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basschick · 10-29-2003, 02:16 AM

norman, are you saying that jaYMan also changed his info as you say lil2rich did? and as upset as you are - and who wouldn't be? - are you certain lil2rich did? do you have a way to check the date the info was last changed? we have heard from a fair amount of people who feel that the info matrix has is unique to matrix. mine wasn't unique, but only a couple places have it that way, and matrix is one of them.

all problems between you aside, this is important. if your database was stolen in some way, it might be a lot more important than these other issues. if you could find that lil2rich and jaYMan did NOT change their info, you have a case and can stop that info being used. plus you should report that theft to the law and to the fbi immediately.

good luck with the fires - the valley is sure getting more than its share of smoke, but plenty is still making it here to hollywood.

pornJester · 10-29-2003, 02:22 AM

btw, has anyone contacted Acacia and asked where they received their name/address from?

NLB · 10-29-2003, 03:18 AM

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Originally posted by basschick
norman, are you saying that jaYMan also changed his info as you say lil2rich did? and as upset as you are - and who wouldn't be? - are you certain lil2rich did? do you have a way to check the date the info was last changed? we have heard from a fair amount of people who feel that the info matrix has is unique to matrix. mine wasn't unique, but only a couple places have it that way, and matrix is one of them.

all problems between you aside, this is important. if your database was stolen in some way, it might be a lot more important than these other issues. if you could find that lil2rich and jaYMan did NOT change their info, you have a case and can stop that info being used. plus you should report that theft to the law and to the fbi immediately.

good luck with the fires - the valley is sure getting more than its share of smoke, but plenty is still making it here to hollywood.

Nope. I take all other staments seriously. Those people should call me and help get to the bottom of this.

siccmade · 10-29-2003, 03:21 AM

To the people saying 'email your sponsors and ask them this' do you really think they're going to tell you 'oh yeah we sold them our database'

And about Matrix, why would so many people who buy matrix content just all wake up the same day and decide lets all slander matrix?

Theres enough proof in this thread and others to lead me to believe that the matrix database was used... BUT

Norm is saying it wasn't stolen, and they didn't give it away

So what the fuck is the deal here?

NLB · 10-29-2003, 03:25 AM

I agree I should report it, but I have no proof. If I could get at least 25 matches to our database I would. I would love nothing more. Trust me I have my suspicions, but I need proof of the thief first. I sat in my office Monday till the sheriff kicked me out of our office because of the fire waiting for the calls. To think I was worried my phone system would be overloaded. I think if anyone who feels their information came from our data it would be worth a call.

PornPope · 10-29-2003, 04:05 AM

After reading this long thread, any one can see the frustration
from both sides.
But now is the time to lay down your anger and those that have proof to call MC so he can do something about it.

Just coming here and saying you have proof is not good enough, to many people get caught up in threads like this and post bull shit... The man has asked you to call him and prove your match to the data base. hell im sure if you ICQed him and gave him your no# he would call you.

The way i see it now is if you are not calling or ICQing him you dont have proof or you altered it.
This is a fight against acacia, not webmasters against webmasters.. calm down and look at this objectively and help him get them. After all every notch in our belt against acacia is a plus.
and no i dont know any one from MC. just think things thru and remember united we stand and divided we fall.
Give him the benefit of doubt that you would want for yourselfs.

nuclei · 10-29-2003, 06:20 AM

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Originally posted by NLB
Look, I'm very frustrated and personal hurt by all this. So if anyone feels my comments were inappropriate, my apologies. Place yourselves in my shoes. You have works hard for years to do the best at what you do. Always helped out where you could. We would have fought till our last dime if it required turning over my customers. My expression of anger comes from the feeling of betrayal I sure my customers are feeling at the thought that we would hang them out to dry. I've spent the last 48 hours watching the directions of the fires here and am probable a little cranky. Matrix Content is like my child and I've put all my time, though, effort, and love into it. This whole situation is tearing me apart. When Babenet did not pay us we took it in the shorts and paid out every webmaster out of our pocket. Why? Because our reputation is the most important thing for us. So if you feel to continue your Matrix bashing go ahead. The truth will come out. Till then I can't do anything to stop it or disprove it. Even if we were hacked, an employee got our database, Aciacia would not use it. They are not stupid.

Norman, there is no mistake whose database it came from here. Jaime has never used that name anywhere. You are the FIRST place and that is her first adult site. and the only reason was to get a few sets for her brand new dating site design.

Veterans Day · 10-29-2003, 06:33 AM

Its so pathetic how obvious it is.

fitnessphotos · 10-29-2003, 06:49 AM

Does Matrix make its custom list available to third parties in any form - i.e. sell their list to partners?

Is it possible that Acacia was able to obtain customer information using methods other than theft or settlement?

If so, it is possible that a partner company who licensed this information rolled?

BV · 10-29-2003, 07:07 AM

I have received all of the ACACIA packets and have never bought any content from Matrix and have never registered or even looked at their web site before.

BV

icedemon · 10-29-2003, 07:08 AM

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Originally posted by NLB

First of all I would like to apologize for not being available. We were forced to evacuate our office due to the fires in California.

...The funny thing is the few people have called to prove themselves could not do so. Not one of my accusers on this board called.

So you weren't available yesterday because of the fire, but you were available for phone calls. Which is it? Where you available or were you not?

Your digging yourself a very deep hole here. You've had all weekend (plus Monday) to come up with some response on this board and all you have is that your going to sue your customers.

LadyMischief · 10-29-2003, 07:09 AM

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Originally posted by KRL

That would be nice to see, however there are far too many people who have received letters with address info matching and unique to the one they gave Matrix.

To be honest, I don't think Norman knowingly released info. But you never know if one of his employees might have unwittingly or for money.

Got to remember the money trail. It always is the source of the evil doers. Acacia has millions at stake here. When there is that much money on the table people don't always make wise decisions to accomplish their objectives.

This is kind of what I was saying before... And lynching Matrix isn't going to make the fact go away that Acacia is using ALL KINDS of databases from ALL KINDS of sources to pin people. No matter what happened here, Matrix isn't the only signee, but they are one of the only ones who came forward... That should stand in their favor, I would think. Norm is taking a fuck of a lot of heat here that he wouldn't feel the need to take if he was out and out lying.

It's easy to see why people are doing it, and the sense of betrayal is huge, I can understand that. But until anyone has DEFINITIVE PROOF that Matrix is not a victim like everyone else in this, cursing at them, threatening their business, etc isn't going to make the situation go away. There's two options here. People can work together, or they can run around screaming and pointing fingers at each other.

If Acacia is doing this to our industry, tearing it apart from the inside, causing mistrust, contention and the chaos we're seeing now, their battle is already 3/4 won for them. I have to agree with Squirtit here... It's extremely important to see the BIG picture.

LadyMischief · 10-29-2003, 07:10 AM

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Originally posted by icedemon

So you weren't available yesterday because of the fire, but you were available for phone calls. Which is it? Where you available or were you not?

Your digging yourself a very deep hole here. You've had all weekend (plus Monday) to come up with some response on this board and all you have is that your going to sue your customers.

Cel phones? What century are you from? :P It's one thing taking a cel phone with you evacuating from a fire.. taking a pc with you isn't always easy?

LadyMischief · 10-29-2003, 07:13 AM

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Originally posted by NLB
I agree I should report it, but I have no proof. If I could get at least 25 matches to our database I would. I would love nothing more. Trust me I have my suspicions, but I need proof of the thief first. I sat in my office Monday till the sheriff kicked me out of our office because of the fire waiting for the calls. To think I was worried my phone system would be overloaded. I think if anyone who feels their information came from our data it would be worth a call.

And this is where it's at. I hope you can get your matches, Norm.. It would be very vindicating for you to be able to press charges against these extortionists, and perhaps gain back some of the trust they are stripping away from our industry like the peel off a banana. I will send some people your way who are sure about it and hopefully that will help you on the way.

crockett · 10-29-2003, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by NLB
I agree I should report it, but I have no proof. If I could get at least 25 matches to our database I would. I would love nothing more. Trust me I have my suspicions, but I need proof of the thief first. I sat in my office Monday till the sheriff kicked me out of our office because of the fire waiting for the calls. To think I was worried my phone system would be overloaded. I think if anyone who feels their information came from our data it would be worth a call.

NLB, I'm giving you the benefit of doubt here.

Here are my facts, now I will admit they would not hold up in a court of law on their own. But as part of a group I'm sure it would help.

I allways use my correct personal info when signing up for something to do with my new business venture in Adult. This means my contact info is all the same, Name, address, e-mail and so on.

But the 1 very major diffrence in my contact info at Matix is the use of a single domain name. I have around 50 domain names, I have never used this 1 name anywhere but matrix content. It is the only name I ever listed at Matrix content, because I've never bought a thing from you, so I never updated my info at your store. I used this name to view your online store and that's all it never has been a website sense I've owned the name.

I called Acacia up on Mon to see what sites I own that are in violation of their claimed patents. The only domain they have on me is this single domain, and therefore this 1 single name was the reason I recived a letter from Acacia. Not because Acacia did reseach and found sites that I own, because if they did , they would not have that url being it's a dead one a 404.

Out of 50 names many I've used countless places how come this is the only name they have? Honestly if I belived for one second that My info didn't come from your contact list I'd would have never spent this much time typing. Now you can threatn to sue me or anyone else for what ever you want, you can even stick your head in a hole and pretend not to hear.

But the simple fact is I personally know 100% fact in my mind that Acacia got their information on me from your contact list. Now I want to know what you plan to do about it?

icedemon · 10-29-2003, 09:23 AM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

Cel phones? What century are you from? :P It's one thing taking a cel phone with you evacuating from a fire.. taking a pc with you isn't always easy?

There are laptops to. He can take that cell phone and laptop and hook up to the internet or take that laptop to where ever he went and hooked up to the internet. He said he was waiting by the phone until the sheriff threw him out.

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I sat in my office Monday till the sheriff kicked me out of our office because of the fire waiting for the calls

So apparently he wasn't using his cell phone.

What is happening here should teach people to think before signing with Acacia. Matrix signed and now their trust is at issue here. Their trust went down once they signed. This stuff about the database doesn't help him any further. If you want to stick up for him after he signed up with Acacia and then all this evedince that more in likely his database was used for Acacia to go after more adult companies. That's all great and good. But in war, anybody caught running away from a battle (like against Acacia) can and usually would get shot.

Giorgio_Xo · 10-29-2003, 09:33 AM

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Originally posted by pornJester
btw, has anyone contacted Acacia and asked where they received their name/address from?

I did.

The canned response from the operator was that the 'Research Dept.' had gathered my information.

Peacemaker · 10-29-2003, 10:03 AM

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Originally posted by Giorgio_Xo

I did.

The canned response from the operator was that the 'Research Dept.' had gathered my information.

let them connect you to the "'Research Dept." then and ask again?
i know, chances to get infos are like zero, but atleast you can try..

siccmade · 10-29-2003, 10:36 AM

you need 25 matches?

search GFY

I believe atleast 25 are here.

Matrix · 10-29-2003, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by PornPope
After reading this long thread, any one can see the frustration
from both sides.
But now is the time to lay down your anger and those that have proof to call MC so he can do something about it.

Just coming here and saying you have proof is not good enough, to many people get caught up in threads like this and post bull shit... The man has asked you to call him and prove your match to the data base. hell im sure if you ICQed him and gave him your no# he would call you.

The way i see it now is if you are not calling or ICQing him you dont have proof or you altered it.
This is a fight against acacia, not webmasters against webmasters.. calm down and look at this objectively and help him get them. After all every notch in our belt against acacia is a plus.
and no i dont know any one from MC. just think things thru and remember united we stand and divided we fall.
Give him the benefit of doubt that you would want for yourselfs.

Exactly

JJMedia · 10-29-2003, 03:03 PM

Nothing new??!

theking · 10-29-2003, 03:10 PM

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Originally posted by siccmade
you need 25 matches?

search GFY

I believe atleast 25 are here.

He has asked them to call him with verifiable proof...apparently none has?

crockett · 10-29-2003, 03:11 PM

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Originally posted by theking

He has asked them to call him with verifiable proof...apparently none has?

I just got off the phone with them about 30 mins ago.. call was interrupted by their lawyer.. I'm waiting for them to call me back now.

PornPope · 10-29-2003, 03:32 PM

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Originally posted by crockett

I just got off the phone with them about 30 mins ago.. call was interrupted by their lawyer.. I'm waiting for them to call me back now.

Way to go thats what needs to be done.

For those of you stating that the proof is in this thread......
wake up he cant call the law infocement with this thread.
You have to call him so he can use it. the posts hear mean nothing in court.

theking · 10-29-2003, 03:51 PM

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Originally posted by crockett

I just got off the phone with them about 30 mins ago.. call was interrupted by their lawyer.. I'm waiting for them to call me back now.

If more will follow...well...who knows...

goBigtime · 10-29-2003, 04:01 PM

Norman,

You should be emailing all of your clients letting them know of a possible compromise with your client data.

In my opinion this should have been done back in April when you were contacted about the spam coming to matrix tagged email addresses.

If you really want to be able to do something about this abuse of your customer data, and get your "25 people", then explain to your customers in a mass mailing what may have happened & ask them to review the address information on the Acacia notices they recieved and compare it to their submitted Matrix data looking for any similarities between unique information or typos that were used at Matrix.

How bad do you really want to get to the bottom of this?

Will you email your customers asking for help?

Or is this just a GFY-only thing?

KRL · 10-29-2003, 04:04 PM

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Originally posted by goBigtime
Norman,

You should be emailing all of your clients letting them know of a possible compromise with your client data.

In my opinion this should have been done back in April when you were contacted about the spam coming to matrix tagged email addresses.

If you really want to be able to do something about this abuse of your customer data, and get your "25 people", then explain to your customers in a mass mailing what may have happened & ask them to review the address information on the Acacia notices they recieved and compare it to their submitted Matrix data looking for any similarities between unique information or typos that were used at Matrix.

How bad do you really want to get to the bottom of this?

Will you email your customers asking for help?

Or is this just a GFY-only thing?

Its also THE LAW to notify us if that is the case or if not we all will have legal recourse.

California Civil Code § 1798.82 ? New Duties to Disclose A "Security Breach"

California has revised its business laws to require notification of customers if a "security breach" leads to the disclosure of customers' personal data. The new law is codified as an amendment to California Civil Code § 1798.82 and takes effect on July 1, 2003. It applies to any person or business that conducts business in California if the entity possesses "computerized ... personal information." If a "breach of the security system" occurs, defined as any unauthorized acquisition of personal data, the business must inform affected persons "immediately" unless law enforcement requests a delay. Consumers have a private right of action under the law for injunctive and civil damages relief, but no specific monetary penalties are suggested.

FightThisPatent · 10-29-2003, 04:06 PM

Catch up on all things acacia at the thread: FTP's Acacia FAQ:

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=191446

Fight the Patent!

DickShoke · 10-29-2003, 09:44 PM

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Originally posted by NLB

First of all I would like to apologize for not being available. We were forced to evacuate our office due to the fires in California. First of all lil2rich4u2, I'll let your reputation back your accusations. We track all actions by user on the site. Why did you change info? I remember talking to you before. Oh yeah, it was because I caught you infringing my content! I could have shut you down, but instead gave you a warning. This will be my final post and statement on this board. We were not hacked. We did not give our list over. We have gone over every line of our logs. We have never sold our data and never will. The only other entity that has access to our database is our DMCA department. It will come out in discovery, and I truly believe that the people slandering my company will do so no matter how I try to convince them of the truth. At that time, and it will come, I have several cases of slander and defamation to file on all you people with "100%" proof. Payback is a bitch on wheels! The funny thing is the few people have called to prove themselves could not do so. Not one of my accusers on this board called. I don't believe Acaicia would use a list not obtained through proper channels, they would have too much to loose. Just like we would have to much to loose if we gave it over. So everyone who has supported us thank you very much, which includes the people fighting the fight and the IMPA. To my accusers GO FUCK YOURSELF. Again if you think you have real proof that can stand up in court I'm always available via the phone.

Norm,
Before you say your going to get all the people on this board for trying to "slander", as you call it, your company, you got remember the title you put on this post. Let me rewrite it just in case you forgot what you wrote: "Help me prove Matrix's database was used."
Your the one that asked for it so don't get mad at the posts. In my opinion alot of the posts do show that Acacia has your list and your just mad that there is solid proof now.

Dick Shoke

siccmade · 10-29-2003, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by crockett

I just got off the phone with them about 30 mins ago.. call was interrupted by their lawyer.. I'm waiting for them to call me back now.

SiMpLe · 10-29-2003, 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NLB

First of all I would like to apologize for not being available. We were forced to evacuate our office due to the fires in California. First of all lil2rich4u2, I'll let your reputation back your accusations. We track all actions by user on the site. Why did you change info? I remember talking to you before. Oh yeah, it was because I caught you infringing my content! I could have shut you down, but instead gave you a warning. This will be my final post and statement on this board. We were not hacked. We did not give our list over. We have gone over every line of our logs. We have never sold our data and never will. The only other entity that has access to our database is our DMCA department. It will come out in discovery, and I truly believe that the people slandering my company will do so no matter how I try to convince them of the truth. At that time, and it will come, I have several cases of slander and defamation to file on all you people with "100%" proof. Payback is a bitch on wheels! The funny thing is the few people have called to prove themselves could not do so. Not one of my accusers on this board called. I don't believe Acaicia would use a list not obtained through proper channels, they would have too much to loose. Just like we would have to much to loose if we gave it over. So everyone who has supported us thank you very much, which includes the people fighting the fight and the IMPA. To my accusers GO FUCK YOURSELF. Again if you think you have real proof that can stand up in court I'm always available via the phone.

I just blew Dr. Pepper out my nose after reading that last part - Man if I ran my biz like this I would be outa biz. These are your customers man ( I am one of your customers ) and you tell them... me... to fuck off, I'm going to sue you?????? I'm speachless, don't even know what else to type - I'm gona go watch the Hulk, way more intresting than this BS, this case is now closed for me and you sealed it tight.

BrentD · 10-29-2003, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NLB

First of all I would like to apologize for not being available. We were forced to evacuate our office due to the fires in California. First of all lil2rich4u2, I'll let your reputation back your accusations. We track all actions by user on the site. Why did you change info? I remember talking to you before. Oh yeah, it was because I caught you infringing my content! I could have shut you down, but instead gave you a warning. This will be my final post and statement on this board. We were not hacked. We did not give our list over. We have gone over every line of our logs. We have never sold our data and never will. The only other entity that has access to our database is our DMCA department. It will come out in discovery, and I truly believe that the people slandering my company will do so no matter how I try to convince them of the truth. At that time, and it will come, I have several cases of slander and defamation to file on all you people with "100%" proof. Payback is a bitch on wheels! The funny thing is the few people have called to prove themselves could not do so. Not one of my accusers on this board called. I don't believe Acaicia would use a list not obtained through proper channels, they would have too much to loose. Just like we would have to much to loose if we gave it over. So everyone who has supported us thank you very much, which includes the people fighting the fight and the IMPA. To my accusers GO FUCK YOURSELF. Again if you think you have real proof that can stand up in court I'm always available via the phone.

Nice attitude there NLB towards people who already feel your lying so then you tell them to go fuck themselves, truely nice professional attitude I must say.

As far as threats towards people for slander...since when is someones beliefs and opinions slander? Not one person here has said anything slanderous that I can see.

Why didn't you show up on the netpond radio show tonight at 10PM cst like everyone said you were going to? You have nothing to tell hundreds of webmasters who put their trust in you and you let them down.

Telling someone to fuck off or saying they were owned is not slander, you migth want to fire your current lawyer and hire one that knows what they are doing.

The proof against you is enormous and in any courtroom if one of these guys sued you, its your responsibility to prove otherwise that you did nto give the list away, and since you have no idea which one of your employees turned on you, how it was hacked or tellign the truth and saying you gave it to acacia, then I guess you can not prove otherwise. Not a good situation for you.

As for me, I don't give a hairy ass fuck who you give my info to, because acacia would have contacted me regardless, because I am a content producer/broker. So do as you wish slander is not a prisonable offense and its very hard to prove, and with some of the webmasters on this board I doubt you would get blood out of turnip (wouldn't by sueing me), so if you wish to spend $5000+ proving someone slandered you or your company to get a whole $100 out of their wallet, have fun doing it.

Oh and by the way, FUCK OFF & PROVE YOUR NOT THE ASS EVERYONE SAYS YOU ARE!!!!

BrentD · 10-29-2003, 10:44 PM

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Originally posted by KRL
Just a note Norm.

Printed falsehoods are libel not slander. However the information has to be false if you want to start suing people here for libel. The overwhelming evidence thus far presented would lead one to conclusively believe the source is indeed your company. No one knows positively how our personal info was acquired by Acacia via this alleged Matrix connection. That remains a mystery.

So is there anything you can show everyone that will indicate it came from someone else besides your company?

HAHAHAHAHA!!!! NLB OWNED!!!!

BrentD · 10-29-2003, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JulianSosa
The only other entity that has access to our database is our DMCA department.

Whats that?

DMCA = Don't Mind Calling Acacia (w/ customer info department)

BrentD · 10-29-2003, 10:58 PM

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Originally posted by NLB
I will do anything to help prove it was not us. Did we talk to Acacia? Yes we did. I did not personally make the call so I don't have the details, but they denied use of our database. Do we have a disgruntaled ex-employee? Yes, what company doesn't. But I won't throw them under the bus without proof. Are we just sitting here not doing anything to disprove this? No. I asked if anyone can help me prove it was my list and very few people called. How am I to prove this with out the help of my accusers? My invatation to call me to discuss this is still open to everyone. It just seams some people would rather make acusations than get to the bottom of this. What more can I do?

Why do we have to call you so we can sit on the phone and listen to you rant and rave how the customer is the dumbfuck and we can't get a word in edge wise? I bought content form you once about 2 years ago, NO VIDEO, and now I get this letter from acacia using the same damn company name you have on fiel for me and the only company that has this name and more then jsut has proved this to you and you sit there with your fucking thumb up your ass saying call me and prove it...what a lameass fucktard (in my opinion - my slander clause)!!!!

GFED · 10-29-2003, 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BrentD

DMCA = Don't Mind Calling Acacia (w/ customer info department)

BrentD · 10-29-2003, 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BV
I have received all of the ACACIA packets and have never bought any content from Matrix and have never registered or even looked at their web site before.

BV

I recieved all that before the matrix one too, what does that prove? It proves that acacia has other methods like ummm maybe opening IE and surfing soem websites? Maybe hitting ynot and other resource sites seeking company listings? and on and on and on and on and on.....

HS-Trixxxia · 10-30-2003, 02:11 AM

Norman,
I've read all the posts - and I think onlymovies made a good point .

FYI I haven't received anything yet, but I'm expecting it. From the ones that have settled and it's out in the open, your company would be the only one that I have an account with.

What I'd like to know is:

1) Who sends out your promotional emails?
2) Where is this data kept (your servers or theirs)?
3) Have you ever done a promotional 'mailing' snail mail?
4) If yes, what company and what data was given?
5) What was your arrangement with the company, could they use this data for their benefit?

From the proof shown in the posts, I'd say it's your data.
Whatever way they got it, if you did not authorize the use of it, whoever sold it to them did so illegally. They most likely knew it was illegal - they don't sound like the honest church-going, hard-working folks.

Let's face it, this will hurt your business - I for one, who doesn't buy much content - have bought with 3 companies in 4 years - 90% was spent with your company - Unless I see you take a stand, for your rights, the future of your company or baby, as you so put it, and the rights of your customers & 'passersby' of your shop (who've never purchased anything but had to give you the info anyway) and who's info was compromised - I will not spend a penny at your store ever again - I'm just some dust on the keyboard, but I'm sure the big guys are seeing it the same way-whether their information has been compromised 'no doubt about it' from Matrix or not. If you don't do anything....it doesn't look like you appreciate our business......big or small.

For your company to get through this crisis, you have to stand up for yourself & the people putting the bread & butter on your table. Remember, their intent (AC) was to assfuck you before you settled - we just pay you for your hard work.

I think everyone would appreciate answers not threats and most certainly, no half-answered responses.

We can't help you help yourself if you aren't frank 100% of the possibilites and what can be done to track the exact course these lists obviously took. 'I don't know' just doesn't cut it.

lil2rich4u2 · 10-30-2003, 02:19 AM

Trixxxia, VERY well said.

joechip · 10-30-2003, 06:57 AM

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Originally posted by BrentD

Why do we have to call you so we can sit on the phone and listen to you rant and rave how the customer is the dumbfuck and we can't get a word in edge wise? I bought content form you once about 2 years ago, NO VIDEO, and now I get this letter from acacia using the same damn company name you have on fiel for me and the only company that has this name and more then jsut has proved this to you and you sit there with your fucking thumb up your ass saying call me and prove it...what a lameass fucktard (in my opinion - my slander clause)!!!!

Well put.

My experience coupled with the experience of all of the other webmasters that have come forward is more than enough to convince me that Matrix is the culprit. The behavior of Matrix towards webmasters who have had their privacy violated and been betrayed is just more proof of guilt, as far as I'm concerned.

Regarding the DMCA explanation that has been offered: I have to wonder why the "DMCA Department" would have my Matrix registration info. I never bought anything, I only registered (under a unique pseudonym) to look around at the content there.

Here's some more shit to wonder about- Is the mysterious DMCA Department actually APIC?

BrentD · 10-30-2003, 06:29 PM

WOW!!!! More then just matrix is handing out info, I got yet another letter today from Aca"CIA" addressed to my company name Virtual Ventures this time.

I vote for the Do Nothing method and watch these fucks spend all their money and die

Jman · 10-30-2003, 10:13 PM

Here's my story.

Today october 30th on the Island of Nanaimo, I received a letter send to JMan ;-)

It was sent to the xtremepay.com office where I work and It came from Acacia.

About 1 month or so ago. I was shopping for stills of guys with big dick for our big dick pills. Yeah we are mainstream herbal drugs company.

Was also lookinf for girls but all stills.

I had to sign up for an account at matrix.

Think i just figured out why i got this fucking Acacia Propaganda in the mail

RSCPaul · 10-30-2003, 11:16 PM

Yup, just got the ACACIA crap in mail today. I went through all the content and sponsor accounts and only one matched the address, name and company name.

It's no fun anymore to let you guess who it is as it's obvious,

MATRIX willingly or not provided their customer info to ACACIA.

So here I am with a letter from ACACIA even though I never bought anything form MATRIX....and never will.

CamJack · 11-05-2003, 10:46 AM

I just remembered this from last week:
We got a letter from Acacia and it was "attention: Tera"

Tera used to be in charge of Content Acquisiton for my company before she headed up Pornprofit and bought much content from the Norman.

I don't know if that's enough proof, just add it to the list.
Did Jon leave because of this? Maybe he didn't want to screw the people that helped feed his kids......hmmmm.

You know what always happens when you make a deal with the devil, you always get FUCKED in the end. Karmas a bitch.

Pleasurepays · 11-05-2003, 11:09 AM

Did Matrix get voted off the island yet?

I am also sure that Matrix database was used. Also, one of my partners recieved a letter and he is a programmer. He only registered once at Matrix and never bought anything and recieved a letter to what was old and unique address info from that time he registered. Not proof of anything... but when looked at within the context of the total number of people claiming the same thing, i would say it is certainly consistent with the only plausible scenario that has been put forth by webmasters.

There is just too much circumstantial evidence pointing to the same source. Not to 5 possible sources or 10... but to one.

I am sure Norman is a great guy and i dont doubt that for a second but if info was gave willingly or not, there should also be accountabilty for what happened not denial and argument.

That is the ONLY reasons his business is being hurt right now.

GFED · 11-05-2003, 11:43 AM

What ever happened to the official statement that was never given?

rooster · 11-05-2003, 11:49 AM

the official statment seemed to be that they didnt sell their list, and all these dozens of claims arent solid enough proof their list is being used. And that they had a person come in and analyzed that their system wasnt hacked.

And various other spin and bs.

My personal opinion is matrix isnt bad people, but got doublecrossed in some way and got caught with their pants down. The way they have handled has been bad though.

Shap · 11-15-2003, 06:10 PM

So what's the latest on this? Any news from matrix?

crockett · 11-15-2003, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by theking

If more will follow...well...who knows...

too bad I never had my call returned

BrentD · 11-15-2003, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by shap
So what's the latest on this? Any news from matrix?

The latest is that Matrix are still sellout fucks, won't stand up here on GFY or anywhere else except for hide behind some newsletters from avn and ynot and such and the assholes are hopefully closing up shop and filing bankruptcy because they are gonna have still pay acacia and won't be getting 80% of the sales they used to get.

(Disclaimer: this is just a personal opinion which is covered under the 1st ammendment law as freedom of speech and opinion)

10-29-2003, 02:16 AM	#301
basschick Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: el lay, ca usa Posts: 2,540	norman, are you saying that jaYMan also changed his info as you say lil2rich did? and as upset as you are - and who wouldn't be? - are you certain lil2rich did? do you have a way to check the date the info was last changed? we have heard from a fair amount of people who feel that the info matrix has is unique to matrix. mine wasn't unique, but only a couple places have it that way, and matrix is one of them. all problems between you aside, this is important. if your database was stolen in some way, it might be a lot more important than these other issues. if you could find that lil2rich and jaYMan did NOT change their info, you have a case and can stop that info being used. plus you should report that theft to the law and to the fbi immediately. good luck with the fires - the valley is sure getting more than its share of smoke, but plenty is still making it here to hollywood. __________________ Got Gay and For Women Traffic?

10-29-2003, 02:22 AM	#302
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10-29-2003, 03:21 AM	#304
siccmade Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 1,641	To the people saying 'email your sponsors and ask them this' do you really think they're going to tell you 'oh yeah we sold them our database' And about Matrix, why would so many people who buy matrix content just all wake up the same day and decide lets all slander matrix? Theres enough proof in this thread and others to lead me to believe that the matrix database was used... BUT Norm is saying it wasn't stolen, and they didn't give it away So what the fuck is the deal here? __________________ Adult XXX Hits - Adult Traffic Exchange. Get free traffic!

10-29-2003, 03:25 AM	#305
NLB Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Calabasas Posts: 225	I agree I should report it, but I have no proof. If I could get at least 25 matches to our database I would. I would love nothing more. Trust me I have my suspicions, but I need proof of the thief first. I sat in my office Monday till the sheriff kicked me out of our office because of the fire waiting for the calls. To think I was worried my phone system would be overloaded. I think if anyone who feels their information came from our data it would be worth a call. __________________ Thanks, Norman Bentley Matrix Dollars - Promote the best content! Matrix Content - The most amazing content! [email protected] ICQ: 264018789

10-29-2003, 04:05 AM	#306
PornPope Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 20	After reading this long thread, any one can see the frustration from both sides. But now is the time to lay down your anger and those that have proof to call MC so he can do something about it. Just coming here and saying you have proof is not good enough, to many people get caught up in threads like this and post bull shit... The man has asked you to call him and prove your match to the data base. hell im sure if you ICQed him and gave him your no# he would call you. The way i see it now is if you are not calling or ICQing him you dont have proof or you altered it. This is a fight against acacia, not webmasters against webmasters.. calm down and look at this objectively and help him get them. After all every notch in our belt against acacia is a plus. and no i dont know any one from MC. just think things thru and remember united we stand and divided we fall. Give him the benefit of doubt that you would want for yourselfs. __________________ Porn Pope SunRiseAdult Hosting

10-29-2003, 06:33 AM	#308
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10-29-2003, 06:49 AM	#309
fitnessphotos Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 109	Does Matrix make its custom list available to third parties in any form - i.e. sell their list to partners? Is it possible that Acacia was able to obtain customer information using methods other than theft or settlement? If so, it is possible that a partner company who licensed this information rolled? __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

10-29-2003, 07:07 AM	#310
BV wtf Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Bikini State, FL USA Posts: 10,914	I have received all of the ACACIA packets and have never bought any content from Matrix and have never registered or even looked at their web site before. BV

10-29-2003, 10:36 AM	#319
siccmade Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 1,641	you need 25 matches? search GFY I believe atleast 25 are here. __________________ Adult XXX Hits - Adult Traffic Exchange. Get free traffic!

10-29-2003, 03:03 PM	#321
JJMedia Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 44	Nothing new??!

10-29-2003, 04:01 PM	#326
goBigtime Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 7,761	Norman, You should be emailing all of your clients letting them know of a possible compromise with your client data. In my opinion this should have been done back in April when you were contacted about the spam coming to matrix tagged email addresses. If you really want to be able to do something about this abuse of your customer data, and get your "25 people", then explain to your customers in a mass mailing what may have happened & ask them to review the address information on the Acacia notices they recieved and compare it to their submitted Matrix data looking for any similarities between unique information or typos that were used at Matrix. How bad do you really want to get to the bottom of this? Will you email your customers asking for help? Or is this just a GFY-only thing?

10-29-2003, 04:06 PM	#328
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10-30-2003, 02:11 AM	#338
HS-Trixxxia Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Montreal Canada Posts: 2,946	Norman, I've read all the posts - and I think onlymovies made a good point . FYI I haven't received anything yet, but I'm expecting it. From the ones that have settled and it's out in the open, your company would be the only one that I have an account with. What I'd like to know is: 1) Who sends out your promotional emails? 2) Where is this data kept (your servers or theirs)? 3) Have you ever done a promotional 'mailing' snail mail? 4) If yes, what company and what data was given? 5) What was your arrangement with the company, could they use this data for their benefit? From the proof shown in the posts, I'd say it's your data. Whatever way they got it, if you did not authorize the use of it, whoever sold it to them did so illegally. They most likely knew it was illegal - they don't sound like the honest church-going, hard-working folks. Let's face it, this will hurt your business - I for one, who doesn't buy much content - have bought with 3 companies in 4 years - 90% was spent with your company - Unless I see you take a stand, for your rights, the future of your company or baby, as you so put it, and the rights of your customers & 'passersby' of your shop (who've never purchased anything but had to give you the info anyway) and who's info was compromised - I will not spend a penny at your store ever again - I'm just some dust on the keyboard, but I'm sure the big guys are seeing it the same way-whether their information has been compromised 'no doubt about it' from Matrix or not. If you don't do anything....it doesn't look like you appreciate our business......big or small. For your company to get through this crisis, you have to stand up for yourself & the people putting the bread & butter on your table. Remember, their intent (AC) was to assfuck you before you settled - we just pay you for your hard work. I think everyone would appreciate answers not threats and most certainly, no half-answered responses. We can't help you help yourself if you aren't frank 100% of the possibilites and what can be done to track the exact course these lists obviously took. 'I don't know' just doesn't cut it. Last edited by HS-Trixxxia; 10-30-2003 at 02:14 AM..

10-30-2003, 02:19 AM	#339
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10-30-2003, 06:29 PM	#341
BrentD ZothNET.com Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Central PA Posts: 1,422	WOW!!!! More then just matrix is handing out info, I got yet another letter today from Aca"CIA" addressed to my company name Virtual Ventures this time. I vote for the Do Nothing method and watch these fucks spend all their money and die __________________ WordPress Specialist Xenforo/IPS/VB Specialist https://www.zothnet.com

10-30-2003, 10:13 PM	#342
Jman Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Canuckstikan Posts: 22,767	Here's my story. Today october 30th on the Island of Nanaimo, I received a letter send to JMan ;-) It was sent to the xtremepay.com office where I work and It came from Acacia. About 1 month or so ago. I was shopping for stills of guys with big dick for our big dick pills. Yeah we are mainstream herbal drugs company. Was also lookinf for girls but all stills. I had to sign up for an account at matrix. Think i just figured out why i got this fucking Acacia Propaganda in the mail __________________ email: [email protected] Best AI Affiliate Program We also do WL at $0.00 upfront costs FantasyXXX.AI Teams: jean.francois.laverdiere TG: @jman1216

10-30-2003, 11:16 PM	#343
RSCPaul Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 92	Yup, just got the ACACIA crap in mail today. I went through all the content and sponsor accounts and only one matched the address, name and company name. It's no fun anymore to let you guess who it is as it's obvious, MATRIX willingly or not provided their customer info to ACACIA. So here I am with a letter from ACACIA even though I never bought anything form MATRIX....and never will. __________________ <a href="http://www.isharecash.com/refisc.php?a=i101"><img src="http://www.isharecash.com/promo/isharecash/banners/120x60_isc1.gif" width="120" height="60" border="0"></a><br> <a href="http://www.isharecash.com/refisc.php?a=i101">Weekly Payouts, Top-Converting Niche Sites<br>Free Hosted Galleries, Secure Epoch Third-Party Processing.</a>

11-05-2003, 10:46 AM	#344
CamJack Old School Webmaster Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NY Posts: 1,334	I just remembered this from last week: We got a letter from Acacia and it was "attention: Tera" Tera used to be in charge of Content Acquisiton for my company before she headed up Pornprofit and bought much content from the Norman. I don't know if that's enough proof, just add it to the list. Did Jon leave because of this? Maybe he didn't want to screw the people that helped feed his kids......hmmmm. You know what always happens when you make a deal with the devil, you always get FUCKED in the end. Karmas a bitch. __________________ Skype: promote.promote [email protected]

11-05-2003, 11:09 AM	#345
Pleasurepays BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I live in a pile of boogers Posts: 11,913	Did Matrix get voted off the island yet? I am also sure that Matrix database was used. Also, one of my partners recieved a letter and he is a programmer. He only registered once at Matrix and never bought anything and recieved a letter to what was old and unique address info from that time he registered. Not proof of anything... but when looked at within the context of the total number of people claiming the same thing, i would say it is certainly consistent with the only plausible scenario that has been put forth by webmasters. There is just too much circumstantial evidence pointing to the same source. Not to 5 possible sources or 10... but to one. I am sure Norman is a great guy and i dont doubt that for a second but if info was gave willingly or not, there should also be accountabilty for what happened not denial and argument. That is the ONLY reasons his business is being hurt right now.

11-05-2003, 11:43 AM	#346
GFED Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 8,120	What ever happened to the official statement that was never given? __________________ https://www.flow.page/savethechildren

11-05-2003, 11:49 AM	#347
rooster Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,384	the official statment seemed to be that they didnt sell their list, and all these dozens of claims arent solid enough proof their list is being used. And that they had a person come in and analyzed that their system wasnt hacked. And various other spin and bs. My personal opinion is matrix isnt bad people, but got doublecrossed in some way and got caught with their pants down. The way they have handled has been bad though.

11-15-2003, 06:10 PM	#348
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	So what's the latest on this? Any news from matrix?