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Jon 05-26-2003 01:47 PM

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Originally posted by yall
Isreal is the reason for every political argument in the universe. If there is life somewhere other than earth, and an uprising happened, I would blame Isreal.
Ahh, theres always one anti-semetic asshole on here. Did you know that the United States military uses Israeli intelligence for most of their special-op missions? Or how about that Israel turned it's shitty desert land into a fucking oasis? But hey, we are jews, so you have to blame us, why not blame the blacks for the civil war, the jews for world war two, or the canadians just for being canadian?

:ak47:

lovefucking 05-26-2003 01:50 PM

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Originally posted by directfiesta


How about giving us a list of the four that did not receive any money....

( seems to be the new thing: reverse culpability: not the the DA to prove the accused did the crime, but to the accused to prove he didn't do it...)

So, waiting for that list...

is every anti-america brainless like you?
he already said none, but anti-america says, yes, there are.
i am waiting for the list as well

mule 05-26-2003 01:53 PM

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Originally posted by NiteChatDotTV


Ahh, theres always one anti-semetic asshole on here. Did you know that the United States military uses Israeli intelligence for most of their special-op missions? Or how about that Israel turned it's shitty desert land into a fucking oasis? But hey, we are jews, so you have to blame us, why not blame the blacks for the civil war, the jews for world war two, or the canadians just for being canadian?

:ak47:

If you were a typical Jew, I'd blame the Jews for stupidity.
Thank god you aren't.

easyfun 05-26-2003 01:55 PM

Bush has got balls -
So has Tony Blair -
They believe in everybody being free to say and do as they wish.
If Iran is next, then this must happen sooner rather tha later.

But capitol and non capitol influence does piss off non Americans -
1) Israel's occupation of Palestine.
2) Why is Mugabee allowed to rule in a way Sadam could only dream of?
3) North Korea
4) Baseball
I will not list more - Most of you know many more instances - Clearly, none of the 4 examples I have given have a right to succeed - So hopefully the joint forces will quickly go to work on those soon

Trolleater 05-26-2003 01:56 PM

I don't wonder.

Ironhorse 05-26-2003 02:01 PM

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Originally posted by NiteChatDotTV


Ahh, theres always one anti-semetic asshole on here. Did you know that the United States military uses Israeli intelligence for most of their special-op missions? Or how about that Israel turned it's shitty desert land into a fucking oasis? But hey, we are jews, so you have to blame us, why not blame the blacks for the civil war, the jews for world war two, or the canadians just for being canadian?

:ak47:

He said he would blame Israel not all Jews. Blaming all jews for the action of an Israeli GOVERNMENT would be somewhat like blaming all germans for Hitler's actions don't you think?

Also the West Bank was always a nice patch of grass, why do you think they've been fighting for it for so long?

directfiesta 05-26-2003 02:05 PM

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Originally posted by lovefucking


is every anti-america brainless like you?
he already said none, but anti-america says, yes, there are.
i am waiting for the list as well

None is not a list ...
And obviously you cannot comprehend the reverse psychology here ...

The one used against Iraq and to an extent the UN : THEY have to prove that they DO NOT have WMD....

I have 3 sites to update. All models had more brains than you, ....

Mike AI 05-26-2003 02:13 PM

DirectFiesta, see now you are understanding things...

HAHA Seriously though, the US is far from perfect... our history is as stained as many other nations, however, there is no doubt we have done much more good then bad for the world.

You can choose to be ignorant, stick your head in the sand, but it won't change reality...

Being in Canada you directly benefit by being the neighbor of the lone superpower... You're welcome.

How do you like the dollar falling??

xroach 05-26-2003 02:55 PM

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Originally posted by Serge_Oprano


...and this si why I love GFY...

http://cotac.com/GFY.gif


that is fucking beautiful

jas1552 05-26-2003 03:00 PM

What freedoms has the Patriot Act taken away from you? Please give me example of how the Patriot Act has negatively affected your lives.

How could anyone who claims to love freedom so much be against destabilizing dictatorships? Or is it just your freedom you love and fuck everybody else?

nap 05-26-2003 03:14 PM

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Originally posted by theking


The point about 9/11 is not where individual hijackers come from. The point of 9/11 is...attacks on the continental USA will not be tolerated...and the terrorists are from Muslim countries.

There were multiple reasons for the invasion of Iraq and one of those reasons was to send a message to the Muslim countries...get your act together or face the consequences. The USA will dismantle every Muslim country, one by one, if they are perceived to be hostile towards the USA...including Saudi Arabia.


so what happens when an asian decides to blow up a part of the usa? will we go after all asian countries too, or will we just have "diplomatic talks" with the country where he/she is from?

Ironhorse 05-26-2003 03:21 PM

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Originally posted by nap



so what happens when an asian decides to blow up a part of the usa? will we go after all asian countries too, or will we just have "diplomatic talks" with the country where he/she is from?

Does World War 2 ring a bell? Korea? Vietnam? You didn't watch those movies did you?

directfiesta 05-26-2003 03:59 PM

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Originally posted by Mike AI
Seriously though, the US is far from perfect... our history is as stained as many other nations, however, there is no doubt we have done much more good then bad for the world.
Nobody's country is perfect, and yes the US has done a lot of good in this world. What is sad is that it is now changing, maybe because there is no more other super-power to keep the balance ( read USSR...)


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Originally posted by Mike AI
How do you like the dollar falling??
Honestly, it stinks. Am adding Euro to my sites....

Lastly, we still like you guys a lot....

directfiesta 05-26-2003 04:04 PM

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Originally posted by jas1552

How could anyone who claims to love freedom so much be against destabilizing dictatorships? Or is it just your freedom you love and fuck everybody else?

Iran is not ran by a dictator ... In fact, they kicked out one " the Shah" that was installed by the US-Brits . The Ayatollah Kohmeiny was welcomed by the Iranians ( sure it is sick to our eyes, but it is their business) .

Sure, they have a very differenty way of living, but that doesn't justify your narrow perspective. Some countries lapidate women because they have an affair! It's awfull, but are you going to invade them too...

I understand that Bush doesn't want to take care of domestic issues, because he knows he will loose that war, so he goes into " foreign" policy and threatens most countries, ennemies and allies alike .

Welcome to Texas

Indy the real one 05-26-2003 04:09 PM

Just a question :
The reason Dabyou attacked Irak was
1- weapon of mass destruction
2- links with al qaida

Did anyone have news of these weapons nor the arrest of Al Qaida members since the end of the war in Irak...???

Damned did dabyou and foxnews lie ?
I cannot believe it....:2 cents:

Mike AI 05-26-2003 04:27 PM

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maybe because there is no more other super-power to keep the balance ( read USSR...)

directFiesta you and Gorby must be the only 2 people who miss the USSR, and the "balance of power"... Well Castro and a few other dictators who relied upon the USSR for support probably misses the USSR as well...


A bi-polar system is inherently MORE stable then a multi-polar system ( what we had before WWI)...

But a single polar system has a history of working pretty well... and so far, its doing pretty good for the US....

We love our Northern Neighbors as well... we have to get our cheesy entertainers from somewhere! :Graucho :Graucho

Ironhorse 05-26-2003 04:44 PM

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Sure, they have a very differenty way of living, but that doesn't justify your narrow perspective. Some countries lapidate women because they have an affair! It's awfull, but are you going to invade them too...
Lapidate - had to do a google search to find out what that meant, first I thought: "Hmm.. they shave the woman's beaver for having an affair? Hell I'd invade that any day =)" - of course it means to be stoned to death, that's sad. Some things, of course do merit intervention, military or otherwise, although I'm not sure that Iran intervention is justified.

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But a single polar system has a history of working pretty well... and so far, its doing pretty good for the US....
Mike Ai the reason people are nervous about this, read that quote again. It sounds an aweful lot like dictatorship or monarchy no?

theking 05-26-2003 04:48 PM

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Originally posted by directfiesta


How about giving us a list of the four that did not receive any money....

( seems to be the new thing: reverse culpability: not the the DA to prove the accused did the crime, but to the accused to prove he didn't do it...)

So, waiting for that list...

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Originally posted by Charly

Wrong, if you stopped supporting Israel it would change, in time. But then you have to think what your politicians will do without the money they get from Israels backers.
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Charly made a statement of fact...so I assume that he has researched the matter. His implication is that our Politicians would suffer great loss of campaign funding if it were not for the backers of Israel. Going under the assumtion that he researched this mattter (and did not pull it out of his ass) I would assume that he can list the names of at least some politicians that received donations from the backers of Israel...the amount received and the name of the donor.

I on the other hand have not researched who or who has not recieved donations from the backers of Israel and do not intend to research the matter. The last polls that I saw...the majority of Americans support the right of Israel to exist and Israel is just as important to Christians as it is to Jews.

FYI I am satisfied that the backers of Israel are not the driving force behind campaign funding for any politician.

Another implication of his statement is that if the government of the USA and the citizens of the USA ceased to support Israel then we may not be under attack by Muslim terrorists.

The USA is not going to allow anyone to dictate foreign policy (let alone a group of rag tag terrorists) and I personally do not believe the cessation of support to Israel would prevent attacks upon the USA.

theking 05-26-2003 04:56 PM

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Originally posted by nap



so what happens when an asian decides to blow up a part of the usa? will we go after all asian countries too, or will we just have "diplomatic talks" with the country where he/she is from?

If you would have paid attention to my previous posts you would have learned that I am speaking about those Muslim countries or any other country that is overtly hostile to the USA and/or provides safe harbor/financial aid to those that are.

theking 05-26-2003 05:04 PM

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Originally posted by Indy the real one
Just a question :
The reason Dabyou attacked Irak was
1- weapon of mass destruction
2- links with al qaida

Did anyone have news of these weapons nor the arrest of Al Qaida members since the end of the war in Irak...???

Damned did dabyou and foxnews lie ?
I cannot believe it....:2 cents:

No President Bush did not lie...as those were stated reasons and were a part of a mulitude of reasons. It is ridiculous for anyone to keep repeating...the President said this and the President said that.

Did the President state the truth...the whole truth...and nothing but the truth about the multitude of reasons for invading Iraq...NO. There has not been a President, in my life time, that has told the truth...the whole truth and nothing but the truth and I personally assume that this applies to every leader of every country.

Anyone with an average IQ...that pays attention to world affairs...can read between the lines of most events of import and be at least partially right.

dav555add 05-26-2003 05:08 PM

100

12clicks 05-26-2003 05:12 PM

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Originally posted by Backov


What this president is doing to the Muslim world is just going to ensure that the US gets more and more suicide bombers.

Unless you want to just kill all muslims? That might work, until you run out of obvious muslims and it's just the ones that can "pass" that are left doing the suicide bombings.

"Whatever it takes" is not something that should be in the American vocabulary. Your grandfathers fought and died in WW2 to protect the freedoms that Bush and company legislate away every year in the name of "security"

Bush isn't Hitler. Yet. Some more blind "patriotism" and Nationalism (just like pre-WW2 Germany, strangely enough) - and he just might get the chance. Safe bet: Get the fucking moron out of office now.

Labret is absolutely right: Current Administation - Xian Taliban. They just don't have the power they'd like to have yet, so no one is getting stoned, just arrested.

Wow, not too bright about world affairs are we Backov?
""What this president is doing to the Muslim world"' is holding them accountable for terrorism and murder.
They offered to overpay turkey for their insignificant help in its war with iraq (turkey, just one more muslim country that couldn't be counted on to fight terrorism) We're sending millions of dollars in pakhastan to hunt down terrorists (what type of country doesn't hunt down its own terrorists? oh, yeah, muslim countries)
We're investing billions of dollars in Qatar (a muslim country who's trying to go democratic)
We're spending billions in iraq to free muslims from sadaam. (please trot out your argument that we weren't there to free muslims but were there to help GW's friends. I love that moronic line of thought best)
We're making Israel make peace with palestininan murderers who should be shot on site, not given peace (oh, yeah, they are muslims too)

so please, explain to us ""What this president is doing to the Muslim world"' that you find so offensive.
otherwise, shut the fuck up. :thumbsup

slavdogg 05-26-2003 05:17 PM

we have planty of unsettle scores with Iran
- Cobal towers in Saudi Arabia, bombed by Iranians
- in 83 Iranian backed Hesbulla in Lebanon killed 100s of our Marines

plus Israeli Embassy bombings in Argentian in mid 90s

Nasty D 05-26-2003 05:17 PM

Has the US found any weapons of mass destruction yet since taking over Iraq?.....just checking, haven't really paid much attention lately!

12clicks 05-26-2003 05:22 PM

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Originally posted by Nasty D
Has the US found any weapons of mass destruction yet since taking over Iraq?.....just checking, haven't really paid much attention lately!
nope. but for the intelligent amoung us, it was never a requirement.
The UN gave them 10 years to hide them. Syria, Iran, a hole in the ground? it doesn't matter. That's what the rest of the terrorist countries will soon learn. If you have the intent to kill innocent people of the US, you'll get your wish to see heaven

directfiesta 05-26-2003 05:28 PM

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Originally posted by 12clicks


nope. but for the intelligent amoung us, it was never a requirement.

I presume there is no point in posting the Colin Powell presentation to the UN and the "address to the Nation" speach by GW....

I love it how you can just change an already " consumed" agenda...

Maybe tomorrow we will find out that Sadaam was a philanthropist ( lol ) and then you will say that the " requirement" was never to overturn the dictator ... ( new reasons: give to the shiites freedom of expression .... )

BTW, what was the requirement for the " intelligent" among you ???

tempra 05-26-2003 05:32 PM

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Originally posted by theking


The point about 9/11 is not where individual hijackers come from. The point of 9/11 is...attacks on the continental USA will not be tolerated...and the terrorists are from Muslim countries.

There were multiple reasons for the invasion of Iraq and one of those reasons was to send a message to the Muslim countries...get your act together or face the consequences. The USA will dismantle every Muslim country, one by one, if they are perceived to be hostile towards the USA...including Saudi Arabia.

Bullshit, Is U.S enough brave to attack Turkey? Look we are different than any other Muslim and Arab countries so before talking about something consider what you are talking about or learn a bit

12clicks 05-26-2003 05:34 PM

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Originally posted by directfiesta



BTW, what was the requirement for the " intelligent" among you ???

Be rid of a dictator who harbors terrorists. Stop spending millions patrolling a no fly zone in perpetuity, stop coddling a defeated enemy who attacked an ally and has no intention of abiding by the articles of surrender they signed because the UN has the back bone of a "direct fiesta"
Everything else is a side benefit to the muslim world but they, like you, aren't bright enough to understand it. :thumbsup

12clicks 05-26-2003 05:37 PM

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Originally posted by tempra


Bullshit, Is U.S enough brave to attack Turkey? Look we are different than any other Muslim and Arab countries so before talking about something consider what you are talking about or learn a bit

You're no different assclown. Oh, and attack turkey? by lunch time tough guy.:1orglaugh

Ironhorse 05-26-2003 05:39 PM

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No President Bush did not lie...as those were stated reasons and were a part of a mulitude of reasons. It is ridiculous for anyone to keep repeating...the President said this and the President said that.
Although it was a bit amuzing when the Russian foreign minister initially said UN cannot lift sanctions in Iraq until it was clear that there were no WMDs, attempting to embarass the White House to essentially come out saying there are no WMDs. No such statement came from Washington. I wonder how much this privileged silence cost the American taxpayer (not to mention Czechen separatist rebels) in contracts awarded, $$$, etc. for the russians to stop bitching when the french were already kissing Bush's ass. Classic Catch 22

theking 05-26-2003 05:50 PM

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Originally posted by tempra


Bullshit, Is U.S enough brave to attack Turkey? Look we are different than any other Muslim and Arab countries so before talking about something consider what you are talking about or learn a bit

Question...is Turkey overtly hostile to the USA? Question is Turkey harboring/financing terrorists to atttack the USA?

"The USA will dismantle every Muslim country, one by one, if they are perceived to be hostile towards the USA...including Saudi Arabia."

Read and comprehend before you post.

directfiesta 05-26-2003 06:02 PM

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Originally posted by theking

perceived

I suppose the "New Century" gang are the one to measure that " perception"....

The USA have changed from a peacefull respecting nation to a militarian invading country ( and not only with arms and troops ... )...

So sad ....

http://www.newamericancentury.org/index.html

Not to mention racist when you identify a whole religion as an " ennemy"..

A bit like saying all jews are occupiers.... maybe they are!

theking 05-26-2003 06:11 PM

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Originally posted by directfiesta


I suppose the "New Century" gang are the one to measure that " perception"....

The USA have changed from a peacefull respecting nation to a militarian invading country ( and not only with arms and troops ... )...

So sad ....

http://www.newamericancentury.org/index.html

Not to mention racist when you identify a whole religion as an " ennemy"..

A bit like saying all jews are occupiers.... maybe they are!

If you are suggesting that I have identified a whole religion as an enemy...please quote where I said that. It is countries that are overtly hostile to the USA and/or harboring/financing those that are.

Please identify the year the USA "changed from a peacefull respecting nation to a militarian invading country" As I recall the USA has always delt with percieved enemies by engaging its military when it is deemed to be necessary.

There is nothing new about the President...the Congress and the American people deciding who, or who does not, represent a threat to the USA...its assests...or its interests.

directfiesta 05-26-2003 06:17 PM

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Originally posted by theking


If you are suggesting that I have identified a whole religion as an enemy...please quote where I said that. It is countries that are overtly hostile to the USA and/or harboring/financing those that are.


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Originally posted by theking
"The USA will dismantle every Muslim country, one by one,

I " perceive" that phrase to be the one.

By the way, there is no such thing as a " muslim" country, neither a "christian" country or even a "mormon" country.
FYI, countries are made of different people, with different religion.
Iraq is quite a nice example ...

So yes, youre comment is racist, but not surprising.

theking 05-26-2003 06:25 PM

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Originally posted by directfiesta


I " perceive" that phrase to be the one.

By the way, there is no such thing as a " muslim" country, neither a "christian" country or even a "mormon" country.
FYI, countries are made of different people, with different religion.
Iraq is quite a nice example ...

So yes, youre comment is racist, but not surprising.

I percieve that you did not quote the whole statement.

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The USA will dismantle every Muslim country, one by one, if they are perceived to be hostile towards the USA...including Saudi Arabia.
There are countries that are "predominately" Muslim...Christian etc. But then again you know that...your arguements are getting weak...but that is not surprising.

As for the "racist" remark...opinions are like....

Webby 05-26-2003 06:26 PM

I amazes me the utter tripe that people have in "opinions" - we all got one, but some ya just gotta just ignore.

My "opinion" for what tis worth - and it don't matter one fuck either ways - is that the US is totally buggered if it continues along the lines of the "Bush doctrine" - in fact I feel sorry for the people in the US who played no part in this and will end up paying the price.

On the other side, there is a deviant group, relatively small at this stage, who wanna "take revenge" on the Western world (and their own countries for cooperating with the Western world) for some of the great things the civilized West "helped" them with over some decades, - "help" they sure did not need.

Never get the idea there is any "winner" in this, - it does not matter a toss how many bombers there are, - you can't beat a group of "like minded" people who can strike anywhere and cause havoc for less than $50K. Spending billions to protect against this is pointless.

Until some on both sides of the fence get into the real world and have an inkling of a clue as to what it is about, there is little hope.

US now openly saying it wishes to "destablize Iran"? Gimme a break and send Bush, Cheney and Wolfowitz to Huntsville for an injection and start electing some proper President, - not some ignorant candy store cowboy trash that was appointed by a court and who has done more than any terrorist organization to cause vast damage to the US.

theking 05-26-2003 06:32 PM

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Originally posted by Webby
I amazes me the utter tripe that people have in "opinions" - we all got one, but some ya just gotta just ignore.

My "opinion" for what tis worth - and it don't matter one fuck either ways - is that the US is totally buggered if it continues along the lines of the "Bush doctrine" - in fact I feel sorry for the people in the US who played no part in this and will end up paying the price.

On the other side, there is a deviant group, relatively small at this stage, who wanna "take revenge" on the Western world (and their own countries for cooperating with the Western world) for some of the great things the civilized West "helped" them with over some decades, - "help" they sure did not need.

Never get the idea there is any "winner" in this, - it does not matter a toss how many bombers there are, - you can't beat a group of "like minded" people who can strike anywhere and cause havoc for less than $50K. Spending billions to protect against this is pointless.

Until some on both sides of the fence get into the real world and have an inkling of a clue as to what it is about, there is little hope.

US now openly saying it wishes to "destablize Iran"? Gimme a break and send Bush, Cheney and Wolfowitz to Huntsville for an injection and start electing some proper President, - not some ignorant candy store cowboy trash that was appointed by a court and who has done more than any terrorist organization to cause vast damage to the US.

President Bush may only be in office for another year and a half or five and a half years more. Can I safely assume that you will not say the same of our next President? I have a very strong feeling that this is not a safe assumption.

FYI the President won the electoral vote and was not appointed by any court. Every recount that has been done in Florida by several private organizations show that Bush won the vote in Florida.

Webby 05-26-2003 06:45 PM

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President Bush may only be in office for another year and a half or five and a half years more. Can I safely assume that you will not say the same of our next President? I have a very strong feeling that this is not a safe assumption.
We gotta listen to his lying rhetoric for another 18 months? Shit!
If that next President is Bush, I have little doubt I won't be the only one "saying things" about him. On the other hand, irrespective of any political leanings, if an actual qualified individual is elected this time to replace the asshole and he has more than a grain of sand in his brain, I'll be one of many VERY happy people. That current "thing" is a disgrace to the planet, not just to the US.

Until now, I have never had any problem with any President of the US, despite there can be "contentious issues". Anyone in that position needs support and leeway to "do their best". I am only sorry the US is loaded with this current idiot - he sure does no credit the the country - or anyplace else.

theking 05-26-2003 06:49 PM

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Originally posted by Webby


We gotta listen to his lying rhetoric for another 18 months? Shit!
If that next President is Bush, I have little doubt I won't be the only one "saying things" about him. On the other hand, irrespective of any political leanings, if an actual qualified individual is elected this time to replace the asshole and he has more than a grain of sand in his brain, I'll be one of many VERY happy people. That current "thing" is a disgrace to the planet, not just to the US.

Until now, I have never had any problem with any President of the US, despite there can be "contentious issues". Anyone in that position needs support and leeway to "do their best". I am only sorry the US is loaded with this current idiot - he sure does no credit the the country - or anyplace else.

I assume that you know the contenders that have thrown their hat in the ring for the Presidency. Which is your choice?

There are nine Democrats and I am not aware of any Republicans that are going to challenge Bush.

kenny 05-26-2003 06:55 PM

Who are people going to blame after Bush is out of office and the war on terroism continues?


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