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Joe Citizen 04-28-2004 03:30 AM

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Originally posted by newsdude
To each his own!
If you havent tried it, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

End of story.

Joe Citizen 04-28-2004 03:32 AM

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Originally posted by matty
It really is a bad drug ... i tried it in my teenage years ... regret it to this day..
Pussy.

JamesK 04-28-2004 03:34 AM

XTC is fucking good. All pussies say it's bad 'cause they're scared to try it. Just try it once and you'll see it's not that bad.

Shaggy 04-28-2004 03:39 AM

It was fun for the first month and then it got lame.

Mishi 04-28-2004 03:49 AM

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Originally posted by rakeback
When I hear that I am reminded of the bullshit campaign that the partnership for anti-drug and boring life for america is running.

You know, the one that shows all the people dying of it.

I've never personally taken the drug, or any to that matter, (Im a drinker, old fashioned I suppose)

but I work raves and clubs for several years for GlobalAdrenaline.net in chicago.

People on "e" or "x" or whatever you call it, are extremely laid back, I've never seen any fight with people on it.

I've never seen proof of anyone dying of it's use. 75% of the deaths that are reported to be caused by "X" is really due to impure drugs or people passing off more potent drugs off as "X".

The other 24.999% is from over heating. "X" causes your body's temperature to rise to well over 100 degrees, combine that with hot sweaty clubs, and lots of areobic activity (dancing) and the user very quickly warms to the point of overheating and that's when damage is done to the body.

Clubs need to having "cooling rooms" and lounge areas if the management knows that "x" is common in their establishment.


Also, another thing that pisses me off about the whole "x" issue, is the stupid laws brought into effect becuase of it. Such as the anti-rave law in chicago, which basically states if you have a group of 25 or more people AND A DJ. it's illegal, you can play jazz, or have a bunch of heavy metal bands, but have a DJ, and it's illegal.

I believe it was Florida or New Orleans that banned glowsticks and pacifiers and declared them drug parafanalia. That's just retarded. Lets start banning tye-dyed shirts at reggae concerts too.

Then the authories start arresting club owners under the "crack-house" laws, which were created to stop landlords from not evicting drug dealers becuase they were usually getting paid off.

But they never arrested the promoters of greatful dead shows.

The hyprocricy is crazy.

Then in some states, cops are being taught to look for club goers that have bottle water as a sign of drug use, nevermind that fact that clubs are usually 95-100 degrees and people need to hydrate themselfs.

Sorry if this rant went on a bit too long, but I have been personally effected by the ignorant stance of congress and law enforcement on this issue.

And it doesnt help that antidrug groups like to distribute massive disinformation.

They dont tell you that all X does is release extra seritonin from your brain which causes your brain to lose it's knowledge of boundries of itself and other objects (which is why people on x love to touch things and hug so much). And while it can cause brain damage, if you use it too much, I firmly believe that if a person does X less that once a month (the time it takes for the brain to re-absorb the seritonin) that there will be little to no long term damage.

Now, I'm not a doctor, but I do read a lot about this stuff, and I'm certainly not out here saying "legalize everything" but our country's ideas of the drug war is just wrong. Treatment not prosicution is the answer.

For you history buffs: name any society in the history of the earth that didn't have a substance abuse problem.

Yeah didn't think so....some people just want to get high, and that will always be the case, so instead of having to build more jails and spend my hard earned money on incarcerating non-violent drug offender lets treat them.

If the cops are right and 50-75% of all crime is usually drug related, making treatment and the drugs easily will eliminate most crime right?

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Sorry for that rant, again it's just something I feel strongly about, and Ive never even used any drugs!

The campaign against X take the case though,since x (MDMA) was legal less than 20 years ago for psycholigists.


Anyways,

Peace.
Respect.

Chris

I think I like you.

I haven't taken "X" since 1989, and I have no desire to (which is why I tend to question the "Ohmygodit'sosaddictiveyou'llDIEDIEDIE" disinformation). I think I probably tried it about five times. The first three were thoroughly enjoyable; the last two had some unpleasant side-effects. I figure that's about the time fake or adulterated X started playing into the mix.

There is no way I would take anything called "Ecstacy" today. Even when I was a stupid teenager, I insisted on knowing that my drugs were pure. Unless you have a means of testing what you buy, please, people, don't do it. MDMA can give you an amazing high and probably won't fuck you up. But for the most part you have NO way of knowing what you're buying.

Generally speaking, drug dealers aren't the nicest people on the planet. I don't care if it is your sister's husband's brother's cousin's frat brother - he does not give a shit about you.

I don't endorse this site but I think it's relatively informative and unbiased: www.dancesafe.org

Eat, drink, smoke, swallow, and be merry, but don't die from ignorance. Please

Scott McD 04-28-2004 03:51 AM

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Originally posted by Wildcard
XTC is fucking good. All pussies say it's bad 'cause they're scared to try it. Just try it once and you'll see it's not that bad.
Probably.

You only have to read some of the comment's made here to see that...

klinton 04-28-2004 05:19 AM

some info on it could be mind-blowing

media 04-28-2004 05:22 AM

Spinal Fluid don't come back! Once it's lost it's gone!!! In 40 years you'll see a fuckload of people running around with hunched ass backs, and you'll be like "Club Hopper!!!!"

VeriSexy 04-28-2004 05:23 AM

Drugs can kill you :BangBang:

JamesK 04-28-2004 05:24 AM

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Originally posted by Scott McD
Probably.

You only have to read some of the comment's made here to see that...

:thumbsup

JamesK 04-28-2004 05:26 AM

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Originally posted by VeriSexy
Drugs can kill you :BangBang:
Not all drugs kills. Plus you'd have to take an OD if you want to die from drugs.

Did you know you'd have to smoke like 100 joints (marihuana) in just one day to have a chance to die from it?

Goose 04-28-2004 05:26 AM

stupid and naive people not giving a damn for health and their lives...

JamesK 04-28-2004 05:28 AM

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Originally posted by Goose
stupid and naive people not giving a damn for health and their lives...
:1orglaugh

Joe Citizen 04-28-2004 05:33 AM

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Originally posted by Goose
stupid and naive people not giving a damn for health and their lives...
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

It's true... ignorance is bliss!

Major (Tom) 04-28-2004 05:43 AM

in 96-97 i was very much into the club scene. Dj-ing a few nights a month, partying a few nights a week. I used to take E probally 2 times a week for a year until one night at the tunnel in nyc in oct of 97 i passed out from a heart arrythymia due to what doctors called large doses of mdma exposeure which was only 2 pills. I woke up in an ambulance with some emt holding chest paddles (he was just about to use them) and i had all types of needles in my arm. If that wasnt bad enough, after I was released from the hospital, I was litterally stuck in a huge panic attack for about 3 months straight and was litterally reduced to an infantile state and had to be cared for by family members on a daily basis. It took about 5 years for it to clear up to about 99% wellness. I currently have panic attacks about 3 times a year due to residual effects of exstacy. On the lighter side it was a defining moment in my life. I havent touched any kind of drugs since 97 besides a few beers a month, so I think it turned out for the best.
But anyone who says exstacy doest cause damage to your brain is obviously in denial and misinformed.
Cheers
DS

Scott McD 04-28-2004 06:24 AM

Nasty shit Duke.


But to the other's who are saying "yeah but you'll see how bad it is in 40 years time" yeah, so what ?

I could get hit & killed with a bus tomorrow.

Right now i am having the best time going out with people, getting trashed, have been doing so for the last few year's, and will be in the next few year's also.


Live for the moment... :winkwink:

monica 04-28-2004 08:08 AM

If someone educates themselves on the potential risks and makes an informed decision that taking a particular drug is what they want to do, all the power to them.

JamesK 04-28-2004 08:12 AM

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Originally posted by Scott McD
Nasty shit Duke.


But to the other's who are saying "yeah but you'll see how bad it is in 40 years time" yeah, so what ?

I could get hit & killed with a bus tomorrow.

Right now i am having the best time going out with people, getting trashed, have been doing so for the last few year's, and will be in the next few year's also.


Live for the moment... :winkwink:

What he said.

Danny 04-28-2004 08:15 AM

Ecstasy is just like any street drug. While the drug itself hasn't been found in any studys yet to cause long term problems. It is produced and distributed in conditions that match street drugs. It can and is very often cut with things that are VERY DANGEROUS! If you are gonna do it, test it. There is a reason why there are e testing kits. For info on the drug and testing see:

http://www.dancesafe.org

Also ABC did a show on it a couple weeks ago called "Ecstasy Rising" it's an hour long and gives a fairly good impartial view of the drug, it's history and where it sits in todays culture. If you want a copy of it icq me and I'll send it to you.

NoCarrier 04-28-2004 08:17 AM

Good luck getting real MDMA.

woj 04-28-2004 08:17 AM

100 Ecstacy users

Scott McD 04-28-2004 08:19 AM

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Originally posted by Goose
stupid and naive people not giving a damn for health and their lives...
Do you drink alcohol ??

Do you know the damage it can do ??

Don't you care ???

Axzar 04-28-2004 08:27 AM

X is the best drug I have ever taken.
Once a year is enough. If it's so good, it's got to be bad!

kowntafit 04-28-2004 08:32 AM

"Wanna pop an E man?"

I not big on drugs, probably smart to stay away.

GenPadova 04-28-2004 08:41 AM

ecstasy... cheesy name. Do the drug over and over again? Might as well go kill yourself.

Lykos 04-28-2004 09:02 AM

DRUGS ARE BAD :thumbsup

uno 04-28-2004 09:11 AM

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Originally posted by Plan9
Its probably the worst drug you can do, period, when it comes to permanent side effects. I'm not just listening to propaganda either - I've seen the results first hand. Its bad for ANYONE, but worse for those that are already depressed, and I've seen my friends turn into fucking zombies.

Ever heard the phrase e-tard? If not, go to a rave and you're bound to see them in droves. Its really sad, and pathetic, to see how harmful this drug can be.

That being said - trying it once isn't going to cause permanent brain damage, and most people that have their heart set on doing it aren't gonna be persuaded out of it. But its extremely addicting, if addiction runs in your family chances are you'll get hooked fast :)

Anyway. Those are my thoughts on the drug. Take it as advice from someone that's been there. :2 cents:

No, its not addictive physically. Some people might have some unnatural mental addiction.

The problems you see with it come from a few things:
Abuse of the drug
Impurities in the drug
Lack of sleep, tremendous output of energy, and being a moron

in moderation its a tremendous tool that is unparalleled for therapy, fun, or bonding with someone

if you can, don't get pressed pills and try to find pure mdma, also called molly.

:thumbsup

uno 04-28-2004 09:12 AM

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Originally posted by Plan9
the term "moderation" is vague, and even doing the drug bi-weekly, or monthly, is still gonna fuck you up in the long run.
You need to find better E if its doing something bad to you taking it once a month.

uno 04-28-2004 09:14 AM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
it amazes me to no end, how, generation after generation there will always be people who not only defend drug use, but actually encourage it. History does not lie. Drug use destroys lives.

When have you ever seen a heroin junkie, cokehead, crackhead, meth freak, etc.... EVER stand up and give a lecture on how the drug (of their particular choice) has enhanced and enriched their lives for the good?

The answer is never.

I've seen plenty of pot heads, people who like shrooms, acid, and a few other things lecture about how drugs have enriched their lives.

Scott McD 04-28-2004 09:17 AM

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Originally posted by GenPadova
ecstasy... cheesy name. Do the drug over and over again? Might as well go kill yourself.
ok then. :uhoh

stev0 04-28-2004 09:24 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Citizen
You don't get it, ecstasy feels GREAT.

If you havent tried it you have no idea.

Yup, it's definately worth a try. The media makes it out to be alot more dangerous than it is.:thumbsup

It's still not "healthy", but i think its worth it *shrug*

stev0 04-28-2004 09:25 AM

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Originally posted by uno
You need to find better E if its doing something bad to you taking it once a month.
hahaha, no shit... i took it every 2nd day for a month or two and didn't get any of these long term effects i hear of.

Ross 04-28-2004 09:26 AM

Ecstasy is for fuck heads who can't have a good time.

uno 04-28-2004 09:28 AM

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Originally posted by Kassidy
Drugs are stupid, plain and simple, especially E. You don't know what shit is in it or what fucked up, meth-freak, highschool drop out mixed it.
its not exactly easy to make. You need thousands of dollars in equipment and a source to get the very illegal and highly watched precursors so your average
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fucked up, meth-freak, highschool drop out
is probably only selling it.

psyko514 04-28-2004 09:29 AM

e-tards are funny.

stev0 04-28-2004 09:29 AM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
and now I suppose you're going to tell me that someone can actually use things like Cocaine or crack or junk casually.

I'd love to hear it. Because while I may not have ever used X, (I quit using drugs long before that shit ever existed) I have used just about everthing else. And there is no way you can sit there and tell me that shit like coke can be used 'casually'. In fact, there is only one illegal drug that I know of that CAN be used casually, and that's LSD. And the only reason for that is because of the way it works. You simply can't do it again right away and get the same high. You're FORCED to wait. (it's also non-addictive.)

I've known several casual coke users actually.... people that don't do it more than once or twice a month.

uno 04-28-2004 09:32 AM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
Is it perhaps because you can't possibly find one crackhead in a million that can provide proof that his life is now better because he's a crackhead? Or is it simply the conditioned response?
Can you explain to me what coke or heroin has to do with ecstacy?

SpeakEasy 04-28-2004 09:49 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Citizen
Casual drug use and chronic addiction is like the difference between a casual drinker and an alcoholic.
You are a complete tard brain with that logic:2 cents:

Evelyn 04-28-2004 09:50 AM

didn't get to read the whole thread so forgive me for my :2 cents:

X causes pin sized holes in your brain. Now while they haven't been able to show the long terms effects from this(hasn't been studied long enough), I don't want anymore holes than I already got.

It temporarily changes the shape of your blood cells, inhibiting their ability to absorb oxygen (thus the euphoric feeling: this is not the whole reason for it either, has to do with a reduction in the brain of a reduction of tryptophan hydroxylase) . Not getting enough oxiginated blood to your body parts and they start to tingle, hence the heightened tactile sensation. In an attempt to get more oxygen to these parts, the body has to send more blood, increasing blood flow to said parts causes swelling. When blood vessels become dialated the nerves are more responsive.

Most fatalities occur in women. One of the common reasons is an inability to stop uterine bleeding. One of the main ingredients is used in 'spanish fly' or the original bovine booster. It is used in bulls to get them to have sex more so they can reproduce more by inseminating more females in a season.

Aside from this, there is so much more that has to deal with the brain and Neuropharmacology involved. The drug itself, nor the individual componants are to be used lightly and without full understanding.

Danny 04-28-2004 09:54 AM

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Originally posted by uno
Can you explain to me what coke or heroin has to do with ecstacy?
Uno don't get your panties all in a bunch. The media and schools have trained everyone to think that all "drugs" are the same. Someone who has never done them doesn't know the difference. This is like me trying to describe what walking on the moon feels like I have no idea so any answer you get out of me isn't gonna be right, it's going to be a guess based on what I've heard.

Only other answer I could come up with is reffering to stuff that is sometimes cut into pills but I don't think that's where those comments came from.

hit me up on icq uno :)


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