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Old 05-09-2004, 11:53 PM   #201
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no, it happened a week or tweo ago in Iraq . . . . you missed the news? pictures of them hanging 3 bodies off the bridge? Come on Dig, your memory is usually better than that
Hanging the bodies of highly paid, armed Blackwater mercenaries off a bridge you mean.
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Old 05-09-2004, 11:54 PM   #203
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I love reading the posts from the "holier than thou" crowd! And after reading your post, I'm totally convinced that this country is better off having you HATE the U.S. as opposed to being one of it's supporters! Why? Because you do not know how to make one cogent argument!

I submit the following to prove my argument:
You of course realize that anyone that gave a fuck would be able to find just as irrational, arrogant and ignorant posts made by pro-war people? You can see whatever you like to see. Selective vision is a bliss.
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Old 05-09-2004, 11:56 PM   #204
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Meanwhile Miramax wont release MOVIES that bad mouth Bush.

There are war protests here in Calif, no one sees them or cares.

Somehow I doubt no matter who cares and how much, we dont really have a say in this.
It seemed that way oh so very much during Viet Nam. Especially during 1967 through the first part of 1968. No matter how many protests, etc. that took place, it didn't look like Johnson and co. would ever bend.

But then, suddenly something happened. Johnson did not seek re-election thanks mostly to the very real anti-war sentiment in the country. And to this day, I honestly think if Bobby Kennedy had not been assassinated, we would have been out of Viet Nam a lot earlier and with much less loss of life.

But the point here is to NEVER GIVE UP! People do make a difference even when it seems like it's an impossible task.
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Old 05-09-2004, 11:58 PM   #205
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no, it happened a week or tweo ago in Iraq . . . . you missed the news? pictures of them hanging 3 bodies off the bridge? Come on Dig, your memory is usually better than that
the dragging pictures were from Somalia, and as an American, I find it offensive that conservatives want to tell us that it's ok to torture and kill people because Saddam Hussein did it. We act according to a higher standard. If you don't think more of your country than that, you need to move to fucking North Korea so you can live under a govt. run by people with your way of thinking.

Shouldn't you be out looking for a confucy thread?
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Old 05-10-2004, 12:00 AM   #206
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You of course realize that anyone that gave a fuck would be able to find just as irrational, arrogant and ignorant posts made by pro-war people? You can see whatever you like to see. Selective vision is a bliss.
Show just ONE post where I'm pro-war then!
Show one post where I've supported someone who post a pro-war message!

Yes, I have selective vision. I tend to be able to support the things I say and SEE!
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When you stop foaming at the mouth Centurion, read the Bill of Rights to find out why the Patriot Act is wrong, then read the Geneva Convention to find out why torturing prisoners is wrong.

Then go shoot yourself in the fucking head, because as a conservative nothing you read or hear will make an impression on you and you'll always just be a really bad person, basically.
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If you think America is not outraged by all of this then you totally have your head up your ass!

Read all the posts in this thread, on this website..on others, read the newspapers..see the news reports on television!

I don't mind honest criticism of this country but it gets DAMN OLD when so many of you make posts that makes it look like ALL Americans are lock step in stride with this Administration or any of the idiots that do things on their own!

Don't tell us to wake up..we've been awake longer than you've been alive!
actually never mind, Centurion, you're not a conservative, you're just... confused I guess. I don't know who the fuck you're mad at.
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Show just ONE post where I'm pro-war then!
Show one post where I've supported someone who post a pro-war message!

Yes, I have selective vision. I tend to be able to support the things I say and SEE!
Did I say you were pro war? I didn't include you anywhere in my post, as I haven't paid attention to what you post or not. That was a generalized reply.
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Old 05-10-2004, 12:07 AM   #210
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actually never mind, Centurion, you're not a conservative, you're just... confused I guess. I don't know who the fuck you're mad at.
I was going to say! lol!

Never never have been accused of being a conservative or confused before.
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I was going to say! lol!

Never never have been accused of being a conservative or confused before.
I beg your forgiveness. Being falsely labeled a conservative is slander indeed ;)
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I think arabs have a natural fear of dogs. I don't know why. But every time I order a pizza, I have to pass the money under the door or something. As my dog barks every time our doorbell rings (not an angry bark), they are absolutely fucking terrified. It's the same thing even if it's a different guy delivering the pizza. 100% of pizza delivery guys are arabs though.

I'm not kidding, even if this post seems like a joke I think they do have some sort of natural fear..and you can see that the guy in the pic is absolutely horrified.

Sad. [/B]
Haha at the natural fear of dogs. One time a pizza man came to the dog and my dog got their before me and bark (duh!). Well, when I openned the door my dog was sitting there waiting to get her piece of pizza. Doesn't the pizza man run, of course provoking my dog to run after him to get the pizza. The guy was soo damn scared when I called my dog off, that he was shaking when I gave him the money.

But on the serious side, it is very very sad what happened there. I do not agree with any country going to kill other people from an another country, in their own damn homes, never mind torturing them.

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Old 05-10-2004, 12:19 AM   #213
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I beg your forgiveness. Being falsely labeled a conservative is slander indeed ;)
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I'm sure I'll screw this "memory" up..but that reminded me of the old take off on Nixon's re-election "Re-elect Nixon! Don't change Dicks in the middle of a good screw!"
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Hey genius, these pics were not taken in US
Hey DickHead I never said they were, so
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they're lucky i wasn't in charge of torturing

Why? What would you do?
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Haha at the natural fear of dogs. One time a pizza man came to the dog and my dog got their before me and bark (duh!). Well, when I openned the door my dog was sitting there waiting to get her piece of pizza. Doesn't the pizza man run, of course provoking my dog to run after him to get the pizza. The guy was soo damn scared when I called my dog off, that he was shaking when I gave him the money.

But on the serious side, it is very very sad what happened there. I do not agree with any country going to kill other people from an another country, in their own damn homes, never mind torturing them.

MonikaMaple

Military and Police Trained K-9 Attack Dogs are about as scary as it gets. My Shepherds were all trained to that level and before you can do that you have to wear a sleeve and take some bites so you know the power you're about to instill into your dogs.

I had to take a full charge and bite from a huge Rottweiler. He was about 50 ft. from me when the handler gave the attack command. Big fucker was salivating at me like he knew I was gonna piss in my pants the moment the handler released him.

The charge itself was as scary as the anticipation of how bad the bite would hurt. The look in the dog's eyes was ominous and terrifying. It was like he was looking at me like I was his dinner.

When the handler let go and he darted towards me, I couldn't believe the speed this dog charged me at. He was on my arm so fast I didn't even have time to react at all. Once he clamped on my arm it felt like my arm was being crushed under the weight of an 18 wheeler truck. I thought with the sleeve I wouldn't feel much, but the bite and grip power is unreal. I can't even imagine what it must be like without the leather sleeve.

He twisted and took me down on the ground in a couple seconds. I'll never forget that "Owned" look that Rottie gave me either once I stopped trying to resist and started yelling for the handler to get him the fuck off of me.

My arm was all red and swollen for a couple days and it took about month for all the pain from the crush of the bite to stop hurting.

I think the worst part of this is the Iraqi guy was butt naked. That means he was probably worried as hell the dog was going to go for his weenie and eat it like a hot dog.
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Why? What would you do?
Shove glass rods in their penises then shatter them with a sledge hammer?

balls on an anvil, sledge hammer, then have their friends eat the still pulsating balls then hold up a sign that says 'i got balls'?

draw and quarter them like on Faces of Death

impale them with bamboo and watch it expand, ripping them apart

electric table-saw and cut down all their teeth in half while being held down?

line them all up and inject them with HIV infected blood

etc
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you are lacking imagination if you think this... see my post above... that was 30 seconds of thought on 1.5 hours of sleep
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Shove glass rods in their penises then shatter them with a sledge hammer?

balls on an anvil, sledge hammer, then have their friends eat the still pulsating balls then hold up a sign that says 'i got balls'?

draw and quarter them like on Faces of Death

impale them with bamboo and watch it expand, ripping them apart

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Nice. I can sense the emphaty and kindness in you.
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So let me get this straight, you think we're being too hard on Bush. How badly does he have to fuck up the US in order for us to put him under a microscope and take a look at his agenda? He's flushed our economy down the toilet with this unjustified war, and he's made America look like fools internationally.

And then let's address the issue of "painting someone as a saint". I think this applies more to the religious right than to anyone on the left, since you paint ANYONE who slaps a fish on their bumper as a saint. No joke. Just look at all of the churches, religious leaders and right wing extremists screaming "God Bless America, God Bless George W". Or how about "Vote for Morality". Since when is waging war on an innocent country the "moral" thing to do? Don't talk about painting someone as a saint until you realize that the right wing is more guilty of it than anyone.


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The thing that makes me leary of some people, all they care about is political agenda. All they care about is getting Bush out of office, and pitch a fit even if he farts the wrong way. Then once Kerry gets in, they will paint him as a saint and look the other way no matter what he does. That kinda thinking scares me.


I look at things from a more rational middle of the road view. I think most people really cant understand the underlying issues of the western world vs the extremist arab world. But just want to bitch for political reasons and not really care about the issues.

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Defense Department last year approved interrogation techniques for use at the Guantanamo Bay prison in Cuba that include forcing inmates to strip naked and subjecting them to loud music, bright lights and sleep deprivation, the Washington Post reported on Saturday.

The techniques were approved in April 2003 and require approval from senior Pentagon officials and in some cases Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, the paper reported on its Web site, citing unnamed defense officials.

It cited a hahahahahahahaha outlining 20 procedures that require interrogators to justify the harshest questioning techniques as a "military necessity," quoting an official said to possess the hahahahahahahaha. Some techniques require "appropriate medical monitoring," the report said.

Similar methods have been approved for use on detainees in Iraq with links to terror or insurgent groups, though it was not clear whether they were approved for use at the Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad, the Post said.
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If you think America is not outraged by all of this then you totally have your head up your ass!

Read all the posts in this thread, on this website..on others, read the newspapers..see the news reports on television!

I don't mind honest criticism of this country but it gets DAMN OLD when so many of you make posts that makes it look like ALL Americans are lock step in stride with this Administration or any of the idiots that do things on their own!

Don't tell us to wake up..we've been awake longer than you've been alive!
Get mad dude.

Get really mad.
Maybe you will get up from your desk and do somthing about it.

hahahahaha your congressmen? Probably not.
Tend Anti War rallies? Probably not.
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'US soldiers abused young girl at Iraqi prison'

The US military has said it will investigate claims by a former inmate of Abu Ghraib prison that a girl as young as 12 was stripped and beaten by military personnel.

Suhaib al-Baz, a journalist for the al-Jazeera television network, claims to have been tortured at the prison, based west of Baghdad, while held there for 54 days.

Mr al-Baz was arrested when reporting clashes between insurgents and coalition forces in November.

He said: "They brought a 12-year-old girl into our cellblock late at night. Her brother was a prisoner in the other cells.

"She was naked and screaming and calling out to him as they beat her. Her brother was helpless and could only hear her cries. This affected all of us because she was just a child.

The allegations cannot be verified independently but Mr al-Baz maintains psychological and physical violence were commonplace in the jail.

He also claims that a father and his 15-year-old son were tortured in front of his cell.

He said: "They made the son carry two jerry cans full of water. An American soldier had a stick and when he stopped, he would beat him.

"He collapsed so they stripped him and poured cold water over him. They brought a man who was wearing a hood. They pulled it off. The son was shocked to see it was his father and collapsed.

"When he recovered, he now saw his father dressed in women's underwear and the Americans laughing at him.

Mr al-Baz claims the guards at the prison were keen to take photographs of the abuse and turned it into a competition.

"They were enjoying taking photographs of the torture. There was a daily competition to see who could take the most gruesome picture.

"The winner's photo would be stuck on a wall and also put on their laptop computers as a screensaver.
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Military and Police Trained K-9 Attack Dogs are about as scary as it gets. My Shepherds were all trained to that level and before you can do that you have to wear a sleeve and take some bites so you know the power you're about to instill into your dogs.

I had to take a full charge and bite from a huge Rottweiler. He was about 50 ft. from me when the handler gave the attack command. Big fucker was salivating at me like he knew I was gonna piss in my pants the moment the handler released him.

The charge itself was as scary as the anticipation of how bad the bite would hurt. The look in the dog's eyes was ominous and terrifying. It was like he was looking at me like I was his dinner.

When the handler let go and he darted towards me, I couldn't believe the speed this dog charged me at. He was on my arm so fast I didn't even have time to react at all. Once he clamped on my arm it felt like my arm was being crushed under the weight of an 18 wheeler truck. I thought with the sleeve I wouldn't feel much, but the bite and grip power is unreal. I can't even imagine what it must be like without the leather sleeve.

He twisted and took me down on the ground in a couple seconds. I'll never forget that "Owned" look that Rottie gave me either once I stopped trying to resist and started yelling for the handler to get him the fuck off of me.

My arm was all red and swollen for a couple days and it took about month for all the pain from the crush of the bite to stop hurting.

I think the worst part of this is the Iraqi guy was butt naked. That means he was probably worried as hell the dog was going to go for his weenie and eat it like a hot dog.

What ELSE do you do for fun?
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'US soldiers abused young girl at Iraqi prison'

The US military has said it will investigate claims by a former inmate of Abu Ghraib prison that a girl as young as 12 was stripped and beaten by military personnel.

Suhaib al-Baz, a journalist for the al-Jazeera television network, claims to have been tortured at the prison, based west of Baghdad, while held there for 54 days.

Mr al-Baz was arrested when reporting clashes between insurgents and coalition forces in November.

He said: "They brought a 12-year-old girl into our cellblock late at night. Her brother was a prisoner in the other cells.

"She was naked and screaming and calling out to him as they beat her. Her brother was helpless and could only hear her cries. This affected all of us because she was just a child.

The allegations cannot be verified independently but Mr al-Baz maintains psychological and physical violence were commonplace in the jail.

He also claims that a father and his 15-year-old son were tortured in front of his cell.

He said: "They made the son carry two jerry cans full of water. An American soldier had a stick and when he stopped, he would beat him.

"He collapsed so they stripped him and poured cold water over him. They brought a man who was wearing a hood. They pulled it off. The son was shocked to see it was his father and collapsed.

"When he recovered, he now saw his father dressed in women's underwear and the Americans laughing at him.

Mr al-Baz claims the guards at the prison were keen to take photographs of the abuse and turned it into a competition.

"They were enjoying taking photographs of the torture. There was a daily competition to see who could take the most gruesome picture.

"The winner's photo would be stuck on a wall and also put on their laptop computers as a screensaver.
That's just wrong.. and falls well within the boundaries of being 'evil' .. If proven true i'm sure there will be some sick, rotten souls that come out to defend thsi behaviour.

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That's just wrong.. and falls well within the boundaries of being 'evil' .. If proven true i'm sure there will be some sick, rotten souls that come out to defend thsi behaviour.

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Get mad dude.

Get really mad.
Maybe you will get up from your desk and do somthing about it.

hahahahaha your congressmen? Probably not.
Tend Anti War rallies? Probably not.
A desk jockey telling me what to do while trying to taunt me.
Hmm..

What is your point? You're not saying ANYTHING.
You've told me absolutely NOTHING I already knew.
And if it's some sort of reverse psychology, you're very bad at it.

Oh, and here's a bit of a clue for you, some people actually are involved in the process, changing the process, or both, and do a lot more than post "heroic" type of messages on websites like you do.

Maybe practicing a bit more of what you preach is in order here.
And you definitely need to know the person you are addressing a little bit better before you say anything in specific like this.
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What ELSE do you do for fun?
LOL, actually that got to be a fun thing. Even though the first bite was a nasty one, my cop buddy who trained my dog and a couple LAPD K-9 guys would all take our dogs out at night to some of the parks in the valley and do hide and seek training together. One guy would sleeve up and go and hide, then we'd have the dogs track, find and hold (not bite).

Then I started to do volunteer work for a German Shepherd Rescue Group in the Valley. There'd be about 25 to 30 Sheps there at any one time and I and other volunteers who were able to handle K-9 dogs would go over and walk them for the old lady who ran the place.

I do a lot of stuff for animal rights as you can imagine.
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LOL, actually that got to be a fun thing. Even though the first bite was a nasty one, my cop buddy who trained my dog and a couple LAPD K-9 guys would all take our dogs out at night to some of the parks in the valley and do hide and seek training together. One guy would sleeve up and go and hide, then we'd have the dogs track, find and hold (not bite).

Then I started to do volunteer work for a German Shepherd Rescue Group in the Valley. There'd be about 25 to 30 Sheps there at any one time and I and other volunteers who were able to handle K-9 dogs would go over and walk them for the old lady who ran the place.

I do a lot of stuff for animal rights as you can imagine.
Well...

Some guys are into cars..some are into guns..

You're just a beast I guess!

(Just kidding! I don't want to open my door tomorrow morning to get the paper to find a snarling rotweiler with a note around his neck saying: "From KRL!")
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May I say... I dont like human nature... someone still wondering why?!
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I can't understand anyone that would defend this. It's indefensible.
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Old 05-10-2004, 03:17 AM   #238
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tree hugger...

war is hell. deal with it.
I did 'deal with it', I told people that condone this behaviour to go fuck themselves.

There's a new game of 'catch-up' called 'evolution' you may want to learn how to play.
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Old 05-10-2004, 03:37 AM   #239
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What a dumbass remark
1) Do YOU know what they do to US prisoners?
2) Your invading their country, of course they're going to fight
What would you do if china invaded your country? Move to canada?
The 2nd point is most probably. Today China has very strong (and big!) army. So who knows that will happen tomorrow...
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fuckin disgraceful fucks. to the fuckwits saying im sure the iraqis have done worse....its not their fuckin job to be in control of the americans. the americans are meant to be in control of them in as peaceful way as possible. these hahahahas need to be shot in the head.
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Just a general side note:
There sure are a lot of "peace loving" people here that like starting confrontations.

In order for evil to win, all that is necessary is for good people to do nothing.

Peace lovers have no choice but to confront the hatred and the war-monger.

Pain in the ass
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So the United States of America should stupe down to everyone elses level, huh?

And for the record, don't you guys remmeber the 7 American prisoners that were captured when the war started...They were not even closely treated in this matter by the Iraqi army.

What is happening here is a disgrace to our country.
Well put !!
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Who in this post has been to a war himself?

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war is hell. deal with it.
Said the bitch sitting safe and sound at home behind his computer.
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After hearing so much new information I decided to do a little more research on this whole subject. This IS more fucked up than I thought.

Rather than just spew out "we rule" "you suck" comments, I urge anyone interested, regardless of what stance you currently have, to read the entire Taguba report.

This was labled "secret", but Yahoo has a link to it, which is fucked up in itself, so I'm assuming it has since been declassified, but anyway...

one little excerpt:

(U) The 800th MP (I/R) units did not receive
Internment/Resettlement (I/R) and corrections specific
training during their mobilization period. Corrections
training is only on the METL of two MP (I/R)
Confinement Battalions throughout the Army, one
currently serving in Afghanistan, and elements of the
other are at Camp Arifjan, Kuwait. MP units supporting
JTF-GTMO received ten days of training in detention
facility operations, to include two days of unarmed
self-defense, training in interpersonal communication
skills, forced cell moves, and correctional officer
safety. (ANNEX 19)

No specialists there. Those that were there had 10 days of training. 2 of which were spent teaching them how to cover their own asses...

I believe the french fry guy at McDonalds gets more OJT.

A push button officer and 2 civilians seem to be at the crest of it all. Grand.

I still support our "troops", but god damn, what the hell happened to the "leadership"?
I pat you on the back for doing some research into your post. But I am left with one question.

In the United State do you have to specificaly train people to not spit, beat, abuse, torture, etc. Is it just me or am I wrong in my belief that it`s common sense to no do things like this.

Pain in the ass.
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I love reading the posts from the "holier than thou" crowd! And after reading your post, I'm totally convinced that this country is better off having you HATE the U.S. as opposed to being one of it's supporters! Why? Because you do not know how to make one cogent argument!

I submit the following to prove my argument:

1)"George Bush is representive of the mind, will and beliefs of the majority of the American people." <--Wow! Off by a mile! He wasn't even the choice of the MAJORITY of Americans who voted in 2000! And that was even BEFORE the current mess he got himself into!

2)"America is a nation built on hate and ignorance. And as such at its core is savagery. It is truely an evil country."

Yeah..RIGHT! That's why this country has poured more foreign aid and help into other countries since it's founding than ALL other countries COMBINED! That's why so damn many immigrants fight desperately to become legal or ILLEGAL citizens/immigrants of this country. Evil is a state where there is NO sorrow for acts that it commited! In the United States, we constantly wrestle with out "demons" and make that VERY PUBLIC! (Just look at our media!)

3)"We are witnessing the beginning of the fall of the United States. The terrorists have already won. They no longer need to take hostile and horrific action against the USA. They just need to feed into its hatred and it will collapse on its own."

Where the fuck are we supposed to FALL? Into the Atlantic or the Pacific ocean? Damn dude..you really do NOT have a way with words! And I'm glad to hear that there will be no more terrorist attacks since we have been "defeated". Um..just what DID the terrorists win then btw? And what exact situation must take place before it can be officially announced the US has FALLEN?

4)"In the end it is America that now strikes terror into the hearts of the world."

And you saved the best for last. After telling all of us the United States was crumbling and the terrorists need no longer worry about us because we are NOTHING..you turn around and post the above?

Make up your mind..either we're HISTORY or something to be FEARED!
I need not say another word. Your rebuttle speaks volumes and furthers everything I stated.

Pain in the ass
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