PIB cash question - GoFuckYourself.com

SleazyDream · 12-08-2003, 09:41 PM

according to your board - you say that a former employee added a columb to the stats on the html page....thus the fake shave

ok - interesting - that means that some of the data IS real... wow.

my question is - why would an employee that left be SOOOOO mad at you to do this to you, and are you suing that person as this seems to have really hurt you.

what happened to that employee that triggered this?

Juicy D. Links · 12-08-2003, 09:42 PM

SomeCreep · 12-08-2003, 09:46 PM

beemk · 12-08-2003, 09:48 PM

very good question

jennym · 12-08-2003, 09:49 PM

I also wonder how many "disgruntled" emplyees they have had since Sept.? If it is only 1, then I would have to say the screenshot is real.

Kick Ass Chat · 12-08-2003, 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream
according to your board - you say that a former employee added a columb to the stats on the html page....thus the fake shave

ok - interesting - that means that some of the data IS real... wow.

my question is - why would an employee that left be SOOOOO mad at you to do this to you, and are you suing that person as this seems to have really hurt you.

what happened to that employee that triggered this?

Very good questions Sleazy, my guess is that he is just trying to save his ass by creating this bull shit excuse??....only time will tell

Ic3m4nZ · 12-08-2003, 09:51 PM

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Originally posted by GirlsFreePics

Very good questions Sleazy, my guess is that he is just trying to save his ass by creating this bull shit excuse??....only time will tell

I believe this 100% too.

webgurl · 12-08-2003, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream
according to your board - you say that a former employee added a columb to the stats on the html page....thus the fake shave

ok - interesting - that means that some of the data IS real... wow.

my question is - why would an employee that left be SOOOOO mad at you to do this to you, and are you suing that person as this seems to have really hurt you.

what happened to that employee that triggered this?

good questions definetley ,
i would be surprised if you get a reply by someone from the team

SleazyDream · 12-08-2003, 09:59 PM

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Originally posted by webgurl

good questions definetley ,
i would be surprised if you get a reply by someone from the team

already was contacted - and they said they are initiating a lawsuit against the the person resonsible tomorrow.

Spunky · 12-08-2003, 10:01 PM

Eventually his name will get out and will get what he deserves.

L0stMind · 12-08-2003, 10:34 PM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream

already was contacted - and they said they are initiating a lawsuit against the the person resonsible tomorrow.

Well, wouldnt they have to disclose everything to start a case?

I wonder how the courts decide what is a true copy and a false copy of stats?

iwantchixx · 12-08-2003, 10:36 PM

The first post makes sense with something, how could all claims be a lie on part of jimmy, if rconn claims only one column has been added. More than one column shows proof of shaves

12-08-2003, 10:39 PM

The shave column has to be correct, considering all of the other colums stats match the shave. How will they explain this?

I think this is just a case of a sponser that got a little too greedy...and they are going to end up paying for it in the end.

JSA Matt · 12-08-2003, 10:39 PM

I wonder if this person that took the screenshots also has a copy of the source code? It's a little harder to fake than html : ))

funkmaster · 12-08-2003, 10:43 PM

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Originally posted by spunky1
Eventually his name will get out and will get what he deserves.

... or we will hear his side of the story.

Paul Markham · 12-08-2003, 10:47 PM

I know of one person who was fired and still owed money by PIB.

How many more are there?

kush2 · 12-08-2003, 10:51 PM

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Originally posted by charly
I know of one person who was fired and still owed money by PIB.

How many more are there?

If I were to guess, I would say 2.

- Kush

gin · 12-08-2003, 10:51 PM

know what i predict.. i prediect another matrix content story.. people will forget about it in few weeks.. does anybody here still buy matrix content?i know i don't but people seem to forget stuff FAST.. no one has even mentioned them for a month at least.. they kinda dissapeared off gofuckyourself.com but are still widely open to anyone that hasn't seen gofuckyourself.com

WiredGuy · 12-08-2003, 11:06 PM

I love drama

WG

Turboface · 12-09-2003, 01:13 AM

Inquiring minds want to know.

greentea · 12-28-2003, 02:36 PM

jact · 12-28-2003, 02:42 PM

So have we seen a lawsuit filed yet? I haven't heard of one....

- AFN - · 12-28-2003, 07:13 PM

In the US they can hit the employee for

DEFAMATION -- normally this is a hard case to prove. However, given the malicious intent of the ex employee to harm PIB's relationship with its affiliates, this element seems to be satisfied.

TORTIOUS INTERFERENCE WITH CONTRACT -- This is the most damaging lawsuit, financially, they can bring against the ex employee. This provides that if a person sabotages a business relationship, the damaged parties can sue that person.

To answer Sleazy's questions, employees get pissed all the time and want to get back at the employer. It happens. Don't be surprised. However, it did take balls to do it this way.

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream
according to your board - you say that a former employee added a columb to the stats on the html page....thus the fake shave

ok - interesting - that means that some of the data IS real... wow.

my question is - why would an employee that left be SOOOOO mad at you to do this to you, and are you suing that person as this seems to have really hurt you.

what happened to that employee that triggered this?

irishfury · 12-28-2003, 07:15 PM

The thing that threw me of is when pib webmaster said the stat history was gone something seemed fishy.....enuff to make me turn a blind eye

pussyluver · 12-28-2003, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream

already was contacted - and they said they are initiating a lawsuit against the the person resonsible tomorrow.

Not the first time I've heard that line. How many tomorrows before the litagation is filled??

MetaformX · 12-28-2003, 07:39 PM

you don't expect them to just come clean, do you? ofcourse they will make up a story about irritated employee, blah blah

makefuckingmoney · 12-28-2003, 07:41 PM

I think there is a second shooter in the grassy knoll..

pussyluver · 12-28-2003, 07:46 PM

I have an open mind about it though, Not going to just drop PIB casue of all the talk here. I wasn't pushing 'em hard to begin with.

Will be interesting to see what happens. I do believe they were hurt by it. Does it affect my decision on which sponsor to put on the next batch of galleries? It might.

So they sue, the ex-employee. What's to gain? Does she or he even have enough $ for the court battle. Where was an injunction to stop them from releasing company data or made up info. Or was there one?

If the person you sue doesn't have anything, all you're left with is a judgement. A piece of paper. That may go nowhere depending on the state. (I'm not an attorney).

chowda · 12-28-2003, 07:48 PM

the real question is, do ppl still promote them?

XxXotic · 12-28-2003, 08:45 PM

DamageX · 12-28-2003, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gin
know what i predict.. i prediect another matrix content story.. people will forget about it in few weeks.. does anybody here still buy matrix content?i know i don't but people seem to forget stuff FAST.. no one has even mentioned them for a month at least.. they kinda dissapeared off gofuckyourself.com but are still widely open to anyone that hasn't seen gofuckyourself.com

Just because the story has blown over doesn't mean that people will feel at ease going back to doing business with them. Remember, there's no smoke without fire and most people tend to remember this when it comes to business.

J.R. · 12-28-2003, 09:49 PM

I think the stats were true.. I have my reasons for
this and it makes sense to me

chodadog · 12-28-2003, 10:23 PM

What gets me about the whole thing, and worries me, is how blindly people just accepted the screenshots as fact and proof. I'm not saying they weren't real. I don't know that. But any disgruntled employee, at any affiliate program, could save the html, add a couple of columns, and take a screenshot.

Of course it's going to look real, because it hasn't been photoshopped, and the statistics that are shown will obviously be real. And a lot of people used that as <i>proof</i>. Which it quite clearly is not.

The way PIBCash handled it didn't exactly make me feel confident in their innocence, and that's the only opinion i have. I wouldn't use 'em.

struggle7 · 12-28-2003, 10:36 PM

I don't use them but I keep a personal blacklist of cheats to avoid in the future- Whether they are sponsors, traders, content providers or whatever. That being said, PIB is on mine at the moment.

Why?

1. Disgruntled ex-employees distributing personal information of webmasters is a strike against you no matter how you toss the dice. [speaks badly of management]

2. Unprofessional handling of the situation by management. (see posts here) [speaks badly of management]

3. Claimed removal of posts on company board by people asking questions and referencing the matter. [what's to hide?]

4. Webmaster reports that past stats were taken offline nearly immediately following the release of the screenshots to the public.
[what's to hide or why no explanation for this?]

5. The above lead me to err on the side of the screenshots containing much mroe truth than fiction.
[makes sense to me?]

Now if someone addresses the above to my satisfaction - or shows me my errors - then that might change. But I doubt that will happen. Everyone else can do what they please though.

OsirisID · 12-28-2003, 10:42 PM

RConns new line of mainstream products..

When I found the picture I couldn't resist..

GTS Mark · 12-28-2003, 10:47 PM

We are owed a few thousand by PIB and are still promoting them on a smaller scale. I have been personally assured by Tom that the cheques are on the way and we will get paid in full.

DH

12-08-2003, 09:41 PM	#1
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12-08-2003, 10:47 PM	#16
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12-08-2003, 09:42 PM	#2
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12-08-2003, 09:49 PM	#5
jennym Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: the south Posts: 1,622	I also wonder how many "disgruntled" emplyees they have had since Sept.? If it is only 1, then I would have to say the screenshot is real.

12-08-2003, 10:36 PM	#12
iwantchixx Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Boonies Posts: 12,860	The first post makes sense with something, how could all claims be a lie on part of jimmy, if rconn claims only one column has been added. More than one column shows proof of shaves

12-08-2003, 10:39 PM	#13
shermo Guest Posts: n/a	The shave column has to be correct, considering all of the other colums stats match the shave. How will they explain this? I think this is just a case of a sponser that got a little too greedy...and they are going to end up paying for it in the end.

12-08-2003, 10:39 PM	#14
JSA Matt So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 5,464	I wonder if this person that took the screenshots also has a copy of the source code? It's a little harder to fake than html : ))

12-08-2003, 10:51 PM	#18
gin Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 672	know what i predict.. i prediect another matrix content story.. people will forget about it in few weeks.. does anybody here still buy matrix content?i know i don't but people seem to forget stuff FAST.. no one has even mentioned them for a month at least.. they kinda dissapeared off gofuckyourself.com but are still widely open to anyone that hasn't seen gofuckyourself.com

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12-28-2003, 07:15 PM	#24
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12-28-2003, 07:39 PM	#26
MetaformX Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 6,704	you don't expect them to just come clean, do you? ofcourse they will make up a story about irritated employee, blah blah __________________

12-28-2003, 07:41 PM	#27
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12-28-2003, 07:46 PM	#28
pussyluver Clueless OleMan Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: ICQ - 169903487 Posts: 11,009	I have an open mind about it though, Not going to just drop PIB casue of all the talk here. I wasn't pushing 'em hard to begin with. Will be interesting to see what happens. I do believe they were hurt by it. Does it affect my decision on which sponsor to put on the next batch of galleries? It might. So they sue, the ex-employee. What's to gain? Does she or he even have enough $ for the court battle. Where was an injunction to stop them from releasing company data or made up info. Or was there one? If the person you sue doesn't have anything, all you're left with is a judgement. A piece of paper. That may go nowhere depending on the state. (I'm not an attorney).

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12-28-2003, 09:49 PM	#32
J.R. WantBoobs.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Calif & Washington Posts: 3,472	I think the stats were true.. I have my reasons for this and it makes sense to me

12-28-2003, 10:23 PM	#33
chodadog Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 9,736	What gets me about the whole thing, and worries me, is how blindly people just accepted the screenshots as fact and proof. I'm not saying they weren't real. I don't know that. But any disgruntled employee, at any affiliate program, could save the html, add a couple of columns, and take a screenshot. Of course it's going to look real, because it hasn't been photoshopped, and the statistics that are shown will obviously be real. And a lot of people used that as <i>proof</i>. Which it quite clearly is not. The way PIBCash handled it didn't exactly make me feel confident in their innocence, and that's the only opinion i have. I wouldn't use 'em. __________________ 26 + 6 = 1

12-28-2003, 10:36 PM	#34
struggle7 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 28	I don't use them but I keep a personal blacklist of cheats to avoid in the future- Whether they are sponsors, traders, content providers or whatever. That being said, PIB is on mine at the moment. Why? 1. Disgruntled ex-employees distributing personal information of webmasters is a strike against you no matter how you toss the dice. [speaks badly of management] 2. Unprofessional handling of the situation by management. (see posts here) [speaks badly of management] 3. Claimed removal of posts on company board by people asking questions and referencing the matter. [what's to hide?] 4. Webmaster reports that past stats were taken offline nearly immediately following the release of the screenshots to the public. [what's to hide or why no explanation for this?] 5. The above lead me to err on the side of the screenshots containing much mroe truth than fiction. [makes sense to me?] Now if someone addresses the above to my satisfaction - or shows me my errors - then that might change. But I doubt that will happen. Everyone else can do what they please though.

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12-28-2003, 10:47 PM	#36
GTS Mark Vrume Mark Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 20,912	We are owed a few thousand by PIB and are still promoting them on a smaller scale. I have been personally assured by Tom that the cheques are on the way and we will get paid in full. DH