This blows. I really wanted to attend the trial. I pictured it being like the last episode of Seinfeld with a motley crew of GFYers descending upon a small town.

A courtroom full of pimps, bikers, thieves, stoners, Canadians, whores, Serbs in strait-jackets, every other person asking which side of the courtroom the grooms friends should sit, CS shitting himself in a corner, Eddy hitting on a bailiff ... no wonder they wanted to settle.

This is by far the funniest thing I've read on GFY all week.

Thanks for the chuckle.

1) Most US states and Canadian provinces prohibit internet access to prisoners. Nevertheless, it happened that smart phones were (illegally) found in prisons and that prisoners were able to communicate via the Internet despite the regulation.

2) But several US states allow internet access to detainees:


Some prisons let inmates connect with tablets

Proponents say allowing inmates to use tablets will help reintegrate them into society and keep them from returning to jail.

Ohio became the latest state last month to allow inmates to purchase and use mini-tablet computers while incarcerated — a controversial move intended to better connect those in jail with their families and friends on the outside.

At least six other states, including North Dakota and Georgia, permit the practice, which proponents say will deepen prisoners' ties to their communities and keep them in sync with modern technology.


Kimberly Railey, USA Today, August 18, 2013

3) Even if a State allows access to the internet (for inmates), it will not allow access to all types of websites...


4) What is the probability that Donny Pauling come again on this board while in jail? ;)

Just call the jails and get the information, or at least confirm it, that's what I did. Shouldn't take more than 20 minutes (even with multiple calls and searches).

You should write him, make them open letters to all of us for reading. Make sure you attempt to send the thread after the letters were posted, that way he gets some gratification and comes up with more pages to explain how this is all a misunderstanding.
He will be in a different jail it sounds like so maybe they'll let it pass the first time like they did for me.

I'm done with my correspondence with Donny, got tired of somehow stupid dummies on here associated circumstances with me being pals with him. Unlike him I'm innocent. Never ever do I do bad things, I'm an Angel. :frenchman

^^^word

Seriously, even if you set aside the insufferable self-righteousness and self-absorption, Donny apparently was approached by an adult who asked Donny to have sex with his 14 year old relative while he watched. Donny's reaction was not to call child protection services or another law enforcement officer to get this child some protection, instead he apparently chose to participate.

I feel tremendous empathy for his family and loved ones who are no doubt in considerable pain over all this, but Donny caused this. He chose to give in to his most vile tendancies.

dying laughing over here

Isn't the entire point of jail to punish people by not allowing them to be connected to the outside?

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Inmates should be kept from each other to some extent. I've talked to jailers and much like criminal defense attorneys they don't think very highly of those they deal with on a daily basis.
Being put in with other bad criminals makes things worse.

As far as change goes, can a person change? Somewhat.
Whenever someone asks that question I phrase it by saying "what happens when you go to the gym several times a week for long durations with a plan?" Change happens, significant change, throw in diet etc.
Some respond better to training more than others.

In regards to charging people as sexual predators it's effective. I had someone in a college course that was always so damn quiet, it was weird, nice guy though. He never liked to talk to people because he was under house arrest and talking would result in them finding out that he may have been caught illegal porn. Apparently he had depictions of a high school girl on his computer in the police report. Happen all the time now with kids and snapchat, my niece is wild and I think she got in some trouble with snapchat.
I read later that he violated his probation by watching a regular porn flick (they had the title and everything and it was rather tame).
Being labeled a sex predator is a life sentence, everytime you meet someone new you wonder if/when they'll find out and you'll always be able to tell when they do. The unfortunate thing to is like a felony, it doesn't matter how severe it is, it's all the same thing to the mind of the average person.

I wonder what his mom and all his Christian friends that were defending him on facebook have to say now?

His FB page hasn't been updated in several months: https://www.facebook.com/donnypauling?fref=ts

On the pulpit in 2017. Figure he posts in this thread as soon as he's out.

LOL Yes, of course. :)

But is that the best strategy to rehabilitate criminals?

Personally, I do not know.

Just one big dysfunctional family:upsidedow...

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Too damn funny!
Home run L-Pink! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

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No wonder this thread has almost 60 thousands views.

Prisons in the US shifted focus from rehabilitation to punishment in the mid 70s. And it's worked well. 2/3 of those who leave prison are back inside within 3 years.

I could send over some pizzas and make it a real party.

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There are not enough of those

It would have been so beautiful.

I don't know about the outcome of the trial but it would have damn sure forced Airbnb to cancel their IPO.

With Juicy as their attorney :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

So in order to rehabilitate criminals, we need to give them even less punishment?

Prison should be a cold, dark, damp cell, bread and water, and if they are lucky a shower once a week. None of this playing tennis and basketball, going to the gym, watching television bullshit. This is supposed to be a punishment, not a country club.

It's already shameful that he is only going to get a years for molesting children while the government pays $100k a year to have him behind bars.

Don't revise it yet. You're right about how it went down.

Porn > Wendy found out > Divorce

Just heard the figure in NY yesterday on the radio $112k per inmate cost.

I agree 100%, if we focused on punishment again, I am betting we would have a lot less repeat offenders.

Treat people like animals and then reintroduce them into society. Brilliant.

Rehabilitation is not working that well either. Suggestions?

Is it really responsible to believe that someone can be "fixed?" Most people are who they are. Very few people change. How can we reasonably expect violent, sociopathic parasites to mold their behavior into what we as a society would like them to behave like?

Facts about Sociopathy and Psychopathy

These are the people we try to change, or "rehabilitate."

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You are right, let's give them three square meals a day, cable tv, basketball, tennis, a gym.... Instead of punishment let's give them a three stay stay at a country club.

This is why 2/3 of these criminals end up back in the prison system - there is no punishment. Get caught doing something bad and you win a long term vacation. WTF? This is supposed to be punishment. Bread and water three times a day, and a cold dark cell. No TV, no tennis, no basketball - No reading material. This is punishment. It needs to be so bad that someone will never ever want to return and will never ever commit another crime again.

100% correct. :thumbsup

The reason 2/3 end up back in prison is because they've lost their fear of prison. They get out and don't give a shit if they get sent back because it wasn't all that bad. Make it a living fucking hell and see how many get sent back.

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Canadians. Fucking deal breaker!

If he gets out of the joint alive he won't be able to hold a fart for the rest of his miserable life. Good riddance ...

While I am sure some of them have lost their fear of prison, that is not the reason most re-offend. There are many other reasons including the fact that once you are a convicted felon there is a stigma that hangs over you and it becomes very hard to get a job, much less make a life for yourself. Not to mention many of these people go into prison with no life skills and all they learn while in prison is how to be better criminals. Add in institutionalization syndrome, a system looking for any reason to send them back, and the fact that when people are released they are released right back into the environment that they were in before and it is no wonder most of them end up back in inside.

Let me ask the question like this: If you have two dogs and they are both behaving badly and you take dog number 1 to obedience training. You treat the dog with sympathy and work with the dog to socialize it and train it to be a good dog and you take dog 2 and lock it in a cage, feed it as little as possible and yell at it every day, which dog do you think is going to end up being the better pet?

I believe there are some people who can't be rehabilitated. Pedophiles, rapists, murderers etc. But someone who sold drugs or robbed a store or stole cars likely can. Most of us have a glorified ideal of what prison is and would hate every second we were in there. Clearly the current system isn't working, but when you look at other countries who treat criminals in a different manner and actually do try to rehabilitate them they have a much higher success rate.

Should we try rehabilitating this woman?

Stepmother created phony videos to cover up 5-year-old’s injuries, police say - The Washington Post

Sounds like she has a some serious mental problems. I don't know if someone like that can be helped or not.

There are some people who cannot be rehabilitated. But when you send the ones that can be rehabilitated to a country club so they can spend the next few years playing tennis and watching TV they don't have to pay for, they won't be rehabilitated. Why bother - It's a great deal; You break the law and get a long vacation.

Prison needs to be nasty, vile, and horrible. It needs to be punishment.

While I agree that it shouldn't be a club like atmosphere (and for the record most prisons are not. Some minimum security prisons have more activities in most you spend most of your time sitting in your cell) all I can say is this: If you look at countries that treat prisoners like animals, what do most of them have in common? They are third world shitholes that you wouldn't want to live in. I don't think the two are mutually exclusive.

If the goal is to rehabilitate people and hope they can reenter society in a positive way, you can't treat them like savages and then expect them to be good citizens.

I am not saying "treating them like savages". I'm not saying "send them all out the yard and it's survival of the fittest". It costs $110k a year to house someone in prison, meanwhile we are spending $10k a year to educated my fifteen year old. There is something seriously wrong with that.

Sixty-five percent of prisoners end up back in prison, so clearly what we are doing isn't working. We need to make prison less of a vacation in order to rehabilitate them. We need to make it so that people will never want to go back.

You may not have used the word savages, but you did say, "Prison needs to be nasty, vile, and horrible." That sounds pretty savage to me.

To me the way you make them not want to go back is by helping them get some type of opportunity to succeed when they are released. Look up institutionalization syndrome. Just being locked up, even if there are some decent amenities, screws with a person. Many of these people are released, they have no skills, no way of getting job that pays more than minimum wage and they are surrounded by temptation to return to their old lives. It isn't that they are not afraid of going back to jail (although, I digress, some likely are not afraid) it is that they don't think they will get caught or they no longer care because they are hopeless.

I'm not saying we shouldn't lock people up or make them pay for the crimes. We should. I just think making it "harsher" isn't going to rehabilitate them. I think making conditions in prisons worse is only going to make the problem worse.

You forgot the mighty Crips and they gang leader B-snitching packing his ak-47 in his Dora The Explorer and Boots backpack.

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/...20130928165153

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(my bold to emphasize this post has fuck all to do with donny, and is to agree with kane's general post)

90% of people here saying how prison is a country club wouldn't last 5 minutes without pissing their pants "3 square meals a day" etc... l m f a o, taste that shit and see if you keep your "I wish I was given 3 square meals a day" thoughts. Everyone is different of course, and you are never going to rehabilitate everyone, but I'd sooner be part of civilised society than a knee-jerk reactionary who lets emotions override intelligence.

The very fact you are incarcerated is supposed to be the punishment part of it... you can't hang out with your buddies, go to the store if you feel like it, grab a snack, have an impromptu fuck with your missus, take a phone call from one of your kids who needs a hand with something, ring up your mates/kids, go for a drive, sit in the garden for 5 minutes to chill out, and a thousand other things that everyone takes for granted but rest assured, you would fucking HATE to lose. And that's how it should be, because you lost your liberty, so tough shit.

While you are in there they run workshops, courses, and attempt to give/mould skills that prevent reoffending - because the whole point is you want the behaviour to change right? You don't punish your kid by locking them under the stairs with bread and water and expect them to change their behaviour.... you take away their ps3, or ground them for a week as the punishment, and do what you need to do to change their behaviour so they don't just come out from under the stairs after 2 days and then do the same thing after a week, and keep repeating that stupid procedure because you are too much of an emotional knee-jerk idiot to see it isn't working.

Again... that isn't going to work with every inmate obviously, but how is it most people understand that it's better for 10 guilty to go free than 1 innocent to be imprisoned, or 10 to escape the chair than 1 innocent to die, or 100 torrent users go unpunished than 1 innocent to get penalised, and so on, but can't grasp the notion that with rehabilitation you can and do change people, and those that you can't are the ones that are going to re-offend and be career criminals anyway, regardless of whether you punish them by removing their liberty, or try Rochards dumb as fuck reactionary method that's akin to a hormonal facebook mom sharing a 'share if YOU hate cancer' meme.