How long and how do you make minimum wage in adult today?

[Paul Markham]

These are some of the minimum wages set in the US and EU. Texas $290, New York State $444, Florida $338, California $480, Germany $1744, UK $1628.

So how long and how would one make the minimum wage in Adult today. Starting at nothing but the skills it took in 2000 to 2009 to make a living and with zero resources but you can invest minimum wage a month.

Blogging, Tubes, Social Media, SEO, etc. Only porn so don't include mainstream dating. That leaves you with porn videos, images, blogs, webcams both appearing and/or promoting.

Deduct all the costs before taking minimum wage and include the time it takes per week.

[Nicky]

Isn't the US min wage $7.25/h? Or did you write weekly pay on the US states and monthly on EU?

[Mickey_]

Your minimum wage figures are off, but to answer: Many affiliates promoting interactive services through their free sites that have added value to their visitors do quite well. You have to be willing to invest time and energy into building up these free sites, however.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Nicky

Isn't the US min wage $7.25/h? Or did you write weekly pay on the US states and monthly on EU?

Yes you're right, the figures I posted were weekly in America and monthly in UK and Germany.

These are some of the minimum wages set in the US and EU. Texas $1160, New York State $1,776‬, Florida $1,352, California $1,920, Germany $1744, UK $1628.

So lets say around $1,500 in the US round the figures off.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Mickey_

Your minimum wage figures are off, but to answer: Many affiliates promoting interactive services through their free sites that have added value to their visitors do quite well. You have to be willing to invest time and energy into building up these free sites, however.

Free sites like what and how many hours a week?

[Nicky]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Free sites like what and how many hours a week?

You gave the examples yourself ;) "blogs, tubes, social media"

[emmasexytime]

we do it easily with nichepornsites.com

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Nicky

You gave the examples yourself ;) "blogs, tubes, social media"

Free hosted blogs that allow adult, what do you submit to Tubes that the site hasn't done before you?

Social media is a good one and I know from experience pretending to be a girl and telling them you work on such and such a website, cam site, escorts list is a way of making money. You need to buy picture content to back it up. I do know that girls can sell themselves via this method and make a lot of money.

[Nicky]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Free hosted blogs that allow adult, what do you submit to Tubes that the site hasn't done before you?

Social media is a good one and I know from experience pretending to be a girl and telling them you work on such and such a website, cam site, escorts list is a way of making money. You need to buy picture content to back it up. I do know that girls can sell themselves via this method and make a lot of money.

Hmm no I meant actually running your own tubes and blogs. Domains are cheap.

[The Porn Nerd]

Why do you want to know Paul?
Thinking of getting back into Adult since the retirement benefits aren't covering the med bills anymore?

Sounds like you want a step-by-step manual on what to do in Adult in 2019. Pay me as a consultant and I will go over it with you.

The info is out there it just takes a clever and DEDICATED individual to make it happen. There are about a dozen different ways to make money in Adult in 2019 but ALL of them require hard and sustained work. Depending on your skill level, age and motivation it could be a 7 days-a-week, 16 hours-a-day deal for the first year or two while you learn, fail, experiment, try again and never give up until you hit the numbers you need. That's what I did but it took me closer to four years (back in the day, '06-'09) to get a foundation of success I could build and rely on. But I knew jack shit back then and was already old(er) for such an endeavor. Today? A young buck with skill, drive and time could make it happen in about 1.5-3 years I think.

But then again, MY numbers (living in Manhattan, New York City) were/are about 5x higher than most cities/countries so factor that in as well.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Why do you want to know Paul?
Thinking of getting back into Adult since the retirement benefits aren't covering the med bills anymore?

Sounds like you want a step-by-step manual on what to do in Adult in 2019. Pay me as a consultant and I will go over it with you.

The info is out there it just takes a clever and DEDICATED individual to make it happen. There are about a dozen different ways to make money in Adult in 2019 but ALL of them require hard and sustained work. Depending on your skill level, age and motivation it could be a 7 days-a-week, 16 hours-a-day deal for the first year or two while you learn, fail, experiment, try again and never give up until you hit the numbers you need. That's what I did but it took me closer to four years (back in the day, '06-'09) to get a foundation of success I could build and rely on. But I knew jack shit back then and was already old(er) for such an endeavor. Today? A young buck with skill, drive and time could make it happen in about 1.5-3 years I think.

But then again, MY numbers (living in Manhattan, New York City) were/are about 5x higher than most cities/countries so factor that in as well.

You put me off with "ALL of them require hard and sustained work. Depending on your skill level, age and motivation it could be a 7 days-a-week, 16 hours-a-day deal for the first year or two while you learn, fail, experiment, try again and never give up until you hit the numbers you need"

Back in '06-'09 it was easier than it is today.

Do you have any clue how to start up now and make minimum wage per hour, with the same skills set you had back in '06-'09?

I'll take that as a no.

My healthcare bills and meds are free now, I've paid for them for years in my State health insurance.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Nicky

Hmm no I meant actually running your own tubes and blogs. Domains are cheap.

Free hosting, free Tube templates, free videos, etc???

The reason for my thread was the two people trying to make money in adult. One is from the past and the other has a list of 9,000 girls and trying to sell the list to make money. So I was wondering what it took to make money in a small way these days in Adult only.

I know how to make money in mainstream, YT videos that are fun or controversial and gain a good audience. Back them up with a site that carries all the content, Instagram, FB, Tumblr, social media sites, etc.

[Mickey_]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

You put me off with "ALL of them require hard and sustained work. Depending on your skill level, age and motivation it could be a 7 days-a-week, 16 hours-a-day deal for the first year or two while you learn, fail, experiment, try again and never give up until you hit the numbers you need"

Back in '06-'09 it was easier than it is today.

Do you have any clue how to start up now and make minimum wage per hour, with the same skills set you had back in '06-'09?

I'll take that as a no.

My healthcare bills and meds are free now, I've paid for them for years in my State health insurance.

While this may seem harsh, don't take it personal: Nobody cares. It isn't '06-'09 anymore. The utopian business environment you desire has to be earned and created as opposed to falling in your lap like it did in the 90's.

And to answer your earlier question (what kind of free sites), I can't tell you details for obvious reasons, but sites that present added value to the user do well. Unique content, a quality user experience and curation are still sought after and appreciated.

[PR_Glen]

Why limit yourself to what you learned back in 2000-2009? I am constantly learning new things in marketing just about every day. Why not use that?

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Back in '06-'09 it was easier than it is today.

one of my big publishers worked with me already in 2005 and made good money with mainly mobile til 2009.

then all his sites fucked up and 2012 he wanted to sell me his network for 10.000 euro.

I told him to keep it and change the strategy and he followed it step by step.
In 2013 he worked like 12 hours per day 7 days a week and made 25.000 over the whole year.

in 2018 (with meanwhile one fulltime programmer employed) he worked in average 5 hours per day 5 days per week and got only from me a payout from around 1,3 million euro (looks like 2019 will be a bit more)

and no - he is not the biggest guy in the european adult industry - there are bigger ones.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Mickey_

While this may seem harsh, don't take it personal: Nobody cares. It isn't '06-'09 anymore. The utopian business environment you desire has to be earned and created as opposed to falling in your lap like it did in the 90's.

That's my point, the adult market is difficult today and nothing falls into anyone's lap like it did in the early 2000s.

And to answer your earlier question (what kind of free sites), I can't tell you details for obvious reasons, but sites that present added value to the user do well. Unique content, a quality user experience and curation are still sought after and appreciated.

Free sites that allow adult themed blogs will be saturated with posts, still room for a talented person but not much.

Unique content, you have to be able to write a blog people want to read and not rely on solely SE traffic. That offers something people will return to and curation are sought after but rarely available.

Unique content!!!!!

Do you have the skill, budget, models to create anything that's unique? Not the type of content that's been done before.

[Rochard]

Paul is just.... Whatever.

First, minimum wage is caculated per hour, and is not in the hundreds of dollars.

Second, we have a recurring billing model in the porn industry so it would be difficult to caculate how much money one would make "per hour". For example, I could do one hour's worth of work and make a free hosted blog and it can make $15 a day every day without ever having do any work at all, and the following month recurring billing kicks in.

Paul, I am not sure what you are reading on the Internet but you need to stop. It seems to me you reading heavily biased websites. You don't even seem to understand you are doing this and you are only seeing one side of the story.

[Rochard]

Also.... This morning on my news feed I came across an interesting article about the minimum wage for NYC resturant workers.

It seems they raised the minimum wage for resturant workers to $15/hour and people thought the entire restaurant industry would collapse in NYC. Instead, they are doing great and the employees are making a decent wage.

https://www.businessinsider.com/nyc-...um-wage-2019-8

I remember one of my daughter's friends got her first job while in high school working as a hostess in a restaurant in a retirement community. Her first job - an entry level job - paid $15/hour.

[crockett]

Probably make faster money on YouTube than adult these days..

[TheSquealer]

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

You put me off with "ALL of them require hard and sustained work. Depending on your skill level, age and motivation it could be a 7 days-a-week, 16 hours-a-day deal for the first year or two while you learn, fail, experiment, try again and never give up until you hit the numbers you need"

Back in '06-'09 it was easier than it is today.

Do you have any clue how to start up now and make minimum wage per hour, with the same skills set you had back in '06-'09?

I'll take that as a no.

My healthcare bills and meds are free now, I've paid for them for years in my State health insurance.

I used myself as an example but I also said depending on your age and skill level (tho motivation is more important than the other two). Skill set isn't the issue, they are the same as 10 years+ ago. It's really about effort and determination.

Could I do it today? HELL YES!! It would be easier today than before in some ways (updated technology for example) while being more difficult in other ways (more competition, major player consolidation). But if I was as hungry/desperate as I was back then? FUCK YES!!

You're secretly wondering how to make some extra money in Adult while putting minimal effort in? I'll take that as a yes.

(Bollocks to the 'asking for others' bullshit.)

[AdultKing]

Has Paul lost his pension? Looking to earn some extra cash?

[thommy]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

Has Paul lost his pension? Looking to earn some extra cash?

paul does it vice versa from normal people - he fist makes the biz and after he left it he starts to learn it.

[King Mark]

I ain't getting into specifics, but when I first started in adult i was living in nyc where you cant survive on minimum wage.

Within a year I was able to move to a big house in the burbs while keeping my NYC apartment and have all the luxuries I wanted. I never reached millionaire status, but was nowhere near needing to ask about a minimum wage lol.

So, my advice, if you cant make at least minimum wage within a year just give it up and apply at mcdonalds... or at least save up enough to pay somebody to fix your join links.

[Tasty1]

Move to cheap countries and live there. In many countries the minimum wage is 200 - 300 USD. So you could live 'comfortly' with 500 USD. That is what a lot pensioners from the UK doing in Thailand also. But they are kicked out recently cause they don't have enough money with the weakening pound. So they move to Cambodia or Philippines. So if your pension doesn't make it where you are now, move to the Philippines

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by crockett

Probably make faster money on YouTube than adult these days..

You're dead right.

I did this to illustrate the state of porn today. 10 or 15 years ago sponsors would be falling over themselves to post all the info in the hope of getting someone to send more traffic. Be it hosted tube clips and hosted TGPs. The tools given to affiliates were endless, free everything.

Today no one has listed anything because no one is looking for new affiliates. All the decent sites are submitting themselves to the top Tubes, doing their own social media, blogs etc. Because it's cheaper, more productive, less hassle and more controllable.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

I used myself as an example but I also said depending on your age and skill level (tho motivation is more important than the other two). Skill set isn't the issue, they are the same as 10 years+ ago. It's really about effort and determination.

Could I do it today? HELL YES!! It would be easier today than before in some ways (updated technology for example) while being more difficult in other ways (more competition, major player consolidation). But if I was as hungry/desperate as I was back then? FUCK YES!!

You're secretly wondering how to make some extra money in Adult while putting minimal effort in? I'll take that as a yes.

(Bollocks to the 'asking for others' bullshit.)

How would you amass the amount of content you have today?

And if you think it's easier today to make money than it was 10 or 15 years ago, what are you smoking?

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Tasty1

Move to cheap countries and live there. In many countries the minimum wage is 200 - 300 USD. So you could live 'comfortly' with 500 USD. That is what a lot pensioners from the UK doing in Thailand also. But they are kicked out recently cause they don't have enough money with the weakening pound. So they move to Cambodia or Philippines. So if your pension doesn't make it where you are now, move to the Philippines

Minimum UK wage spends nicely in many countries. Not just the Far East.

My private pensions spend nicely thank you so no need to move.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by AdultKing

Has Paul lost his pension? Looking to earn some extra cash?

No I started this thread to illustrate to the endless procession of newbs it's better to get into mainstream than porn. If they want to make a living.

[pimpmaster9000]

I am a studio boss I am very good at recruiting women to flash their pussy and give me 30% for nothing...an initial investment of say 2500$ to start 5 models would give me 500-1000$/week and I could start a new model every week...my "work" would be in the 30min/day range...more on saturdays when I have to meet with models and pay them out...this is really a bitch because they are always late and my saturday is basically half ruined because of late models...like today...

so basically with a 2500$ investment I would be making more than min wage on the first pay out...

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

How would you amass the amount of content you have today?

And if you think it's easier today to make money than it was 10 or 15 years ago, what are you smoking?

nobody ever said it is easier !

but what you don´t seem to understand is the fact that the 20.000 webmasters from 15 years ago did not even do a fraction of the revenue that is done today from much less webmasters.

some of this 20.000 one-man-shows from than are today huge companies with a few 100 employees.

100 years ago a chicken farmer with 20 chicken could make a life - but can he today ?
but today 100 times more eggs are produced and sold and the total revenue with eggs is possibly about 10.000 times higher than it was 100 years ago.

you should stop to live in yesterday and talk like one of this fools who thought that a easy way to make money will not bring the high-skilled business people and professionals in a market where you can eat your competitor for breakfast.

if you describe yourself as one of this old school guys who were to beat it is already a prove of how easy it was to beat you and the other unprofessional out.
the market was not killed from anybody - just accept that you and the other dreamers were just eaten for breakfast.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Tasty1

So you could live 'comfortly' with 500 USD

this is more or less my daily budget in thailand - and my party times are over since many years.

[Tasty1]

Originally Posted by thommy

this is more or less my daily budget in thailand - and my party times are over since many years.

Yes, that is why i quoted it. You must be willing to hang-out than with other UK oldies with beer bellies at some place where it is happy hour and stay in Jomtien in a 200 usd room. You have an 'entourage' to take care of

But realy a lot of UK pensioners in problems in Thailand cause they can't show they have about 23.000 euro on the bank. And if you can't, you aren't welcome anymore.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Tasty1

Yes, that is why i quoted it. You must be willing to hang-out than with other UK oldies with beer bellies at some place where it is happy hour and stay in Jomtien in a 200 usd room. You have an 'entourage' to take care of

but be honest - what kind of life is that?
sure you COULD live from 500 dollars a few years ago when you still got 18.000 baht for it and everything was much cheaper.

now 500 US are not even 16.000 anymore and life is much more expensive.

but even before it was not that you can live for 500 US the same life as you life elsewhere in the 1st world. it just means that you can buy stuff cheap that is forbidden to sell in a civilized country.

example: a cheap bottle with 5 liters of "natural drinking water" cost here in the supermarket between 0,80 - 1,00 US.
I brought it to the laboratory to test and I can tell you that the water in my swimming pool is MUCH cleaner.

if I want to buy a dutch cheese here - I have to pay for a medium quality like 10 dollars for 100 gramm. in europe i pay 1,99 for the same.

my cigarillos that I can buy in spain in the tabacco shop for 20 euro for 100 cost here 90 euro and a bottle of wine that i can get in spain for 2,95 is here around 40 euro.

but yes - there is kind of a thai wine what is around 5-6 euro but if i let you taste it you will think it is a mix of donkey piss and gasoline.

But realy a lot of UK pensioners in problems in Thailand cause they can't show they have about 23.000 euro on the bank. And if you can't, you aren't welcome anymore.

it was always hard to get a long-term visa in thailand without money.
times when you can give someone a few thousand under the table are not past but now you have to pay under 3 tables instead of 1 as the immigration, the police and the military hold up their hands.

actually it is not different as in every other country - if you have money you can live a good life - if not you life like the digs on the street. the only difference is that nobody blames you if you live like a dog on the street.

[lovebitch]

I make $50+ a day from all adult sites. Mainstream is a different thing.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

No I started this thread to illustrate to the endless procession of newbs it's better to get into mainstream than porn. If they want to make a living.

i found a nice website for you

that approves that there are still people like you alive

so don´t worry too much - you are not alone.

[Tasty1]

Originally Posted by thommy

but be honest - what kind of life is that?
sure you COULD live from 500 dollars a few years ago when you still got 18.000 baht for it and everything was much cheaper.

now 500 US are not even 16.000 anymore and life is much more expensive.

but even before it was not that you can live for 500 US the same life as you life elsewhere in the 1st world. it just means that you can buy stuff cheap that is forbidden to sell in a civilized country.

example: a cheap bottle with 5 liters of "natural drinking water" cost here in the supermarket between 0,80 - 1,00 US.
I brought it to the laboratory to test and I can tell you that the water in my swimming pool is MUCH cleaner.

if I want to buy a dutch cheese here - I have to pay for a medium quality like 10 dollars for 100 gramm. in europe i pay 1,99 for the same.

my cigarillos that I can buy in spain in the tabacco shop for 20 euro for 100 cost here 90 euro and a bottle of wine that i can get in spain for 2,95 is here around 40 euro.

but yes - there is kind of a thai wine what is around 5-6 euro but if i let you taste it you will think it is a mix of donkey piss and gasoline.



it was always hard to get a long-term visa in thailand without money.
times when you can give someone a few thousand under the table are not past but now you have to pay under 3 tables instead of 1 as the immigration, the police and the military hold up their hands.

actually it is not different as in every other country - if you have money you can live a good life - if not you life like the digs on the street. the only difference is that nobody blames you if you live like a dog on the street.

I wouldn't live in Thailand either for 500 USD. It would be my worst night-mare, sitting with the oldies waiting for happy hour. All the western things are way more expensive. I think almost all in the Big C supermarket would be cheaper in Holland.

But i lived in Brazil on an island spending around 1000 USD. There wasn't much you could spent your money on there. Even the girly bar was closed cause there was enough that wanted to go for fun

Are that 5 liters so bad? I always buy those. But the ones from Nestle / Chang etcetra.


Not old enough for a retirement visa yet, and not willing to buy an Elite Thai visa.
I also like to move between Latin America and Asia. But Vietnam isn't that nice as it was.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by thommy

nobody ever said it is easier !

but what you don´t seem to understand is the fact that the 20.000 webmasters from 15 years ago did not even do a fraction of the revenue that is done today from much less webmasters.

some of this 20.000 one-man-shows from than are today huge companies with a few 100 employees.

100 years ago a chicken farmer with 20 chicken could make a life - but can he today ?
but today 100 times more eggs are produced and sold and the total revenue with eggs is possibly about 10.000 times higher than it was 100 years ago.

you should stop to live in yesterday and talk like one of this fools who thought that a easy way to make money will not bring the high-skilled business people and professionals in a market where you can eat your competitor for breakfast.

if you describe yourself as one of this old school guys who were to beat it is already a prove of how easy it was to beat you and the other unprofessional out.
the market was not killed from anybody - just accept that you and the other dreamers were just eaten for breakfast.

Mindgeek and few other make good money. But no one is making the money the porn industry as a whole used to make. The revenue for advertising on porn sites is not going to cut it and the money from memberships isn't helping.

As for your comments about Thailand, why go there to live on European food?

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Mindgeek and few other make good money. But no one is making the money the porn industry as a whole used to make. The revenue for advertising on porn sites is not going to cut it and the money from memberships isn't helping.

keep on dreaming...

As for your comments about Thailand, why go there to live on European food?

because i can afford to be here.
btw I do not ONLY live in thailand - i have a few places in europe too.

did you go to CZ because you liked the food?

well I do like thai food - but not every day - but fortunately I am not here because I want to safe money - so I can eat whatever I want.

[digitalfantasies]

I actually have some data:
I don't know what the skills in 2000-2009 were. I started in 2009. but In October 2017 I started a new small network of blog/review site with no links to my main network and tried mostly new programs or new accounts at existing programs with fresh affiliate ID, because of google paranoia and couldn't get any new sites linked to my old network to rank decently

used what worked on my main network stayed away from what didnt, worked hard for a month to fill it. Started getting same low traffic high conversion, Not more than 100 Unique visits per site. After that my main network got major boost in google, so didn't spend more than a hour maybe 2 a day on the new network.

With only 1 hour a day and probably only a weekly update on the sites the new network 2 years later, last month payments:

Vxcash: 1200 Euro
Xlovecash: 750 Euro
Cambuilder: 700 Usd
Imlive/pussycash: 500usd
Crakrevenue:175usd
Livejasmin: 150

so on this new small network with other miscellaneous small payouts close to 4000 with very minimal work

My focus is still on the main network, but i'm just very lazy. the only time a work hard is when sales drop, and when it gets back to were it was I stop working again. sometimes I don't do anything at all for weeks.


So I agree with the person who said it can easily be done if you put in the time.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by digitalfantasies

I actually have some data:
I don't know what the skills in 2000-2009 were. I started in 2009. but In October 2017 I started a new small network of blog/review site with no links to my main network and tried mostly new programs or new accounts at existing programs with fresh affiliate ID, because of google paranoia and couldn't get any new sites linked to my old network to rank decently

used what worked on my main network stayed away from what didnt, worked hard for a month to fill it. Started getting same low traffic high conversion, Not more than 100 Unique visits per site. After that my main network got major boost in google, so didn't spend more than a hour maybe 2 a day on the new network.

With only 1 hour a day and probably only a weekly update on the sites the new network 2 years later, last month payments:

Vxcash: 1200 Euro
Xlovecash: 750 Euro
Cambuilder: 700 Usd
Imlive/pussycash: 500usd
Crakrevenue:175usd
Livejasmin: 150

so on this new small network with other miscellaneous small payouts close to 4000 with very minimal work

My focus is still on the main network, but i'm just very lazy. the only time a work hard is when sales drop, and when it gets back to were it was I stop working again. sometimes I don't do anything at all for weeks.


So I agree with the person who said it can easily be done if you put in the time.

well done - but paul will not believe you.

he is a bitter old man and just can't stand that others can make money with the opposite of his strategies.

from paul's point of view a business has to work for the fools and he can't and doesn't want to understand that someone who is not a fool simply takes the business away from the fools.
and since paul on the other hand is smart enough to know that such people are called losers and he doesn't want to admit that he is the head of this group, he denies reality and comforts himself with the lies that only he himself believes.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by digitalfantasies

I actually have some data:
I don't know what the skills in 2000-2009 were. I started in 2009. but In October 2017 I started a new small network of blog/review site with no links to my main network and tried mostly new programs or new accounts at existing programs with fresh affiliate ID, because of google paranoia and couldn't get any new sites linked to my old network to rank decently

used what worked on my main network stayed away from what didnt, worked hard for a month to fill it. Started getting same low traffic high conversion, Not more than 100 Unique visits per site. After that my main network got major boost in google, so didn't spend more than a hour maybe 2 a day on the new network.

With only 1 hour a day and probably only a weekly update on the sites the new network 2 years later, last month payments:

Vxcash: 1200 Euro
Xlovecash: 750 Euro
Cambuilder: 700 Usd
Imlive/pussycash: 500usd
Crakrevenue:175usd
Livejasmin: 150

so on this new small network with other miscellaneous small payouts close to 4000 with very minimal work

My focus is still on the main network, but i'm just very lazy. the only time a work hard is when sales drop, and when it gets back to were it was I stop working again. sometimes I don't do anything at all for weeks.


So I agree with the person who said it can easily be done if you put in the time.

That's fantastic, thank you for sharing.

[Klen]

Originally Posted by thommy

well done - but paul will not believe you.

he is a bitter old man and just can't stand that others can make money with the opposite of his strategies.

from paul's point of view a business has to work for the fools and he can't and doesn't want to understand that someone who is not a fool simply takes the business away from the fools.
and since paul on the other hand is smart enough to know that such people are called losers and he doesn't want to admit that he is the head of this group, he denies reality and comforts himself with the lies that only he himself believes.

I think Paul world went down moment magazines stopped working

[thommy]

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

I think Paul world went down moment magazines stopped working

but magazines did not stop working - they have only changed the media and are now much more and address a much larger group.

at paul's time there was a handful of magazines and a few thousand sexshops and videostores. today there are millions of them on the internet.

and of course everyone would like to be the only one and tell later how easy it was when there was no competition.

[CaptainHowdy]

I just make alms . . .

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

I think Paul world went down moment magazines stopped working

My world went down when I discovered I had cancer, that was 6 months after my wife had a near death car accident and spent a lot of time in hospital recovering.

It was also the time I decided to retire. After 30 years in the biz.

At our height we were selling online and offline and making great money as a content producer. A dam sight more than most paysites.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by thommy

but magazines did not stop working - they have only changed the media and are now much more and address a much larger group.

at paul's time there was a handful of magazines and a few thousand sexshops and videostores. today there are millions of them on the internet.

and of course everyone would like to be the only one and tell later how easy it was when there was no competition.

You really are clueless. Do some research and find out what the owners of those few magazines, sex shops earned.

There is no denying that today the porn industry supplies more porn than ever before. The difference is the money made. Magazines paid 10 times more than paysites could, online content stores sold 10 times more than paysites would pay. DVD companies paid 10 times more that paysites could.

Tubes can't afford to pay for content without a paysite model. They can't afford to pay a $5 a gig BW, while paysites could and did. The Hun could post a gallery and the BW bill was the difference between making a profit and making a loss, while some sites could afford to buy spots.

It doesn't matter how many people are watching porn, all that matters is how many buy porn.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by digitalfantasies

I actually have some data:
I don't know what the skills in 2000-2009 were. I started in 2009. but In October 2017 I started a new small network of blog/review site with no links to my main network and tried mostly new programs or new accounts at existing programs with fresh affiliate ID, because of google paranoia and couldn't get any new sites linked to my old network to rank decently

used what worked on my main network stayed away from what didnt, worked hard for a month to fill it. Started getting same low traffic high conversion, Not more than 100 Unique visits per site. After that my main network got major boost in google, so didn't spend more than a hour maybe 2 a day on the new network.

With only 1 hour a day and probably only a weekly update on the sites the new network 2 years later, last month payments:

Vxcash: 1200 Euro
Xlovecash: 750 Euro
Cambuilder: 700 Usd
Imlive/pussycash: 500usd
Crakrevenue:175usd
Livejasmin: 150

so on this new small network with other miscellaneous small payouts close to 4000 with very minimal work

My focus is still on the main network, but i'm just very lazy. the only time a work hard is when sales drop, and when it gets back to were it was I stop working again. sometimes I don't do anything at all for weeks.


So I agree with the person who said it can easily be done if you put in the time.

Thanks for sharing.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

You really are clueless. Do some research and find out what the owners of those few magazines, sex shops earned.

does your pension gives you enough to buy a 2 euro calculator?

if yes try to tell me wich is the bigger market size:

100 magazines with 10.000.000 eranings or
10 million magazines with 10.000 earnings

There is no denying that today the porn industry supplies more porn than ever before. The difference is the money made. Magazines paid 10 times more than paysites could, online content stores sold 10 times more than paysites would pay. DVD companies paid 10 times more that paysites could.

see the upper calculation

Tubes can't afford to pay for content without a paysite model. They can't afford to pay a $5 a gig BW, while paysites could and did.

excellent point - do you know how much a Mbit of bandwith was 15 years ago and how much a terrabit is today?

the costs to send a video to a user 15 years ago have been simply too high to give it fro free. with the tubes things have changed because they buy that much bandwidth that
they can give it for free AND make money with whatever else than selling porn.
alone the dating revenues that are made in porn today are aproximately 50 times higher as all porn online revenues 15 years ago.
and this is just dating - there are dozends of products more that bring the advertising money - why shoudl they only sell the product with the smallest group of buyers?

The Hun could post a gallery and the BW bill was the difference between making a profit and making a loss, while some sites could afford to buy spots.

correct - and today he could even deliver it on his own costs because he can get 10.000 times more bandwidth for the same price.

i HAD this experience with the hun when i posted galleries around the millenium and i paid more for the bandwidth than i could make with the sales.

if a post did not get enough sales it was a negative balance.

It doesn't matter how many people are watching porn, all that matters is how many buy porn.

change that in:

It doesn't matter how many people are watching wild wild west movies, all that matters is how many buy horses.

and you know how far you are from reality.
a hotel on the beach does not sell the beach it gives it for free and sells the bed and the food.

you will never understand how marketing, and especially internet-marketing works and this is why it is so senseless to discuss that with you.

[Tasty1]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

You really are clueless. Do some research and find out what the owners of those few magazines, sex shops earned.

There is no denying that today the porn industry supplies more porn than ever before. The difference is the money made. Magazines paid 10 times more than paysites could, online content stores sold 10 times more than paysites would pay. DVD companies paid 10 times more that paysites could.

Tubes can't afford to pay for content without a paysite model. They can't afford to pay a $5 a gig BW, while paysites could and did. The Hun could post a gallery and the BW bill was the difference between making a profit and making a loss, while some sites could afford to buy spots.

It doesn't matter how many people are watching porn, all that matters is how many buy porn.

- A model now makes 400 euro for a shoot and several hundreds or thousands a month on chaturbate saying she is a pornstar. She/He/Trans has much more options now to make money.

- When people where able to buy porn by Ideal bank (cost 0,30 cents per transaction) instead of telephone (20 - 50% of the transaction) i saw my income more than tripled in a year.

- A magazine made money cause of porn images, classifieds ads, sex stories, advertisement. Look what Adult Friendfinder makes, Backpage made, traffic companies make reddit makes... worldwide! etcetra. Only adultfriendfinder isn't interested in porn pictures or the advertiser must put them up (user generated content). I read a book about the history of porn in Holland, must ended up with no money at all due to circumstances (like the internet/ drugs/ bad investments/ living too large). I had a free classifieds porn site already 15 years ago, why buy a magazine with ads that are 4 weeks old and a reply takes also days/weeks. On my free sextories site i put even Paul Markhams pictures at the stories So in a way, you fucked the magazines also, just like the tubes ;)

- Magazines even made money putting in fake ads so people could sent a letter to the magazine and they would sent it to the author for 10 guilder ;)

- Recently Beat Uhse and Scala are taken over by EDC Internet (Dutch company) who started 15 years ago in an attic. He looked outside Europe and selling worldwide. And making more than regional sexshops with a market reach of maybe 50 - 200.000 people in medium large cities.

Magazines are history. If i tinder for free i see more porn than i could find in 1 magazine. And real amateurs