SoBeGirl Video

They why do adult webmasrters insist on having them?

detoxed

legal protection

DrewKole

Yup, np, I'll never buy from ya, and suggest everyone else do the same.

My god, what a fuckin newb.

Brujah

how else are we supposed to stalk them ?

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the downfall of sobegirl.

C_U_Next_Tuesday

surely you jest?

Stashi

lol read my mind

AaronM

Fucking retards...ALL of you.

For once, Sobe is right.

"They why do adult webmasrters insist on having them?"

The answer to this is simple. Ignorance.

Do me a favor and don't buy from me either if you don't understand the fucking law. This tells me you were too stupid to consult with an attorney before breaking into a high risk business and I don't want anything to do with you.

Vox

The owners and operators of this Website are not the primary producer (as that term is defined in 18 USC section 2257 or subsequent case law defining such) of any of the visual content contained in the Website.
Please direct questions pertaining to content on this website to:
(content producer) Custodian of Records


The original records require from the primary producer of said video and visual media and pursuant to 18 U.S.C. section 2257 and 28 C.F.R. 75 for all materials contained in the website are kept by the following Custodian of Records:

(content producer) Custodian of Records

It's nice to see there ID's, but of no use to me.

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DrewKole

Sorry, but I trust content providers as far as I can throw them.

And, obviously, not many of us can even throw you Aaron. =)

Im all about ID's... =) Especially since I deal with a good amount of twink material... something that some people are highly offended by, due to our redneck society down here.

Even if it dont mean shit, Id like to have that side bit of comfort that Im doin somethin.... right?

stocktrader23

I won't. Personally, I understand that I'm not required to keep up with the documents. However, if the feds come knocking on MY fucking door I want them. Who's to say you will be in business in 1, 2, or 20 years down the road? Who's to say YOU kept up with the shit you needed to? Who's to say your house won't catch on fire?

You always run off at the mouth because people want something you know they don't have to have. It's their own fucking choice. Get over it.

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stocktrader23

Ditto. I'm glad this came up because I was planning on buying most if not all of these sets. Fuck it, I'll stick to the provider I know sends them to me every single time. It's my choice.

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Stashi

I dont know sobe or his ways of business, but Aaron is cool as shit and follows the book.

He wouldnt do something that would put himself OR his customers at risk.

stocktrader23

That is of 0 importance. I won't buy a set without the documents and I don't give a shit if my dad is selling them.

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SoBeGirl Video

I am going to ask my lawyer about this. Then he will tell me what I want to hear, send me a 300 dollar bill and everyone will be happy.

Stashi

ST i understand your point.


The buyer naturally should have the preference.

stocktrader23

Do you not understand we don't disagree with you? By law you are correct, the purchaser does not have to keep them. Some of us just prefer to do so.

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Groove

Well while you're at it, why don't you also ask your lawyer about the legality of selling content with the written undertaking that releases and IDs are included, then refusing to provide them after you've received payment. I think that you'll find this technically known as "fraud"

Brujah

ask the lawyer if he can send me his sister's drivers license too.

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Paul Markham

I suggest you read this thread.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=130763

Having the documentation allows webmasters to know what rights the models signed away when you paid her. You need to see she was over age, you need a ID document that has her signature on so you can compare the signature to the one on the Model Release.

Or perhaps you should talk to an attorney. Something you do have as you are in the PORNO business?

Then maybe you will start to understand the business you are in.

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Brujah

Now I'm confused !

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Paul Markham

You are trying to tell us that you have not already consulted a lawyer on this and are shouting your mough off. You are a joke.

Tell him you are running a teen sex website and buying in content, putting up words against the pictures, which you are altering and then see what he says.

Anyone who comes into this industry without consulting with a lawyer on what is acceptable in their locality is asking for trouble.

Sorry if that brands me as "Mr No Personality" but it's the truth.

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AaronM

Nothing wrong with that. In fact, COMFORT is the only reason to provide the ID's to the webmasters in the first place.

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I am gonna get another beer, take a piss, and rejoin this thread.

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Not neccesarily in that order.
BRB.

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AaronM

Actually, it is my choice too....not just yours. I have the right to choose if I want to send the ID's or not. I have had 2 requests for ID's. The first one I explained the law and he was ok with that. The 2nd one still wished to see it so he got it.

If you read and understood the law then you would have the answers to your above questions. Please do not give me attitude simply because you have no clue what you are talking about.

Go research the recent Sundance Associates Inc v. Reno case then come back here and tell me again what the courts think of this issue.

Paul Markham

If she posed nude for me I already have it. If I sold her pictures to you, you already have it.

Ask a lawyer and see what he says. Try this guy.

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Damn...I am going to grab a beer. Talk amongst yourselves. Very good thread mates!

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I want to see Larry Walters debate it with Aarons Lawyer.

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AaronM

I never said I would not provide them upon request.

Honestly though...I do not care if anybody from this board EVER buys content from me again. What I really would like to see is EVERYBODY in this business become educated on the laws so that we can all do shit the way it is supposed to be done.

Do you go to McDonalds and ask to see the certificate that their beef is USDA approved? No, you are not at legal risk if it is not but the point is that you trust a minimum wage worker with your life but not a content provider with your freedom.

AaronM

Paul Markham

Or is Aaron his own lawyer?

Forget 2257, it's probably going to be updated now the Attorney General has been asked to tell how effective it is.

Here again are why the webmaster needs the documents.

To see they exist and are acceptable.
To see the girl was old enough.
To see exactly what rights she signed away.
To see that she did actually sign them away.
To see who shot it and if the seller have the rights to resell.

Or are you going to leave all this to some guy you've never met?

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stocktrader23

lol, I see you found my other post a couple of responses down. I know what the law says and I've seen you drill it in many peoples heads lately. I just prefer to have them. That is all.

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Paul Markham

I would rather trust MacDonalds with my health than a content provider with my freedom.

Why?

MacDonalds are so worried of getting sued they will look after it.

Content Providers come and go. Are you saying US clients of Adult Czech Content should rely on a company 7,000 to 10,000 miles away for their freedom?

What if the Content Provider dies, goes out of business, has a fire, or just gets pissed off with you?

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BigFrog

sometime ago i had a big problem with content providers not providing ID's and shit for purchases....
then, Aaron explained it to me....i read up on the law some more and came to the conclusion that the advice given by Aaron was correct.

if the attorney general comes knocking on my door and advises me that the content im using is underage or illegal in any way....i'm not the one going to jail....the content provider is.

AaronM

I have no issue with that.

AaronM

Very valid points. And that is why I also say that it is smartest to buy from a provider who is subject to the same laws as you are. IE...If you live in the US, Do not buy from a content provider who does not.

Charly...On a personal level, I like you. On a professional level, you are only making matters worse by scaring people with half truths and stretched what if's.

The law is the law is the law and although you may understand it, you are not showing that you do.

Look at your silly assed example of the fire...Let's say that I shoot content for MY OWN paysites. Now what if my place burns down? Am I then in violation of Federal law? No, I am not. Not unless I started the fire myself to cover up the fact that my docs were not in order in the first place.

If you can not sell your content based on the quality of it and you need to resort to trashing other peoples ways of LEGALLY doing business then I feel very sorry for you. Your content is better than that. YOU are better than that.

UnseenWorld

Frequently, by doing something you create in "in effect" duty. For example, if you walk past a lake and see someone drowning, the legally smart thing to do is to keep walking. Why? You have no legal duty to help (amazing, but true). However, once you start trying to help, you are opening yourself to all kinds of lawsuits.

By legal parallel, if you as a secondary producer start keeping recards it is actually the primary producer's duty to keep, and you blow it here or there, all of a sudden questions arise as to why you blew it.

Better to keep the duties where they belong.

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AaronM

Well said.

Danielle

Actually it all boils down to.......

You are 100% responsible for what you post on your site.

So do whatever you need to do to protect yourself and satisfy what your lawyer wants to see. After all, your lawyer is the one that will be defending you if the shit hits the fan.

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AaronM

Do yourself a favor and brush up on recent legal cases. Sundance vs. Reno comes to mind.

NEXT!

Danielle

LOL!

Do yourself a favor and read my post again! You are showing your ignorance big time!

You are acting like the olmighty 2257 expert! Guess what? You are not! You are not even a lawyer!

I stand by what I have said. Do exactly as your lawyer tells you! He or she is the one that will be protecting your ass. Not me! Not AaronM!

Danielle

Danielle

Opps I forgot!

NEXT!

LOL!

Danielle

SpaceAce

To be fair, that isn't a very good comparison. When you go to McDonalds and buy their product you are not planning to redistribute it to other people.

A fact of this business is that it's risky. No matter what we think 2257 tells us and no matter what our lawyers say, if we get caught with underage models on our websites, telling the feds, "It isn't my fault, I don't keep the records," probably will not be the end of the problem. Even if you win in the end, the time lost and the potential damage to your business is great. For many webmasters, it's a case of better safe than sorry. I don't generally insist on having the models' IDs on file for myself but I wouldn't do business with anyone who refused to give them to me if I did ask.

SpaceAce

Danielle

Yes that case is about primary and secondary producers.

But that court decision only effects secondary producers that live in the 10th court governd area which includes Colorado, Kansas, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Utah & Wyoming.

I don't live in any of those states. The court in my area does not have to go by what the 10th court has ruled.

Plus all I am saying is to ignore people like you and me and do what your lawyer says to do.

Danielle

AaronM

Damn right I consider myself some sort of a 2257 expert. I understand the law and you clearly do not.

I fully agree with the lawyer thing but the rest of it is way off base.

AaronM

LOL

AaronM

Most of this is very true.

Danielle

So you are giving out legal advise and you are not a lawyer. Am I correct?

Danielle