great if you do just drink lots fo water and *DO* in moderation... then we have the peeps that are anit- drugs great for them.... them there are the naive people who think only stupid people do them.
funny thing is the most unlikely people do!!! (not trying to imply everyone) but many do... so for those people who say its wrong thats fine, but dont accuse the crowd who are open about these kind of topics to be dumb or broke etc..... just my :2 cents:

And this is why you do not see me trying to make some point that 'alcohol is a good thing'. It's not. Neither is smoking or over use of caffeine. Nor many other things. You will find no hypocrisy in me. Just because I may use alcohol or tobacco doesn't make it right or good. And I will never base my debate on the subject on trying to convince someone that it is. Nor will I attempt to diminish the effects of using such substances by pointing out that things like heroin can have a much worse effect.

Face the facts and stop trying to justify it. That's all I've been saying here. (not necessarily specifically to you of course)

oh i like you!!!!! :)

For those who have offered an opinion and who havent tried ecstasy, I want to remind you that... your opinion is WORTHLESS!

A person doesn't need to be doused with gasoline and set on fire to know that it's probably not a good thing.

Not a good comparison.

okay,

a person doesn't need to drink a bottle of Clorox to know that it's probably not a good thing.

You don't get it, ecstasy feels GREAT.

If you havent tried it you have no idea.

and I imagine shooting up with junk probably feels great too.


so since that's the benchmark by which something is now a good thing, then by god.... being a junkie must be the best.

I was all wrong. You win.

Casual drug use and chronic addiction is like the difference between a casual drinker and an alcoholic.

50 Junkies

and now I suppose you're going to tell me that someone can actually use things like Cocaine or crack or junk casually.

I'd love to hear it. Because while I may not have ever used X, (I quit using drugs long before that shit ever existed) I have used just about everthing else. And there is no way you can sit there and tell me that shit like coke can be used 'casually'. In fact, there is only one illegal drug that I know of that CAN be used casually, and that's LSD. And the only reason for that is because of the way it works. You simply can't do it again right away and get the same high. You're FORCED to wait. (it's also non-addictive.)

I prefer Purex bleach... they have that lemon flavored one that is great on the rox. :1orglaugh

Sure they can. I do.

Not all illegal drug users are junkies. :1orglaugh

great to hear. Stick with it, I'm sure it'll take you far in life. :thumbsup

Do me a personal favor and look me up in 20 years, because I'd love to hear all about how your drug use has made life better for you and those around you.

Hell, in fact, why wait.... please enlighten us and share some of the wonderful things drugs have done for you. Maybe touch on some specific goals that drug use has helped you accomplish. It could end up being a shining example of why everyone should use drugs. Maybe some of us might even see it as a plus that should be hahahahahahahahaed on future resumes.

"I am a better person thanks to ___________ because it allowed me to do ___________."

Drugs are for relaxation and to kick back.
Find me 1 person that will say drinking helped them reach a goal in life.

At no point did I claim alcohol did any such thing. In fact, I DID say just the opposite. So why would I look for someone to support it?

drugs are bad for you. stay away

It did the opposite because you were a chronic alcohol abuser and alcoholic.

Moderation in all things is the key.

cigs , ecstacy , drugs .. all this shit is for weak people.

well, you're wrong about that, but that's a completely different topic. My problem with alcohol isn't alcohol in and of itself. My problem with alcohol is that it seriously aggravates my manic moods. And once I learned that, I eliminated that particular problem. Now, if the root problem was alcoholism, that would not have been possible. Believe me, all these things have run through my mind a million times from every possible angle, and I'm damn sure not going to sugarcoat anything at this stage.

I'm bipolar, not stupid. Your attempt at reverse psychology was indeed noble, yet misplaced. But to be fair, it's not entirely your fault, you simply don't have all the facts.

but I digress.... as I said, that's another topic.

X sucks LSD's balls smiles for miles...




P.S.

Pot helps my ADD and anxiety :D

(sure I could take pills for that but I'd rather be a pothead than a pillhead)

Drugs are commonly used by LOSERS! :321GFY

3rd time trying to post this - my power keeps going out.

The 'rumored effects'? Please. You can continue to support that little myth, but the fact is - its just that. a myth. I've seen the effects of chronic use with my own two eyes, and its not pretty. It destroys lives, and causes PERMANENT damage - whether you'd like to admit it or not.

I have a friend that has to walk around all day with a bag of crushed up pills, because if she doesnt - she becomes suicidally depressed within hours. The only positive thing about the damages cause by Ecstacy, is that we have other anti-depressants and pharmaceuticals that CAN counteract *some* of the permanent effects (I.E. depression), but only if you want to take them for the rest of your life.

And that article? I don't see the point. They all said it was life changing, and like they felt empathetic for the first time in their lives - which is true. While the drug lasts, anyway. Its heaven for a couple hours, and hell when you lose the feeling. Which is why its so dangerous - people crave the INSTANT feelings of affection, love, acceptance, and happiness they get on the drug, but when its gone...it feels like a part of you died. And so you take more and more.

And, the only reason those people on Ibiza were so happy, is because any interaction you had with the e-tards was while they were still rolling (being high on E=rolling), so of course they appear normal. But just wait until the effects wear off, you will see an entirely different person.

Best drug I ever tried, and my wife agrees. You want someone to say it helped them? Alright. It saved me and my wife from divorce. We never communicated well with each other in eight years. We had some bad fights. We were filing for divorce when we tried it for the first time. Because of X's effect of making you love everybody, we began finally to "really" communicate. Our troubles stopped. We are still together. That was ten years ago. No, we don't use it anymore, and haven't for about nine years. Would I again? Sure.

When I hear that I am reminded of the bullshit campaign that the partnership for anti-drug and boring life for america is running.

You know, the one that shows all the people dying of it.

I've never personally taken the drug, or any to that matter, (Im a drinker, old fashioned I suppose)

but I work raves and clubs for several years for GlobalAdrenaline.net in chicago.

People on "e" or "x" or whatever you call it, are extremely laid back, I've never seen any fight with people on it.

I've never seen proof of anyone dying of it's use. 75% of the deaths that are reported to be caused by "X" is really due to impure drugs or people passing off more potent drugs off as "X".

The other 24.999% is from over heating. "X" causes your body's temperature to rise to well over 100 degrees, combine that with hot sweaty clubs, and lots of areobic activity (dancing) and the user very quickly warms to the point of overheating and that's when damage is done to the body.

Clubs need to having "cooling rooms" and lounge areas if the management knows that "x" is common in their establishment.


Also, another thing that pisses me off about the whole "x" issue, is the stupid laws brought into effect becuase of it. Such as the anti-rave law in chicago, which basically states if you have a group of 25 or more people AND A DJ. it's illegal, you can play jazz, or have a bunch of heavy metal bands, but have a DJ, and it's illegal.

I believe it was Florida or New Orleans that banned glowsticks and pacifiers and declared them drug parafanalia. That's just retarded. Lets start banning tye-dyed shirts at reggae concerts too.

Then the authories start arresting club owners under the "crack-house" laws, which were created to stop landlords from not evicting drug dealers becuase they were usually getting paid off.

But they never arrested the promoters of greatful dead shows.

The hyprocricy is crazy.

Then in some states, cops are being taught to look for club goers that have bottle water as a sign of drug use, nevermind that fact that clubs are usually 95-100 degrees and people need to hydrate themselfs.

Sorry if this rant went on a bit too long, but I have been personally effected by the ignorant stance of congress and law enforcement on this issue.

And it doesnt help that antidrug groups like to distribute massive disinformation.

They dont tell you that all X does is release extra seritonin from your brain which causes your brain to lose it's knowledge of boundries of itself and other objects (which is why people on x love to touch things and hug so much). And while it can cause brain damage, if you use it too much, I firmly believe that if a person does X less that once a month (the time it takes for the brain to re-absorb the seritonin) that there will be little to no long term damage.

Now, I'm not a doctor, but I do read a lot about this stuff, and I'm certainly not out here saying "legalize everything" but our country's ideas of the drug war is just wrong. Treatment not prosicution is the answer.

For you history buffs: name any society in the history of the earth that didn't have a substance abuse problem.

Yeah didn't think so....some people just want to get high, and that will always be the case, so instead of having to build more jails and spend my hard earned money on incarcerating non-violent drug offender lets treat them.

If the cops are right and 50-75% of all crime is usually drug related, making treatment and the drugs easily will eliminate most crime right?

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Sorry for that rant, again it's just something I feel strongly about, and Ive never even used any drugs!

The campaign against X take the case though,since x (MDMA) was legal less than 20 years ago for psycholigists.


Anyways,

Peace.
Respect.

Chris

To each his own!

Although I'm sure you will answer contrarily, I bet your friend has attmepted suicide waay before she became a drug user. Some things are easily explained away by drug effets or after effects. Low confidence and morale as well as other problems are what your friend has.

Obviously you have never been. There's tons of people who don't use E anymore well into their 30's, 40's and even 50's just relaxing and enjoying themselves in Ibiza. All well adjusted and healthy.

doesnt it eat holes in your brain?
if so ill go get 10lbs tonight

Never tried them before.

depression/suicide

Take it every couple of weeks.

Hasn't done me any harm so far. The main club's we go to, just about everyone takes at least 1 pill.

Makes the clubbing experience all the better. I'm still young, this is the year's when i'm supposed to enjoy shit.


So people here are getting too excited when it comes to just mentioning it...

:glugglug

Do you ever drink ??

That kill's....

It really is a bad drug ... i tried it in my teenage years ... regret it to this day..

Why though ??

Was is wrong now that was caused by using it ??

hehe, i love drug threads, it is the same arguement from both sides in EVERY thread...never ANYTHING new

just fun reading though!

How long dows the buzz last for? Are you able to drive?

Depends on what kind it is.

Some last for hours, some only last a short time.


You shouldn't really drive no...

Of course this is one of the problems. Real X would be the same everytime...