man for centuries of oppression, can ya blame them?

BVF

I can see that...If you were, you would know that there is a difference between the country of Zimbabwe and the country of South Africa.

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Pleasurepays

and uhmmmm.... what are all these white farmers doing in Zimbabwe in the first place?

ohh... thats right. they showed up one day and, started calling everyone n i g g e r and took the land. i forgot.

payback is a bitch.

sperbonzo

I have friend from South Africa that had to flee to the UK last year after both her aged parents were beaton to death at their farm outside of Johannesburg by local blacks. I've known them for 25 years, and they never bothered anybody, really nice, very kind people actually. They were happened to be born there, and they happened to be white, that's all.



Mind you, I don't think we should grant them asylum. Under that set of circumstances the US would have to grant half of the continent of Africa asylum.

We should do what Kerry says, and wait for the UN to take care of it....

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sperbonzo

Those farmers had been their for many generations, they were born there.
So I guess you won't mind when the Indians come and kill your family, huh?

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Pleasurepays

if white people were the small minority with a long history of oppressing the majority and indians were the majority and there was suddenly and indian president and indian government and indians suddenly started lashing out at white people and killing them while taking back their land and farms,... i deserve to be killed for being too fucking stupid to leave.

darwinism.

sperbonzo

ok....fair enough

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Paul Waters

Maybe, one day, the American Indian will succeed in *payback*

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Pleasurepays

maybe one day you will finally find a cute model and learn how to operate your camera.

Repetitive Monkey

That I'd like to see. As it is, they are looking at complete extinction.

Lycanthrope

Oh man...

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I dont really think that bush really give a damn.

mookienow

The US should focus on the motherland...lets kill all the poor people here first, then go to other countries and kill their people only after we are done here.

Mr Dickovitch

You live in America too dumbfuck.

Lev

I think it is the responsibility of any nation in world and especially the most powerful nation like the U.S. to stop a Genocide. The U.N. stated in 1948 that during a Genocide, countries (especially the ones in the security council) are obligated to intervene. Too bad this was not the case during the Rwandan Genocide, where 1 million people died. I hope the U.S. would not let this be another Rwanda.

Paul Waters

*North America* as in Canada, yes.

And we have committed out attrocities to our native people.

But, at least we have not dismissed them. The Assemby of First Nations has significant political power in Canada.

Have a look

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Melody

We should definitely step in and do something. Bush won't, but we should. And I'm an isolationist as a rule...

As for the Rense link, be wary of anything from his site. He's one can short of a 12 pack.

Incidentally, speaking as a Native American, we have political clout also. Many tribes also have economic clout, which is more important.

Rochard

Took a good look back at history. Seems to me that Europe pretty much had their hands in everything - Asia, Middle East, Africa...

Yet when it goes to shit everyone looks at the US to fix it.

And then we are the evil ones for sticking our noses in it.

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I think we should send food .and thats it.

slavdogg

The interesting fact about South Africa is there were NO people
before whites moved in
all the blacks were imported from other parts of Africa for labor


Maybe countries like Denmark, France and other european countries should let South African whites in, seeing as how their own populations of whites are in decline.

evildick

This thread is useless without pics! OK, maybe not, but here are some pics so you can see what is going on over there.

http://www.africancrisis.org/photos16.asp

pure energy

Why not just BUY the strip of land or ISLAND off South Africa?

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It would take some major organizing, the owner would have to be willing to sell to them, and they'd never be recognized as a sovereign state by most of the Black countries at least. Not to mention that as soon as they buy it, the Blacks may forcefully redistribute it back to Black people.

The ideal solution I think would be for a European nation to give them some sovereign land here. Russia has lots of decent land to spare.

chodadog

Really? These white farmers? And here i was thinking Zimbabwe was colonised long before their time! You can't blame them for being born into the situation. So, do you think native americans have the right to just walk into your house, rape your wife, your children, while forcing you to watch until finally killing them and then you?

Hey, payback's a bitch, right?

You people know nothing of the situation in Zimbabwe. You know nothing of Mugabe's youth army, where he takes ignorant and uneducated children to camps and trains them to be in an unofficial militia that brutalises white people and opponents of his regieme.

You obviously haven't heard the numerous times he's publically told his people that the white man is their enemy.

He's in favour of rapid land redistribution (read: arm a bunch of uneducated sheepish black folk with whatever weapons are handy and point them in the direction of the nearest white owned farm). Oh, did i mention the law he passed last year or the year before banning white farmers from harvesting their crops? This is while 50% of the country is already suffering from starvation, by the way.

So they solve the problem by shutting down white farms or taking them over and running them into the ground because of course they don't use the existing employees (which are most likely black people... no.. you can't use them, they're traitors for working for the white man), instead, they use untrained and unqualified black people who know nothing of farming and then they blame the white man when the crop fails.

Don't try vote him out either. This is no democratic nation. Mugabe's party has such a weak presence in the two major cities of Zimbabwe. Why? Because his intimidation tactics don't work there. But out in rural Zimbabwe, his thugs are remarkably effective. They'll drive into your little village and pick a man at random. They'll break his legs right there in front of you and let you know that in the interest of your health and the health of your neighbours, you should vote for Robert Mugabe.

The man is insane. He only came to power through brutality, and he's only stayed in power through brutality. Yes, it's fucked up what has happened in Africa over the last few hundred years, but it's not the fault of the current white generation, and doing what mugabe is doing solves nothing. He has made things worse for both white people nad his own people.

50% of Zimbabwe is HIV positive. 50% of Zimbabwe is starving. I'm sorry, but facts are facts, these issues were not even issues in Rhodesia. I'm not suggesting we go back to white rule or anything, but jesus christ, pick the right black man for the job.

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chodadog

"This baby was set on fire."

Yeah, because that innocent baby was such an opressive bastard.

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jade_dragon

1) Native Americans numbers are increasing NOT decreasing or so says the sensus I got a hold of. After whites, mexicans and blacks breed themselves into more and more of a homogenous race the indians, jews, asians and arabs will be the purest races on the planet, in my opinion already are. Where do you think blacks get so much body hair and all these white chics with asses came from?!?!?! (saying this in a joking mannor but believe it, it is happening) All American Indians are not on a reservation, but most do have ties to them, family structure is still simular to the past, have many children and cherish the earth, coming from it and returning to it. Even if an American Indian has a child with a non indian the result is the same with blacks or hispanics the child is considered in the numbers of the minority.


2) Africans and African Americans and most blacks in Canada are genetically sub- species of Africans. The lines have long been crossed with europeans. You can see this in muscle structure, teeth, nose skin tone and easiest to see body hair. Africans generally look at blacks in america as a distant relative and only feel a closeness to them generally higher than they feel to other races with high piment. Increasingly Africans dislike African Americans for their cultural differances.

3) payback is a bitch unfortunately and war is still going to happen. Fall back, fight back or leave, those are the options in this type of situation. America pretty much stood still while South Africa fought for democracy and freedom, doing otherwise now would further tarnish its reputation and have it labeled as more racist than it is. What was good for the goose is good for the gander.

4) I would like to see the source of your information on South Africa not being inhabited..... most historians say that Africa/Mesopatamia were the cradles of life, you would think that since life began there, there would have been people spread into the area before a bunch of Europeans decided to inhabit it, but show me where I am wrong please.

5) I live in America, it would not suprise me if the American Indians were hiding their numbers and biding their time. This was their land and it was taken from them, weither we have been here for generations or not, it was their land and if they want to take it by force the government will try to negotiate or fight back to hold the land we took, this is the way of occupation, the way it has been since there was war. Hospitals and medicine reduce death, over centuries this will mean more people which means less land which means differant societies bumping into each other which means fights over land and occupation (china/tibet/hong kong)


While my heart goes out for those who were and will be killed, it is their land and it was taken from them, they have decided now to take it back through force. If the Afrikaners want to stay there bad enough they will fight for it, if not then they need to cut their loses and leave, our laws are our laws and their laws are their laws plain and simple. I do not believe in victims especially when those in power lose that power and vengance is brought against them. If it's to hot, get your ass out the kitchen!

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EviLGuY

LOL.. that was harsh.

pxxx

Hehe, that was too harsh.

pure energy

yikes

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I don't think America or any other country should "rescue" them.

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Pleasurepays

For some reason i was commenting on Zimbabwe... i was just sort of skimming the thread and picked it up.

South Africa is another story all together. I am not saying that killing is ok, revenge killings are ok etc. But Jesus Christ! Look at what white people did to blacks in THEIR OWN COUNTRY in South Africa. I knew a rich guy from Johannesburg who went hunting with my father in Alaska frequently and he could not stop bragging about the fact that he loved shooting blacks that wandered on to his property without permission... and that not only was it fun... it was legal.

So... I should give a fuck that blacks turn around and treat whites just as harsh or harsher than whites did for decades in their own back yard when they finally have the chance to do so? I could care less. It seems to me that a logical person would expect it. If whites don't like being treated like shit or living in fear... Then they should leave. It's that simple. Why become another statistic while bitching and complaining about "rights" and trying to win a losing argument about people who would rather see you dead anyway... and some would say for very good reason.

100's of 1000's of blacks are being butchered in Sudan and thats NOT as important as a couple hundrend whites in South Africa? I guess it's not always about the math.




someone already said it perfectly;

"Fall back, fight back or leave, those are the options in this type of situation."

Phil

Otherwise why bother. Albanians Kosovs has been on drug trafficking list for years and suddenly they become the freedom fighters.. Usama Bin Ladin has been coached by US to fight those viscous Russians. You know, they were WRONG to attack Afghanistan, but you know what ? now is the right time to do so? God bless America..

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In 1937 Hitler made similar statement.

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TheJimmy

without even having to read the shit that I assume will be in this thread...



YES!!!!!!!



those blonde hair'd Dutch chicas are fine...we need to save that p00ty and the people that make it!


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Phil

Oh for Christ?s sakes.. You tell me if a rancher in Texas shoots a poacher in south east Texas it won?t be illegal? It S. Africa those are bushmen.. people with out identity.. with out home. Fucking liberal assholes that think they know what?s going on. Have you been any farther than mexico or Canada?

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chodadog

Who said it's not as important as the situation in Sudan? Sudan is looking like it could be the next Rwanda. Possibly even worse. It's extremely important, but It's not the topic of discussioln and thus, is irrelevant.

To be honest, i think any white person is nuts to stay in south africa. My family got the hell out of Africa because we knew the shit was going to hit the fan, and every white person was going to be put in a shitty position regardless of their opinion of black people. But on the other hand, that is their country too. They are African. They have every right to be there.

I totally support the idea of land redistribution, and so do a lot of white people that live and have lived in Africa. You must understand that it was white people that ended apartheid in south africa and it was white people that made it possible for a black leader *cough* to emerge in Zimbabwe. But the current land redistribution going on in Africa, particularly in Zimbabwe is ridiculous. It is too much, too soon, and it is often carried out with brutal violence.

South Africa is handling the situation a bit better, but they are still trying to do too much too soon, and it's causing a lot of shit.

It's not a problem you can fix in a day, or a year, or even in a decade. It's going to take many years. The way the issues are being handled are making it worse for everybody, including black people.

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Pleasurepays

They ONLY did it because of years of intense international pressure, UN pressure and sanctions... it was not done willingly or for the good of the people. They faught tooth and nail to keep the status quo and lost. Don't make it sound like white people were there doing blacks a lot of favors and were really kind to finally start treating them like human beings.