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BRISK 10-22-2003 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream


not registered - no proof of receipt. - thus no noticication.

Don't you mean notification?

Mike AI 10-22-2003 05:10 PM

RICO: Businesses' Best Weapon Against Bribes, Kickbacks and Other Forms of Corporate Corruption

http://www.ricoact.com/ricoact/articles.asp

Bladewire 10-22-2003 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BRISK
This is a list of companies that have settled with Acacia:

Hustler websites
Vivid Entertainment
Wicked Pictures
Scorescash
CECash

Copy this and add to the list

Who else has settled?

This is a list of companies that have settled with Acacia:

Hustler websites
Vivid Entertainment
Wicked Pictures
Scorescash
CECash
PlatinumBucks (unconfirmed.. was told via ICQ please confirm)

Copy this and add to the list

Who else has settled?

Bladewire 10-22-2003 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mike AI
RICO: Businesses' Best Weapon Against Bribes, Kickbacks and Other Forms of Corporate Corruption

http://www.ricoact.com/ricoact/articles.asp

Real interesting there.. looks like some shady things have gone down and might apply to what's going on here! Thanks for the info.

InsaneGreen 10-22-2003 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Squirtit


This is a list of companies that have settled with Acacia:

Hustler websites
Vivid Entertainment
Wicked Pictures
Scorescash
CECash
PlatinumBucks (unconfirmed.. was told via ICQ please confirm)

Copy this and add to the list

Who else has settled?

platinum bucks HAS signed

its on the letter acacia sent me.

Mike AI 10-22-2003 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Squirtit


Real interesting there.. looks like some shady things have gone down and might apply to what's going on here! Thanks for the info.

I knew I spent 3 years in law school for somthing! :)

Mr Pheer 10-22-2003 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Squirtit


This is a list of companies that have settled with Acacia:

Hustler websites
Vivid Entertainment
Wicked Pictures
Scorescash
CECash
PlatinumBucks (unconfirmed.. was told via ICQ please confirm)

Copy this and add to the list

Who else has settled?

Traffic Cash Gold (Dellwood Holdings)

Mr.Fiction 10-22-2003 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Squirtit


Real interesting there.. looks like some shady things have gone down and might apply to what's going on here! Thanks for the info.

When the adult industry goes on the offensive against Acacia, it will be a good day.

Bladewire 10-22-2003 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MrPheer


Traffic Cash Gold (Dellwood Holdings)

This is a list of companies that have settled with Acacia:

Hustler websites
Vivid Entertainment
Wicked Pictures
Scorescash
CECash
PlatinumBucks
Traffic Cash Gold - TCG (Dellwood Holdings)


Copy this and add to the list

Who else has settled?

Bladewire 10-22-2003 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mike AI


I knew I spent 3 years in law school for somthing! :)

Yeah.. there might be more use for you yet! :)

quiet 10-22-2003 05:24 PM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
I have strong sources telling me that Acacia is offering licenses for $5000USD flat per Quarter for Adult companies who gross more than $5,000,000 per year from membership sales.

http://finance.messages.yahoo.com/b...80497&mid=22926

20K a year eh? btw your link doesn't work...

Bladewire 10-22-2003 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by InsaneGreen

what if you link to a plugin of videos with its own interface that opens in a new window?


according to them.. yes

Bladewire 10-22-2003 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction


When the adult industry goes on the offensive against Acacia, it will be a good day.

It's happening.. we are uniting on this :thumbsup

swedguy 10-22-2003 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet


20K a year eh? btw your link doesn't work...

http://finance.messages.yahoo.com/bb...0497&mid=22926

Sharpie 10-22-2003 05:43 PM

Been looking for news on the Aciacia news conference today... finally found something at http://chat.ynotmasters.com/public/C...77&Site_ID=yno

Bladewire 10-22-2003 05:43 PM

This is a list of companies that have settled with Acacia:

Hustler websites
Vivid Entertainment
Wicked Pictures
Scorescash
CECash
PlatinumBucks
Traffic Cash Gold - TCG (Dellwood Holdings)


Copy this and add to the list

Who else has settled?

Someone has to have this list.. please post it.. if not in public.. then my ICQ. Thanks!

Sharpie 10-22-2003 05:48 PM

And more info here:

http://www.netpond.com/threaded/show...&threadid=6914

Far-L 10-22-2003 05:54 PM

I will be happy to answer questions about the defense group but anyone interested should call me: 206-852-5566 preferably 9 to 5 pacific standard time during weekdays.

Bladewire 10-22-2003 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Far-L
I will be happy to answer questions about the defense group but anyone interested should call me: 206-852-5566 preferably 9 to 5 pacific standard time during weekdays.
Good move Far-L ! I'll call tomorrow :)

Ludedude 10-22-2003 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim
couple of things here.

First off, why would Acacia be sending legal documents to an account name instead of the persons name? Obviously if they have the address, they know who the pay to is on the check. No attorney would send docs to someone calling them by anything other than their correct and legal name.

Kim, my company received a package from those blowhards addressed to a domain name. All our domains have the same corporate whois info but papers were sent to the domain name and not the company. I'm sure it's because they're not too savvy about the net ;)

gin 10-22-2003 06:02 PM

amazing. not even 1 sponsor has defended themselves. there is probably some term on their pages when you sign up that says they can legally give out your information.

this is how i THINK the acacia shit went down.

acacia sent them a packet. demanding 5% and they contacted a lawyer about fighting it. they were told it could take years and millions of dollars to defend this and you would be better off just settling. These days, the sponsors aren't making what they used to (because of all the competition), scared shitless about this 1% charge back ratio, no way they would want to fight this in court and spend millions more. So they descide to settle but 5% to some of the big affiliate programs is alot of money, expecially since they would have to pay 5% since they opened their sites over 5 - 10 years ago. that number can be up to 10 million $$$ or more. so the affiliate program tells acacia there is no way they can pay this, "we don't have this kind of money" but maybe we can work out a deal. how about we sign and you can tell everybody that we signed. by us signing, all of our affiliates are now breaking patent laws because they have not signed. because they are breaking patent laws, we will make your life 500% easier by giving you all of the information of people that are illegally signed up to our sites. That is all we can do for you, because if you want this kind of money, it's plain and simple "we do not have it"

if you are suspecting certain affiliate programs, go thru and see if their terms of signing up have changed. they could of easily added in the line "If you are breaking patent laws your information may be giving to 3rd parties" because when you signed up it says "these terms may change frequently without notification and you are supposed to check these terms daily"

that's my
:2 cents:

Bladewire 10-22-2003 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gin
amazing. not even 1 sponsor has defended themselves. there is probably some term on their pages when you sign up that says they can legally give out your information.

this is how i THINK the acacia shit went down.

acacia sent them a packet. demanding 5% and they contacted a lawyer about fighting it. they were told it could take years and millions of dollars to defend this and you would be better off just settling. These days, the sponsors aren't making what they used to (because of all the competition), scared shitless about this 1% charge back ratio, no way they would want to fight this in court and spend millions more. So they descide to settle but 5% to some of the big affiliate programs is alot of money, expecially since they would have to pay 5% since they opened their sites over 5 - 10 years ago. that number can be up to 10 million $$$ or more. so the affiliate program tells acacia there is no way they can pay this, "we don't have this kind of money" but maybe we can work out a deal. how about we sign and you can tell everybody that we signed. by us signing, all of our affiliates are now breaking patent laws because they have not signed. because they are breaking patent laws, we will make your life 500% easier by giving you all of the information of people that are illegally signed up to our sites. That is all we can do for you, because if you want this kind of money, it's plain and simple "we do not have it"

if you are suspecting certain affiliate programs, go thru and see if their terms of signing up have changed. they could of easily added in the line "If you are breaking patent laws your information may be giving to 3rd parties" because when you signed up it says "these terms may change frequently without notification and you are supposed to check these terms daily"

that's my
:2 cents:

At least it's some kind of explanation.

SPONSOR PROGRAMS PLEASE SPEAK UP HERE!

We here from them constantly to pump their product.. this seems an easy question to answer. Now it's after hours so I'm sure we'll see some input tomorrow.. I hope. I wish this all wasn't true. We need to stand together on this and not be left out in the cold to be picked off one by one.

gin 10-22-2003 06:09 PM

4.5 That nothing on, in or associated with your web site violates any laws, regulations, rules or customs, including but not limited to violation of regulations set forth at 18 U.S.C. Section 2257 et seq., or violate or infringe any rights of any person or entity, including any intellectual property rights, including, without limitation any copyrights, patent rights, trademark rights, trade secret rights, or rights of publicity, or any person?s or entities? privacy rights or any other personal or proprietary rights of any kind; and


bam, first one i looked at. cecash has that in their terms. if you are violating patent you are breaking their rules, wonder how many other affiliate programs have this? or if it's just them? :feels-hot

SmartAdultMovies 10-22-2003 06:15 PM

From TrafficCashGold

8. Procedure Relating to Alleged or Actual Third Party Rights Infringement by a Participating Webmaster.
Upon COMPANY's receipt of a proper notice of alleged copyright, trademark, service mark or publicity rights violation by Your participating website (the Notice of Infringement Form used by COMPANY can be found at TCGII Infringement Form, COMPANY will notify You and ask that You provide written documentation of your right to use the allegedly infringing material in your website. That documentation must be: (a) a license of the rights; (b) consent from the rights holder or their agent; or (c) a written statement from You or Your attorney (in either email or fax form) explaining Your claim to have a lawful right, or a legal defense, to display the allegedly infringing material.

If You do provide COMPANY with appropriate rights documentation (a, b or c, above), COMPANY will forward that documentation to the rights holder or their agent, as appropriate. Should the rights. holder/agent not be satisfied, COMPANY will provide the rights holder/agent with Your contact information in order that they may contact You and pursue any remaining dispute with You directly.

If you fail to provide the COMPANY an appropriate written response (a, b or c, above), You will have ten (10) days from the date of COMPANY's original notification to You to remove the complained of content. Should you fail to remove said content within ten days, the referring URL containing the complained of content will be blocked and any funds otherwise due and payable to You relating to the referring URL will be forfeited, UNTIL SUCH TIME AS YOU PROVIDE AN APPROPRIATE WRITTEN RESPONSE. You will also be placed in an "infringer" database, and should repeated complaints be made against you for rights violations, COMPANY has the right to permanently terminate You from the Traffic Cash Gold program.

HOW TO REPORT ALLEGED RIGHTS INFRINGEMENT BY A WEBMASTER PARTICIPATING IN THE TRAFFIC CASH GOLD PROGRAM

If you are the holder, or authorized representative of the holder, of a copyright, trademark, service mark, or publicity right that you have reason believe is being infringed by a third party webmaster participating in the Traffic Cash Gold program, please click on this link, download the information page and fax or mail the completed page as indicated: TCGII Infringement Form

-----------------------------------------------------

A little different than CEcash's.

newwaveconcepts 10-22-2003 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by brand0n
thats pretty fucked up.. snitch on your friends to cover your own ass?
That's fucked up, hopefully not true

Fletch XXX 10-22-2003 06:19 PM

this is getting good.

doober 10-22-2003 06:23 PM

indeed!

fletch you get my mail?

pamphage 10-22-2003 06:25 PM

i dont know who did it, but i only have one thing to say to whichever affiliate program did:
<IMG SRC=http://66.9.83.78/gfy/youdick.jpg>

gin 10-22-2003 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SmartAdultMovies
If You do provide COMPANY with appropriate rights documentation (a, b or c, above), COMPANY will forward that documentation to the rights holder or their agent, as appropriate. Should the rights. holder/agent not be satisfied, COMPANY will provide the rights holder/agent with Your contact information in order that they may contact You and pursue any remaining dispute with You directly.
:eek2 , wonder if anybody has saved the terms and conditions of an affiliate program from 3 months ago and to see if their terms have changed after signing with acacia?

doober 10-22-2003 06:28 PM

pretty sure you can check the webarchives.org to see

doober 10-22-2003 06:28 PM

btw that 200 sponsors helping acacia out!

Fletch XXX 10-22-2003 06:30 PM

Sorry man, I just walked in from hanging at a friend's for a bit. But I just got the mail and that certainly makes sense, and ill reply in a bit.

Aside from that, I think it's funny they marketed this letter as a 'FINAL NOTICE' as if they had sent me multiple letters and I have dodged them.

Pretty shady tactics.

Debating having my uncle lawyer give them a call, thus far I didnt even think this kind of shit would affect me since I do not run paysites like most of you.

But nonetheless, my final notice is here and I have 30 days to pay. ;)

Bladewire 10-22-2003 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gin
4.5 That nothing on, in or associated with your web site violates any laws, regulations, rules or customs, including but not limited to violation of regulations set forth at 18 U.S.C. Section 2257 et seq., or violate or infringe any rights of any person or entity, including any intellectual property rights, including, without limitation any copyrights, patent rights, trademark rights, trade secret rights, or rights of publicity, or any person?s or entities? privacy rights or any other personal or proprietary rights of any kind; and


bam, first one i looked at. cecash has that in their terms. if you are violating patent you are breaking their rules, wonder how many other affiliate programs have this? or if it's just them? :feels-hot

Some points regarding CE Cash and TrafficCashGold are:

1) when did their terms change and did they notify people?

2) Having video content doesn't mean you are violating a patent, it means you COULD be violating a patent. As the patent hasn't been held up in a court of law yet, they have no justification for giving out peoples info.

3) TCG's statement indicates they will notifiy you before proceeding further.. has anyone been notified by them?

Any more questions you guys have for them?

Fletch XXX 10-22-2003 06:32 PM

the fact they address it to made up words, and do not even give urls make this even more lame.

:1orglaugh

Bladewire 10-22-2003 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by doober
btw that 200 sponsors helping acacia out!
How do you mean?

Flow 10-22-2003 06:34 PM

Way back when, when they did that Internet interview with Bergman (don't remember who did the interview, but it was good) they specifically asked about affiliates and the double dip potential.

Bergman pretty much said that if we license a company we (Acacia) cannot legally go after the affiliates (he said the legal definition of affiliate and the way it is used in the adult industry are different so I use this term loosely, as defined by the adult industry). He said that such a "double dip" is not allowed by law. So if they sign with an sponsor program, they cannot go after you to linking to their sites unless you are offering video on your own sites. Not sure how this applies to hosted video galleries, but by just having a text or banner link with your ref-code in it that links to a site that offers videos I am pretty sure you are safe. Of course, if you have videos on your sites - does not apply, but to link to an affiliate and have to pay these fees, in Bergmans own words is illegal.

Don't remember the specifics, but I think that sums it up pretty nicely.

Flow

Jizar II 10-22-2003 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Squirtit


How do you mean?

DOH!

Bladewire 10-22-2003 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Flow
Way back when, when they did that Internet interview with Bergman (don't remember who did the interview, but it was good) they specifically asked about affiliates and the double dip potential.

Bergman pretty much said that if we license a company we (Acacia) cannot legally go after the affiliates (he said the legal definition of affiliate and the way it is used in the adult industry are different so I use this term loosely, as defined by the adult industry). He said that such a "double dip" is not allowed by law. So if they sign with an sponsor program, they cannot go after you to linking to their sites unless you are offering video on your own sites. Not sure how this applies to hosted video galleries, but by just having a text or banner link with your ref-code in it that links to a site that offers videos I am pretty sure you are safe. Of course, if you have videos on your sites - does not apply, but to link to an affiliate and have to pay these fees, in Bergmans own words is illegal.

Don't remember the specifics, but I think that sums it up pretty nicely.

Flow

The specifics were that they would not go after the affiliates for the companies content that already signed. He made it clear that if an affiliate linked to other sites with content, or had their own content.. it wasn't covered. ONLY the cotent of companies that signed.

Do you now see a motive behind signing for a big company? "PROMOTE OUR MATERIAL AND YOU'RE SAFE" LIttle did people know that their info was being given to Acacia by some.

FightThisPatent 10-22-2003 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BRISK
This is a list of companies that have settled with Acacia:


New Frontier

FightThisPatent 10-22-2003 06:48 PM

LodgeNet Entertainment Corporation
Grupo Pegaso - Mexico
Radio Free Virgin
CinemaNow Inc
Interactive Gallery Inc
L.F.P. Inc.
SBO Pictures dba Wicked Pictures
GO Entertainment



http://www.acaciatechnologies.com

Press Releases from Acacia


Fight the Patent!


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