DVDs For A Buck says GFY to chargebacks! - GoFuckYourself.com

Bossholio · 02-16-2004, 12:44 AM

DVDs For a Buck (DFAB) recently received their first charge back notice. Although DFAB faces ZERO operational hazards with this sole charge back, DFAB is taking a stand against the vultures, thief's, monopolies, etc. With the support of its legal department, sister companies, and YOU, the industry, DFAB announces its fight against the charge back dilemma!

More information will be posted as the case continues forward and at this time its asked that you show support, signup to http://partners.dvdsforabuck.com - email webmaster AT dvdsforabuck DOT com and your pay will be bumped to $25 per signup. It's time for someone to step up to the plate and battle the credit card companies & fraudulent consumers. This may only be a small step but it's a step in the right direction. Please show your support!

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pornstar2pac · 02-16-2004, 12:45 AM

how will this stop chargebacks? I'm interested just want to learn more.

MadCap · 02-16-2004, 12:48 AM

Man much respect on this one bro.

i know it is a problem that needs to be adressed like 2years ago before it got this bad. Good to see you stepup on this one man

Theo · 02-16-2004, 12:48 AM

Cash4Joins · 02-16-2004, 12:49 AM

are we going to get an update for each chargback?

MadCap · 02-16-2004, 12:51 AM

Side note.

We need to do something about webmasters too. If people didnt get slammed with 3 or 4 charges every time they used thier credit card for a pornsite. THe situation would not be as bad.

TonyL · 02-16-2004, 12:57 AM

Im lost. What does signing up for your program have to do with chargeback prevention?

Aussie Rebel · 02-16-2004, 01:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TonyL
Im lost. What does signing up for your program have to do with chargeback prevention?

I was wondering the same thing

malakajoe · 02-16-2004, 01:02 AM

I believe he wants to start a case against the credit card companies. Thus promoting his site will help in that fight.

Or I could be wrong.

J$tyle$ · 02-16-2004, 01:04 AM

Seriously though ...

Our chargeback situation is differnt than most ...

We're at less than one tenth of a percent AND we CAN fight it because we ship a physical item!

Nonetheless, we take this shit seriously and WILL fight every one!

Besides that ... our shit converts so jump the fuck on board and get some banners flying!

Bossholio · 02-16-2004, 01:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by pornstar2pac
how will this stop chargebacks? I'm interested just want to learn more.

Think of it as one of many steps to come all with the same goal of working around the charge back problem. As time goes on everything will start to make sense

420 · 02-16-2004, 01:14 AM

sign up under me if you aren't already promoting dvds for a buck http://c.fsx.com/c?z=678,92281,0,dfa...ebmasters/</a>

edit: gfy screws up the wm referal url

will I still get credit if I write it like this?

http://c.fsx.com/c?z=678,92281,0,dfa...om/webmasters/

Bossholio · 02-16-2004, 01:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MadCap
Man much respect on this one bro.

i know it is a problem that needs to be adressed like 2years ago before it got this bad. Good to see you stepup on this one man

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Very cool program

TonyL · 02-16-2004, 01:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by J$tyle$
Seriously though ...

Our chargeback situation is differnt than most ...

We're at less than one tenth of a percent AND we CAN fight it because we ship a physical item!

Nonetheless, we take this shit seriously and WILL fight every one!

Besides that ... our shit converts so jump the fuck on board and get some banners flying!

We have the same setup. We ship physical products as well. We have full tracking numbers and signature confirmation to there door. We still get chargebacks and fight every single one with absolute proof of purchase. We have not had one single chargeback revoked in the last 2 years. Consumer fraud is not possible to fight at this stage in the game. It's total bullshit. I talk to my processor on a monthly basis about this frustrating situation. They are as lost as I am. Visa/MasterCard are running a monopoly and they could care less about the merchant.

-Tony

Mr.Fiction · 02-16-2004, 01:27 AM

You guys are shipping a product for every charge, right? Do you get signature confirmation on every delivery?

It should be easier to fight than an online membership.

Bossholio · 02-16-2004, 01:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cash4Joins
are we going to get an update for each chargback?

We're "updating" you on our first CB because it's our first CB

Further updates regarding new CB's will be more or less generalized averages.

J$tyle$ · 02-16-2004, 01:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TonyL

We have the same setup. We ship physical products as well. We have full tracking numbers and signature confirmation to there door. We still get chargebacks and fight every single one with absolute proof of purchase. We have not had one single chargeback revoked in the last 2 years. Consumer fraud is not possible to fight at this stage in the game. It's total bullshit. I talk to my processor on a monthly basis about this frustrating situation. They are as lost as I am. Visa/MasterCard are running a monopoly and they could care less about the merchant.

-Tony

Well, I guess we're lucky that this is our first ... sure it won't be the last with all the "friendly fraud" going on

Either way, we'll be sure to let you know how this gets handled

- Jesus Christ - · 02-16-2004, 01:43 AM

So your standing up to chargebacks by spamming a promotion on GFY?

Thats all I took away from the fist post. (nope, don't feel like reading the rest of the thread)

Bossholio · 02-16-2004, 01:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by malakajoe
I believe he wants to start a case against the credit card companies. Thus promoting his site will help in that fight.

Or I could be wrong.

There is safety in numbers!

J$tyle$ · 02-16-2004, 01:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by - Jesus Christ -
So your standing up to chargebacks by spamming a promotion on GFY?

Thats all I took away from the fist post. (nope, don't feel like reading the rest of the thread)

Hmmmm, Jesus Christ is a sanctimonious shit talker?

Would have thought you'd be utilizing your time here on earth differently this time!

The Truth Hurts · 02-16-2004, 02:01 AM

go get em dave.

Bossholio · 02-16-2004, 02:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TonyL

We have the same setup. We ship physical products as well. We have full tracking numbers and signature confirmation to there door. We still get chargebacks and fight every single one with absolute proof of purchase. We have not had one single chargeback revoked in the last 2 years. Consumer fraud is not possible to fight at this stage in the game. It's total bullshit. I talk to my processor on a monthly basis about this frustrating situation. They are as lost as I am. Visa/MasterCard are running a monopoly and they could care less about the merchant.

-Tony

When you say you have not had one single chargeback revoked, do you mean that the charge backs have still been in favor of the consumer?

TonyL · 02-16-2004, 02:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bossholio

When you say you have not had one single chargeback revoked, do you mean that the charge backs have still been in favor of the consumer?

Yes. The chargebacks still stand. The only company that even remotely works with the merchant is AMEX.

EmporerEJ · 02-16-2004, 06:24 AM

So, this is your new venture Jonathon?

Not sure if we have a good processor or what, but we've been pretty successful with a -ZERO- chargeback ratio. Also might have something to do with EVERY address being verified BRFORE shipment. (And of course, we ship an insured product, and require a signature)

But it would be interested to see how you proceed through this. Personally, I think the industry needs a blacklist of people that pull this shit. Like 911merchat.org does. They are in the "Legit" world, but have a very active group, and from the sound of it, get allot of chargeback?s from their member merchants as well. (Mostly software download buy frauds.

Anyhow, I think a list would be a great idea, I just can't figure out how to make it sustain itself. If we had an organization that you could post the info to, and then have someone "call them" later to "verify" the fraud, that would scare'em straight.
We could nip this problem in the bud. They'd do it one time, have an "agent" call them, or email them about "details" of the fraud of member associations. Guess what? BINGO. Any site with the seal would stop getting fraud, because a: they would have access to the blacklist, and B: the fraud guy would know that someone was gonna call them.

A "Report" could be available for the member sites to see if it's a genuine fraud, or some guy pulling a scam.

After a year or so of collecting names, we offer a telecheck type of guarantee for members if they run the name against the list?
Anyone? Thoughts?

sherie · 02-16-2004, 08:39 AM

Congrats and good luck!!! =)

Joshua · 02-16-2004, 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sherie
Congrats and good luck!!! =)

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mardigras · 02-16-2004, 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bossholio

When you say you have not had one single chargeback revoked, do you mean that the charge backs have still been in favor of the consumer?

The credit card company makes more by eating what your item cost than losing the customer to a card who would.

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J$tyle$ · 02-16-2004, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by EmporerEJ
So, this is your new venture Jonathon?

Not sure if we have a good processor or what, but we've been pretty successful with a -ZERO- chargeback ratio. Also might have something to do with EVERY address being verified BRFORE shipment. (And of course, we ship an insured product, and require a signature)

But it would be interested to see how you proceed through this. Personally, I think the industry needs a blacklist of people that pull this shit. Like 911merchat.org does. They are in the "Legit" world, but have a very active group, and from the sound of it, get allot of chargeback?s from their member merchants as well. (Mostly software download buy frauds.

Anyhow, I think a list would be a great idea, I just can't figure out how to make it sustain itself. If we had an organization that you could post the info to, and then have someone "call them" later to "verify" the fraud, that would scare'em straight.
We could nip this problem in the bud. They'd do it one time, have an "agent" call them, or email them about "details" of the fraud of member associations. Guess what? BINGO. Any site with the seal would stop getting fraud, because a: they would have access to the blacklist, and B: the fraud guy would know that someone was gonna call them.

A "Report" could be available for the member sites to see if it's a genuine fraud, or some guy pulling a scam.

After a year or so of collecting names, we offer a telecheck type of guarantee for members if they run the name against the list?
Anyone? Thoughts?

Actually, this project was conceived and lovingly nurtured by the brilliant mind and blood sweat and tears of Dave from Holio

He contacted me at launch and my company has beed working with his in a sales and marketing capacity.

You've brought up some good valid points. Very interesting and well thought out!

DFAB has been designed as an extremely customer service oriented company. We are doing some of the things you mention, and will consider doing others.

Thanks for the input.

I'll let you know how things pan out!

02-16-2004, 12:44 AM	#1
Bossholio Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Calabasas, CA Posts: 148	DVDs For A Buck says GFY to chargebacks! DVDs For a Buck (DFAB) recently received their first charge back notice. Although DFAB faces ZERO operational hazards with this sole charge back, DFAB is taking a stand against the vultures, thief's, monopolies, etc. With the support of its legal department, sister companies, and YOU, the industry, DFAB announces its fight against the charge back dilemma! More information will be posted as the case continues forward and at this time its asked that you show support, signup to http://partners.dvdsforabuck.com - email webmaster AT dvdsforabuck DOT com and your pay will be bumped to $25 per signup. It's time for someone to step up to the plate and battle the credit card companies & fraudulent consumers. This may only be a small step but it's a step in the right direction. Please show your support! Signup here: http://partners.dvdsforabuck.com Tell your surfers the following and be AMAZED by the conversions: Own any 5 Adult DVDs for $1 with FREE shipping! __________________ www.holio.net www.xtv.com

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MadCap Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: 137771650 Minneapolis MN Posts: 2,357	Side note. We need to do something about webmasters too. If people didnt get slammed with 3 or 4 charges every time they used thier credit card for a pornsite. THe situation would not be as bad.

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EmporerEJ Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Political subdivision United States, Continent North America, Planet Earth, Sol System, Milky Way Galaxy Posts: 282	So, this is your new venture Jonathon? Not sure if we have a good processor or what, but we've been pretty successful with a -ZERO- chargeback ratio. Also might have something to do with EVERY address being verified BRFORE shipment. (And of course, we ship an insured product, and require a signature) But it would be interested to see how you proceed through this. Personally, I think the industry needs a blacklist of people that pull this shit. Like 911merchat.org does. They are in the "Legit" world, but have a very active group, and from the sound of it, get allot of chargeback?s from their member merchants as well. (Mostly software download buy frauds. Anyhow, I think a list would be a great idea, I just can't figure out how to make it sustain itself. If we had an organization that you could post the info to, and then have someone "call them" later to "verify" the fraud, that would scare'em straight. We could nip this problem in the bud. They'd do it one time, have an "agent" call them, or email them about "details" of the fraud of member associations. Guess what? BINGO. Any site with the seal would stop getting fraud, because a: they would have access to the blacklist, and B: the fraud guy would know that someone was gonna call them. A "Report" could be available for the member sites to see if it's a genuine fraud, or some guy pulling a scam. After a year or so of collecting names, we offer a telecheck type of guarantee for members if they run the name against the list? Anyone? Thoughts? __________________ Eric J. White Earn $$$ with the Virtual Sex Machine Affiliate program! Last edited by EmporerEJ; 02-16-2004 at 06:27 AM..

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