Oddly Mike.... "Webbyland" has been hailed by your own countrymen as a "true example of democracy in action" - as well as by many other countries... so don't knock things you ain't got a clue about cos it don't do ya too much justice :Graucho

Those are good quotes Mike but I've already seen them. I prefer the Einstein quote anyway.

Still waiting for your list of countries you've visited , how long you've spent in each of them and where you stayed (5 star hotel, youth hostel, family or friends etc)

Thanks.

Mmmm.. first day of kindergaten in all of em....

Did you have a point to make?

Watch it Mike AI...if you say anything other than a hostel...Joe Sixpack will flame you. He is a man of the masses.

Ah... thats the reason of invading Iraq!!!

I've been totally ignorant until this time.. I thought it was:

(a) because Hussein was on the verge of launching WMD at the US. At least that's what the "thing" said and who am I to not believe him.

(b) to topple Hussein and give "our freedoms" to the people of Iraq. Mmmm.. still waiting on that yet...

(c) in a general action against some "war on terrorism" cos that nasty Saddam is harboring terrorists blah.


I even took time out to see the massive amount of evidence as to why the US should invade immediately... but alas.. all these locations of sites containg WMD don't seem to be valid no more...
I thought ... forgive me, that it was just a matter of invading, visiting these sites and collecting the "evidence"... but hell, these damned clever Iraqi's have managed to devise a way of removing *ANY* traces of WMD from these locations... clever!! Nobody else had made this much progress in handling WMD material!

A meaningful interview.. even allowed in US media, was with Blix... this was before any invasion. Asked if he considered Iraq would use WMD at invasion time.... *slight laugh* and "No, I doubt we will see any WMD being used by Iraqi forces". I thought about that in my naivity and considered... this guy knows *something* somehow :Graucho

Mmmm brings up the matter of a country that has and is developing/refining more WMD than any country in the world...
but, hell, that's another story! :Graucho

so you want saddam in power?

you want north korea to drop a nuke on south korea or japan and kill a few million people?

"There were multiple reasons..."

I firmly believe that the primary reason is strategic positioning for military and other strategic purposes. None the less the reasons were/are multiple and there is not a singular reason.

Is this mean't to be answered?

Ah.. you concerned about South Korea being bombed?? Na.. just sleep well and we won't see South Korea bombed - that is the kinda crap ya hear only from Washington and we know they can be trusted to deliver the truth in any subject under the sun...

Kinda sums it up ... there are many reasons that's for sure and the first you quoted typifies the attitude.

You keep harping about our current President. This President just as all Presidents of the past cannot act without the backing of the Congress...the Court and the people. Every President since the 2nd World War has engaged our military.

You surely understand that no matter what man/woman occupies the office of the Presidency the United States will do anything and everything necessary to defend its position in the world of being the richest most powerful nation the world has ever known for as long as it can sustain the position. Certainly no President will stand by and allow the continental USA to be attacked. I am surprised that the government has been so repressed in its response. Those that are our enemies or potential enemies would be better served by not pissing off the USA any further. Pre-emption is now our policy and will be for future years.

Of course democracy doesn't work. It turned a perfectly good country into a super power filled with millionaire/wealthy sheep that live in a bubble.:1orglaugh

Obviously something went wrong:Graucho

When will the US be bringing liberation and freedom to the people of Congo.. they certainly could do with some intervention..

I do not think it will be anytime soon...any nation has to prioritize and dealing with real and perceived/potential threats are at the top of the list.

Hello?? Ah yea... your current "President" did get the backing of Congress of course - I assume it was with the same lies he issued to all others.. or was the tale different then?

Who is disputing the role of a President to protect the country?

And who in Iraq... a country many miles away.. declared any war on the US??

And... what "evidence" existed for any pre-emptive strike??

This adventure is not the first since the "thing" occupied the Whitehouse - there are many more issues than the "thing's war on terrorism" when he has lied and decieved. Hell.. his solution to solving employment in the US is limited to saying "jobs" thirty times in a speech. Tis much the same as his "Saddam" speeches - the more ya hear em, the dim in society believe him. This asshole is cloaking himself in a "newly minted wartime guise" to avoid declaring his inability to do fuck all.

Is this a man you would trust?? If you think so, ask any other country on the planet and some truths may emerge?

I apologise about harping about the "thing" - but I'd trust a raving junky with 25 cents more than I'd trust one word out of the "things" lying head.

Apart from that... God bless America... cos they are gonna need it...

ah yeah.. I guess only 3million dead in the last four years.. they only have machetes though.. so not really worth the effort.

The irony of that was... the US sat back and watched... avoiding too much in the media.. while 800,000 people were massacred there.

A request was made for some 7000 "peace keepers" from this proud and civilized nation, but not one emerged. There was obviously no "US interest". After all.. they were "non people" living in some "shit country" alien to any state in the US.

Bottom line...they do not represent a threat to the USA. There is an entire world full of countries and of course the UN. Maybe they could act...well then again of course they won't...the US would not be there with their leadership...money...or military forces.

Sounds more like the govt of the nation needs to pull its finger outta it's ass and address revelvant issues like "serving" the citizens - (oh damn... I said that five word they all forgot - "serve"!) - and deal with the economy, education.. and for fucks sake, some healthcare system - it's the fucking joke of the Western world!

You'd think the US was the first country to have a bout - only one so far - of "terrorism"... where they been for 25 years??

Isn't the US one of how many countries...is it 192? I have already pointed out in my other post why the other countries will not act.

no they don't represent a threat. It's obvious from that logic though that the liberation of Iraqi people had nothing to do with invading Iraq (although a nice spinoff). The invasion was because of 'risk assessment' of Iraq.

Now we should scrutinize whether this assessment was accurate. To me Iraq did not appear like a threat before the invasion and nothing that has happened since has convinced me they were a threat.

DUH?? Was that an answer?? If that came from any responsible person in Washington (and there are still some!).. they'd be told to go fuck themselves and see some damaging relations from many countries.

Who give a fuck if they are a "threat to the USA"! Jesus!

United States wants to destroy terroism. Iraq was a key role in the war on terroism. Countries that support terroism in any shape or form will be changed one way or the other. After Bush is out of the office the war will continue. As long as the majority of americans support this war it will last until the objective is complete. If the goverments of some countries want to harbor terror, finace terror, not support anti-terror legistration then those countries need a new goverment. The american people want terror to be defeated, americans volunteer to fight, and are proud to fight for this purpose.
For people who don't like it, if the only thing they can do is sterotype half a billion people as sheep. Then they already lost the argument. The united states is the worlds super power, the mass majority of people in this country enjoy living here. There is nothing that anybody can do about it.

Education (including a college education) is available to all that have an average IQ and the will to attend. Scholarships...State and Federal grants...Job Study Programs...and student loans. No one in the USA is deprived of attending college. There is an abundance of health care...and free health care...it is just that not everyone has private insurance for health care and that is the squawk. The lack of ability for the poor to attend college is a myth...and the lack of health carre for the poor is a myth.

no need to repeat yourself kenny.

Read my posts in total. The United States is not the only country on the earth. What is the Utopia you live in doing for the people in the Congo. There is a world full of countries...what are they doing for the people in the Congo. What is the UN doing for the people in the Congo. Can't the fucking world do a singular thing alone without the leadership...expertise...finances...and military forces of the USA? The fucking world critisizes the US if it acts and critisizes if it doesn't, while sitting on the side lines with their thumb stuck up their ass.

kenny :


First, learn how to spell the word that has been thrust in your face for months.

Second... Iraq has fuck all to do with any "role in the war on terrorism" - if you don't agree, provide the evidence your own government failed to do.

Third.. anyone who commits terrorist acts needs a "remedy". The US is in no way qualified to say fuck all about any other nation on any subject. It can't manage its own affairs. It is also ... almost.,, the last country on this planet qualified to handle "terrorism" or the aftermath of actions it may take.

So.. get an education for a start and open your eyes to the next state and what actually goes on in your proud nation. While ya are at it.. try and find out more about the US foreign policy.. (if ya can find it).. cos ya may learn some things about why people feel the way they do.

Fuck me.. we got Ari Fleischer on the board.. never heard such a load of utter dribble... Tell all that to many US citizens, I'm sure if it was repeated enough, some would believe...

Hell.. "my Utopia" has a higher degree of literacy than the US and a health system currently.. two pegs higher than the US (according to WHO) and that ain't no achievement since the US is 34th in line!

Atleast we get cheap oil out of the iraq deal.

We also have a base now to attack any other countries that need it in the middle east. Plus we can pay for all the military in the gulf now with Iraq's oil.

Good times are ahead :)

ya gotta laugh at the "idiota" of society.. sadly they ain't limited to the US tho :-)

Fill up your SUV and be grateful.. it won't last too long! :Graucho

Strategic military positioning...the USA is now in the midst of its potential enemies and can operate in a 360 degree radius. Has every thing to do with the war on "terrorism". Sends a loud and clear message...control your people...stop harboring/financing...teaching hatred of the West...or your countries will be dismantled. Has everthing to do with the war on "terrorism".

The US has handled its affairs well enough to become the richest most powerful country the world has ever known in just a little more than 200 years. How long have the countries of the rest of the world been around???

I apologize for the spelling errors I am trying to do multiple things at ounce.
Of course the United States is qualified to combat terrorism. Now your trying to say that the world super power is the least qualified for the job.
As far as former Iraq supporting terror, Saddam issued checks to the families of suicide bombers. The fucker had mass graves filled with the victims of terror.
I am sorry that so many people don't agree with US foreign policy. Prehaps if some of the countries knew how to do more then bitch and complain they could actually do something about it.
Rest assure you will be bitching a long time because this war is far from complete. And guess what nobody is going to do anything about it.

yea.. these demons are everywhere! That's why all other countries are at war as well...


I agree with the first bit... but that is fading .. pretty rapidly in relation to the time it took to achieve this "richness".
Other countries? Most have been "around" far longer - well before anyone ever heard of the US - hell, these are the countries where your ancestors were born. Ya may not know, but they have more experienced and less fickle (today it's Syria.. na.. I mean't Iran... shit na.. Iraq. Na, tis Tuesday so it's hate Saudi day) governments and will be around for a long while yet!

It wouldn't last long? That is suppose to be a joke right?:1orglaugh

Yes... and yes. Reasons being are not that there ain't enough bombs, but a total lack of any responsibility. This is proven by the track record already.

On the other hand, the US has done much good, but ya can't wipe your face on "averages" when you are talking about killing many thousands cos "shit happens".

Pathfinder, I wish you'd stay dead. You're as predictable as your denials.
Go on, call me Francis now, I know you're dying to :)

It is not dribble it is fact.

As to education...virtually every community of any size at all has a community college. All of the poor can get scholarships...State/Federal grants (grants do not have to be paid back) to attend these colleges. The grants by far exceed the expense of attending a semester...the kid can live at home if he chooses...and defray expense even further. There are Work Study Programs where you will be paid for up to 20 hours per week. It is not a hardship of any sort to attend a community college. At a community college you can complete the requirements for the first two years for a Bachelors degree. After completion of the community college one can attend a University and scholarships...grants...work study programs and student loans come into play. Virtually anyone can qualify for a student loan. Getting a college education in the USA only requires an average IQ and the will to attend.

As to health care...in the State of Califonia which is where I live...every person...unemployed or employed...with private insurance, or without private insurance, can qualify, based upon income, for a Medical Card and based upon income there may or may not be a Co-pay requirement. This Card will pay about 98% of any and all health care problems...including major surgery or lengthy stays in a hospital. In addition every County in the State of California has a designated County Hospital where the indiginent can receive free or near free care based upon income.

To the best of my knowledge every State in the Union has similar types of programs.

yea.. it must be a joke if ya say so! Wait and see! :Graucho
The "fun" ain't even began to happen...

You impotent son of a jackass...this is my last response to you.