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Anthony_A · 11-13-2003, 08:48 PM

Tell me again how your training could have stopped you from getting your ass kicked by 6 guys.

Tell me again how bad ass you are.

Let me tell you how.

Walk, if need be, run the fuck away. You are not going to win against 6 guys.

FUCKTARD.

Anthony_A · 11-13-2003, 08:48 PM

We already went through this before.

You can find me every single day training at the Gracie Academy.

Anytime you want, stop on by.

Anthony_A · 11-13-2003, 08:50 PM

Let me even give you a picture so you can recognize me.

I'll be waiting.

dig420 · 11-13-2003, 08:52 PM

well then tell me this sifu:

why hasn't there been even ONE single JKD/TKD/Kali fighter who has won a match in NHB? Just ONE match?

why does EVERY SINGLE FIGHTER who fights for a living do MT, Boxing and BJJ exclusively? What do YOU know that Vanderleigh Silva and Frank Shamrock don't?

For that matter, why didn't any of these other styles prevail against Gracie Jiu-Jitsu at least ONE TIME in the hundreds of challenge matches they conducted? Why did they get their ass handed to them EVERY SINGLE TIME??

You're in So. Cali, right? Convince me. Walk into any BJJ studio and match up your JKD against a good BJJ man. Rickson has a dojo in Hollywood, Rorion has a dojo in Torrance. Come back here and tell me you whipped his ass. If you can do that, I'll join your school, but you won't for the same reason nobody else EVER has since the dawn of BJJ. It doesn't work.

Jamdin · 11-13-2003, 08:54 PM

You all need to chill and play the Bruce Lee Remixer

Sifu · 11-13-2003, 08:58 PM

okay because jkd fighters fight for life in the streets of life, not for game or ego boosts!!!!

$5 submissions · 11-13-2003, 09:02 PM

The most guys I've seen fought off by one dude is about 3 during a drunken frat fight. Anthony's right, its almost impossible to fight 6 people.

dig420 · 11-13-2003, 09:07 PM

Does it look to you like someone's playing a game in no holds barred fighting? Do they look like they're having fun or kidding around? They're breaking arms in there man, it's no fucking game, and if something works they'll use it. The only difference between NHB and a 'real' fight is you can't chunk rocks or grab a ball bat in NHB.

If you think they're playing around in that ring you need to watch some UFC tapes, or better yet, Gracies in Action!

dig420 · 11-13-2003, 09:10 PM

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Originally posted by $5 submissions
The most guys I've seen fought off by one dude is about 3 during a drunken frat fight. Anthony's right, its almost impossible to fight 6 people.

Rickson Gracie himself couldn't whip six people. You gotta look in the comic books or Bruce Lee movies to find someone who can do that.

Sifu · 11-13-2003, 09:10 PM

ahh forget it , just smoke pot and be

Anthony_A · 11-13-2003, 09:20 PM

Sifu,

I'm with you. It's all water under the bridge.

Sifu · 11-13-2003, 09:23 PM

Anthony_A · 11-13-2003, 09:23 PM

Going back to the original thought to this thread. Both Dig and I are huge Bruce Lee fans.

Dig even has one of his posters up about do not think, but do or something like that.

The exact same one as the 2nd pic at the start of this thread.

dig420 · 11-13-2003, 09:28 PM

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Originally posted by Anthony_A
Going back to the original thought to this thread. Both Dig and I are huge Bruce Lee fans.

Dig even has one of his posters up about do not think, but do or something like that.

I think it was something like 'It's not enough to know how to do something, you have to DO it.'

It's my way of motivating myself to get off my ass and do some work every now and then ;) It also motivates me when it's time to spar... sometimes it seems insane that I'm fighting for my life against guys who outweigh me by 50 lbs or more when I COULD be laying in bed, smoking dope and getting a blowjob or something. I have to remind myself how good I'll feel when I'm done.

CDSmith · 11-13-2003, 09:40 PM

Getting back to the actual topic.....

One might wonder just how *famous* guys like Jet Li would be today had not Bruce Lee made the inroads 30+ years ago. His impact on not only the action movie industry but the entire martial arts world is unparralleled to this day.

CDSmith · 11-13-2003, 09:47 PM

By the way, defending against 5 or more guys is quite possible. I once fended off 9 gangbangers in a park one night using a little known technique called "Schwinn-Kwon-do".

I jumped off my bike, grabbed it by the back tireframe, and swung the fucker round and round nailing 3 or 4 of them good. They picked up their wounded and ran like punks.

DTK · 11-13-2003, 09:48 PM

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Originally posted by CDSmith
Getting back to the actual topic.....

One might wonder just how *famous* guys like Jet Li would be today had not Bruce Lee made the inroads 30+ years ago. His impact on not only the action movie industry but the entire martial arts world is unparralleled to this day.

Agree 100% and I think his charisma had as much to do with it as anything else. I don't think any martial arts movie star has had anywhere near the onscreen presence that he had.

buzzard · 11-13-2003, 09:50 PM

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Originally posted by CDSmith
By the way, defending against 5 or more guys is quite possible. I once fended off 9 gangbangers in a park one night using a little known technique called "Schwinn-Kwon-do".

I jumped off my bike, grabbed it by the back tireframe, and swung the fucker round and round nailing 3 or 4 of them good. They picked up their wounded and ran like punks.

Anthony_A · 11-13-2003, 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CDSmith
By the way, defending against 5 or more guys is quite possible. I once fended off 9 gangbangers in a park one night using a little known technique called "Schwinn-Kwon-do".

I jumped off my bike, grabbed it by the back tireframe, and swung the fucker round and round nailing 3 or 4 of them good. They picked up their wounded and ran like punks.

You must teach me this technique.

ModelPerfect · 11-13-2003, 10:55 PM

Damn! I just got in and missed the meaty part of the thread...wish I could have joined in, but since it appears the way of peace won out, it would be contrary to the martial philosophy to reinstate the conflict by posting my opinion. Oh well. Bruce Lee was cool.

$5 submissions · 11-14-2003, 01:44 AM

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Originally posted by Jamdin
You all need to chill and play the Bruce Lee Remixer

That remixer is PIMP! Good link, man!

$5 submissions · 11-14-2003, 01:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by CDSmith
By the way, defending against 5 or more guys is quite possible. I once fended off 9 gangbangers in a park one night using a little known technique called "Schwinn-Kwon-do".

I jumped off my bike, grabbed it by the back tireframe, and swung the fucker round and round nailing 3 or 4 of them good. They picked up their wounded and ran like punks.

Your post reminds me of the old Paul Rodriguez joke...

Chinese dude was held up by a Mexican guy.

Mexican guy: Stick em up, ese!

Chinese guy says "I wouldn't do that if I were you.... I know JUDO"

Mexican guy says "I know Judo too... MEXICAN JUDO."

Chinese guy: Mexican judo...what is that?

Mexican guy: Ju don't know if I have a gun... Ju don't know if I have a knife.

EZRhino · 11-14-2003, 01:51 AM

Bruce will always kick ass in my book

dig420 · 11-14-2003, 02:54 AM

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Originally posted by EZRhino
Bruce will always kick ass in my book

He was a great actor... also you can't blame him for advances in martial arts that have only really been made since his death. He went as far as he could with the knowledge available to him.

NHB and BJJ were huge and the Gracies have been famous in Brazil for about 60-70 years, but they weren't well known to the rest of the world until Rorion came to the states and started the UFC to spread the gospel of BJJ.

$5 submissions · 11-14-2003, 02:57 AM

That is one bad ass Pinoy. Kamusta na, Pogi?

Quote:

Originally posted by Anthony_A
Let me even give you a picture so you can recognize me.

I'll be waiting.

dig420 · 11-14-2003, 03:05 AM

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Originally posted by $5 submissions
That is one bad ass Pinoy. Kamusta na, Pogi?

yeah Anthony is a heavy load if he gets side mounted on you, your technique better be pretty damn sharp to get him off before your breath gives out

$5 submissions · 11-14-2003, 03:07 AM

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Originally posted by dig420

yeah Anthony is a heavy load if he gets side mounted on you, your technique better be pretty damn sharp to get him off before your breath gives out

That's definitely the good stuff, right there!

ModelPerfect · 11-14-2003, 05:02 AM

I can't stand it anymore. Serious topic here, without the "my style is better than your style" ego thing:

First, let me say I very much believe in both grappling and stand-up fighting, and train very hard in both. And I think Gracie style is outstanding on the ground, better than most other grappling styles (excluding Machado...possibly).

Someone mentioned that NHB is just like street-fighting with the exception of a few "low-blow" techniques. From someone who's done both, I don't agree. How many street fights have you ever seen that lasted 20 minutes? It just doesn't happen; usually, it's a matter of seconds.

The "Gospel of BJJ"? I think it's blown out of proportion. Except for the seasoned stand-up fighter and if he's totally on his game, I see the strike distances existing as a heirarchy: Providing, your opponent doesn't mind eating a few shots, It's hard to fight a distance fight if the guy wants to in-fight, and it's hard to stay in-fighting if the guy wants to go to the ground. Thus, in NHB, a grappler versus a stand-up fighter has an edge: He can make the stand-up fighter fight his fight, but unless the stand-up fighter is very proficient and on his game, he'll find it tough to keep it from going to the ground. So BJJ wins and they boast they are the best street style.

BUT, the big difference is you are rarely guaranteed a one-on-one fight in the street. What happens to your face by your opponent's buddy while you're applying ude juji gatame? Probably getting stomped. So I don't think it's the absolutely end-all of martial arts, but I do think it's a very important one.

Going back to the heirarchy: Nobody likes to get hit. I've seen a notorious slug-fest fighter shoot in on a BJJ guy because he was getting pounded. If you're out-hitting the guy and he's not falling, chances are he's shooting or clinching. Oops; now it's a grappling match and his friends are on the way. Grappling in this situation isn't about rolling around until he tires out or getting a fancy lock on, it's about getting up as fast as you can and doing as much damage on the way out before his friends get to you. The last place you want to be is on the ground with 3-4 guys above you, no matter how bad you're fucking up the one you're grappling with. If you can't get away, you can at least position the guy between you and his friends. I don't think most people could reliably accomplish either without some grappling knowledge.

In a controlled environment like NHB or shootfighting, you can get by with just grappling, providing you are proficient and know how to close the gap. But in the street, you better know something about stand-up fighting, even if it's just throwing the guy without following him down. Likewise, the stand-up fighter would be well-advised to learn some ground techniques/movements/escapes, so he doesn't get mauled if he gets taken down, which is a likely event. So neither grappling nor stand-up is the end-all, but equally important. I personally wouldn't want to be in a street fight without having at least a workable knowledge in both.

OK. I'm rambling. Sorry. It's 7am and I need to sleep. Talk to you guys later.

Anthony_A · 11-14-2003, 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ModelPerfect
I can't stand it anymore. Serious topic here, without the "my style is better than your style" ego thing:

First, let me say I very much believe in both grappling and stand-up fighting, and train very hard in both. And I think Gracie style is outstanding on the ground, better than most other grappling styles (excluding Machado...possibly).

Someone mentioned that NHB is just like street-fighting with the exception of a few "low-blow" techniques. From someone who's done both, I don't agree. How many street fights have you ever seen that lasted 20 minutes? It just doesn't happen; usually, it's a matter of seconds.

The "Gospel of BJJ"? I think it's blown out of proportion. Except for the seasoned stand-up fighter and if he's totally on his game, I see the strike distances existing as a heirarchy: Providing, your opponent doesn't mind eating a few shots, It's hard to fight a distance fight if the guy wants to in-fight, and it's hard to stay in-fighting if the guy wants to go to the ground. Thus, in NHB, a grappler versus a stand-up fighter has an edge: He can make the stand-up fighter fight his fight, but unless the stand-up fighter is very proficient and on his game, he'll find it tough to keep it from going to the ground. So BJJ wins and they boast they are the best street style.

BUT, the big difference is you are rarely guaranteed a one-on-one fight in the street. What happens to your face by your opponent's buddy while you're applying ude juji gatame? Probably getting stomped. So I don't think it's the absolutely end-all of martial arts, but I do think it's a very important one.

Going back to the heirarchy: Nobody likes to get hit. I've seen a notorious slug-fest fighter shoot in on a BJJ guy because he was getting pounded. If you're out-hitting the guy and he's not falling, chances are he's shooting or clinching. Oops; now it's a grappling match and his friends are on the way. Grappling in this situation isn't about rolling around until he tires out or getting a fancy lock on, it's about getting up as fast as you can and doing as much damage on the way out before his friends get to you. The last place you want to be is on the ground with 3-4 guys above you, no matter how bad you're fucking up the one you're grappling with. If you can't get away, you can at least position the guy between you and his friends. I don't think most people could reliably accomplish either without some grappling knowledge.

In a controlled environment like NHB or shootfighting, you can get by with just grappling, providing you are proficient and know how to close the gap. But in the street, you better know something about stand-up fighting, even if it's just throwing the guy without following him down. Likewise, the stand-up fighter would be well-advised to learn some ground techniques/movements/escapes, so he doesn't get mauled if he gets taken down, which is a likely event. So neither grappling nor stand-up is the end-all, but equally important. I personally wouldn't want to be in a street fight without having at least a workable knowledge in both.

OK. I'm rambling. Sorry. It's 7am and I need to sleep. Talk to you guys later.

Rickson Gracie, the greatest BJJ fighter in the world, said more than one opponent, and I'm getting my gun. Tell me one style that is good against more than one opponent that ensures your victory 9 out of 10 and I'll be studying it. Until then, my 240lb ass is studying with the Gracies.

However, you make valid points. Points that every grappler should worry about. If we go to the ground, I'm going to be on top. Knee on stomach gives me quite a bit of flexiblity.

When everyone thinks of BJJ, they auto think fight on the ground. Watch some old Vale Tudo. BJJ are the original cross trainers, alot of us started off from stand up. Saw the efficiency of the grappling range, especially against those not versed in it.

Reak · 11-14-2003, 10:24 AM

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Originally posted by $5 submissions
Hopefully with the revival in martial arts movies that KILL BILL portends, there will be renewed interest in the works of a TRUE MASTER--BRUCE LEE!

woohooo !

Poo-Chee · 11-14-2003, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jimbo
I wouldn't call me a fan but I like his talent

Same here

DonnelKobe · 11-14-2003, 11:25 AM

Got to give Bruce props... favorite movie was return of the dragon... never seen a small framed asian male with wings this big

DonnelKobe · 11-14-2003, 11:32 AM

I always seem to be last in a thread... a day late a dollar short

Odie · 11-14-2003, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ModelPerfect
I can't stand it anymore. Serious topic here, without the "my style is better than your style" ego thing:

First, let me say I very much believe in both grappling and stand-up fighting, and train very hard in both. And I think Gracie style is outstanding on the ground, better than most other grappling styles (excluding Machado...possibly).

Someone mentioned that NHB is just like street-fighting with the exception of a few "low-blow" techniques. From someone who's done both, I don't agree. How many street fights have you ever seen that lasted 20 minutes? It just doesn't happen; usually, it's a matter of seconds.

The "Gospel of BJJ"? I think it's blown out of proportion. Except for the seasoned stand-up fighter and if he's totally on his game, I see the strike distances existing as a heirarchy: Providing, your opponent doesn't mind eating a few shots, It's hard to fight a distance fight if the guy wants to in-fight, and it's hard to stay in-fighting if the guy wants to go to the ground. Thus, in NHB, a grappler versus a stand-up fighter has an edge: He can make the stand-up fighter fight his fight, but unless the stand-up fighter is very proficient and on his game, he'll find it tough to keep it from going to the ground. So BJJ wins and they boast they are the best street style.

BUT, the big difference is you are rarely guaranteed a one-on-one fight in the street. What happens to your face by your opponent's buddy while you're applying ude juji gatame? Probably getting stomped. So I don't think it's the absolutely end-all of martial arts, but I do think it's a very important one.

Going back to the heirarchy: Nobody likes to get hit. I've seen a notorious slug-fest fighter shoot in on a BJJ guy because he was getting pounded. If you're out-hitting the guy and he's not falling, chances are he's shooting or clinching. Oops; now it's a grappling match and his friends are on the way. Grappling in this situation isn't about rolling around until he tires out or getting a fancy lock on, it's about getting up as fast as you can and doing as much damage on the way out before his friends get to you. The last place you want to be is on the ground with 3-4 guys above you, no matter how bad you're fucking up the one you're grappling with. If you can't get away, you can at least position the guy between you and his friends. I don't think most people could reliably accomplish either without some grappling knowledge.

In a controlled environment like NHB or shootfighting, you can get by with just grappling, providing you are proficient and know how to close the gap. But in the street, you better know something about stand-up fighting, even if it's just throwing the guy without following him down. Likewise, the stand-up fighter would be well-advised to learn some ground techniques/movements/escapes, so he doesn't get mauled if he gets taken down, which is a likely event. So neither grappling nor stand-up is the end-all, but equally important. I personally wouldn't want to be in a street fight without having at least a workable knowledge in both.

OK. I'm rambling. Sorry. It's 7am and I need to sleep. Talk to you guys later.

I totally agree... so just a question tho, Sifu...are u a certified Sifu?? just wondering..

dig420 · 11-14-2003, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ModelPerfect

First, let me say I very much believe in both grappling and stand-up fighting, and train very hard in both. And I think Gracie style is outstanding on the ground, better than most other grappling styles (excluding Machado...possibly).

Gracie style and Machado 'style' are the same thing, they both do BJJ.

VeriSexy · 11-14-2003, 12:30 PM

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Originally posted by puresexnow
I also prefer Mr Li to Mr Lee... ;)

Once Upon A Time in China (the first one) being a fave.

Anyone seen 'The Iceman Cometh' starring Yuen Bao?

You see the last one? Once Upon A Time in Amercia?

infectd · 11-14-2003, 12:31 PM

Right on! Bruce Lee is the man.

ModelPerfect · 11-14-2003, 01:12 PM

So any of you guys going to Internext? Maybe we'll have a chance to roll around some and swap techiniques...

Sifu · 11-14-2003, 01:20 PM

yes i am certified, I wouldn't have called myself Sifu if I wasn't , any way, you guys take care i am off for a date, take care . peace

Anthony_A · 11-14-2003, 02:11 PM

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Originally posted by ModelPerfect
So any of you guys going to Internext? Maybe we'll have a chance to roll around some and swap techiniques...

I'm always up for a chance to roll. I'll be in Vegas.

Odie · 11-14-2003, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sifu
yes i am certified, I wouldn't have called myself Sifu if I wasn't , any way, you guys take care i am off for a date, take care . peace

I was just wondering b/c my bf is one as well but in wing chung( i thinkthat's how u spell it.)

and u know the history of william chung and bruce lee then right??

ModelPerfect · 11-14-2003, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Anthony_A

I'm always up for a chance to roll. I'll be in Vegas.

Cool. Shoot me an email when you get a handle on where you'll be, and we can try to meet up.

admin[at]modelperfect.com - "Logan"

Anthony_A · 11-14-2003, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Odie

I was just wondering b/c my bf is one as well but in wing chung( i thinkthat's how u spell it.)

and u know the history of william chung and bruce lee then right??

Please. WT/VC/VT/WC all bicker more than old women at Bingo.

$5 submissions · 11-14-2003, 04:33 PM

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Originally posted by DonnelKobe
Got to give Bruce props... favorite movie was return of the dragon... never seen a small framed asian male with wings this big

Dude, nice photoset of Bruce! Thanks! According to his movie bio, Bruce used those electric muscle stimulators to simulate sit ups on his abs. Anyone know if this is accurate?

11-13-2003, 08:48 PM	#51
Anthony_A Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,219	Tell me again how your training could have stopped you from getting your ass kicked by 6 guys. Tell me again how bad ass you are. Let me tell you how. Walk, if need be, run the fuck away. You are not going to win against 6 guys. FUCKTARD. __________________ PAYBUYNET.COM Need Processing? Email me tony at paybuynet dot com ICQ 21239908

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$5 submissions I help you SUCCEED Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Pearl of the Orient Seas Posts: 32,195	The most guys I've seen fought off by one dude is about 3 during a drunken frat fight. Anthony's right, its almost impossible to fight 6 people. __________________ Need a NON-ADULT income stream? We build your YOUTUBE CHANNEL for only $20 per video! For Hire: $3/hour or $400 per month Marketing Specialist Virtual Assistants

11-13-2003, 08:52 PM	#54
dig420 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 9,240	well then tell me this sifu: why hasn't there been even ONE single JKD/TKD/Kali fighter who has won a match in NHB? Just ONE match? why does EVERY SINGLE FIGHTER who fights for a living do MT, Boxing and BJJ exclusively? What do YOU know that Vanderleigh Silva and Frank Shamrock don't? For that matter, why didn't any of these other styles prevail against Gracie Jiu-Jitsu at least ONE TIME in the hundreds of challenge matches they conducted? Why did they get their ass handed to them EVERY SINGLE TIME?? You're in So. Cali, right? Convince me. Walk into any BJJ studio and match up your JKD against a good BJJ man. Rickson has a dojo in Hollywood, Rorion has a dojo in Torrance. Come back here and tell me you whipped his ass. If you can do that, I'll join your school, but you won't for the same reason nobody else EVER has since the dawn of BJJ. It doesn't work.

11-13-2003, 08:54 PM	#55
Jamdin Registered User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Kansas Posts: 3,560	You all need to chill and play the Bruce Lee Remixer

11-13-2003, 09:07 PM	#58
dig420 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 9,240	Does it look to you like someone's playing a game in no holds barred fighting? Do they look like they're having fun or kidding around? They're breaking arms in there man, it's no fucking game, and if something works they'll use it. The only difference between NHB and a 'real' fight is you can't chunk rocks or grab a ball bat in NHB. If you think they're playing around in that ring you need to watch some UFC tapes, or better yet, Gracies in Action!

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CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	Getting back to the actual topic..... One might wonder just how famous guys like Jet Li would be today had not Bruce Lee made the inroads 30+ years ago. His impact on not only the action movie industry but the entire martial arts world is unparralleled to this day. __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634

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CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	By the way, defending against 5 or more guys is quite possible. I once fended off 9 gangbangers in a park one night using a little known technique called "Schwinn-Kwon-do". I jumped off my bike, grabbed it by the back tireframe, and swung the fucker round and round nailing 3 or 4 of them good. They picked up their wounded and ran like punks. __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634

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ModelPerfect Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USA Posts: 2,862	Damn! I just got in and missed the meaty part of the thread...wish I could have joined in, but since it appears the way of peace won out, it would be contrary to the martial philosophy to reinstate the conflict by posting my opinion. Oh well. Bruce Lee was cool.

11-14-2003, 01:51 AM	#73
EZRhino Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: couch Posts: 6,258	Bruce will always kick ass in my book

11-14-2003, 05:02 AM	#78
ModelPerfect Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USA Posts: 2,862	I can't stand it anymore. Serious topic here, without the "my style is better than your style" ego thing: First, let me say I very much believe in both grappling and stand-up fighting, and train very hard in both. And I think Gracie style is outstanding on the ground, better than most other grappling styles (excluding Machado...possibly). Someone mentioned that NHB is just like street-fighting with the exception of a few "low-blow" techniques. From someone who's done both, I don't agree. How many street fights have you ever seen that lasted 20 minutes? It just doesn't happen; usually, it's a matter of seconds. The "Gospel of BJJ"? I think it's blown out of proportion. Except for the seasoned stand-up fighter and if he's totally on his game, I see the strike distances existing as a heirarchy: Providing, your opponent doesn't mind eating a few shots, It's hard to fight a distance fight if the guy wants to in-fight, and it's hard to stay in-fighting if the guy wants to go to the ground. Thus, in NHB, a grappler versus a stand-up fighter has an edge: He can make the stand-up fighter fight his fight, but unless the stand-up fighter is very proficient and on his game, he'll find it tough to keep it from going to the ground. So BJJ wins and they boast they are the best street style. BUT, the big difference is you are rarely guaranteed a one-on-one fight in the street. What happens to your face by your opponent's buddy while you're applying ude juji gatame? Probably getting stomped. So I don't think it's the absolutely end-all of martial arts, but I do think it's a very important one. Going back to the heirarchy: Nobody likes to get hit. I've seen a notorious slug-fest fighter shoot in on a BJJ guy because he was getting pounded. If you're out-hitting the guy and he's not falling, chances are he's shooting or clinching. Oops; now it's a grappling match and his friends are on the way. Grappling in this situation isn't about rolling around until he tires out or getting a fancy lock on, it's about getting up as fast as you can and doing as much damage on the way out before his friends get to you. The last place you want to be is on the ground with 3-4 guys above you, no matter how bad you're fucking up the one you're grappling with. If you can't get away, you can at least position the guy between you and his friends. I don't think most people could reliably accomplish either without some grappling knowledge. In a controlled environment like NHB or shootfighting, you can get by with just grappling, providing you are proficient and know how to close the gap. But in the street, you better know something about stand-up fighting, even if it's just throwing the guy without following him down. Likewise, the stand-up fighter would be well-advised to learn some ground techniques/movements/escapes, so he doesn't get mauled if he gets taken down, which is a likely event. So neither grappling nor stand-up is the end-all, but equally important. I personally wouldn't want to be in a street fight without having at least a workable knowledge in both. OK. I'm rambling. Sorry. It's 7am and I need to sleep. Talk to you guys later.

11-14-2003, 11:25 AM	#82
DonnelKobe Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: California, USA Posts: 105	Got to give Bruce props... favorite movie was return of the dragon... never seen a small framed asian male with wings this big

11-14-2003, 11:32 AM	#83
DonnelKobe Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: California, USA Posts: 105	I always seem to be last in a thread... a day late a dollar short

11-14-2003, 12:31 PM	#87
infectd Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Canerda Posts: 1,122	Right on! Bruce Lee is the man.

11-14-2003, 01:12 PM	#88
ModelPerfect Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USA Posts: 2,862	So any of you guys going to Internext? Maybe we'll have a chance to roll around some and swap techiniques...

11-14-2003, 01:20 PM	#89
Sifu Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: So Cal Posts: 1,791	yes i am certified, I wouldn't have called myself Sifu if I wasn't , any way, you guys take care i am off for a date, take care . peace __________________ ICQ: 317-769-855