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AaronM · 10-03-2015, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls

Ok I admit that gun violence consist of suicide more than homicide.

You're the one who keeps insisting that the Oregon college is a gun free zone even though that is false.

"Umpqua Community College, site of a mass shooting Thursday, bans guns, knives longer than 4 inches and other weapons from campus.

But that policy has one big exemption that renders the pastoral 100-acre campus near Roseburg anything but a gun-free zone: Everyone with a concealed firearms license is allowed to bring guns on campus.

That is because a 1989 Oregon law forbids any public body except the Legislature from restricting the rights of concealed weapons permit-holders to bring guns where they wish."

Umpqua Community College not a gun-free zone: Oregon laws prevent that | OregonLive.com

I am surprised that a gun advocate with ties to Oregon like you still does not know about this 1989 law even when you were explicitly told about it earlier.

Look man, I'm very familiar with these laws. I don't give a rats ass what the "law" says when the administration of the campus leads people to believe they are not allowed to possess guns on campus.

Oregon law also allows me to carry in a bar. However, if the bar won't let me in with my gun then that bar is gun free. Why is this difficult for you to understand?

If the school did not have this retarded policy and no gun signs posted then more people would carry there. The fact that the school policy says no squirt guns then adds "except as expressly authorized by law" is pretty fucking indicative that they are anti-gun idiots.

AaronM · 10-03-2015, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls

Perhaps those security guards made their own decision not to carry. Just because they have the legal right to carry on campus does not require them to carry. I do dot think the law required anyone to carry/

The whole point is that gun advocates routinely argue that if guns were allowed in certain areas. then potential mass murders would avoid those areas for fear of being shot at. But this Oregon shooting contradicts that argument.

1: The school policy kept the security unarmed.

2: When the people carrying are nowhere near the action, how the fuck does your point stand up? It doesn't.

I happened to be in Oregon when this went down....AND I had a gun on me. Why didn't I even try to stop this shit from happening? Oh yeah, because I wasn't in the room with the gunman...and neither were any of the others who were armed and on campus. BUT, had the campus had a less Nazi like policy, others who could have made a difference may have done so.

TCLGirls · 10-03-2015, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

Look man, I'm very familiar with these laws. I don't give a rats ass what the "law" says when the administration of the campus leads people to believe they are not allowed to possess guns on campus.

Oregon law also allows me to carry in a bar. However, if the bar won't let me in with my gun then that bar is gun free. Why is this difficult for you to understand?

Now you are comparing a public college to a private business. There was a Navy Vet who explicitly admitted he was carrying that day...and said other people were as well. Obviously they knew about their right to carry on campus.

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Originally Posted by AaronM

If the school did not have this retarded policy and no gun signs posted then more people would carry there. The fact that the school policy says no squirt guns then adds "except as expressly authorized by law" is pretty fucking indicative that they are anti-gun idiots.

First you claimed the Oregon college was a gun free zone. Now you are merely saying the administration is "anti-gun". Well hello, they have a legal right to be anti-gun...we don;t need thought police to determine thoughts you deem correct or incorrect.

L-Pink · 10-03-2015, 08:44 PM

Holy shit, after trying to follow the plum colored logic train I feel like addiing to the suicide by handgun stats ...

GOODNIGHT!

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TCLGirls · 10-03-2015, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

1: The school policy kept the security unarmed.

2: When the people carrying are nowhere near the action, how the fuck does your point stand up? It doesn't.

Because the shooter has no way of determining which students were carrying, and where any of those ccp holders would be on campus at any particular time.

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Originally Posted by AaronM

I happened to be in Oregon when this went down....AND I had a gun on me. Why didn't I even try to stop this shit from happening? Oh yeah, because I wasn't in the room with the gunman...and neither were any of the others who were armed and on campus. BUT, had the campus had a less Nazi like policy, others who could have made a difference may have done so.

All that is irrelevant, because like I said above, the shooter does not know who is carrying on campus. I am not arguing that any ccp holder should have stopped the shooter. I am questioning the rationale, often put forth by gun advocates, that shooters will avoid areas where guns are allowed for fear of being shot at.

JJ Gold · 10-03-2015, 09:45 PM

Threads like this are great because it lets me know who has their head screwed on straight. Some of you are brainwashed simps and some of you think rationally.

Congrats to the winners!

Rob · 10-03-2015, 10:48 PM

Don't think small, think big. If there wasn't a no gun policy on the campus, and anyone, including teachers could have been armed, would the shooting still have occurred? More times than not, having a firearm is a deterrent, rather than a solution.

I've already said it and I'll say it again. These people are cowards. If there is any indication that they will get dropped before bagging a single body, their motivation is minimized. The more bodies, the more validation they receive from the media. No bodies, they're just a failed gunman, page 6 for a day, and then everyone forgets.

By removing all reward, and maximizing risk, you stop the shooting before it even occurs.

AaronM · 10-03-2015, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls

Now you are comparing a public college to a private business. There was a Navy Vet who explicitly admitted he was carrying that day...and said other people were as well. Obviously they knew about their right to carry on campus.

First you claimed the Oregon college was a gun free zone. Now you are merely saying the administration is "anti-gun". Well hello, they have a legal right to be anti-gun...we don;t need thought police to determine thoughts you deem correct or incorrect.

As far as I am concerned, the Second Amendment gives them the right to carry anywhere in the country. In my life, there is no "gun free zone" other than Federally regulated buildings with metal detectors and the only reason I don't try to carry there is because I'd rather not experience the legal battle of doing so.

When I say "Gun Free Zone" I....ME....My thoughts....Are ANY place where somebody has said or implied that guns are not allowed. The way the administration runs that campus makes it a gun free zone. Obviously MY definition of that differs from yours and the law. I should have clarified that. However, that doesn't change my viewpoint on this. The administration of that campus decided that they do not want guns there and they pushed that agenda on their students thereby keeping a large number of them from exercising their right to carry.

And YES we do need thought police. Obviously you are a sheep, I am not. That campus has policies and signs in place that go against the U.S. Constitution. Those policies are partially responsible for what happened.

You're anti-gun. That makes you anti-American and a fucking traitor in my eyes....Just like Rochard and many politicians who do not care about the oaths they have taken to uphold our Constitution. If you don't like people having the right to "keep and bear arms" then GTFO of this country as that is one of the founding principles that helped develop this nation and the glue that holds it together and defends it today.

AaronM · 10-03-2015, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls

All that is irrelevant, because like I said above, the shooter does not know who is carrying on campus. I am not arguing that any ccp holder should have stopped the shooter. I am questioning the rationale, often put forth by gun advocates, that shooters will avoid areas where guns are allowed for fear of being shot at.

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Originally Posted by Rob

Don't think small, think big. If there wasn't a no gun policy on the campus, and anyone, including teachers could have been armed, would the shooting still have occurred? More times than not, having a firearm is a deterrent, rather than a solution.

I've already said it and I'll say it again. These people are cowards. If there is any indication that they will get dropped before bagging a single body, their motivation is minimized. The more bodies, the more validation they receive from the media. No bodies, they're just a failed gunman, page 6 for a day, and then everyone forgets.

By removing all reward, and maximizing risk, you stop the shooting before it even occurs.

Nuff said.

CDSmith · 10-04-2015, 08:34 AM

For some people a horrific event like this is time after time a platform to be used to focus on the question "How do we take away everyones' right to bear arms" when for me the bigger question should be how do these idiots keep obtaining legal weapons?. Facts are facts, and they don't lie--criminal histories and documented mental health problems did not prevent at least eight of the gunmen in 14 recent U.S. mass shootings from obtaining their weapons. Why?

Add to that the father of Christopher Harper-Mercer, who killed nine people, said the massacre would not have happened if his son had not been allowed to buy more than a dozen guns.

Also, earlier in this thread someone said having armed guards on campus could have made a difference. Someone else then chimed in ridiculing the notion of having low paid "rent-a-cops" bumbling around carrying weapons. I say what if oh, I don't know, maybe a security team at a university should be highly trained, better paid, and rigorously trained in weapon handling and crisis management, all of which if it had been in place very much could be a deterrent or at the very least serve to take down an armed psycho.

If it saves even one life it's worth it. As would new laws that force arms merchants to identify and DENY gun sales to guys like this.

L-Pink · 10-04-2015, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

For some people a horrific event like this is time after time a platform to be used to focus on the question "How do we take away everyones' right to bear arms" when for me the bigger question should be how do these idiots keep obtaining legal weapons?. Facts are facts, and they don't lie--criminal histories and documented mental health problems did not prevent at least eight of the gunmen in 14 recent U.S. mass shootings from obtaining their weapons. Why?

Add to that the father of Christopher Harper-Mercer, who killed nine people, said the massacre would not have happened if his son had not been allowed to buy more than a dozen guns.

Also, earlier in this thread someone said having armed guards on campus could have made a difference. Someone else then chimed in ridiculing the notion of haaving low paid "rent-a-cops" bumbling around carrying weapons. I say what if oh, I don't know, maybe a security team at a university should be highly trained, better paid, and rigorously trained in weapon handling and crisis management, all of which if it had been in place very much could be a deterrent or at the very least serve to take down an armed psycho.

If it saves even one life it's worth it.

A private gun range denied the shooter combat course instructions based on their observed mental behavior. So pro's in the gun community did see a problem.

Where the situation gets sticky is having the government involved in mental assessment of it's citizens. But then you are overlooking the very easy illegal street market for guns. The same market that every felon uses for their guns.

BlackCrayon · 10-04-2015, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

So they get their names splashed on the TV for forty-eight hours and are then forgotten, and they either lost their lives in the process or their asshole will be traded for a pack of smokes in prison for the rest of their lives.

yep, only a mentally afflicted retard would think its a good thing. the world will know your name for 15 minutes and the world will also think you're an asshole except for the worlds biggest losers on 4chan..oh and you're most likely dead. yeah sounds great. what a dumbfuck.

BlackCrayon · 10-04-2015, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by jerkules

Once again I will repeat myself. THE ONLY THING THAT WILL STOP A BAD GUY WITH A GUN IS A GOOD GUY WITH A GUN. You will never be able to prevent gun violence. If a person wants to harm you with a gun I am sure he will get one. IF GUNS ARE OUTLAWED THEN ONLY OUTLAWS WILL HAVE GUNS. Why because they don't care about your liberal constitution banning of guns or any other law that they want to break that is why they are called OUTLAWS.

i'd say in general with these school shootings, that is not the case. the guns are almost always legally owned by the parents or purchased by themselves. its not criminals doing these mass shootings.

Rob · 10-04-2015, 08:56 AM

It's easy for people outside the U.S. to simply say, "Enact stricter gun control and this will all stop", but these are the same people who don't know how the American population works. We're a very pragmatic bunch, we actually invented pragmatism as a philosophy. And if you think outlawing guns will stop us, you're dead wrong.

There are gun shows at least once a month where I live, and on any given weekend within driving range of my house. I can walk away from a gun show with an AK-47, 20 Tapco 30 round magazines, and 1,000 rounds of 7.62x39...all without giving a single person my name or showing my ID. Green is the only color these vendors see, and if you shut down the gun shows, they're just going to take their wares underground.

As L-Pink keeps stating, outlawing guns will do nothing more than to ensure only outlaws have them. At least a law abiding armed public has a fighting chance right now. If not, it will be like Demolition Man when Wesley Snipes was the only one armed. We're screwed.

BlackCrayon · 10-04-2015, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

You're anti-gun. That makes you anti-American and a fucking traitor in my eyes....Just like Rochard and many politicians who do not care about the oaths they have taken to uphold our Constitution. If you don't like people having the right to "keep and bear arms" then GTFO of this country as that is one of the founding principles that helped develop this nation and the glue that holds it together and defends it today.

come on. people are getting sick of standing by while crazy fucks are mowing down people on a weekly basis. can you not understand that frustration?

if being anti gun makes someone anti american then calling someone anti american for having a different opinion than yours and others i think is pretty anti american itself.

Rob · 10-04-2015, 09:01 AM

P.S. If you want, you can go online right now and buy 100,000 rounds of ammo and all the gun accessories you desire. All delivered to your front door. The only thing they won't sell you is the gun. I used to buy ammo online and would have a box of 1,000 rounds sitting on my front porch when I got home. And I could easily have used a fake name to make my purchases.

Yeah, we can stop bad guys from getting guns and ammo. That's a pipe dream if I've ever heard one.

DBS.US · 10-04-2015, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob

P.S. If you want, you can go online right now and buy 100,000 rounds of ammo and all the gun accessories you desire. All delivered to your front door. The only thing they won't sell you is the gun. I used to buy ammo online and would have a box of 1,000 rounds sitting on my front porch when I got home. And I could easily have used a fake name to make my purchases.

Yeah, we can stop bad guys from getting guns and ammo. That's a pipe dream if I've ever heard one.

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L-Pink · 10-04-2015, 09:50 AM

Guns purchased from a legal firearms dealer have to be sent to an authorized firearms dealer near you, not a private address. Any gun shipped interstate must go thru licensed firearm dealers. Federal law no one in their right mind breaks.

Rob · 10-04-2015, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DBS.US

Guns for Sale - Online Gun Auction - Buy Guns at GunBroker.com

You can pay for the gun online but it is then shipped to a local licensed gun dealer. They're the ones responsible for running the checks. They will not release the weapon to you until you are cleared. They won't ship directly to your front door if you're not licensed.

L-Pink · 10-04-2015, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob

You can pay for the gun online but it is then shipped to a local licensed gun dealer. They're the ones responsible for running the checks. They will not release the weapon to you until you are cleared. They won't ship directly to your front door if you're not licensed.

Yea, I left that important part out. Buying online doesn't mean you bypass the background check.

CDSmith · 10-04-2015, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

A private gun range denied the shooter combat course instructions based on their observed mental behavior. So pro's in the gun community did see a problem.

Just not the ones who actually sell the guns. Which is really the most important part of the equation, and it's not living up to what one would assume most people's wishes are, that being that those with criminal histories and unstable psych records not be allowed to make gun purchases.

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Where the situation gets sticky is having the government involved in mental assessment of it's citizens. But then you are overlooking the very easy illegal street market for guns. The same market that every felon uses for their guns.

I wasn't so much overlooking it as leaving it for another part of the discussion. No doubt some of these whacko's would seek out the illegal market, but there are of course more things that law enforcement in basically all countries but especially in the U.S. could be doing to crack down harder on that street market.

Personally speaking I can't wait for the day that every firearm sold to private citizens comes equipped with an uncircumventable and 100% reliable palm grip ID reader, rendering it unuseable if stolen but also fully traceable as well as digitally registered. And even then such a technology wouldn't solve every issue in this massive tentacled mess know as "the gun issue". But I'd wager it would help.

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DBS.US · 10-05-2015, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Guns purchased from a legal firearms dealer have to be sent to an authorized firearms dealer near you, not a private address. Any gun shipped interstate must go thru licensed firearm dealers. Federal law no one in their right mind breaks.

Q: What makes someone a authorized licensed firearm dealer on GunBroker.com?
A: Email a scanned federal firearms license (FFL)

Q: What make you a licensed firearms dealer to a GunBroker.com seller?
A: Email a photoshopped scanned federal firearms license (FFL)

Rob · 10-05-2015, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DBS.US

Q: What makes someone a authorized licensed firearm dealer on GunBroker.com?
A: Email a scanned federal firearms license (FFL)

Q: What make you a licensed firearms dealer to a GunBroker.com seller?
A: Email a photoshopped scanned federal firearms license (FFL)

https://www.atfonline.gov/fflezcheck/

I'm pretty sure Gunbroker.com has that site bookmarked.

DBS.US · 10-05-2015, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob

https://www.atfonline.gov/fflezcheck/

I'm pretty sure Gunbroker.com has that site bookmarked.

I think, that site tell only tells you if the FFL number is good, but doesn't match a number to an address.

The bad guys use a good licensed number and only photoshop in the bad guys address.

Mr Pheer · 10-05-2015, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

The only thing to prevent a bad guy with a gun is not let him have the gun in the first place.

Good luck with that shit.

TCLGirls · 10-06-2015, 01:55 AM

Criminal: Hey I want to buy that H&K MP5 right there. Here's my money.

Nevada gun show seller: Well sir, Federal law requires me to ask you if you are a felon or a person who otherwise cannot legally own guns...because if you are such a person then I cannot legally sell this gun to you. Now please answer truthfully (wink wink).

Criminal: oh no sir, I am not an ex-convict and it is totally legal for me to own guns...really that's the honest truth, scout's honor!

Nevada gun show seller: SOLD!!

The seller made a 100% legal sale right there...no ID required.

Mr Pheer · 10-06-2015, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls

The seller made a 100% legal sale right there...no ID required.

1. That's not how it works to buy an MP5, gun show or not.

2. You're an idiot.

pimpmaster9000 · 10-06-2015, 02:22 AM

its very amusing to watch americans talk about guns and how they should have them

one day you guys will rise to 3rd world standards and learn to be responsible adults LOL

Mr Pheer · 10-06-2015, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

its very amusing to watch americans talk about guns and how they should have them

one day you guys will rise to 3rd world standards and learn to be responsible adults LOL

Shouldnt you be digging a mass grave or something?

TCLGirls · 10-06-2015, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

1. That's not how it works to buy an MP5, gun show or not.

2. You're an idiot.

So what part of the above hypo is inconsistent with Nevada gun show sales?

JJ Gold · 10-06-2015, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

Shouldnt you be digging a mass grave or something?

Post of the day!!!

Mr Pheer · 10-06-2015, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls

So what part of the above hypo is inconsistent with Nevada gun show sales?

The part about buying an MP5.

Do your homework on what it takes to buy a Class 3 weapon, I'm not spoon feeding you.

TCLGirls · 10-06-2015, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

The part about buying an MP5.

Do your homework on what it takes to buy a Class 3 weapon, I'm not spoon feeding you.

You're the one that asserted my hypo does not work in Nevada. Now you are asking me to prove your own assertion.

TCLGirls · 10-06-2015, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

The part about buying an MP5.

Do your homework on what it takes to buy a Class 3 weapon, I'm not spoon feeding you.

"May I lawfully transfer a firearm to a resident of the same State in which I reside?

Any person may sell a firearm to an unlicensed resident of the State where he resides as long as he does not know or have reasonable cause to believe the person is prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms under Federal law. "

https://www.atf.gov/file/61721/download

I do not see anything there about an MP5 exemption.

Mr Pheer · 10-06-2015, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls

"May I lawfully transfer a firearm to a resident of the same State in which I reside?

Any person may sell a firearm to an unlicensed resident of the State where he resides as long as he does not know or have reasonable cause to believe the person is prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms under Federal law. "

https://www.atf.gov/file/61721/download

I do not see anything there about an MP5 exemption.

So you just confirmed that you post things that you know little or nothing about.

Hint: An MP5 is a Class 3 weapon and does not fall under the situation that you described. Now research the "why" yourself.

Rochard · 10-06-2015, 04:09 PM

Let's just arm all of the college kids and let them sort it out.

TCLGirls · 10-06-2015, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

So you just confirmed that you post things that you know little or nothing about.

Hint: An MP5 is a Class 3 weapon and does not fall under the situation that you described. Now research the "why" yourself.

You keep making claims, without any citations to back up your claims.

Here is the Nevada law regarding private firearms sales:

NRS 202.362 Sale or disposal of firearm or ammunition to certain persons prohibited; penalty; exceptions.

1. Except as otherwise provided in subsection 3, a person within this State shall not sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to another person if he or she has actual knowledge that the other person:

(a) Is under indictment for, or has been convicted of, a felony in this or any other state, or in any political subdivision thereof, or of a felony in violation of the laws of the United States of America, unless the other person has received a pardon and the pardon does not restrict his or her right to bear arms;

(b) Is a fugitive from justice;

(c) Has been adjudicated as mentally ill or has been committed to any mental health facility; or

(d) Is illegally or unlawfully in the United States.

NRS: CHAPTER 202 - CRIMES AGAINST PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY

There is nothing in that law making an MP5 or class 3 exemption. No ID required for these private sales...no background check for these private sales...class 3 or otherwise. The only thing legally preventing these private sales is if the seller has ACTUAL KNOWLEDGE. Well guess what, if the seller is determined to make a sale, it is in his best financial interest to avoid gaining that actual knowledge.

crockett · 10-06-2015, 05:12 PM

All you what if gun nutters are ridiculous in your logic.. what if this guy was carrying a gun or that guy.. your logic is stupid because you just assume people would be carrying guns..

Added to this, there is likely 100 gun related deaths each day in this country, there are tens of thousands of cowboys who carry guns on them.. How often do you hear of these cowboys saving the day? Pretty much never...

If you want to play "what if" well what if we had free health care in this country where people could be treated for their mental illness before they get to the point they pick up a gun..

Mr Pheer · 10-06-2015, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls

You keep making claims, without any citations to back up your claims.

Here is the Nevada law regarding private firearms sales:

NRS 202.362 Sale or disposal of firearm or ammunition to certain persons prohibited; penalty; exceptions.

1. Except as otherwise provided in subsection 3, a person within this State shall not sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to another person if he or she has actual knowledge that the other person:

(a) Is under indictment for, or has been convicted of, a felony in this or any other state, or in any political subdivision thereof, or of a felony in violation of the laws of the United States of America, unless the other person has received a pardon and the pardon does not restrict his or her right to bear arms;

(b) Is a fugitive from justice;

(c) Has been adjudicated as mentally ill or has been committed to any mental health facility; or

(d) Is illegally or unlawfully in the United States.

NRS: CHAPTER 202 - CRIMES AGAINST PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY

There is nothing in that law making an MP5 or class 3 exemption. No ID required for these private sales...no background check for these private sales...class 3 or otherwise. The only thing legally preventing these private sales is if the seller has ACTUAL KNOWLEDGE. Well guess what, if the seller is determined to make a sale, it is in his best financial interest to avoid gaining that actual knowledge.

You're obviously smart enough to type shit into google and cut and paste it here. Research Class 3 transfers, which is Federal.

Better yet, just get a fucking MP5 (if you could even afford it) and go try to sell it to some guy at a gun show so we wont have to see you for 20 years. Just tell the federal judge that what you did was legal.

Not going to argue anymore with an idiot. Look the shit up.

TCLGirls · 10-06-2015, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

You're obviously smart enough to type shit into google and cut and paste it here. Research Class 3 transfers, which is Federal.

Better yet, just get a fucking MP5 (if you could even afford it) and go try to sell it to some guy at a gun show so we wont have to see you for 20 years. Just tell the federal judge that what you did was legal.

Not going to argue anymore with an idiot. Look the shit up.

I already cited the federal law governing private firearm transfers...class 3 or otherwise.

I am not aware of any Federal law that further restricts class 3 weapons transfers between private parties. Since you seem to be aware of such a law, please cite it, thank you.

TCLGirls · 10-06-2015, 05:55 PM

"PRIVATE PARTY TRANSFERS

By Federal law, when Person A wants to sell a gun to Person B, there is almost nothing that has to be done. By law, Person A must not be under the suspicion that Person B is not legally allowed to own guns. So long as Person A has no reason to believe that Person B is not allowed to own guns, and they are of proper age, then the sale commences. That is 100% legal under Federal law. Some states, such as California, require background checks for private party transfers. Even though it is legal to sell your buddy a gun at his house by Federal law, it is illegal under California state law to do so -unless both the buyer and seller show up to a gun shop or other FFL and do the background check, paperwork, and waiting period."

https://americanrifleman.wordpress.c...nd-other-laws/

So in Nevada (and a bunch of other States), the hypo I posted above works.

Mr Pheer · 10-06-2015, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls

"PRIVATE PARTY TRANSFERS

By Federal law, when Person A wants to sell a gun to Person B, there is almost nothing that has to be done. By law, Person A must not be under the suspicion that Person B is not legally allowed to own guns. So long as Person A has no reason to believe that Person B is not allowed to own guns, and they are of proper age, then the sale commences. That is 100% legal under Federal law. Some states, such as California, require background checks for private party transfers. Even though it is legal to sell your buddy a gun at his house by Federal law, it is illegal under California state law to do so -unless both the buyer and seller show up to a gun shop or other FFL and do the background check, paperwork, and waiting period."

https://americanrifleman.wordpress.c...nd-other-laws/

So in Nevada (and a bunch of other States), the hypo I posted above works.

An MP5 is a machine gun, and no, your situation does not cover that.

TCLGirls · 10-06-2015, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

An MP5 is a machine gun, and no, your situation does not cover that.

So an MP5 is not a gun...it's a machine gun. That's your argument? That's like saying a Chevy 4x4 is not a truck...it's a four wheel drive truck. LOL

Anyhow:

"I am not aware of any Federal law that further restricts class 3 weapons transfers between private parties. Since you seem to be aware of such a law, please cite it, thank you. "

DBS.US · 10-06-2015, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls

So an MP5 is not a gun...it's a machine gun. That's your argument? That's like saying a Chevy 4x4 is not a truck...it's a four wheel drive truck. LOL

Anyhow:

"I am not aware of any Federal law that further restricts class 3 weapons transfers between private parties. Since you seem to be aware of such a law, please cite it, thank you. "

YOU SHOULD STOP NOW, YOU KILLING ME

Rob · 10-06-2015, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls

So an MP5 is not a gun...it's a machine gun. That's your argument? That's like saying a Chevy 4x4 is not a truck...it's a four wheel drive truck. LOL

Anyhow:

"I am not aware of any Federal law that further restricts class 3 weapons transfers between private parties. Since you seem to be aware of such a law, please cite it, thank you. "

Jesus Herbert Christ. It's illegal to transfer a fully automatic weapon, aka, a machine gun. You can do straw purchases (private party transfers) all day long for semi-automatics like AR-15, AK-47, shotguns, hunting rifles, etc. You need a special stamp and permit to even own a fully automatic weapon. And if you're caught with one, the penalty is pretty stiff.

An MP5 is a fully automatic weapon therefore it doesn't fall under any guidelines for private transfer regulations. Simply stated, you cannot legally transfer it without the other person going through the proper channels through the ATF. And from what I understand, you can't even have a low level misdemeanor on your record to be approved.

Hopefully that clears it up and the back and forth can stop.

candyflip · 10-06-2015, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls

So an MP5 is not a gun...it's a machine gun. That's your argument? That's like saying a Chevy 4x4 is not a truck...it's a four wheel drive truck. LOL

Anyhow:

"I am not aware of any Federal law that further restricts class 3 weapons transfers between private parties. Since you seem to be aware of such a law, please cite it, thank you. "

Jesus Christ. Do you just like to see your words typed out in pink in front of you.

What a fucking moron. Seriously. Just give up. Like now.

TCLGirls · 10-06-2015, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob

Jesus Herbert Christ. It's illegal to transfer a fully automatic weapon, aka, a machine gun. You can do straw purchases (private party transfers) all day long for semi-automatics like AR-15, AK-47, shotguns, hunting rifles, etc. You need a special stamp and permit to even own a fully automatic weapon. And if you're caught with one, the penalty is pretty stiff.

An MP5 is a fully automatic weapon therefore it doesn't fall under any guidelines for private transfer regulations. Simply stated, you cannot legally transfer it without the other person going through the proper channels through the ATF. And from what I understand, you can't even have a low level misdemeanor on your record to be approved.

Hopefully that clears it up and the back and forth can stop.

The HK MP5 can be purchased in semi-auto config.

Rob · 10-06-2015, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls

The HK MP5 can be purchased in semi-auto config.

No it can't. You can buy clones like the HK94, but not an actual HK MP5. If I recall correctly, the only two position MP5 (safe and semi) was developed and sold specifically to Navy special forces back in the 80's or maybe 90's.

10-04-2015, 08:34 AM	#210
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	For some people a horrific event like this is time after time a platform to be used to focus on the question "How do we take away everyones' right to bear arms" when for me the bigger question should be how do these idiots keep obtaining legal weapons?. Facts are facts, and they don't lie--criminal histories and documented mental health problems did not prevent at least eight of the gunmen in 14 recent U.S. mass shootings from obtaining their weapons. Why? Add to that the father of Christopher Harper-Mercer, who killed nine people, said the massacre would not have happened if his son had not been allowed to buy more than a dozen guns. Also, earlier in this thread someone said having armed guards on campus could have made a difference. Someone else then chimed in ridiculing the notion of having low paid "rent-a-cops" bumbling around carrying weapons. I say what if oh, I don't know, maybe a security team at a university should be highly trained, better paid, and rigorously trained in weapon handling and crisis management, all of which if it had been in place very much could be a deterrent or at the very least serve to take down an armed psycho. If it saves even one life it's worth it. As would new laws that force arms merchants to identify and DENY gun sales to guys like this. __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634

10-05-2015, 08:21 AM	#222
PorN-LinK So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 252	New Pics

10-06-2015, 02:22 AM	#230
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10-06-2015, 04:09 PM	#238
Rochard Jägermeister Test Pilot Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NORCAL Posts: 73,718	Let's just arm all of the college kids and let them sort it out. __________________ “The choice is no longer between right or left. The choice is between normal and crazy.” - Sarah Huckabee Sanders YNOT MAIL \| THE BEST ADULT MAILING SOLUTION

10-06-2015, 05:12 PM	#240
crockett in a van by the river Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 76,806	All you what if gun nutters are ridiculous in your logic.. what if this guy was carrying a gun or that guy.. your logic is stupid because you just assume people would be carrying guns.. Added to this, there is likely 100 gun related deaths each day in this country, there are tens of thousands of cowboys who carry guns on them.. How often do you hear of these cowboys saving the day? Pretty much never... If you want to play "what if" well what if we had free health care in this country where people could be treated for their mental illness before they get to the point they pick up a gun.. __________________ In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

10-03-2015, 08:44 PM	#204
L-Pink working on my tan Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Florida/Kentucky Posts: 39,151	Holy shit, after trying to follow the plum colored logic train I feel like addiing to the suicide by handgun stats ... GOODNIGHT! .

10-03-2015, 09:45 PM	#206
JJ Gold Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,969	Threads like this are great because it lets me know who has their head screwed on straight. Some of you are brainwashed simps and some of you think rationally. Congrats to the winners!

10-03-2015, 10:48 PM	#207
Rob I'm a great bowler. Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Right Outside of Normal. Posts: 13,309	Don't think small, think big. If there wasn't a no gun policy on the campus, and anyone, including teachers could have been armed, would the shooting still have occurred? More times than not, having a firearm is a deterrent, rather than a solution. I've already said it and I'll say it again. These people are cowards. If there is any indication that they will get dropped before bagging a single body, their motivation is minimized. The more bodies, the more validation they receive from the media. No bodies, they're just a failed gunman, page 6 for a day, and then everyone forgets. By removing all reward, and maximizing risk, you stop the shooting before it even occurs.

10-04-2015, 08:56 AM	#214
Rob I'm a great bowler. Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Right Outside of Normal. Posts: 13,309	It's easy for people outside the U.S. to simply say, "Enact stricter gun control and this will all stop", but these are the same people who don't know how the American population works. We're a very pragmatic bunch, we actually invented pragmatism as a philosophy. And if you think outlawing guns will stop us, you're dead wrong. There are gun shows at least once a month where I live, and on any given weekend within driving range of my house. I can walk away from a gun show with an AK-47, 20 Tapco 30 round magazines, and 1,000 rounds of 7.62x39...all without giving a single person my name or showing my ID. Green is the only color these vendors see, and if you shut down the gun shows, they're just going to take their wares underground. As L-Pink keeps stating, outlawing guns will do nothing more than to ensure only outlaws have them. At least a law abiding armed public has a fighting chance right now. If not, it will be like Demolition Man when Wesley Snipes was the only one armed. We're screwed.

10-04-2015, 09:01 AM	#216
Rob I'm a great bowler. Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Right Outside of Normal. Posts: 13,309	P.S. If you want, you can go online right now and buy 100,000 rounds of ammo and all the gun accessories you desire. All delivered to your front door. The only thing they won't sell you is the gun. I used to buy ammo online and would have a box of 1,000 rounds sitting on my front porch when I got home. And I could easily have used a fake name to make my purchases. Yeah, we can stop bad guys from getting guns and ammo. That's a pipe dream if I've ever heard one.

10-04-2015, 09:50 AM	#218
L-Pink working on my tan Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Florida/Kentucky Posts: 39,151	Guns purchased from a legal firearms dealer have to be sent to an authorized firearms dealer near you, not a private address. Any gun shipped interstate must go thru licensed firearm dealers. Federal law no one in their right mind breaks.

10-05-2015, 08:05 PM	#223
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10-06-2015, 01:55 AM	#228
TCLGirls Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: California Posts: 3,068	Criminal: Hey I want to buy that H&K MP5 right there. Here's my money. Nevada gun show seller: Well sir, Federal law requires me to ask you if you are a felon or a person who otherwise cannot legally own guns...because if you are such a person then I cannot legally sell this gun to you. Now please answer truthfully (wink wink). Criminal: oh no sir, I am not an ex-convict and it is totally legal for me to own guns...really that's the honest truth, scout's honor! Nevada gun show seller: SOLD!! The seller made a 100% legal sale right there...no ID required.

10-06-2015, 05:55 PM	#243
TCLGirls Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: California Posts: 3,068	"PRIVATE PARTY TRANSFERS By Federal law, when Person A wants to sell a gun to Person B, there is almost nothing that has to be done. By law, Person A must not be under the suspicion that Person B is not legally allowed to own guns. So long as Person A has no reason to believe that Person B is not allowed to own guns, and they are of proper age, then the sale commences. That is 100% legal under Federal law. Some states, such as California, require background checks for private party transfers. Even though it is legal to sell your buddy a gun at his house by Federal law, it is illegal under California state law to do so -unless both the buyer and seller show up to a gun shop or other FFL and do the background check, paperwork, and waiting period." https://americanrifleman.wordpress.c...nd-other-laws/ So in Nevada (and a bunch of other States), the hypo I posted above works.