they're full of shit. I used to say the same crap back when I was doing the stuff, but I guarantee you LSD never fucking enriched anything about anyone's life.

Having a good high and enjoying it is not the same as 'enriching your life'. But when you're on drugs, it seems like they are one and the same.

x eats away at your brain

fuck that!

I would like to know your sources on these 4 points. Please point me to some info. From everything I have read this isn't the case.

In terms of the holes in your brain. If your reffering to the postcard of a brain split down the middle with one side being your brain and the other being your brain on X. It is a missleading picture, they used to and still do hand that out to scare people. The picture makes it look like there are actually holes in your brain when in fact there are not. That picture is from reading the seritonin (sp?) levels of a normal brain and then a brain the day after taking X. They did a good explination of that picture on the ABC show "ecstacy rising". If you are reffering to something else please point me to some info on it as I would be most intersted in reading about it.

The next 2 points I'm interested in becasue I have NEVER heard that before and would be interesting reading.

As for your last point I'm asking about I find it hard to understand... Ecstacy is 1 chemical.. it's MDMA it can be made several ways from my understanding and so saying that "One of the main ingredients" is used in something else makes me think that there is something wrong with your statement becasue there is only 1 ingredient.

Thanks in advance for pointing me to some info :)

I dont know where you've got your information... but it's all wrong. It does not put holes in your brain, the shape of your blood cells do not change, and the high has nothing to do with getting enough oxygen to your body parts, it's caused by your brain releasing extra amounts of serotonin.... the "tingling" people talk about when on E is nothing like when you're arm is asleep.

Read up
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma.shtml

WTF?! You mean the propaganda pamplets at the rehab clinic were wrong?!!

drug use is drug use. Today the flavor of the week for you make be E, next week it may be something else.

One week I was smokin weed and dropping A-bomb, the next I was doing as much coke as I could get my hands on, a few weeks after the coke dried up I was jamming ice in my nose.

That's what one has to do with the other.

When you're a fucking drug user, you use drugs. And fooling yourself into thinking you can pop one here and there like grabbing a soda out of the refrigerator is a lie you will eventually come to regret.

Well I was so lucky to see someone OD and die from it. We were at a club in Philly the cop's just stood there laughing. The EMT's got here and this guy was in bad shape.


:(

I am sorry to say alot of the info published by the government about that drug are somewhat off. Unfortunatly what this has caused is a lack of public trust in what the government says about drugs. :(

While info on other drugs that the goverment maybe closer to right about how dangerous they are, some people are now choseing to ignore that information simply becasue they don't trust what is being said anymore. :(

The loss of serotonin in the brain will cause holes and crevices over time. The holes thing is a speculation made by having that information.

http://www.drugabuse.gov/pubs/teachi...Teaching2.html

But keep in mind this is gov regulated stuff.

You guys crack me up... I personally don't care what people do as long as they aren't hurting anyone but themselves...

I have no real idea who's got the right facts here and who doesn't, and once again, I don't really care, but here's an interesting page I just googled up --

http://www.maps.org/mdma/

While it certainly appears to be pro-drug, it does at least have links to things like government hearings on the drug and so on.

You do make a good point there Amp. It is easy to justify to yourself that if your smoking weed that well a little line of coke wouldn't be that bad. The same thing happens to me when I drink. I'm fine for the first 2 or 3 drinks. After that I am not myself. My self control goes right out the hahahahahaha and 15 drinks later I'm talking to the toilet. However I do think that comparing them in terms of there usage patterns or addiction paterns isn't a fair in a discussion about E. The person who started the topic was obviously looking for some information about the topic. While I understand the need to let people know the dangers of how easy it is to go from one to the other and have a very bad downhill ride I personally feel that it should be a whole new topic. :)

You probably have an addictive personality, but that doesnt mean everyone does. I can "pop one here and there like grabbing a soda" and not feel any addiction at all... I haven't even done any sort of drug in probably 3 or 4 months (not because i was trying to quit or anything, simply because i hadn't really thought about it...).

The scientific studies are out there. The ones that get published widespread aren't always the most accurate.
Unfortunatly, most people cant understand the raw info, so they trust the information supplyed to them in laymens terms of how things work.

I am making assesments of my own on reports I have seen in class. I am sorry if 'real' new data does not support these claims.
The field of science is ever changing and if you are going to keep up, you can't blink for a moment.

I am off to research and find tangible evidence to support my previous claims. So far from what I've seen, there is alot of swamp to muck through. If I find it, I will post...I'f I don't, I will post to let you know I have been friutless. But I WILL learn something and that is the best I can do.

I have a great time... :glugglug

Yeah, same :)

I'm sorry to say but I have a hard time trusting NIDAs site. In the 1998 DR. George Recarda (sp?) the US sponsered study on Ecstacy done tried to prove that users lost 50% - 85% of there seritonin function. His study has been laughed at by people all over the medical community becasue his methods were flawed. In 2002 he published another study claiming that a single use of it can cause Parkensons (sp?) disease. However Sept 8 2003 ABC aired his retraction on there network becasue he accidently injected the monkeys with METH not Ectacy. Because of these problems with his work for NIDA I find any info they put out hard to trust or take at face value these days. :(

Infact, the club i go to, which usually holds over 2500 each time, i never see a fight, just smiling happy people.


Go to any of the other club's around here with all the booze boys, all you get is cheek, fights, and assholes who think they are something special...


I'm happy with my choice... :glugglug

mdma causes your brain to release a large amount of serotonin, and temporarily depletes it. Sunlight helps build it back up quick though... otherwise the "lack of pep" caused by the depleted serotonin levels can last a week or so. Still nowhere near the "long term damage" horror stories they make it out as.

I have some people I would love for you to meet :)
Same goes for ANYONE that denies the long term effects of the drug. And note: Im NOT SAYING ONE USE CAUSES PERMANENT DAMAGE.

The tricky thing with ANY drug is that, you have no idea whether you'll run into trouble with it before you try it. Even if your parents weren't alcoholics, you can still have inherited that little recessive gene, and once you start in with the substance abuse it lights right up. You won't know if you have the addictive personality until its too late - at which point, odds are, you've just fucked yourself.

But you know what, to the people that have tried it once and are fine: congratulations. I've done it 5 times over the course of the last two years, and I'm fine. No arguement. I'm simply pointing out the actual, real dangers of the drug, that users simply love to deny.

Its the same thing with potheads. All my friends deny the long-term effects, and the fact that it is an actual physical addiction and craving to use the drug. Denial is a funny, yet scary beast :winkwink:

Evelyn hit me up on icq if you have a chance I am more than happy to point you in the direction of any info I have on the topic, both good and bad. :)

never done it and not planning to do so in the future.

I'm glad I did X three or four times. I havent in ten years and I hope I got away with it. Talk about an experience I will never forget. The best was the shit with the heroin dots in it. Mmmmmmmmmmm heroin dots. I might have become addicted had I not went completely clean and sober soon after due to a hellacious alcohol problem.

Evelyn - the US Gov was releasing all this research talking about the risks of X that has since been thoroughly discredited as bad science. The doctor 'accidently' used speed one time instead of X when testing lab rats - the conclusions of that study made from page news! the retraction that followed wasn't on the front page - go figure. The government has lost its credibility in supplying information on the pitfalls of taking X.

In moderation, i believe X is pretty low-risk. A couple of people do randomly die every year from taking it, but the odds are lower than from taking most prescription drugs. Of course if you are one of those taking 5 pills every friday and saturday nite i'd say you are causing some sort of permanent damage...what the damage is/will be remains to be seen. Estimates are that 1 million pills are taken every Sat nite in England...and have been so since the late 1980s.....they have not been able to establish any sort of abnormal number of people with brain functions in England....hence the scepticism.

If you take X, be safe and don't overdue it...and don't do it every weekend! :thumbsup

That's exactly it.

People are saying here that you are fucked for taking it at all.
If you drink every day & night, you won't last long. No one has said they do E every week, like you say, over 1 million are taken in England per week, how many death's do you hear of through it ??


I do it at big dance events, get trashed, have the best time ever, take a day or two to recover, and then it's back to normal.

Ecstacy and mushrooms are for pussies who can't handle the severe psychological trauma of good ole' fashioned LSD. If I'm to deliberately declare a braincell holocaust and make it so that my dotage is spent shitting into potted plants and wiping my ass with the cat, I'm going to do it the right way. Stop beating around the bush with these pansy club drugs and take a real hallucinogen.

was doing it the summer of 2001, did it 3 or 4 times at a couple of techno parties in Croatia.. partying on the islands/beaches :winkwink:

did 3 pills since that summer at 3 big techno parties.. never gonna do it again! and i mean NEVER!

BUT i hate people that bitch how the drug is bad but never ever tried it....

I LOVED THE DRUG WHEN I WAS CONSUMING IT, AND I'M NOT GOING TO DENY THAT!

fuck that shit!

hahah. So, you're going to assume that every pill you get on the street is pure MDMA? Thats naive, to say the least. Experimental vs. Theoretical are two things entirely, and in practice, you will more often than not get pills with plenty of fucked up chemicals in them - unless you know the people that are capping the pills personally. Even then, I knew plenty of people that were cutting their shit with all KINDS of stuff you'd never want to put in your body. Receiving a dose of speed when you take a pill is the least of your worries, odds are you'll get much worse.

Edit: Had to add this: people need to stop quoting these fucking studies, and pretend they know what they are talking about. We all know studies and statistics can prove ANYTHING, and these are all meaningless figures, conjectures, and assumptions, unless you've actually been there.

Shut up, biatch :321GFY

And you too, biatch!

150 ecstacy users

:1orglaugh

Your NOT going to get pure MDMA regardless of what they tell you to get the sale. Unless YOU work in a lab that has access to it (best of luck), your not going to get it.

Ecstasy is bad news and is stomped with so much garbage these days I would be scared to death to do it. Not to mention that they are finding that it is very bad for you and causes depression.

If you must do drugs, do something natural like shrooms or smoke some weed (or both). Stay clear of anything that is made by man.

Fun drug!

but very bad for ur health!

DUMB DRUG FOR DUMB PEOPLE ...

Weed is acteptable .. but anything harder is just shit straight from hell and everybody taking it is on his way there ..

Lots of people casually do coke or heroin.

Drug is BADDDDDDDDD! :mad:

SMOKE POT ! :thumbsup

I really hope you are joking.

Ecstacy abuse. Ecstacy use on the other hand generally doesn't do much, if any damage.

Ecstacy abuse. Ecstacy use on the other hand generally doesn't do much, if any damage.]