It's not that hard if you know the right people.

Exactly. If you're a pimp like me it shouldn't be hard to get.

no.

A very popular rave drug ;)

You never used a psychadelic for introspection or theraputic purposes?

Lot's of people use em for that purpose. Consider it a tool to step out of your shoes and see things from a different perspective.

no.

It sounds like you have(had) a substance abuse problem and you abuse one thing after another. If I am wrong I apologize, but that is incredibly abusive and destructive behavior. Not all, in fact most, are not like that.

You are an idiot

it used to be good, say, years ago; now it seems that it isn't worth shit, or maybe i've been unlucky!

Was that person on any anti-depressants? the LD50 of mdma is insanely high and it sounds like other things exacerbated whatever he took.

I hope you are joking. There is no heroin or cocain in E.

Not true. Pure MDMA is out there.

well whether you choose to believe it or not, that exact scenario is not the exception to the rule. It's a fact of life and the typical pattern for most users. Maybe not this week or next, but eventually that is where it will go. I wasn't unique or special, that's the way it is. Cocaine, (for example) is virtually instantly addictive. If you're using shit like that and telling yourself you've got it under control, you are kidding yourself.

I know people that, to this day, will smoke weed all day long, every day, and throw down a few lines of coke in the evening. Been doing it for 20+ years. And will look you straight in the eye and tell you they have no problem with it.

Sorry to burst the bubble, but if you're smoking weed and doing coke for twenty plus years, you are a fucking addict. Whether you THINK you have it under control or not. Just because you're not spending every other week in jail does not mean it's all good.


but of course, I'm full of shit. Do whatever the hell you wanna do. It's your life and you are free to destroy it at will. :2 cents:

Alot of it is pure MDMA... check out dancesafe.org or pillreports.com

I still wonder whether I've ever actually ingested true LSD, not DOM or any other assorted tryptamine sold to me as LSD. But I will march on!

I mean, up until a few months ago, one could buy 100g of 5-MeO-DIPT and sell it as LSD... or any other "research chemical" in the 5-MeO family for that matter.

For the weed smokers, as a non-smoker (ex smoker, whatever) myself, as well as many other people in this world, have you ever stopped to wonder what it's like to be around someone that's stoned and smoking that shit all the time?

It's like trying to talk to a bowl of fucking Jell-O. They make no sense, they can't follow anything, they're not clever or witty, they're not tuned in to some deeper meaning of themselves....

just Jell-O.

And even though some of my closest friends are heads, when they're stoned, I'd rather they go somewhere else and stare at a wall, because they are of no value to anything else going on at that point.


of course, AS a smoker, (if you are a smoker) you will deny this has any truth to it at all and go on to proclaim all the various wonders of weed.

just to make myself clear here, (and attempt to withdraw myself from this thread once and for all), I'm not telling anyone what they can and can't do. We all make our own decisions.

Just don't lie to yourself in the process. Back when I was doing all that shit, i thought all of it was nothing short of fantastic. And there wasn't a soul on Earth that could have convinced me otherwise.

Things are not "different now".... "that was then, this is now".... "you just had a problem with it, I don't have a problem".... "I'm not like you"..... "you don't understand"..... "I only do it on the weekends, not every day"......

If you're gonna do the shit, at least take off the freaking horse blinders and see it for what it is. Drug addiction.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_ne...037007,00.html

It was billed as the one of the most dramatic warnings the world has ever received over the dangers of ecstasy. A study from one of America's leading universities concluded that taking the drug for just one evening could leave clubbers with irreversible brain damage, and trigger the onset of Parkinson's disease.
The study, published in the eminent journal Science last September, had an immediate impact. Doctors and anti-drug crusaders spoke of a 'neurological time bomb' facing the young. Others suggested that taking one of the tablets was the equivalent of playing Russian roulette with the brain, and demanded tighter 'anti-rave' laws to deal with it.

But today, scientists are facing up to the humiliation of admitting that the stark results they reported in the study were not a breakthrough but a terrible, humiliating blunder.

The study was based on the fact that laboratory monkeys and baboons had a severe reaction to the drug when it was injected in small doses. But it emerged this weekend that the vials of liquid did not contain ecstasy. Instead, the animals received a dose of methamphetamine, or speed - a drug widely known to affect the body's dopamine system. The tubes had somehow been mislabelled by the supplier.

In this week's Science, the scientists will publish a retraction of their original study, reigniting the row over the role of those who investigate ecstasy, as well as the real risks or benefits of the drug.

In academic circles, the mistake is a severe embarrassment to Johns Hopkins University, in Baltimore, Maryland, which attracts millions of dollars of research funding from both government and companies. Questions are already being asked about whether the lead researcher, George Ricaurte, was inherently biased against the drug.

The mistake only came to light when follow-up tests gave conflicting results. The original study reported how two out of 10 animals died quickly after their second or third dose. Six weeks later, the dopamine levels in the surviving animals were down by 65 per cent, leading Ricaurte and his colleagues to conclude that it could provoke the onset of Parkinson's, which is linked to a loss of dopamine-producing cells.

He said at the time: 'It is possible that some of the more recent cases of suspected young-onset Parkinson's disease might be related, but that this link has not been recognised.'

When the study was published last September, a chorus of experts saw it as evidence of drug damage. Professor Colin Blakemore of Oxford University, soon to be the new head of the Medical Research Council, said it provided further evidence that 'ecstasy can be toxic to nerve cells'.

Dr Alan Leshner, chief executive of the American Academy for the Advancement of Science, which publishes the journal, went as far as to describe taking ecstasy as playing 'Russian roulette' with brain function.

He added: 'This study showed that even very occasional use can have long-lasting effects on many different brain systems. It sends an important message to young people - don't experiment with your brain.'

Yesterday, Ricaurte was attempting to put a brave face on the calamity. He is under attack from all sides, and has already been accused of rushing his study into print because Congress was looking at a bill known as the Anti-Rave Act, which would punish club owners who knew that drugs such as ecstasy were being used on their premises.

Ricaurte has denied political bias. He said yesterday that his laboratory made 'a simple human error', adding: 'We're scientists, not chemists.' Asked why the vials of liquid were not checked before being used on the animals, he replied: 'We're not chemists. We get hundreds of chemicals here - it's not customary to check them.'

It is unusual for Science to have to publish a retraction, but that is exactly the right thing to do, according to Joe Collier, professor of medicines policy at St George's Hospital Medical School.

'People must realise that mistakes are made, even by scientists,' said Collier. 'It is embarrassing - a lot of self-questioning will be going on over there - but it's important we learn from this.'

Over the past five years, controversy has raged about the real dangers of ecstasy, a drug which is taken by around a million clubbers in Britain every weekend.

Some studies have suggested that ecstasy has no long-term impact on the levels of the hormone serotonin in the brain, while others have suggested that it leaves clubbers feeling depressed and unable to concentrate.

The controversy is not likely to go away quickly while the scientists themselves are caught up in such a political and academic minefield.

You're right.
But it's not what a large percentage of the people buying the drugs at clubs are getting.
Its cut with so much garbage these days.

Always love Paul for telling it how it is ;-}}

Now if he could just get back into Holland...

:2 cents:
Drug use is a personnal choice!
If you're going to do drugs, be smart and find out about it!
http://www.dancesafe.org/labtesting/

My personnal opinion, there is less arm in enjoying drugs occasionally for fun, than when depending on prescription drugs to start the day, everyday: Prosac, Vicodin, etc...
The number one drug addicition in the US is with prescription drugs. Why do you think the Pharmaceutical industry is the number one industry in the US... and the goverment sponsors it...

you sound freaking paranoid to me.

Drug addicts abuse prescription drugs. The REST of society that use them, depend on them to put their lives back together, ease pain, etc.

I forgot one thing: if you're going to pop e, take 5HTP. You'll save your brain from damage, avoid the next day mild depression and do something healthy for yourself.

Here's the best link I've found for a succesful receipe:
http://www.geocities.com/pemcnal/5htp.htm

I agree with you in principle, but I also think that a majority of people take it for granted that only prescription drugs can help their depression and pains, when the body and mind have a much more powerful potential of healing themselves naturally. For it to work, one has to want to heal him or herself, one has to believe in him or herself, and that's a whole other challenge and discipline.

So you were doing 4+ pills a week?
Thats way too much i know people that did that also they dont roll any more either.

okay, sure.... but how can you, in the same breath, blanket condemn prescription drugs across the board and wrap it up in a neat government conspiracy package?

You can't. Because some things simply cannot be fixed without them. Case in point: A few years ago I came down with a major case of hives. I was put on Prednisone to fix it. All the willpower and positive thinking in the world was not going to get rid of it. Did you know you can DIE from freaking hives? Anyway, Prednisone is a pretty strong steroid. For me, it saved my ass. For others, it is something to be abused.

Carrying this over to illegal drugs, I should also not blanketly condemn them either as I have in the past. For example: Weed. Now, if you have been prescribed pot to help you out with some sort of cancer or cataracts or something, then great... if it's gonna help you, then that's not a problem. But what is the reasoning for the REST of the potheads out there? "well, it's good shit man...." "it doesn't hurt no one man...." "you don't understand man....."

A steaming pile of feces if ya ask me. If you fall into that group, I'm sorry, but you are a drug abuser. Plain and simple.

For the majority of illegal drugs, such as LSD, PCP, Heroin, Ecstasy, Cocaine, etc.... there is a REASON they are illegal. There is a REASON you are not free to buy them off the shelf at freaking Walmart. And it's the same reason you can't buy Vicodine or Novacaine, or Morphine, or anything else that is routinely PRESCRIBED.

Because drug users will abuse the holy fucking shit out of it. Either themselves, or by selling it, or both.

And this is what users fail to comprehend. The only thing they see is someone trying to bring them down, infringe on some imagined freedom, and ruin their good time.

Stick to the legal drugs...14 years on vicidon, down to 3 a day. Broken wrist never healed correctly, surgury fucked it up more, and not going through surgury again.

Would love to respond to your whole reply, but am running out of time. I think we're in violent agreement on most of the topic, although I always stay away from making judgement on other people's choices.
The one thing we do not agree on is the legality and illegality of any drugs. Do some historical research, and you will see that legal terms have often been created to control a flow that cannot be stopped. The forbidden fruits are the ones that taste the best...

Amp... if that's realllly you... glad to see you got your head on straight. :)

Ignore the users. Let them learn the hard way either from an OD, poisoning, getting shot down, or end up in prison for running someone over. The odds are against them.

Thats not my orignal quote, dont get me mixed up in the kaos.

I wouldn't take the pills I get if I wasn't in pain all the time.
Ill supply an xray in a day or too.

Strange, getting out of a bad situation and moving back to Phoenix a few years ago cured my hives. Not kidding at all. Nothing all the prednisone, benadryl shots, claritin, and Vistaril (a prescription anti-anxiety that given in high enough doses acts as an anhistamine) could do. Ask anyone who saw me at the time, hives on about 60% of my body and they were in my mouth as well, the doctor wanted to hospitalize me since he was afraid they were going into my throat and I might asphyxiate before they could get them down.

Drugs are no more or less than what you make of them, as I said, I dont really care what people do to themselves as long as they aren't hurting others -- and yes, I realize that fucking yourself up to the point you become an addict does hurt other people, but that's not my point -- the bottom line as I see it was perfectly proven at breakfast a couple weeks ago... the table next to us was a table of 'addicts' -- all they could talk about was sponsoring, NA, AA, etc... quite clearly, as the one person at their table with some sense pointed out, they had simply tranferred their addictions to the program, nothing was cured in them.

Some people smoke -- I'm guilty -- some people drink -- I'm guilty -- some people do drugs -- hell, I'm 35 and not going to say I've never done any, especially when I was younger -- some people are workaholics -- sometimes I'm guilty -- you name it -- people get used to, and then addicted to certain things in their lives -- be it driving over the speed limit, be it excercising an excessive amount -- let's not forget Jim Fixx, even though he died of a heart attack...

My longwinded point is that it's pretty silly to be throwing stones at other people unless you are living in a concrete bunker and never come up for fresh air.

Shit, I almost forgot my other point.

Do you notice anything about your list of illegal drugs? Ecstasy was patented in 1914 originally, by what I think was a German pharmaceutical company... you can't patent something that is found in nature, like cocaine, heroin, etc...

The drug companies dont want ANY drugs out there that they cannot make a buck off selling. It's the same reason that Ortho went fucking ballistic with developing birth control patches, birth control shots, birth control you name its when their patent on the pill ran out -- they needed something else to make up the revenue once a generic version was available and they didn't have the lock on the market any more...

Can you list the side-effects of this drug? :2 cents:

(just gonna address your main point here)
that's bs Kim, and we both know it. I'm no saint, and I never claimed to be. I've had my share at the drug buffet, and I've drank more than I ever should have. You got people in here bitching that "if you haven't done this or that, you shouldn't have an opinion".... and now you're saying unless you're a virgin born in a bubble that you shouldn't have one.

Both of those are nothing more than attempts to deflect the reality of what is. And they don't work.

And I'm not throwing stones at anyone. I'm simply trying to point out that habitual drug use is a dead end road. Always.

My point on making judgement, is judge yourself for your own actions. Offer your opinion about an individual if asked by that individual.
However, judging others for their own choices as it relates to their private life is nobody's business other than of the individual.
When criticizing others you invade their privacy.
Share you experiences so others can make up their own mind on what to do or not.
I don't give a shit about someone's opinion on me drinking or smoking pot, or abusing any artificial or natural substance, unless like Kimmy says, my affected behavior has a direct impact on others.

check this site: http://www.dancesafe.org
Here's some of the info provided:
WHAT ARE THE EFFECTS?

MDMA is a "mood elevator" that produces a relaxed, euphoric state. It does not produce hallucinations.
MDMA takes effect 20 to 40 minutes after taking a tablet, with little rushes of exhilaration which can be accompanied by nausea. 60 to 90 minutes after taking the drug, the user feels the peak effects.
Sensations are enhanced and the user experiences hightened feelings of empathy, emotional warmth, and self-acceptance.
The effects of 'real' ecstasy subside after about 3-5 hours.
Users report that the experience is very pleasant and highly controllable. Even at the peak of the effect, people can usually deal with important matters.
The effect that makes MDMA different from other drugs is empathy, the sensation of understanding and accepting others.

IS ECSTASY ADDICTIVE?

Ecstasy is not physically addictive. However, the drug can often take on great importance in people's lives, and some people become rather compulsive in their use. Taken too frequently, however, MDMA loses its special effect.
MDMA releases the brain chemical serotonin, elevating mood and acting as a short-term antidepressant. Compulsive users may be unconsciously trying to self-medicate for depression. Effective treatments for depression are available with the proper diagnosis by a qualified physician.

BE CAREFUL

Ecstasy is illegal and a conviction for possession can carry long prison sentences.
Frequent or high doses have been linked to neurotoxic damage in laboratory animals. It is still unknown whether such damage occurs in humans or, if it does, whether this has any long-term, negative consequences.
Some people experience depression after taking MDMA. This is caused by MDMA's action on certain brain chemicals.
There have been some deaths associated with MDMA. Usually these have been a result of heatstroke from dancing for long periods of time in hot clubs without replenishing lost body fluids.
Much of what is sold as "ecstasy" on the black market actually contains other drugs, some of which can be more dangerous than MDMA, like PMA, speed, DXM and PCP.
Mixing ecstasy with alcohol or other drugs increases the risk of adverse reactions.

LOL. funniest shit all thread.

braincell holocaust & severe psychological trauma.. lol. I thought acid was going to be such a walk in the park after all the shrooms i'd had previously..

hugs

LOL, when I was in my teens, it was my drug of choice, shrooms paled by comparison.

But when you grow up and have kids, you start to change your mind about what's important and what's not :)