Blahh
Its all spin.

Aw

They don't have time to fight wars...their military forces and finances are going towards helping the people in the Congo.

ah not iraq..

are the weapons of mass destructuction now in iran with all the el-kaida terrorists ? :Graucho

theking:

OK.. I hear all this... I've sat down and read some of this stuff with those in the US whose chosen profession is healthcare. I doubt they would agree with you.

This is not about people in these professions.. there are many .. well.. damned excellent people there with firm beliefs in what they are doing.. and they do it well.

The bottom line is... education in the US is.. I dunno if it ever was high (I don't know the history of education in the US) ... but currently it is... well "not too good"! I suspect it was good at some point ... if you look at the numbers of folks who visited the US for further education, this was fairly high. But has kinda plunged in the last few years in preference to education in several other countries. (This ain't connected to 9/11 problems blah)

In healthcare... sorry.. I just can't agree! :glugglug The US has one of the worst healthcare systems in the western world. BUT.. again, I know a good few doctors there and it ain't them that are causing the problems.. tis the system.. it sinks to hell and back.
Tis corrupt as hell and tied heavily to politics... but then, ya know all that!

In "my Utopia" I know a couple of US docs... they sure as hell ain't got one ounce of sympathy for the US healthcare system! I had my ears bashed with this long enough with them! These are guys who tried damned hard to treat folks and are just totally pissed off with the system, - so they "escaped" and function well in "Utopia" :Graucho

So you recommend that terrorist operate freely. Because nobody else if going to do the job. Lets just let third world countries develope nuclear bombs while we are at it. Lets live in a world where it is possible for any terrorist group to obtain nuclear weapons and commit nuclear terror. You recommend just ignoring problems like that. Prehaps we all should wait until they buy a hydrogen bomb off the black market and kill a few million people before we realize that we have a problem.

Na.. they are behind my bubba's place near Crawford, Texas! :Graucho

Kenny.. Lenny or whatever ya are called..

"So you recommend that terrorist operate freely."

Assumption

"Because nobody else if going to do the job. "

Assumption


"Lets just let third world countries develope nuclear bombs while we are at it."

Assumption


"Lets live in a world where it is possible for any terrorist group to obtain nuclear weapons and commit nuclear terror. "

Stupid assumption


"You recommend just ignoring problems like that."

Assumption


"Prehaps we all should wait until they buy a hydrogen bomb off the black market and kill a few million people before we realize that we have a problem."

Mmm... none of the above.. just the dribble of an idiot.

None of that is going to happen because the United States will prevent it from being possible. You talk as if we ignore the problem it will go away. You can't picture tradegy until it happens. You seem to think that we should allow it to be possible. I apologize if this isn't the case. But exactly what do you fucking recommend that we do? I think preventing tradegy before it happens is the best approach.
If you actually think that the problem will go away your the fucking idiot. So what is it that you recommend?

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Education (including a college education) is available to all that have an average IQ and the will to attend. Scholarships...State and Federal grants...Job Study Programs...and student loans. No one in the USA is deprived of attending college. There is an abundance of health care...and free health care...it is just that not everyone has private insurance for health care and that is the squawk. The lack of ability for the poor to attend college is a myth...and the lack of health carre for the poor is a myth.

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You said the above is dribble. I pointed out to you that it isn't. A college education and health care is available to all at little to no expense.

Now you are switching to quality of education and quality of health care. Well...OK.

The United States used to be number one in the world for literacy and may still be. The quality of lower education has been on the decline since the sixties and there are a multitude of reasons for this and could be corrected if the powers that be would get serious about it and I think that, at some point in time, with further decline they will get serious about it. It is not a lack of funding that is the primary problem with lower education...but in some parts of the nation more funding would be useful.

I do not know it to be fact, but I suspect that more people from other countries attend our Universities than any country on the earth.

The quality of health care in the USA is as good as any. The USA pretty much leads the field in medical technology and procedures. The wealthy from all around the world still come to the USA for treatment (which is not to say that some do not go to a few other countries).

A mixture of still more assumptions and some... I dunno where ya get this... but a big load of confidence in your government to be a cure all. They seem to think so as well, and good luck to em - but I'd be wary of this unqualified optimism. Sounds like a small pin may burst that balloon...

can´t we just agree on that america is the most superior country on earth and close this thread ??

why do so many people actually respond to pages and pages of the same dum shit other people are saying.

Well I don't what you are thinking, but at least they are attemping to do something about. I think that is better then pretending that it will go away. Anyway I am through with this thread..

Oh hell! *g*

I originally raised both health and education as a subject the Admin needed to address... you assume we drop one?

DUH? *lol* When was that??? And no, it sure is not the top for "literacy in the world"!! *LOL* Gee.. I sure wish it was sometimes! Where the hell did you ever even suspect that was the case?? That idiot Bush utter that claim?? *lol*

No.. more misconceptions... neither is this accurate in numbers of attendees or pro rata institutions. The current situation is that US colleges are finding it harder without the fees contributed by foreign students. The UK has more foreign students than anyone, followed by France and Spain. US used to be up the scale, but the standard of degrees where not acceptable to many foreign companies as employers of potential graduates.

That is not a measure of anything. It still regularly peaks betwen 34th - 36th on the ratings, even behind that of several "supposed" third world countries. You know.. these "shit countries" some people talk about in ignorance. But yes, there are been much valuable research in the US in the middle of a load of bullshit.

The US Admin has done fuck all about anything unless ya include lying, breaking treaties to suit the occasion, and hyping paranoia to a level not seen since McCarthy.. They live off this. Tis the most 'unfree democracy'... (odd the way this word is misused).. in the Western world.

In the process they have killed their own citizens and thousands from other countries and just *cannot* do anything constructive in the aftermath - this would be alien to the "doctrine". They ain't killed off any terrorism, never mind found the "perp", but have incited terrorism. So if ya call that "doing something" - I'd prefer your Admin shut the fuck up and stay strictly within US territory cos they ain't able to handle the "real world".

Mohammad Khatami has been the president of Iran for the last years. He is far from conservative or religion freak. He is opposed to all religion freaks that still have power in his country and tries to changes things. Here's some info about him
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/1373476.stm

Of course Mr.Bush can deal better with these situations.

Soul_Rebel:

I agree!! Georgie has MUCH more intelligence and they tell me he is a good Christian man as well (tho, ain't seen one shred of that in over two years).... So I'm sure he will have another "cure all" for Iran! :Graucho

I have a medical backgrund, and actually some of the reforms GWB has in place for healthcare sound excellent. That is putting healthcare back in the hands of Dr's as opposed to the damned litigation lawyers.

I am not from the United States, but healthcare in the US is probably the best in the world. It is not the most efficient, but if you are covered by insurance you won't get better healthcare anywhere else on average.

HAHAH ROFL what a fucking idiot ...:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Soo true......

another gangsta here? check sig!

Well here is your list, sorry I did not come back straight away but I have a life outside GFY

Top Ten Senate Recipients of Pro-Israel PAC Funds

Current Election Cycle

Johnson, Tim (D-SD) 86,165

Levin, Carl (D-MI) 84,529

Baucus, Max (D-MT) 84,100

Durbin, Richard (D-IL) 76,000

Cleland, Max (D-GA) 69,750

McConnell, Mitch (R-KY) 62,000

Carnahan, Jean (D-MO) 45,500

Harkin, Tom (D-IA) 44,750

Smith, Robert (R-NH) 40,430

Smith, Gordon (R-OR) 39,839

Career

Levin, Carl (D-MI) 649,387

Harkin, Tom (D-IA) 506,450

Daschle, Tom (D-SD) 463,135

Specter, Arlen (R-PA) 381,623

McConnell, Mitch (R-KY) 347,425

Durbin, Richard (D-IL) 321,671

Baucus, Max (D-MT) 316,348

Bingaman, Jeff (D-NM) 261,425

Robb, Charles (D-VA) 255,093

Reid, Harry (D-NV) 253,802

Top Ten House Recipients of Pro-Israel PAC Funds

Current Election Cycle

Davis, Artur (D-AL) 63,067

Berkley, Shelley (D-NV) 39,345

Cantor, Eric (R-VA) 29,280

Gephardt, Richard (D-MO) 23,415

Hastert, J. Dennis (R-IL) 22,000

Cardoza, Dennis (D-CA) 15,500

Pelosi, Nancy (D-CA) 15,000

Harman, Jane (D-CA) 14,500

Levin, Sander (D-MI) 13,500

Rothman, Steven (D-NJ) 13,500

Career

Gejdenson, Sam (D-CT) 335,601

Gephardt, Richard (D-MO) 158,295

Obey, David (D-WI) 149,100

Berkley, Shelley (D-NV) 139,755

Frost, Martin (D-TX) 131,364

Engel, Eliot (D-NY) 108,668

Levin, Sander (D-MI) 100,027

Lowey, Nita (D-NY) 88,088

Gilman, Benjamin (R-NY) 84,543

Evans, Lane (D-IL) 79,629

From this page, it took me all of 10 minutes to find it.

http://www.wrmea.com/archives/november02/0211026.html

I await your apology.

OK your turn now, show us the literacy list that put's the US at the top.

And as usual stating what you think rather than what you know. Again show us the list.

And the above is a perfect example of why Bush is widely seen, not only in the Middle East but in Europe as well, as the greatest threat to world peace for decades.

It is also a perfect example of why the US face a terror threat. That kind of attitude of "we will reshape the world whichever way we please" is what have made it easy for the terrorists to recruit. With the invasion of Iraq in blatant violation of international law, all the terror groups and fundamentalist groups can for years keep on pointing to the Afghanistan and Iraq wars as proof of what they have been saying for decades: That US is anti Islam and only care about Israel.

Far from creating safety for the US, the Bush approach is making it so much easier for the terrorists to proliferate. The Bush administration fail to recognise that threat of dying in battle against the US is not seen as a threat by a muslim fundamentalist who believe that dying in holy war means immediate ascension to paradise, and that anything seen as US aggression against Islam makes it easier for fundamentalist clerics and terrorists to justify any and all violence against US interests as holy war.

Fighting against someone who have decided to take up arms because they believe in a cause and consider it an honour to die for the cause is a whole lot different from fighting against a drafted or hired regular army.

One mans terror is another mans freedom fight. The US is being targetted because it has been an active supporter of oppression and an agressor in countless military conflicts. As long as the US keep that up, the terrorists will have an easy job recruiting, for exactly the same reason you believe that the US government will keep on fighting against terror. These people don't blow up Americans for fun, they do it because they see it as their only weapon against American aggression.

Their immediate reason for hating the US may be varied. For some it is the one sided support for Istrael in the ongoing Israeli-Palestinian war. For others it is the from their viewpoint infidel US forces on holy muslim ground (Saudi Arabia has two of Islams most holy sites), or US aggression against Afghanistan and Iraq, or the US support for the hated Shah of Iran, or past US support for Saddam, or US (CIA) support in overthrowing Indonesias elected government in the 60's, resulting in a prolonged military dictatorship (which, in addition to hurting the muslim majority also was a key factor in the genocide of half a million east timorese)

But for many it results in seeing the US as a dangerous oppressive force that must be defeated at all cost.

To many of them, YOU are the terrorists, and the groups you fight are freedom fighters. They want you stopped as much as you want them stop.

That cycle won't end just by killing a few terrorists. It will stop first when the US government stops creating an environment that makes it so easy for the terrorists to recruit.

evilpurple
It is very simple, when the Muslims give as much money to the politicians as the Jews it will turn around until them it will stay as it is.

And it's the same for us, when we out contribute the religious right, we will also be left alone.

kingy baby or pathfinder.
Still waiting for your relpy on my post.

How many did you want? Or did I get disqualified by doing too many?

This thread can be summarized in 2 words, "fucked up."

I guess that might be considered payback for the US support for the murderous dictatorship of the Shah of Iran, and for the Israeli illegal occupation of Palestine and terror against the palestinian people.

The more you meddle, the more aggressive you have to expect peoples response to be.

Its so funny watching the US bashers at work. Like it makes a fucking difference. :1orglaugh
charly, I didn't know you were a jew hater. or are you just dopey?
Israel has been a staunch supporter of the US and visa versa. They also don't commit terrrorist attacks on americans.
You guys are so dopey, I gotta meet a handfull of you some day. please, scrape together a years worth of your net earnings and take the bus to a show so I can see what kind of person thinks like this.:1orglaugh

Where do you see that Charly is a " Jew hater" ????

If you do not support the US policy on the middle east or Israel policy you become automatically a " Jew hater"...

I can't understand how, by merely looking at the history ( the real one, not the one doctored by GFY posters), you can't realize that all Middle East conflicts started with the creation of Israel.

At the beginning, it wasn't Israel doing the problems, but since they sure learned the methods of terrorism....

Obviously, you are of Jewish descent, and don't have the capacity to analyse the whole picture....


PS to TheKing: did you die???? or did Charly shoved a ButtPlug up your ... mouth...lol

I am not bashing the US, nor do I hate Jews, being 1/4 jewish myself.

It is the direction your President has taken the US which we hate. No Israel does not commit terrorist attacks on the US, it does so on Palestine instead.

You could have met me at the last three Vegas show, the last three Amsterdam shows, the last two Berlin shows and the next Miami show.

The amount of money you make is not going to make you any more or less right.

directfiesta
You have to remember, "If you are not for us you are against us" or words to that effect.
This is nothing new Macarthy who was nothing but a spineless bully, made a name for himself persecuting people for their beleifs or his perception of their beliefs. And it has carried on, if we critcise Bush we are therefore US Haters or communists, if we criticise their policy in the Middle East we are anti semetic. I have a lot of admiration for the European Jews who pushed out the British by acts of terrorism. Or is the murderer of an unarmed soldier a "Freedom Fighter" even when the killer is not from the country he is trying to liberate?
Sticky one that.

Literacy in US is only 97%
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...k/geos/us.html

Most other western countries have 100% or 99% according to CIA

I don't think it's a secret that the US generally have an elite of scholars that is unrivaled in the whole world in terms of quality and especially quantity - however, the basic education in the US is poor compared to other western countries.

I'm sure he will be back soon, you don't frighten a boy like him this easily. He might be watching TV like I was last night, or down the unemployment office getting his check, lots of options.

:eek2

12clicks is a funny guy

he runs a click brokerage and that makes his opinion the word of god

doesn't bill gates vote democrat?

if money is the mark of your worth, 12clicks really is a very small fish

:1orglaugh

Nice :thumbsup

theking will never apologize

because theking is never wrong

:1orglaugh

i think he's on the bush payroll to set all these nasty misguided pornographers right about the world

I'm sure there is a point to this drivel. Can someone find it for me?:1orglaugh