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TheJimmy · 08-10-2004, 10:47 PM

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Originally posted by Pleasurepays
They ONLY did it because of years of intense international pressure, UN pressure and sanctions... it was not done willingly or for the good of the people. They faught tooth and nail to keep the status quo and lost. Don't make it sound like white people were there doing blacks a lot of favors and were really kind to finally start treating them like human beings.

and it will be a much better place under the new rulers?

puh-fucking-lease...show me a country in Africa that ANYONE in ANY fucking country or fringe of reality would WANT to replicate??

PS: 50 angry ____________ I'm told there are words banned here...

chodadog · 08-10-2004, 10:47 PM

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Originally posted by Pleasurepays
They ONLY did it because of years of intense international pressure, UN pressure and sanctions... it was not done willingly or for the good of the people. They faught tooth and nail to keep the status quo and lost. Don't make it sound like white people were there doing blacks a lot of favors and were really kind to finally start treating them like human beings.

The UN can apply about as much pressure as a squirrel. The most important role in ending apartheid was played by South Africans, both white and black.

Pleasurepays · 08-10-2004, 10:49 PM

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Originally posted by TheJimmy
and it will be a much better place under the new rulers?

puh-fucking-lease...show me a country in Africa that ANYONE in ANY fucking country or fringe of reality would WANT to replicate??

I was addressing his remark that "white people made it possible for them to have a black government"

I have no fucking idea what you are talking about. I am not defending anyone. I could not give a fuck what happens in South Africa and who kills who. I was just saying that it should not come as a huge surprise that blacks want to oppress and kill whites now that they can. Seems very logical to me.

chodadog · 08-10-2004, 10:55 PM

F.W. de Klerk single handedly had a bigger impact on the end of apartheid than the United Nations ever could have had.

By the way. White South Africans didn't want Apartheid to end? I'm sure the National Party didn't want it to end, but you should probably inform yourself of the facts before you open your mouth!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/d...00/2524695.stm

steve90 · 08-10-2004, 10:57 PM

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Originally posted by sperbonzo
That's true.....lets wait for Canada to do something to help.

ya canada and france

Pleasurepays · 08-10-2004, 10:57 PM

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Originally posted by chodadog
F.W. de Klerk single handedly had a bigger impact on the end of apartheid than the United Nations ever could have had.

By the way. White South Africans didn't want Apartheid to end? I'm sure the National Party didn't want it to end, but you should probably inform yourself of the facts before you open your mouth!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/d...00/2524695.stm

you are "more informed" because you did a google search to find some sort of argument?

*yawn*

chodadog · 08-10-2004, 11:00 PM

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Originally posted by Pleasurepays
you are "more informed" because you did a google search to find some sort of argument?

*yawn*

No, because i already knew of the referendum. I already knew that the majority of white people had voted in favour of ending apartheid. Sorry, in future i won't back up my claims with evidence.

TheJimmy · 08-10-2004, 11:01 PM

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Originally posted by Pleasurepays
... it should not come as a huge surprise that blacks want to oppress and kill whites now that they can. Seems very logical to me.

it will also seem logical when the return sentiment is exacted?

...again the circle of violence is rolling...

Pleasurepays · 08-10-2004, 11:01 PM

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Originally posted by chodadog
No, because i already knew of the referendum. I already knew that the majority of white people had voted in favour of ending apartheid. Sorry, in future i won't back up my claims with evidence.

that did not happen over night. i am 34 years old and can remember this issue without my google search bar. it took a long time to strike apartheid down and the whole world was putting pressure on them to do it. it's not like S.A. people just woke up one day and said "oh.. this is some fucked up shit, we need to stop it" before any damage was done.

chodadog · 08-10-2004, 11:05 PM

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Originally posted by Pleasurepays
that did not happen over night. i am 34 years old and can remember this issue without my google search bar. it took a long time to strike apartheid down and the whole world was putting pressure on them to do it. it's not like S.A. people just woke up one day and said "oh.. this is some fucked up shit, we need to stop it" before any damage was done.

There have been white people fighting for the rights of black people in South Africa long before it even became a blip on the UN's radar. South African people don't give a fuck what anybody else thinks. They did what they wanted to do because they thought it was right. There has been white opposition to apartheid since before you were born! Of course it didn't happen overnight, but my point is that it was ultimately africans that decided what happened; not the UN.

TheJimmy · 08-10-2004, 11:23 PM

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Originally posted by Pleasurepays
that did not happen over night. i am 34 years old and can remember this issue without my google search bar. it took a long time to strike apartheid down and the whole world was putting pressure on them to do it. it's not like S.A. people just woke up one day and said "oh.. this is some fucked up shit, we need to stop it" before any damage was done.

very true, they had pressue for quite a while before they gave up that shit...

Melody · 08-10-2004, 11:39 PM

Anyone who assumes someone is racist simply due to the name of the real estate on which he/she was born, is committing the very act they want to think they're condemning. Most white Africans are peaceful folk. What is going on there is terrible to both the white Africans and the silent majority of indigenous Africans. *Absolutely* we should be stepping in and helping. We won't, but we should. We aren't doing anything because they're white, which speaks to the deep problems of racialism in the west. We should also be helping in the Sudan. We're not doing that for racial reasons, too.

>hemselves into more and more of a >homogenous race the indians, jews, >asians and arabs will be the purest >races on the planet, in my opinion

There's no such thing as the "Indian", "Jewish" and "Arab" "races". Jews and many Arabs (except for Persians and a few other examples) are of the same race. They're genetically identical. Indians (East India people) are a phase between African and Asian, with more African than Asian. There's no such thing as a "white" race, there is only a caucasian sub-race that is a mixture of both African and Asian genetics. In other words, we're all mixtures of everything - particularly white people.

We're all just one endless genetic "polyglot" from one extreme to another.

As for Native Americans, there aren't enough full-blood NAs to fit in a 747. The rest of us are mixed heritage. Very few of us have ties to a reservation...most do not. Many tribes have no reservation designation at all.

And the Canadian indigenous folk are no better or worse off than the US ones. I know. I read Council Fires from both sides. We all have the same complaints (which are very similar to the complaints from everyone else).

Pleasurepays · 08-10-2004, 11:57 PM

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Originally posted by chodadog
There have been white people fighting for the rights of black people in South Africa long before it even became a blip on the UN's radar. South African people don't give a fuck what anybody else thinks. They did what they wanted to do because they thought it was right. There has been white opposition to apartheid since before you were born! Of course it didn't happen overnight, but my point is that it was ultimately africans that decided what happened; not the UN.

so your point is something like "Blacks should be thankful for decades of oppression under international observation and be greatful BECAUSE South African whites finally changed their minds before the international community did it for them"

Are you posting from a log cabin in the mountains of Northern Idaho?

chodadog · 08-11-2004, 12:57 AM

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Originally posted by Pleasurepays
so your point is something like "Blacks should be thankful for decades of oppression under international observation and be greatful BECAUSE South African whites finally changed their minds before the international community did it for them"

Are you posting from a log cabin in the mountains of Northern Idaho?

Uhh, no. That is not my point at all. I love how you try to twist my words around, though. What white people have done to black people in Africa in the past is horrendous. However, blaming the current generation of white people for what's happened is ridiculous. Afterall, not only these people not those that were have opressed black people for hundreds of years, these are the people that were trying to end opression of black people by advancing their freedom (ending apartheid, finally allowing black people to vote, etc).

You cannot blame the current generation for the sins of the past, especially when they are trying to right past wrongs.

You say things like "payback's a bitch" in regards to women, children and hardworking farmers being raped, beaten and murdered in the most brutal ways imaginable. If you truly believe that they somehow deserve that, then you are scum.

There are good and decent white people in South Africa that don't deserve the stigma associated with being a white african, that believe in equality and in the rights of black people. The referendum of '92 only furthers that point. If you don't believe that, then you should probably not even bother to reply any longer, because it simply proves how ignorant you are of the situation.

Pleasurepays · 08-11-2004, 02:19 AM

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Originally posted by chodadog
Uhh, no. That is not my point at all. I love how you try to twist my words around, though. What white people have done to black people in Africa in the past is horrendous. However, blaming the current generation of white people for what's happened is ridiculous. Afterall, not only these people not those that were have opressed black people for hundreds of years, these are the people that were trying to end opression of black people by advancing their freedom (ending apartheid, finally allowing black people to vote, etc).

You cannot blame the current generation for the sins of the past, especially when they are trying to right past wrongs.

You say things like "payback's a bitch" in regards to women, children and hardworking farmers being raped, beaten and murdered in the most brutal ways imaginable. If you truly believe that they somehow deserve that, then you are scum.

There are good and decent white people in South Africa that don't deserve the stigma associated with being a white african, that believe in equality and in the rights of black people. The referendum of '92 only furthers that point. If you don't believe that, then you should probably not even bother to reply any longer, because it simply proves how ignorant you are of the situation.

All this stuff is stuff that has happened in my short lifetime... the oppression, the abolishment of apartheid, the complete failure of Johannasburg/South Africa and retribution against white people. Lets not talk about them all like they are events spanning many generations.

did you just get done reading "the good people who kill and the good people who love them"?

Pleasurepays · 08-11-2004, 02:26 AM

i mean of course the events span many generations... but Blacks today experienced all those things. hence, the anger. its not like it all happened 500 years ago and its just stupid to be upset about it.

Kevin2 · 08-11-2004, 04:43 AM

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Originally posted by chodadog
Uhh, no. That is not my point at all. I love how you try to twist my words around, though. What white people have done to black people in Africa in the past is horrendous. However, blaming the current generation of white people for what's happened is ridiculous. Afterall, not only these people not those that were have opressed black people for hundreds of years, these are the people that were trying to end opression of black people by advancing their freedom (ending apartheid, finally allowing black people to vote, etc).

You cannot blame the current generation for the sins of the past, especially when they are trying to right past wrongs.

You say things like "payback's a bitch" in regards to women, children and hardworking farmers being raped, beaten and murdered in the most brutal ways imaginable. If you truly believe that they somehow deserve that, then you are scum.

There are good and decent white people in South Africa that don't deserve the stigma associated with being a white african, that believe in equality and in the rights of black people. The referendum of '92 only furthers that point. If you don't believe that, then you should probably not even bother to reply any longer, because it simply proves how ignorant you are of the situation.

Your wasting your time trying to explain it to pleasurepays boet.

SleazeQueen · 08-11-2004, 09:34 AM

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Originally posted by Pleasurepays
i deserve to be killed for being too fucking stupid to leave.

darwinism.

The problem is that a lot of people did leave and now are being sent back my INS. I live in a very small, fairly upscale community. We have a couple working at a local store that fled Africa. They are now being denied assylum because of some loop hole in the Patriot Act or some bullshit. They were not part of the problem and they were forced out of the country they grew up in, but now they are going to have to go back and face death because nobody in DC can figure out what a terrorist looks like.

08-10-2004, 10:55 PM	#54
chodadog Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 9,736	F.W. de Klerk single handedly had a bigger impact on the end of apartheid than the United Nations ever could have had. By the way. White South Africans didn't want Apartheid to end? I'm sure the National Party didn't want it to end, but you should probably inform yourself of the facts before you open your mouth! http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/d...00/2524695.stm __________________ 26 + 6 = 1

08-10-2004, 11:39 PM	#62
Melody Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The Democratic Blue States of America Posts: 130	Anyone who assumes someone is racist simply due to the name of the real estate on which he/she was born, is committing the very act they want to think they're condemning. Most white Africans are peaceful folk. What is going on there is terrible to both the white Africans and the silent majority of indigenous Africans. Absolutely we should be stepping in and helping. We won't, but we should. We aren't doing anything because they're white, which speaks to the deep problems of racialism in the west. We should also be helping in the Sudan. We're not doing that for racial reasons, too. >hemselves into more and more of a >homogenous race the indians, jews, >asians and arabs will be the purest >races on the planet, in my opinion There's no such thing as the "Indian", "Jewish" and "Arab" "races". Jews and many Arabs (except for Persians and a few other examples) are of the same race. They're genetically identical. Indians (East India people) are a phase between African and Asian, with more African than Asian. There's no such thing as a "white" race, there is only a caucasian sub-race that is a mixture of both African and Asian genetics. In other words, we're all mixtures of everything - particularly white people. We're all just one endless genetic "polyglot" from one extreme to another. As for Native Americans, there aren't enough full-blood NAs to fit in a 747. The rest of us are mixed heritage. Very few of us have ties to a reservation...most do not. Many tribes have no reservation designation at all. And the Canadian indigenous folk are no better or worse off than the US ones. I know. I read Council Fires from both sides. We all have the same complaints (which are very similar to the complaints from everyone else).

08-11-2004, 02:26 AM	#66
Pleasurepays BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I live in a pile of boogers Posts: 11,913	i mean of course the events span many generations... but Blacks today experienced all those things. hence, the anger. its not like it all happened 500 years ago and its just stupid to be upset about it.