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Old 02-09-2015, 11:55 AM   #1
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What's the best battle tank ?

There is no online comparators for them...

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Old 02-09-2015, 12:23 PM   #2
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Why would you need a chart to know the M1A2-Abrams is the best?

Germany and South Korea would probably be in the running also.
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Old 02-09-2015, 12:35 PM   #3
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There is no online comparators for them...

I don't think that there is such solid answer for that. There are things like the battlefield environment, opponent, armament, protection, supply situation, service situation, need for service, etc. Most of those aren't constant.

There might be some ultimate tank in terms armament, protection and speed, but then there is one nut on the road that gets into the engine and kaput. Or needs so fucking much service that it is more time at workshop than on battlefield.
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Old 02-09-2015, 12:50 PM   #5
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Old 02-09-2015, 02:08 PM   #7
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T84 or T90 ?
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Old 02-09-2015, 02:14 PM   #8
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T84 vs M1A1

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I do battle with this kinda tank daily...
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For my heart: German Leopard II (A5) simply because it looks really cool. Russian T90 because it looks like a "proper" old-school cool MBT. And of course the PL-01 MBT from Poland because it looks like something Batman would use.

For my head: Best ever (modern/GEN3) MBT is without a doubt the British Challenger 2 (FV4034) simply because the only thing that has ever killed one in battle is another Challenger 2. It's gun and armor and all-round battlefield capabilities place it far and away above the American M1A2 Abrams. In one verified battlefield incident a British Challenger 2 was hit by multiple grenades, 14 (fourteen!) RPG hits and even took a MILAN anti-tank missile in it's stride. The crew remained safe inside, the Tank was recovered, repaired and back in operation 6hrs later. In another MOD reported incident a Challenger 2 near Basra was hit by a total of 70 (seventy! good googly moogly..) RPG and lived to fight another day. The British Challenger 2 is basically a Titan, at this moment in time nothing comes even close.
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In one verified battlefield incident a British Challenger 2 was hit by multiple grenades, 14 (fourteen!) RPG hits and even took a MILAN anti-tank missile in it's stride. The crew remained safe inside, the Tank was recovered, repaired and back in operation 6hrs later.
wow nice!
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The one with the best crew.
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And of course the PL-01 MBT from Poland because it looks like something Batman would use.
yeah it looks cool, but i wonder if it's so efficient
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The one with the best crew.
This.. I think with modern ammo that any modern tank hitting another modern tank, the tank being hit would lose. It's not really a case of WW2 where a good tank crew could deflect another tanks rounds by the position of the tank. Today the armor is good only against other forms of lessor weapons, but not good aginst other modern tanks.
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so what qualities matter for a tank crew ?

(i'm not totally agree with this theory, of course the crew matters, but if your fire rate and if the time that you need to target efficiently an ennemy is lower, it's just easier to win a battle)
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This.. I think with modern ammo that any modern tank hitting another modern tank, the tank being hit would lose. It's not really a case of WW2 where a good tank crew could deflect another tanks rounds by the position of the tank. Today the armor is good only against other forms of lessor weapons, but not good aginst other modern tanks.
Well, the protection has evolved too: better static protection, better active protection (counter blast) and better.. well, another active protection; a gun that shoots incoming tank rounds, "rpg" rounds and anti-tank missiles.

I don't even know how you deal with that latter active protection, besidess with anti-tank mines, shooting the active protection into pieces with smaller calibers, or shooting it with such big gun that counter shooting does nada. And of course shooting with multiple "rounds" like with cluster bomb, but for tanks. With regular cluster bombs you might also destroy the active protection and then followed by some other measure to destroy the tank itself. Well, I guess I know few ways, but battle tested ways is another issue.
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yeah it looks cool, but i wonder if it's so efficient
It reminded me of a stealth version of an Israeli Merkava (IV) when I first seen a pic of it. But the whole Tank is still just a concept so we'd really need a production model to see if everything is legit. They do say it will carry 45 rounds (mixed) and... that doesn't seem enough. I'd of thought 60+ (it's auto-loader/fire control system has a fire rate of 6 rounds a minute so they'd be out of ammo pretty fast in a battle)but with it being so compact I can understand them not wanting to squeeze more in.
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There certainly is a best overall tank.pretty sure M1A2 is it.
check out the dude under the turret,What a job that is. Imagin the sound when it fires.
Is that blood above the front right track?
http://media.defenceindustrydaily.co..._Barrel_lg.jpg
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There certainly is a best overall tank.pretty sure M1A2 is it.
check out the dude under the turret,What a job that is. Imagin the sound when it fires.
Is that blood above the front right track?
http://media.defenceindustrydaily.co..._Barrel_lg.jpg
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i just realized that the USA has 6,343 MBT...
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There certainly is a best overall tank.pretty sure M1A2 is it.
check out the dude under the turret,What a job that is. Imagin the sound when it fires.
Is that blood above the front right track?
http://media.defenceindustrydaily.co..._Barrel_lg.jpg
The sound isn't problem in that position any more than it is for the top guy. The serious bang happens at the end of the barrel when there is sonic boom.
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The one with the best crew.
Excuse you. This is GFY, where we are all hardened war veterans + navy seals + green barets.

Say something like that again and see what happens
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Excuse you. This is GFY, where we are all hardened war veterans + navy seals + green barets.

Say something like that again and see what happens
and don't forget spetznaz !
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and don't forget spetznaz !
Despite being so Nazi fobic, the spetsnaz sounds awful lot of like Nazi.
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Despite being so Nazi fobic, the spetsnaz sounds awful lot of like Nazi.
you mean SS ?
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you mean SS ?
Well, that too.

But while we are at it, the OMOH troops is the real pearl.

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OMOH ? sounds gay
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OMOH ? sounds gay
See the cartoon that I just added.
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See the cartoon that I just added.
oh i see: OMON

now it sounds more like the geheimstats polizei or the staatssicherheit
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since it's written in russian i guess you are talking about the russian prototype and not the chinese tank



;)

also it looks more like a motorized howitzer
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since it's written in russian i guess you are talking about the russian prototype and not the chinese tank



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yes. looks like a mighty fine killing machine!
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also it looks more like a motorized howitzer
googling a bit, it's the armata universal combat platform. of which, will come Russian main battle tank, t-14. not sure if that image is of the t-14 though.
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yes i googled, i googled
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France and Germany have decided to work on "Leopard 3" tank as an answer to Russian T-14 "Armata"

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According to Die Welt, German intelligence consider that on the streets of Moscow there prototypes of Armata, which needs a few years of further development based on the results of testing in the army. After that Russia will get 2000 units of the highest level tanks.
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More about it: Germany, France to Develop New Battle Tank to Catch Up With Russia?s Armata / Sputnik International
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