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quiet · 05-04-2003, 04:37 AM

one fifty - 50

DirtyDanza · 05-04-2003, 04:37 AM

DirtyDanza · 05-04-2003, 04:38 AM

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Originally posted by quiet
100

FUCK...

Nydahl · 05-04-2003, 04:41 AM

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Originally posted by charly
Who are adultczechcontent?

I agree with you about the documents. I reckon our level of documentation is probably better than most US content providers anyway.

the only thing I don't understand is how the fuck you get the smiley in post - doesn't work for me
and don't work on sunday man - take a walk with your wife , its great weather today :-)

Loch · 05-04-2003, 05:11 AM

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Originally posted by Nydahl

the only thing I don't understand is how the fuck you get the smiley in post - doesn't work for me
and don't work on sunday man - take a walk with your wife , its great weather today :-)

Then again why are you here

SGS · 05-04-2003, 05:11 AM

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Originally posted by charly
SORRY BUT WHEN YOU DROP YOUR KNICKERS IN FRONT OF ME WITH A CAMERA, SIGN A MODEL RELEASE AND TAKE MY MONEY. YOUR RIGHTS ARE NOT MY CONCERN.

I do however choose to remove the contact details from the model release and the IDs.

You want to stay invisible? Keep you knickers on and don't take my money. My responsibility is to my customers, not models who think they can do this work, take our money and stay invisible.

One of the reasons why we wait for them to be 18 is that they are then old enough to make their own decisions.

Exactly

stocktrader23 · 05-04-2003, 05:17 AM

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Originally posted by Dirty_DS
you konw that you only have to show paperwork on your stuff if the Proper Authoriteis ask.... fuck everybody who says other than that.. as long as the attorney genral can get them from you if he wants... then you can have anything you want on your 2257....

You are an example waiting to happen.

scoreman · 05-04-2003, 05:19 AM

Age is verified by law enforcement all the time, regardless of the current court case holdings. This is not some hypothetical issue, here at The SCORE Group, we have had the FBI and other law enforcement agencies request to see documentation more times than I can count from memory. We fax copies of the documentation and the matter ends.

Model releases are also important to protect yourself from lawsuits. SCORE also gets inquiries from models all the time who want to explore litigation over the publication of their photos. Having a model release which clearly defines their rights ends these types of inquiries immediately.

This is not just about being in compliance with laws that could put us in jail, having documentation prevents law enforcement and lawsuits from interfering and consuming time and staffing resources.

SGS · 05-04-2003, 06:06 AM

Anyone who has an adult website, video or printed publication without having *full* documentation of *all* models featured would have to be either very naive or downright stupid in my opinion. Put your possible liberty in the hands of someone you have never met? Not in a million years.

LadyMischief · 05-04-2003, 08:34 AM

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Originally posted by =^..^=

EXACTLY!

i would NEVER give a webmsaster access to model releases and as a model I'd personall y track down and break the legs of any photographer who gave out a release that showed my full name address and phone number Plus ID's

Yep..that is endangering the life of the model AND leaving her open to identify theft or stalking or other nasty stuff. I will provide docs if asked, but I will NEVER provide unaltered docs to anyone unless they are a legal authority.

LadyMischief · 05-04-2003, 08:38 AM

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Originally posted by charly
SORRY BUT WHEN YOU DROP YOUR KNICKERS IN FRONT OF ME WITH A CAMERA, SIGN A MODEL RELEASE AND TAKE MY MONEY. YOUR RIGHTS ARE NOT MY CONCERN.

I do however choose to remove the contact details from the model release and the IDs.

You want to stay invisible? Keep you knickers on and don't take my money. My responsibility is to my customers, not models who think they can do this work, take our money and stay invisible.

One of the reasons why we wait for them to be 18 is that they are then old enough to make their own decisions.

So what you're saying is that your models, who you make your money from, without which your business wouldn't exist, etc, are shit to you? Remind me to never send you a model. Models are human beings too with lives, families, etc. Just because they get naked on camera for money doesn't mean they are useless chattel that can be used and abused without any consideration for that. Man, Paul, I like you and respect your work, but you just lost a lot of props in my books for this statement.

Edit: Didn't Eva start out as a model for you? Would you appreciate it if someone treated HER like this? How about if someone was providing unaltered docs, some fan got a hold of her info and murdered her in her bed. How about someone stealing her identity and ruining the next 10 years of her life? Think about it.

LadyMischief · 05-04-2003, 08:43 AM

We as a content provider comply with not only US title 18 requirements, but Canadian obscenity laws etc. A lot of people ask us why we don't have certain types of images on our site that other people do, it's because we're adhering to the strict laws of TWO countries.. for our protection, and most of all for the protection of our customers. I have only love for ya Aaron, but even though we are a Canadian company, we have proven ourselves trustworthy, knowledgable AND compliant with the laws even though we are not subject to them. We do it for our customers, because they are extremely important to us. We do it for us because our protection is important too, and although Canada doesn't have EXACTLY the same law as title 18, they have similar laws (some parrots of US laws basically) that require essentially all the same elements. In fact, in some cases, Canadian law is MORE strict as to what can be displayed, etc. We comply with both countries, and will continue to do so.

Paul Markham · 05-04-2003, 08:51 AM

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Originally posted by scoreman
Age is verified by law enforcement all the time, regardless of the current court case holdings. This is not some hypothetical issue, here at The SCORE Group, we have had the FBI and other law enforcement agencies request to see documentation more times than I can count from memory. We fax copies of the documentation and the matter ends.

Model releases are also important to protect yourself from lawsuits. SCORE also gets inquiries from models all the time who want to explore litigation over the publication of their photos. Having a model release which clearly defines their rights ends these types of inquiries immediately.

This is not just about being in compliance with laws that could put us in jail, having documentation prevents law enforcement and lawsuits from interfering and consuming time and staffing resources.

But apparently the law is different if you work from home or at least some people seem to think it is.

Paul Markham · 05-04-2003, 09:07 AM

LadyMischief
No I do not think of models as badly as you think, but I do not lose sleep over whether some one finds out what they are doing.

We live and shoot in Czech, we do not sell to Czech magazines, we do not allow Czech webmasters to buy the content.

We remove all the contact details from the documents and there it ends.

If the girl gets recognised by someone who knows her that is her problem not mine. But we do our most to reduce it.

Do you sell to webmasters within 500 miles of where your models live?

What measures do you take to reduce the chances of a models friend or relative seeing their pictures?

I rest my case.

LadyMischief · 05-04-2003, 09:48 AM

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Originally posted by charly
LadyMischief
No I do not think of models as badly as you think, but I do not lose sleep over whether some one finds out what they are doing.

We live and shoot in Czech, we do not sell to Czech magazines, we do not allow Czech webmasters to buy the content.

We remove all the contact details from the documents and there it ends.

If the girl gets recognised by someone who knows her that is her problem not mine. But we do our most to reduce it.

Do you sell to webmasters within 500 miles of where your models live?

What measures do you take to reduce the chances of a models friend or relative seeing their pictures?

I rest my case.

I inform my girls the second they walk in the door that if they aren't prepared for someone they know to see their pics someday, somewhere, to turn around and walk out. It's her responsibility as far as informing them, and I never knocked a girl for walking out if she decided that wasn't what she was willing to accept.. No measures to prevent that happening would be 100% once people starting purchasing the content. It's not fear of someone they KNOW knowing what they've done, it's the fact that I've HAD a model stalked by some creep, had the police involved, etc, and seen her afraid for her life. As long as full information is not disclosed, it's all good.. But giving out a model's personal information, such as address and social insurance or tax numbers etc is irresponsible and CRUEL (also illegal according to direct interpretation of the law).

(In the case of my girl being stalked it was because it was someone at work who found her pictures, not because I disclosed personal information. However, her terror was real, and experiencing it just made it that much more real and important in my mind to make sure it didn't happen to anyone else due to something that was preventable if I had handled information indiscriminately.)

Groove · 05-04-2003, 09:55 AM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief
As long as full information is not disclosed, it's all good.. But giving out a model's personal information, such as address and social insurance or tax numbers etc is irresponsible and CRUEL (also illegal according to direct interpretation of the law).

I request model releases and IDs from all of my content providers, but the address and social security number is usually deleted from the docs provided.

Nydahl · 05-04-2003, 09:56 AM

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Originally posted by Loch

Then again why are you here

how aboout to help me instead of making a jokes on me you bastard
smilies are on in my profile and are not disabled in post
happen suddenly on yesterday fuck

AaronM · 05-04-2003, 11:00 AM

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Originally posted by Nydahl

you are kidding bullshit.And I am not saying this just because I want to stay in biz or save CZech producers or what.
The problem is that you know that compatition of Czech producers is really hard so you decided to advice US customers to stick to US content providers only.We can do the same job like you for 100 bucks but you have to charge 250 - thats the fact.
We are not breaking the US law in any way
Nothing against you Aaron - its your decision and oppinion so I respect that , but you are kidding bulshit

No, I am not kidding and if you have ever listened to a legal discussion at a US show then you would have heard the advice from the same attorneys that I have heard it from.

As for being concerned by Czech competition......What competition? I am not aware of any content providers who shoot the same way I do.

Why is it that every time I state a fact that people like you have to accuse me of basically trying to steal your business? Pretty fucking insecure of yourself.

The bottom line is that if a US content provider fucks up or simply takes off, our laws will still follow them for 5 years and they can be enforced. WTF could we do if you closed your doors and left us hanging high and dry? NOTHING. How can we be 100% certain that the content providers we deal with are subject to the same laws we are??? Buy from the ones in the US.

This is the truth and anybody with any common sense can see it. I have often referred people to other content providers, in and out of the US.

Czech your facts before you run your mouth at me.

AaronM · 05-04-2003, 11:05 AM

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Originally posted by charly
So the fact that the guy is a US citizen makes it impossible for him to break the law?

If you really want to play it safe,

INSIST ON GETTING THE DOCUMENTATION AND DO NOT LEAVE IT TO SOME ONE ELSE.

Quit acting like a retard, Paul.

Sure a US citizen can break the law and THAT is EXACTLY why it is safer to buy from a US citizen...If he does break the US law, He can be held responsible for it. You can not. Thanks for helping me make my point.

Getting altered documentation is bullshit and if you don't know it then you are one stupid mother fucker.

AaronM · 05-04-2003, 11:10 AM

Is it me or are all of the people who are arguing the US laws, in this thread, all located in other countries?

HMMMM....What's that tell me?

Either you have no clue WTF you are talking aobut or you are afraid that you will lose business if people are educated with truth rather than fear.

xxxcam · 05-04-2003, 12:21 PM

the guy gave us awsome movies for $5/set and you fuckers complaining.... if he was a newbie he wouldn't shoot so many movies in the first place...

psyko514 · 05-04-2003, 12:55 PM

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Originally posted by Danielle

Then what the hell is wrong with my post? All I said was take your fucking lawyers advise! LOL!

Danielle

Why the fuck do educated adults have so much trouble spelling simple words like ADVICE? Especially when the text that they're quoting has it spelled properly??

AaronM · 05-04-2003, 01:00 PM

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Originally posted by psyko514

Why the fuck do educated adults have so much trouble spelling simple words like ADVICE? Especially when the text that they're quoting has it spelled properly??

1005 Shit Disturber

psyko514 · 05-04-2003, 01:09 PM

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Originally posted by AaronM

1005 Shit Disturber

So Fucking Unbanned!

SoBeGirl Video · 05-04-2003, 01:29 PM

Can I propose that Aaron M be banned for practicing law with out a license??

Seems resonable that we disbar him for not being on the bar in the first place.

US kicked Iraqs ass and is BP4L------ JUst like SoBeGirl

Check out the tag line Homies...

Fletch XXX · 05-04-2003, 01:31 PM

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Originally posted by Stashi

I dont know sobe or his ways of business, but Aaron is cool as shit and follows the book.

He wouldnt do something that would put himself OR his customers at risk.

An established crook speaking for others? cute.

Stashi go steal a gallery to submit today.

tony286 · 05-04-2003, 02:00 PM

I think you first cant quote cases when Janet Reno was Attorney General, the new guy has a different view point on the matter. Also alot of content providers are Mom/ Pops and can disappear tomorrow you are not exactly buying content from IBM. They can go after you if you have underage girls on your site even though you are not the primany producer especially if photos by lou disappears. Also I think the I didnt know defense is not going to work in the legal climate we live in. Even if you are right, how many of us have the money to go ten rounds with the feds. Most would have to take a plea bargain even if we were innocent. Being right doesnt make you bullet proof.

SoBeGirl Video · 05-04-2003, 02:59 PM

And that is precisly why you should buy content from American Providers who have been in business 3 years or more like SoBeGirl or .... Who ever else.

tony286 · 05-04-2003, 03:09 PM

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Originally posted by SoBeGirl Video
And that is precisly why you should buy content from American Providers who have been in business 3 years or more like SoBeGirl or .... Who ever else.

3 years or more doesnt make you solid lol.

AaronM · 05-04-2003, 06:45 PM

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Originally posted by tony404

3 years or more doesnt make you solid lol.

Nor honest and a man of your word.

Stashi · 05-04-2003, 06:46 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX

An established crook speaking for others? cute.

Stashi go steal a gallery to submit today.

actually i can do that!

According to Aaron a copywrite is only good on paper, and "assumed copywrite" (the same type a gallery has) wouldnt stand in court!

Awsome!

Groove · 05-04-2003, 07:27 PM

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Originally posted by SoBeGirl Video
Check out the tag line Homies...

So you're officially BP4L...

What happens to BP4L members who break Family Law?

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Originally posted by Boneprone
Sobe, just give the docs man even if you think it does not comply with the law Aaron has stated. Even if you think it is not law, think of it as Family law for the family. Just do it bro.

Yet you still refuse to give me the docs!

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scoreman Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 1,491	Age is verified by law enforcement all the time, regardless of the current court case holdings. This is not some hypothetical issue, here at The SCORE Group, we have had the FBI and other law enforcement agencies request to see documentation more times than I can count from memory. We fax copies of the documentation and the matter ends. Model releases are also important to protect yourself from lawsuits. SCORE also gets inquiries from models all the time who want to explore litigation over the publication of their photos. Having a model release which clearly defines their rights ends these types of inquiries immediately. This is not just about being in compliance with laws that could put us in jail, having documentation prevents law enforcement and lawsuits from interfering and consuming time and staffing resources. __________________

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SGS Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mallorca - Nottingham Posts: 5,176	Anyone who has an adult website, video or printed publication without having full documentation of all models featured would have to be either very naive or downright stupid in my opinion. Put your possible liberty in the hands of someone you have never met? Not in a million years. __________________ See sig...

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LadyMischief Orgasms N Such! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oakville, Ontario Posts: 18,135	We as a content provider comply with not only US title 18 requirements, but Canadian obscenity laws etc. A lot of people ask us why we don't have certain types of images on our site that other people do, it's because we're adhering to the strict laws of TWO countries.. for our protection, and most of all for the protection of our customers. I have only love for ya Aaron, but even though we are a Canadian company, we have proven ourselves trustworthy, knowledgable AND compliant with the laws even though we are not subject to them. We do it for our customers, because they are extremely important to us. We do it for us because our protection is important too, and although Canada doesn't have EXACTLY the same law as title 18, they have similar laws (some parrots of US laws basically) that require essentially all the same elements. In fact, in some cases, Canadian law is MORE strict as to what can be displayed, etc. We comply with both countries, and will continue to do so. __________________ ICQ 3522039 Content Manager - orgasm.com [email protected]

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Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	LadyMischief No I do not think of models as badly as you think, but I do not lose sleep over whether some one finds out what they are doing. We live and shoot in Czech, we do not sell to Czech magazines, we do not allow Czech webmasters to buy the content. We remove all the contact details from the documents and there it ends. If the girl gets recognised by someone who knows her that is her problem not mine. But we do our most to reduce it. Do you sell to webmasters within 500 miles of where your models live? What measures do you take to reduce the chances of a models friend or relative seeing their pictures? I rest my case. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

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AaronM Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: ┌∩┐ ◣_◢ ┌∩┐ Posts: 46,909	Is it me or are all of the people who are arguing the US laws, in this thread, all located in other countries? HMMMM....What's that tell me? Either you have no clue WTF you are talking aobut or you are afraid that you will lose business if people are educated with truth rather than fear.

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SoBeGirl Video So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Planet earth Posts: 2,493	Can I propose that Aaron M be banned for practicing law with out a license?? Seems resonable that we disbar him for not being on the bar in the first place. US kicked Iraqs ass and is BP4L------ JUst like SoBeGirl Check out the tag line Homies...

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tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	I think you first cant quote cases when Janet Reno was Attorney General, the new guy has a different view point on the matter. Also alot of content providers are Mom/ Pops and can disappear tomorrow you are not exactly buying content from IBM. They can go after you if you have underage girls on your site even though you are not the primany producer especially if photos by lou disappears. Also I think the I didnt know defense is not going to work in the legal climate we live in. Even if you are right, how many of us have the money to go ten rounds with the feds. Most would have to take a plea bargain even if we were innocent. Being right doesnt make you bullet proof.

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SoBeGirl Video So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Planet earth Posts: 2,493	And that is precisly why you should buy content from American Providers who have been in business 3 years or more like SoBeGirl or .... Who ever else.