Who do you blame for all the industry problems, if anyone? - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

FRANKENSTEIN · 07-10-2003, 07:42 PM

50 Bish

I blame the dishonest people in the industry. Surfers and webmaters alike. Scammers, Spammers and flat out thieves.

If everyone were honest, there would be very few chargebacks, Visa/MC would be more agreeable, and all around it would be easier to sell to surfers, because they would be used to a standard of honesty and reliability.

It's going to take a LONG time to repair all of the damage that dishonesty has done to the industry on the whole... if it's even at all possible. But, I think for the time being, you should all just send me your traffic.

Thanks in advance.

Digipimp · 07-10-2003, 07:52 PM

All money is not smart money and some greedy cocksuckers still haven't learned that.

docjohnson · 07-10-2003, 08:31 PM

I think it's a great thing to get rid of free-trials. These tgp conditioned surfers only bought trials because they thought they were free, then charged back when they realised it wasn't. I hope this signals the beginning of the end of the free porn model...

sexeducation · 07-11-2003, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by malakajoe

Do you mean the front fuckin page? Is that what you have meant this whole fuckin time?

Fuck, you get dumber by the fuckin day.

Yes.
We start there where most adults agree.

NO AROUSED GENITALS OR REPRODUCTIVE BODILY FLUIDS ON ANY DIRECTLY ACCESSED DOMAIN NAME.

That's where we all can agree that improvements to the internet need to be made.

Do you disagree - and why?

ElvisManson · 07-11-2003, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt
Babenet and Python at the top of the list.

Jesus...you just DON"T get it do you.....lol

Buff · 07-11-2003, 10:56 AM

I blame myself for not filming my exploits years ago.

Buff · 07-11-2003, 10:57 AM

I also blame the people who kept putting FREE on everything, even though it wasn't. Bad Karma.

Jakke PNG · 07-11-2003, 10:58 AM

I blame al gore.

Brujah · 07-11-2003, 10:59 AM

Webmaster Fraud.

nazgul · 07-11-2003, 11:00 AM

I know i am kind of a newbie and all, but aren't there other steps that wembasters can take in order to reduce charge backs.

Like prove that the user came to your site, and purchased access, etc? I know that I can't charge back tangible goods if I just dont' like it. So why not figure out a way through visa and mastercard to decrease the number of charges backs they issue.

There are a lot of new technologies on the market that can help you finger print a user, and prove that user actually recived the intangilbe goods they purchased. Hell maybe part of the terms and conditions for a site is that the user is forced to download one of these apps.

Seems to me that is where the industry needs to look in the long run.

Naz

TheGoldenChild · 07-11-2003, 11:11 AM

I Blame J Styles

I just know somehow it was the Content Blowout thing that killed the radio star

Now because his prices are so low his story is too short.

J Styles without a sales pitch, is the end of the industry!

TheGoldenChild · 07-11-2003, 11:13 AM

I'd also like to encourage you all to look at my sig- SEE WHAT IS SAYS....

$50 dollars today BITCH!

Who esle is paying $50 today ???

Mailers??

contact me.

fantasyman · 07-11-2003, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by kBizzle
I'd also like to encourage you all to look at my sig- SEE WHAT IS SAYS....

$50 dollars today BITCH!

Who esle is paying $50 today ???

Mailers??

contact me.

KB CECash pays $55 everyday

TheGoldenChild · 07-11-2003, 12:04 PM

CECash pays $55 everyday ... Say that's "per Active" on your Follow Me Free program, right? How many people convert from free trial to "active member", Ron? 30% 40%? Even if it's 50% that's only $27.50 ... I'm saying $50 flat ... no deductions not "per active" TODAY! You run a great program. We all know that. But you're not comparing apples to apples on this one Ron

I love you and I love looking forward to having some chicken and disco with you at the Holio Compound-

Ron you are the best marketer on the web ever-
Give a brother some props for learning from the master.

Carrie · 07-11-2003, 12:08 PM

Brad, I find this thread very interesting.

When will SICCash be lowering payouts and making changes?
SICCash is also using practices such as two pre-checked cross-sells on the join form, payouts of $20-$30 on "free" signups and $30-$45 on trial signups - surely you will be one of the programs making changes as well?
But you've made no mention so far that you will also have to make these changes.

Let's see - Who Wants to Fuck A Billionaire, join form
[pre-checked] Click here to signup for a 4 day NO CHARGE Membership to Broadband XXX Movies - Four Day Trial Membership. After 4 days, Membership renews automatically at $37.97 every 1 month.
[pre-checked] Click here to signup for a 5 day NO CHARGE Membership to Milf Seeker - Five Day Trial Membership. After 5 days, Membership renews automatically at $39.95 every 1 month.

Shouldn't that be "Click here to NOT signup"? As it's already clicked and they're already signing up by default?

And here's the Broadband XXX FREE join form
[pre-checked] Click here to signup for a 3 day NO CHARGE Membership to Adult Movie Network - No Charge Three Day Trial Membership. After 3 days, Membership renews automatically at $39.95 every 1 month.
[pre-checked] Click here to signup for a 5 day NO CHARGE Membership to Live Show - Five Day Trial Membership. After 5 days, Membership renews automatically at $39.61 every 1 month.

Same thing, and nowhere on this page does it state that this 3-day free trial must be cancelled within TWO days or the surfer is going to get charged for $39.95.

Let's do the match.
Dumb surfer Joe Blow sees all of this FREE ACCESS plastered all over your site and signs up. Anxious to get to the content, he types in his info, skips past the tiny little text links that lead to the full disclosure on a different page, and gets into the site.
48 hours into his 72-hour "free" trial, he is charged with $39.95.
After 72 hours he gets billed for his first "free" pre-checked cross-sell for $39.95.
After 120 hours he gets billed for his second "free" pre-checked cross-sell for $39.61.

That's a total of $119.51 for a FREE pass.

But wait - the join form's pre-checked options say that the surfer is signing up for a free trial, and after 3 or 5 days (respectively) he'll be charged. Yet your terms of service - on another page of course, not this one - state that trial memberships must be cancelled at least one full day before the trial membership ends.
So which is it? Will the surfer be charged after 3/5 days for these additional cross-sells as it's stated on the join form, or will he really be charged after 2/4 days as it's stated on the terms of service page?

Do not ask for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee...

D-Money · 07-11-2003, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kBizzle
CECash pays $55 everyday ... Say that's "per Active" on your Follow Me Free program, right? How many people convert from free trial to "active member", Ron? 30% 40%? Even if it's 50% that's only $27.50 ... I'm saying $50 flat ... no deductions not "per active" TODAY! You run a great program. We all know that. But you're not comparing apples to apples on this one Ron

I love you and I love looking forward to having some chicken and disco with you at the Holio Compound-

Ron you are the best marketer on the web ever-
Give a brother some props for learning from the master.

FM, I'll slap him around for you later.

$55 is pretty impressive, daily even.

KB, nice apples today.

BradShaw · 07-11-2003, 12:27 PM

SIC CASH will be making changes. What exactly they are, I am still working on. I will spend the weekend evaluating spreadsheets, running #'s, etc.

BTW, SIC CASH chargebacks are well within Visa limits. I believe that we could keep our model 97% how it is, and stay below 1%. But I also understand and respect the changes Epoch is making, and we will support them.

49thParallel · 07-11-2003, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 12clicks

don't you have burgers to flip, letters to write to the FTC, or AOL teen chat rooms to hang out in?

When are you going to get it through your head that you are just plan trailer trash scum. Now quit darkening my threads with your useless dribble... Or at least get back to writing rogue code for your SI sites....

And get some new material!...geez your fry comments get tired after awhile...

Oh why do I bother...let's cut to the chase...you are unintelligent, common trash, and a bore to boot...

Time to get back to my fries...boy you sure showed me... Give it up Ron..it's embarrasing for both of us.

Greg B · 07-11-2003, 12:33 PM

I work in several industries and they all have the same problems.

It's not endemic to the adult industry.

It usually boils down to incompetence, criminal/unethical practices.

That's all.

The ONLY way to defend and support your industry is to team up, hunt down and rat-out the crooks. If you let a guy 'slide' he'll eventually slide right up your ass.

Any lenience to these industry damaging practices is like someone working with you, stealing, and using your name. Guilt by association.

Carrie · 07-11-2003, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BradShaw
SIC CASH will be making changes. What exactly they are, I am still working on. I will spend the weekend evaluating spreadsheets, running #'s, etc.

BTW, SIC CASH chargebacks are well within Visa limits. I believe that we could keep our model 97% how it is, and stay below 1%. But I also understand and respect the changes Epoch is making, and we will support them.

Good job! I look forward to seeing that announcement - every program that cuts out these confusing join form tactics is going to help the industry in the long run (Epoch rules or not) and bring money back into the equation.

candyflip · 07-11-2003, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

me too... they should deliver.

Manhattan McDonald's do deliver.

Brujah · 07-11-2003, 12:36 PM

WTH, I'll blame Enron and Worldcom too.

12clicks · 07-11-2003, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 49thParallel

Time to get back to my fries...boy you sure showed me...

I figured it was your lunch break.

You never told us wether the guy from the FTC laughed in your face or if he was polite enough to wait until after you hung up.

49thParallel · 07-11-2003, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 12clicks

I figured it was your lunch break.

You never told us wether the guy from the FTC laughed in your face or if he was polite enough to wait until after you hung up.

First, my fine and educated gentleman - wether should be whether.

And don't fool yourself into a false sense of security...

And please, if not for me, then for the sack of the children...start working on some new material Ron...you are really starting to be quite the bore.

Oh, and here's the rest of the quote from my post that you chose not be paste....kind of puts your snippet in a better prospective.

When are you going to get it through your head that you are just plan trailer trash scum. Now quit darkening my threads with your useless dribble... Or at least get back to writing rogue code for your SI sites....

And get some new material!...geez your fry comments get tired after awhile...

Oh why do I bother...let's cut to the chase...you are unintelligent, common trash, and a bore to boot...

Time to get back to my fries...boy you sure showed me... Give it up Ron..it's embarrasing for both of us.

12clicks · 07-11-2003, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 49thParallel

First, my fine and educated gentleman - wether should be whether.

And don't fool yourself into a false sense of security...

And please, if not for me, then for the sack of the children...start working on some new material Ron...you are really starting to be quite the bore.

Oh, and here's the rest of the quote from my post that you chose not be paste....kind of puts your snippet in a better prospective.

When are you going to get it through your head that you are just plan trailer trash scum. Now quit darkening my threads with your useless dribble... Or at least get back to writing rogue code for your SI sites....

And get some new material!...geez your fry comments get tired after awhile...

Oh why do I bother...let's cut to the chase...you are unintelligent, common trash, and a bore to boot...

Time to get back to my fries...boy you sure showed me... Give it up Ron..it's embarrasing for both of us.

I thought I'd cut out your idiotic ramblings so you wouldn't get lost re-reading your brilliance.

so anyway, don't dodge the question. The FTC guy you complained to......did he or did he not wait till he hung up to laugh at you?

eticlit · 07-12-2003, 01:40 PM

Lawrence Connor

Theo · 07-12-2003, 01:49 PM

Lawrence O' Connor for sure is a guy that would chargeback a porn membership

eticlit · 07-12-2003, 04:26 PM

Peaches · 07-12-2003, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 49thParallel

First, my fine and educated gentleman - wether should be whether.

And don't fool yourself into a false sense of security...

And please, if not for me, then for the sack of the children...start working on some new material Ron...you are really starting to be quite the bore.

Oh, and here's the rest of the quote from my post that you chose not be paste....kind of puts your snippet in a better prospective.

When are you going to get it through your head that you are just plan trailer trash scum. Now quit darkening my threads with your useless dribble... Or at least get back to writing rogue code for your SI sites....

And get some new material!...geez your fry comments get tired after awhile...

Oh why do I bother...let's cut to the chase...you are unintelligent, common trash, and a bore to boot...

Time to get back to my fries...boy you sure showed me... Give it up Ron..it's embarrasing for both of us.

The fact that you corrected someone else's spelling/grammar and then followed it by the rest of your post is going to be giving me giggles for a few days!

Porn Mickey · 07-13-2003, 04:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by NoCarrier
TGP's with millions of free pictures and movies educated surfers to enjoy free porn.

Jakke PNG · 07-13-2003, 04:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by candyflip

Manhattan McDonald's do deliver.

I'm still in awe, I wish McD in finland would deliver. Now I have to drive a car for almost 5 minutes... well, 2 minutes.

Jakke PNG · 07-13-2003, 04:46 AM

..well, if I had a car.

Brujah · 07-13-2003, 04:51 AM

I forgot. I wanted to blame COUNTRY MUSIC too.

Eyecandy · 07-13-2003, 04:54 AM

I blame all the surfers who will NOT buy memberships to my sites... Those fucking BASTARDS... They are the ones to blame...

easyfun · 07-13-2003, 05:47 AM

High pay outs to partners for free trials just got to go and the quicker the better.

When a surfer joins a site for free (FREE) and finds he has paid a 100 bucks or even 1 buck - And also finds he has joined 2-3 other sites without realising it - He isn't going to be joining any more sites in a hurry.

The big players in this industry are fucking the surfer AND all other webmasters lower down the chain.

07-10-2003, 07:42 PM	#51
FRANKENSTEIN Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Transylvania Posts: 272	50 Bish I blame the dishonest people in the industry. Surfers and webmaters alike. Scammers, Spammers and flat out thieves. If everyone were honest, there would be very few chargebacks, Visa/MC would be more agreeable, and all around it would be easier to sell to surfers, because they would be used to a standard of honesty and reliability. It's going to take a LONG time to repair all of the damage that dishonesty has done to the industry on the whole... if it's even at all possible. But, I think for the time being, you should all just send me your traffic. Thanks in advance. __________________ Pieces of flesh

07-10-2003, 07:52 PM	#52
Digipimp BP4L OT DL Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: BP4L Swap Meet Posts: 13,481	All money is not smart money and some greedy cocksuckers still haven't learned that. __________________ Still Hosting at Webair and You Should Be Too

07-10-2003, 08:31 PM	#53
docjohnson Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 173	I think it's a great thing to get rid of free-trials. These tgp conditioned surfers only bought trials because they thought they were free, then charged back when they realised it wasn't. I hope this signals the beginning of the end of the free porn model... __________________ Do you need SERIOUS SEO done for competitive keywords? See if one of my three plans will fit your needs today! You may qualify for my TOP10 Guarantee! Skype me @ mrclean78

07-11-2003, 10:58 AM	#58
Jakke PNG ex-TeenGodFather Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Suomi Finland Perkele Posts: 20,306	I blame al gore. __________________ ..and I'm off.

07-11-2003, 10:59 AM	#59
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	Webmaster Fraud. __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

07-11-2003, 10:56 AM	#56
Buff GFY Assassin Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,993	I blame myself for not filming my exploits years ago.

07-11-2003, 10:57 AM	#57
Buff GFY Assassin Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,993	I also blame the people who kept putting FREE on everything, even though it wasn't. Bad Karma.

07-11-2003, 11:00 AM	#60
nazgul Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 227	I know i am kind of a newbie and all, but aren't there other steps that wembasters can take in order to reduce charge backs. Like prove that the user came to your site, and purchased access, etc? I know that I can't charge back tangible goods if I just dont' like it. So why not figure out a way through visa and mastercard to decrease the number of charges backs they issue. There are a lot of new technologies on the market that can help you finger print a user, and prove that user actually recived the intangilbe goods they purchased. Hell maybe part of the terms and conditions for a site is that the user is forced to download one of these apps. Seems to me that is where the industry needs to look in the long run. Naz

07-11-2003, 11:11 AM	#61
TheGoldenChild Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Pacific Palisades Posts: 6,940	I Blame J Styles I just know somehow it was the Content Blowout thing that killed the radio star Now because his prices are so low his story is too short. J Styles without a sales pitch, is the end of the industry! __________________

07-11-2003, 11:13 AM	#62
TheGoldenChild Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Pacific Palisades Posts: 6,940	I'd also like to encourage you all to look at my sig- SEE WHAT IS SAYS.... $50 dollars today BITCH! Who esle is paying $50 today ??? Mailers?? contact me. __________________

07-11-2003, 12:04 PM	#64
TheGoldenChild Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Pacific Palisades Posts: 6,940	CECash pays $55 everyday ... Say that's "per Active" on your Follow Me Free program, right? How many people convert from free trial to "active member", Ron? 30% 40%? Even if it's 50% that's only $27.50 ... I'm saying $50 flat ... no deductions not "per active" TODAY! You run a great program. We all know that. But you're not comparing apples to apples on this one Ron I love you and I love looking forward to having some chicken and disco with you at the Holio Compound- Ron you are the best marketer on the web ever- Give a brother some props for learning from the master. __________________

07-11-2003, 12:08 PM	#65
Carrie Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Virgin - nee Posts: 3,162	Brad, I find this thread very interesting. When will SICCash be lowering payouts and making changes? SICCash is also using practices such as two pre-checked cross-sells on the join form, payouts of $20-$30 on "free" signups and $30-$45 on trial signups - surely you will be one of the programs making changes as well? But you've made no mention so far that you will also have to make these changes. Let's see - Who Wants to Fuck A Billionaire, join form [pre-checked] Click here to signup for a 4 day NO CHARGE Membership to Broadband XXX Movies - Four Day Trial Membership. After 4 days, Membership renews automatically at $37.97 every 1 month. [pre-checked] Click here to signup for a 5 day NO CHARGE Membership to Milf Seeker - Five Day Trial Membership. After 5 days, Membership renews automatically at $39.95 every 1 month. Shouldn't that be "Click here to NOT signup"? As it's already clicked and they're already signing up by default? And here's the Broadband XXX FREE join form [pre-checked] Click here to signup for a 3 day NO CHARGE Membership to Adult Movie Network - No Charge Three Day Trial Membership. After 3 days, Membership renews automatically at $39.95 every 1 month. [pre-checked] Click here to signup for a 5 day NO CHARGE Membership to Live Show - Five Day Trial Membership. After 5 days, Membership renews automatically at $39.61 every 1 month. Same thing, and nowhere on this page does it state that this 3-day free trial must be cancelled within TWO days or the surfer is going to get charged for $39.95. Let's do the match. Dumb surfer Joe Blow sees all of this FREE ACCESS plastered all over your site and signs up. Anxious to get to the content, he types in his info, skips past the tiny little text links that lead to the full disclosure on a different page, and gets into the site. 48 hours into his 72-hour "free" trial, he is charged with $39.95. After 72 hours he gets billed for his first "free" pre-checked cross-sell for $39.95. After 120 hours he gets billed for his second "free" pre-checked cross-sell for $39.61. That's a total of $119.51 for a FREE pass. But wait - the join form's pre-checked options say that the surfer is signing up for a free trial, and after 3 or 5 days (respectively) he'll be charged. Yet your terms of service - on another page of course, not this one - state that trial memberships must be cancelled at least one full day before the trial membership ends. So which is it? Will the surfer be charged after 3/5 days for these additional cross-sells as it's stated on the join form, or will he really be charged after 2/4 days as it's stated on the terms of service page? *Do not ask for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee...*

07-11-2003, 12:27 PM	#67
BradShaw Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: KB's trailer Posts: 7,840	SIC CASH will be making changes. What exactly they are, I am still working on. I will spend the weekend evaluating spreadsheets, running #'s, etc. BTW, SIC CASH chargebacks are well within Visa limits. I believe that we could keep our model 97% how it is, and stay below 1%. But I also understand and respect the changes Epoch is making, and we will support them. __________________ Sig too big http://www.gofuckyourself.com/gfy_faqs.html Want to use a large banner in your sig??? Contact Eric about getting on as an advertiser - eric AT adult.com

07-11-2003, 12:33 PM	#69
Greg B So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: EARTH (for the time being) Posts: 7,014	I work in several industries and they all have the same problems. It's not endemic to the adult industry. It usually boils down to incompetence, criminal/unethical practices. That's all. The ONLY way to defend and support your industry is to team up, hunt down and rat-out the crooks. If you let a guy 'slide' he'll eventually slide right up your ass. Any lenience to these industry damaging practices is like someone working with you, stealing, and using your name. Guilt by association.

07-11-2003, 12:36 PM	#72
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	WTH, I'll blame Enron and Worldcom too. __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

07-12-2003, 01:40 PM	#76
eticlit So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 41	Lawrence Connor

07-12-2003, 01:49 PM	#77
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	Lawrence O' Connor for sure is a guy that would chargeback a porn membership

07-12-2003, 04:26 PM	#78
eticlit So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 41	NO!

07-13-2003, 04:46 AM	#82
Jakke PNG ex-TeenGodFather Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Suomi Finland Perkele Posts: 20,306	..well, if I had a car. __________________ ..and I'm off.

07-13-2003, 04:51 AM	#83
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	I forgot. I wanted to blame COUNTRY MUSIC too. __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

07-13-2003, 04:54 AM	#84
Eyecandy Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Right next to someone else! Posts: 286	I blame all the surfers who will NOT buy memberships to my sites... Those fucking BASTARDS... They are the ones to blame... __________________ Looking for a great design deal? Take a look at: Pixel Work - turnkeys for sale Or hit me up on ICQ# 317716015

07-13-2003, 05:47 AM	#85
easyfun Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 731	High pay outs to partners for free trials just got to go and the quicker the better. When a surfer joins a site for free (FREE) and finds he has paid a 100 bucks or even 1 buck - And also finds he has joined 2-3 other sites without realising it - He isn't going to be joining any more sites in a hurry. The big players in this industry are fucking the surfer AND all other webmasters lower down the chain. __________________ <p><embed width="120" height="60" src="http://www.harlotcash.com/harlot_3.swf"><br> </p>