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Old 04-16-2004, 10:11 PM   #51
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And IF there were a god .. He's be a cold hearted mother fucker, no?

An omnipotent benevolent god. Get fuck serious. Look at your own ridiculous stories. Gave human kind free will? But surely he must have known what we'd do with it? I mean he/she/it must be able to see everything.

Before mankind, this god created Angels. A perfect race of beings, except they were essentially slaves. They had to love their maker, and for the most part did.

So this god creautes Humans, that DON'T HAVE to do ANYTHING. We are free to chose. Except he must know how we'd chose. The suffering and carnage we would create .. And in HIS name! Why would he do such a thing? Selfish act of entertainment?

All of it rubbish.
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In the words of George Carlin "I believe in the SUN!"
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Should be interesting to see where atheists turn to if all theists die out. Probably will kill each other really quick. Parasites.
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Should be interesting to see where atheists turn to if all theists die out. Probably will kill each other really quick. Parasites.
When your character is suffieciently strong enough, you will be able to see passed the ridiculous confines of organized religion.

Until then .. practice with me "baahhhhhh"
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The only reason Atheists can prescribe the end of religion is because they have the RULE OF LAW to lean back on. Without this factor, most atheists will LOOK REALLY HARD for something to believe in.........QUICK!


Quick history lesson:
Where did most jurisprudential (LEGAL) systems arise from ...
you guessed it.... RELIGION.


Although there maybe some dogmatic reverberations of religion (eg. Catholicism and poverty) on the whole, religion forms the moral bedrock where a health respect for rule of law can spring from.

Prove me wrong, fucktards!
great.. it's all good to believe, but i'm still broke as fuck !!!!
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Altruism

Altruism is a basic premise of human decency and is an obligation that all human beings owe to each other. To be altruistic is to help others for no other reason except that we can. Every day we are faced with choices and opportunities. At every chance we get we should try to make a positive difference to the world. Choose to do something good. Help somebody else. Act with kindness and compassion whenever the opportunity presents itself.


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who would believe in christianity? jesus was a jew, if you are going to follow him shouldnt you be jewish?

i dont believe in religion in any form, its stupid. god is santa claus for adults, the bible is full of contradictions and the whole idea of a god is just plain rediculous
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Atheists are just as retarded as the religious. To proclaim that you know that there is or isn't a God or whatever is just ignorant. Wise up and accept the fact that you don't know, you can't prove that there is a God, and you can't prove that there isn't a God.
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GOD IS A FUCKING MEXICAN!!!
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So I am a pussy because I don't believe in God? LOL! That is the worst analogy I have ever heard...so I will throw one back at you.

People who believe in God or follow a religion are pussies because they need something to live for. They need someone to tell them what to do, how to live, etc... So many religious people use religion to fall back on for anything they do wrong, because God will forgive them..instead of standing up and taking blame themselves. For so many if they didn't have religion, they wouldn't know how to live their own lives.

One reason I don't believe in God is because of this belief. I believe that if you are going to believe in something (Bible), you have to believe 100% of it. So much in the bible is fucked up shit.

1. Commit adultery and you are punished by death, according to the bible and from Gods words. So why don't so called religious people follow this...it is Gods word from the bible.

2. Some dude (forgot his name) sacrificed his only daughter to God, and he accepted the sacrifice. What the fuck is that about? I am not going to belive in a God who wants something like that.

So much more about the bible is so really fucked up shit, if you really read about it.

God did not create Adam and Eve. There was something called Evolution. If you believe in Evolution, then the Bible is quickly falsified...thus, God was a made up character in some book.

God and the Bible was created to keep civilians down when they started to gain too much power...that is believed by my historians, including some bibical historians.

So call me a pussy...but you are the pussy because you need to believe and be told how to live your life.
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Atheists are just as retarded as the religious. To proclaim that you know that there is or isn't a God or whatever is just ignorant. Wise up and accept the fact that you don't know, you can't prove that there is a God, and you can't prove that there isn't a God.
Atheists don't believe in God. But most atheists I know, including myself, don't proclaim their is no God...we don't believe there is.

So if you don't think there is a God, but you are open minded enough to listen to reason and be proven wrong...what does that make you if not an atheist?
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If this werent' such an obvious trolling for posts, I would respond pointing out that only a "pussy" would NEED some magical mystical never ending happy land in the sky to take away their fear of death.
I don't fear death, never have never will!

and plz remind we're not talking Snow White here man... magical mystical never ending happy land LOL
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Prove me god exists.
prove me evolution exists





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its exactly the opposite
religion is for pussies, they need someone to blame
when their shit goes wrong.
fuck "God's will" and the morons that hide behind that.
You're gonna die and theres going to be nothing after that.
I guess you always talk shit?
My belief is not to blame someone else when something fucks up... I blame myself for everything that goes wrong coz I am responsible for everything I do... know what you talk about before you start rambling
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prove me evolution exists





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Ignorance must be wonderful, do you have chocolate rivers and marshmellow clouds where you come from?
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It is eayer to prove there isnt there then you can there is ,
NO one person here ever saw him talk to him eat dinner with him .
and all you GOD people here my fucking god you are doing every sin you are not to do ,
Oh ya i forgot , when your about to die you are to ask oh PLEASE FORGIVE and and save me

WHAT A LOAD OF SHIT that is , that means i can go and kill 100 people and right before i kill my self say oh load oh GOD I am sorry PLEASE FORGIVE ME and take me BACK DEAR LORD and he will
PLEASE WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU JOKING , NOT ME THAT IS FOR SURE SO STOP FEEDING YOURSELF SUCH A LINE A SHIT
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I guess you always talk shit?
My belief is not to blame someone else when something fucks up... I blame myself for everything that goes wrong coz I am responsible for everything I do... know what you talk about before you start rambling
But come on..be realistic here. How many "religious" people use God to remove/forgive their sins?
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(I'll save you the trouble, nobody ever could or will do in the future!)
So you believe in the Bible, I guess. I am correct?

If so, do you believe 100% in the what the Bible says and tells?
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What evidence are you looking for?
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Yet another thread that everyone will ignore me in, but here goes.

People need an excuse to *not* believe in God? I doubt this. Children don't naturally believe in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny or Jesus until it is drilled into their absorbent little brains that these characters are all real and somehow ultimately important to their behaviour (ie: Christmas presents *if* you're good, Easter chocolate *if* you're good, heaven *if* you're good.

This is extended through adulthood as the explanation for all things unknown/unpredictable. If a drunk driver kills your mother, it was because it was "God's will, and he works in mysterious ways." But if your mother gets promoted at the office, it's because she's a hard worker and deserving. If an earthquake occurs in a religious country, the citizens are likely to blame an angry god, whereas the scientists are likely to pull out their graphs and explain it away.

Why does mankind *need* something more? Can he not admit that perhaps these 60+ years are all he has available to make a difference? Does he really need to believe he can come back after death for another try? What greedy bastards we are. Give us an inch and we take a mile.

And that's my dose of cynicism for the day.
I'm not gonna ignore you gorgeous

tho I must say I completely disagree with you... first of all we "do not come back after death for another try" I think you're talking about re-incarnation or something?

Scientists cannot prove shit... thousands of scientists who pursued research after evolution have found themselves finding more and more prove that evolution could have never happened and thus converted to Christianity, think about that
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We're realists, not pussies.

Let me ask you a question. How can you believe in a God after 2 World Wars and all this shit going on in the world today?

Religion is mind relief for the weak and uneducated.
standard reply from the weak atheist...

Human > free will

WW1 + WW2 > done by humans
all sorrow and pain in the world today> caused by humans

there you go
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I'm not gonna ignore you gorgeous

tho I must say I completely disagree with you... first of all we "do not come back after death for another try" I think you're talking about re-incarnation or something?

Scientists cannot prove shit... thousands of scientists who pursued research after evolution have found themselves finding more and more prove that evolution could have never happened and thus converted to Christianity, think about that
Here is a little something to think about next time you pull out the good old bible
EVOLUTION
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Oh, and if you're religious then why are you in the porn business?

Won't that buy you a first class ticket to hell?
who are you to judge me???

buy a Bible and read up then come back!
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On-top just made me think of something. If these religious nuts would drop their bible/Koran long enough to read a few good history books maybe they'd stop trying to beat us over the head with their religious views.
OK one question...

do you believe Napolean existed and did what was described in the hitory books??? Yes?

SO what is different to Jesus Christ? The Bible is a history book that describes what he has done...

there is no difference... you have seen neither one with you own eyes tho you believe one existed and the other doesn't, explain
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Prove to me that there is a god
again... prove me evolution exists
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id have to agree... and im no fan of any organized religion or any religion for that matter... some of the biggest assholes ive ever met were very religious... terrorists are very religious... religion can be a very bad thing if people take it too far... that being said... you have to be craving attention if you think god in the pledge of allegence promotes one specific religion... children arent required to recite the pledge if they dont want to... secularists cry OMG WELL IF THE KID DOESNT WANT TO RECITE THE PLEDGE THEY GET MADE FUN OF... yet i dont see them raising hell for anti bullying laws to be passed... nigga please... nigga please
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who are you to judge me???

buy a Bible and read up then come back!
You show you know nothing about the Bible.

Here....buy this and learn something.

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If you are a true believer in the bible, and I mean 100%...then your life and everyone else who believes need to change very quickly since you are living a lie.

If you don't believe in the Bible 100%, then you prove that the Bible is just a book written by man.
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Thousands of years ago .. The movement of lights in the sky must have seemed like a miracle. Life was a miracle, everything was a miracle.

What people couldn't understand, they explained away with religion.

As science exapands its frontiers ... Things that used to be miracles are explained.

Why do you think religious freaks are so paranoid about cloning? God forbid mankind should "create" a life through replication. If such a child were born, and lived a normal life .. Then the last miracle .. That of life and death, will also be conquered.

Wait a second .. I thought only god could create lives, and souls and blah blah blah...
we "freaks" are so paranoind about cloning becoz we believe it is wrong, we are in no position to create or destroy life. The mere fact that someone could accomplish this proves nothing.
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again... prove me evolution exists
Can you read????

EVOLUTION
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Here's another laugher; Holy Bible.

As I understand it, only the commandments are supposed to have been "written by god himself". The rest of the bible is a collection of stories, written some 80 years or so after the fact.

If I was to hahahahaha stories about GFY, 80 years from now .. Do you think they'd be completely accurate? Try this. Get 10 people together in a room .. Whisper to one a few sentences. Have them do the same down the line until the 10th person repeats the whisper to you. It WILL be different than what you originally said. Imagine what happens after nearly a century?

And then we have the New Testement. What the fuck is this? Did Jesus get a new publisher or something?

Hold on to faith as a crutch ... But there is surely no god.
Ummm sorry to rain on your parade but the New Testament was written by the people who stood beside Jesus when he did everything that was written down.

Please get your facts straight ppl
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You are nothing but a parasite. All the political systems based on atheism are based on BRUTE FUCKING FORCE. Try living in Ho Chi Minh Vietnam and see how you make out.

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You show you know nothing about the Bible.

Here....buy this and learn something.

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If you are a true believer in the bible, and I mean 100%...then your life and everyone else who believes need to change very quickly since you are living a lie.

If you don't believe in the Bible 100%, then you prove that the Bible is just a book written by man.
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we "freaks" are so paranoind about cloning becoz we believe it is wrong, we are in no position to create or destroy life. The mere fact that someone could accomplish this proves nothing.
How about cloning technology to save a life? Are you for or against that?

If you say it is not our place to save a life since we are in no position to create or destory life...then never go to the Dr. or take any medicine. Because you are fighting Gods plan for you.
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who would believe in christianity? jesus was a jew, if you are going to follow him shouldnt you be jewish?

i dont believe in religion in any form, its stupid. god is santa claus for adults, the bible is full of contradictions and the whole idea of a god is just plain rediculous
The Jewish do not believe Jesus Christ was the Messiah... so logically someone who does believe in Him is a Christian.

Please ppl if you wanna discuss this make sure you know wtf you're talking about!
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I am GOD I created you all, Jesus was my son....BOW DOWN SUCKERS
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You are nothing but a parasite. All the political systems based on atheism are based on BRUTE FUCKING FORCE. Try living in Ho Chi Minh Vietnam and see how you make out.

Worthless turd.


LOL! I am the turd while you are the one going off.

A political system can't be created without religion? LOL! You must be so small minded to think that since most policital systems started because of religion that no policital system can start without religion. Must be easy to live with such a small learning and thinking capability.

The post I did with the link shows a counter point to the Bible. If you want to learn something new and expand your knowledge (or to learn a different point yet still disagree), maybe you should read it....if you are capable.
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So I am a pussy because I don't believe in God? LOL! That is the worst analogy I have ever heard...so I will throw one back at you.

People who believe in God or follow a religion are pussies because they need something to live for. They need someone to tell them what to do, how to live, etc... So many religious people use religion to fall back on for anything they do wrong, because God will forgive them..instead of standing up and taking blame themselves. For so many if they didn't have religion, they wouldn't know how to live their own lives.

One reason I don't believe in God is because of this belief. I believe that if you are going to believe in something (Bible), you have to believe 100% of it. So much in the bible is fucked up shit.

1. Commit adultery and you are punished by death, according to the bible and from Gods words. So why don't so called religious people follow this...it is Gods word from the bible.

2. Some dude (forgot his name) sacrificed his only daughter to God, and he accepted the sacrifice. What the fuck is that about? I am not going to belive in a God who wants something like that.

So much more about the bible is so really fucked up shit, if you really read about it.

God did not create Adam and Eve. There was something called Evolution. If you believe in Evolution, then the Bible is quickly falsified...thus, God was a made up character in some book.

God and the Bible was created to keep civilians down when they started to gain too much power...that is believed by my historians, including some bibical historians.

So call me a pussy...but you are the pussy because you need to believe and be told how to live your life.
I do not agree on Papichulo calling atheists pussies coz he has no right to do that.

To respond to your post:
the passages you "quoted" are all from the Old Testament which is of less value than the New Testament which is the most important to Christianity.
Jesus has died for our sins... so logically the sins that we're described in the Old Testament all do not apply becoz Jesus has cleansed us from those sins.
Now do not start your "so you can do anything coz He died for you" shit. No we can't! We still have to live by the rules set by our Lord but that does not mean we have to kill anyone that engages in adultery.
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You are nothing but a parasite. All the political systems based on atheism are based on BRUTE FUCKING FORCE. Try living in Ho Chi Minh Vietnam and see how you make out.

Worthless turd.


P.S. - You have shown NO knowledge or shown no proof of your claims. All you are doing is ranting.

If you want to try and win an arguement or make people believe something they currently don't....you must show intelligence and show facts.
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Ignorance must be wonderful, do you have chocolate rivers and marshmellow clouds where you come from?
ow man I'm getting cramped fingers from replying LOL

well the chocolate river behind my house tastes quite good actually... I think it's Cadbury...

if you care to discuss with me on a serious note i am open to it... otherwise plz GFY
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But come on..be realistic here. How many "religious" people use God to remove/forgive their sins?
a lot of them, but are those ppl righteous true Christians or just name Christians???
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I do not agree on Papichulo calling atheists pussies coz he has no right to do that.

To respond to your post:
the passages you "quoted" are all from the Old Testament which is of less value than the New Testament which is the most important to Christianity.
Jesus has died for our sins... so logically the sins that we're described in the Old Testament all do not apply becoz Jesus has cleansed us from those sins.
Now do not start your "so you can do anything coz He died for you" shit. No we can't! We still have to live by the rules set by our Lord but that does not mean we have to kill anyone that engages in adultery.
I have heard and read the complete opposite. Even discussed this with a guy I know who studied religion in college.

I thought the belief was that the New Testament was written by the Romans to put the fear of God in people to do what they wanted. Isn't the New Testament much more brim and hellstone type shit? Is God really that mean of a guy?
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So you believe in the Bible, I guess. I am correct?

If so, do you believe 100% in the what the Bible says and tells?
Yes I do believe in it, I'm a Christian and I believe Jesus is the Son of God and has died to save us all.

I cannot say that I believe 100% of what the Bible tells coz i do not know every single line by heart... throw something at me and I can tell you...
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Cellular/Molecular Evidence
All living things are fundamentally alike. At the cellular and molecular level living things are remarkably similar to each other. These fundamental similarities are most easily explained by evolutionary theory: life shares a common ancestor.

The cellular level
Organisms are made of cells, which consist of membranes filled with water containing genetic material, proteins, lipids, carbohydrates, salts and other substances. The cells of most living things use sugar for fuel while producing proteins as building blocks and messengers. Noticeably, in the simplified illustration below, only three structures are unique to one or the other cell.

The molecular level
Different species share genetic homologies as well as anatomical ones. Roundworms, for example, share 25% of their genes with humans. These genes are slightly different in each species, but their striking similarites nevertheless reveal their common ancestry. In fact, the DNA code itself is a homology that links all life on Earth to a common ancestor. DNA and RNA possess a simple four-base code that provides the recipe for all living things. In some cases, if we were to transfer genetic material from the cell of one living thing to the cell of another, the recipient would follow the new instructions as if they were its own.

These characteristics of life demonstrate the fundamental sameness of all living things on Earth and serve as the basis of today's efforts at genetic engineering.
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I do not agree on Papichulo calling atheists pussies coz he has no right to do that.

To respond to your post:
the passages you "quoted" are all from the Old Testament which is of less value than the New Testament which is the most important to Christianity.
Jesus has died for our sins... so logically the sins that we're described in the Old Testament all do not apply becoz Jesus has cleansed us from those sins.
Now do not start your "so you can do anything coz He died for you" shit. No we can't! We still have to live by the rules set by our Lord but that does not mean we have to kill anyone that engages in adultery.
P.S. -

But the Bible is still the Bible and most people quote from it and live their lives by it. So if the Bible says if you commit adultery, you must be sentenced to death...then you must....because you can't believe one thing God says but not another. If he set that rule, it is a rule to live by.
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Here is a little something to think about next time you pull out the good old bible
EVOLUTION
did you not read what I said???
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I don't think religion is debate it's something personal like what you do in the bedroom.

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You show you know nothing about the Bible.

Here....buy this and learn something.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...books&n=507846



If you are a true believer in the bible, and I mean 100%...then your life and everyone else who believes need to change very quickly since you are living a lie.

If you don't believe in the Bible 100%, then you prove that the Bible is just a book written by man.
I can't say I fully understand your reply... plz show me where have gone wrong
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Can you read????

EVOLUTION
dude I'm typing as fast as I can and trying to keep up with reading to... if you have some time let me read everything
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You are nothing but a parasite. All the political systems based on atheism are based on BRUTE FUCKING FORCE. Try living in Ho Chi Minh Vietnam and see how you make out.

Worthless turd.


dude for a religious person you do not give ppl a lot of credit...

"worthless"?
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Yes I do believe in it, I'm a Christian and I believe Jesus is the Son of God and has died to save us all.

I cannot say that I believe 100% of what the Bible tells coz i do not know every single line by heart... throw something at me and I can tell you...
Read this book...

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...books&n=507846

In this book they discuss how if you commit adultery, God stated you must be sentenced to death.

In the bible it states that women are unpure when they are on their periods and where not allowed in a church for 2 weeks or until their were clean again. They were unfit to be in a church while they were unpure. Women had to go through a ritual to purify themselves on a monthly basis.

If a women said she was a virgin to her future husband but on their wedding night if it was discovered she was not...she was sentenced to death. Sounds like men keeping women down to me.

You seem intelligent and open minded..and strong on your beliefs. I respect that. But maybe you should read a book like I posted...learn something new or at least get a different point of view. Too many people, in my mind, follow religion without truely knowing EVERYTHING it stands for and do not do enough true research and learning by themselves...they only learn what they are told in church.
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