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that's a weird thing to say because a second ago you were butthurt when you were confused about me insulting you. so you dodge and deflect by claiming I am dangerously confused.
Again, fill us all in **********, which of my posts, all backed up with references, are confusing to you? Is it the links to referenced support I provide? Or is it the fact you can't support you silly *we can fix it* comment with any scientific corroboration? |
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This thread is pure gold. I wish i could share all the posts with people i went to school with. This would seriously scare them.
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The question now remains how long it will take before majority population segments in America and the rest of the world realize, as Australia now finally does, that they have been duped by unaffordable and unreliable climate benefit-premised ?green energy? promotions. For example, perhaps recall when then Vice President and presidential candidate Gore cast a tie-breaking 1994 Senate vote in favor of ethanol mandates. Speaking in 2010 at a green energy business conference in Athens, Gore admitted: ?It is not a good policy to have these massive subsidies for first-generation ethanol.? Reuters quoted him saying in retrospect, ?First-generation ethanol I think was a mistake. The energy conversion ratios are at best very small.? Gore then explained: ?One of the reasons I made that mistake is that I paid particular attention to the farmers in my home state of Tennessee, and I had a certain fondness for the farmers in the state of Iowa [the first-in-the-nation caucuses state] because I was about to run for president.? |
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True or not the most shocking thing about all this is people who spend a majority of their days on the internet arguing against 99% of the scientists on Earth. Oh, but Al Gore is paying off every scientist and researcher on every corner of the planet.
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You always talk about "facts" but always fail to present any. Theories are not facts. Evidence in support of non-factual theories is not fact. Propaganda is not fact. Calling something a fact does not make it a fact. Stop abusing the word already. Quote:
If you believe that Venus is valid for comparison to Earth then why not Mars where the CO2 concentration of the atmosphere is also 95%? Venus is not a valid model for comparing to the Earth in any way shape or form. Period. It doesn't matter if it is called a "twin" or if it is similar size. All of it is completely irrelevant to the discussion of current conditions on Earth so stop trying to use CO2 on Venus as a case for cutting CO2 on Earth. . |
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What I've attempted to do here (and many times before) is point out that the debate serously curbs behavior. By creating the argument, it politically polarized things which is completely counter to fostering change. The other thing that I've done (elsewhere) about what you state is point out how dangerous it is to exclaim "the science is settled on global warming". Science is never settled, that's not the point of science and the scientific method. To continue to learn about matters is the cornerstone of science. No where in the scientific method does it state that science is settled if x number of "scientists" agree on something. |
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In the meantime, he has now accumulated over 200 million dollars in wealth since leaving office (all thanks to "climate change"), he lives in a very UN-green mansion with a giant carbon footprint, he rides in big gas-guzzling/CO2 emitting limousines, and he flies in a PRIVATE "earth killing" jet as he makes his way around the world collecting money from believers like some kind of evangelist preacher putting on a carny show. Yeah Mark...why don't you explain why Al Gore is living like a king while you and I are expected to live without all that comfort and drive electric cars? Why are you such a cheerleader for the rich ruling class and have no empathy for normal people? |
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You carry on. I am not going to bother posting any arguments. I am just enjoying the show. I gave up trying to pull ostriches out of the sand about five years ago. I really do enjoy all the Science talk here though. Opinions and other facterammos..lol |
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Mars has less than .98 mole fraction (a way of expressing the composition of a mixture with a dimensionless quantity) CO2, compared to 0.0004 on earth. The concentration of CO2 in Mars atmosphere is over 2,000 times higher than Earth. In other words, Mars is cooler because the pressure is less. Quote:
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More BS. Not even junk science there just plain old misinformation.. CO2 levels have jumped up and down throughout history and will continue to do so.
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Me either. I am no scientist. However I like to read about science in various magazines in print and in online, and try to watch as much science based TV as I can. When I was a kid my toys were things like Electronic Project kits, chemistry sets, etc. I used to have a Telescope too. It was a weak one but still made looking at the moon really interesting. One of my favourite books is a textbook called "The Emperors New Mind Concerning Computers, Minds and The Laws of Physics" by Roger Penrose. Hopelessly complicated and impossible for me to understand, I still read it a couple of times. I just really like science. Call me nerd, its ok.
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Co2 is "plant food" sure, but people who claim that more CO2 is better fail to take into account that increasing the availability of one substance that plants need requires other supply changes for benefits to accrue. It also fails to take into account that a warmer earth will see an increase in deserts and other arid lands, reducing the area available for crops. In other words, plants suck CO2 out of the air: Good. A warmer client though means less plants to suck that CO2 up, so more CO2 remains in the atmosphere, warming things up even more, causing more plants to disappear, etc etc.
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![]() Try to imagine things on a different time scale. The planet and its atmosphere will always fluctuate thanks to all kinds of forces both internal and external and happen over millions of years of course. But the changes that are happening now, can have serious impact on you, your children and your grandchildren. What does it hurt to take steps today that can reduce the effect? And maybe just as importantly, who out there would have an interest in you NOT taking those steps? Peace.
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Try to imagine things on a different time scale.
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oh, and my graph is footnoted. not like the other make believe graph above it.
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And no the rise of CO2 is not very recent. CO2 concentration is currently near the lowest it has ever been on the planet. 400 PPM is still far closer to 0 than the 1000's of PPM that CO2 has been at for most of the Earth's history. Based on paleoclimate the Earth actually appears to be in a CO2 deficit. Also keep in mind that photosynthesis stops at around 150 PPM. Quote:
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Tropical rainforests are some of the warmest places on the planet. Some deserts are some of the coldest places on the planet. Temperature is not a major determining factor of whether an area is arid or not. Precipitation is. Then there is this: Deserts 'greening' from rising CO2 Quote:
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I was watching the History Channel and they were showing that the Sahara Desert was once a lush tundra.
It changed into a desert very abruptly around 5,500 years ago. I'm gonna guess that Mark Prince and Crockett would have us believe that was also caused by man. lol The whole thing is a fucking scam. The alarmist scientists have been wrong at every turn. And yet the sheep still believe. It's like some kind of religious fervor. History be damned. It has gotten a tenth of a degree or so warmer over the past 200 years so this MUST be man-made and MUST be "fixed" (fixed=Selling carbon credits and funneling money through b.s. corps like Solyndra) |
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I'm not in this thread to argue about viewpoints. Just hoping to lighten the mood a bit, since I'd much rather be laughing than crying when the world ends.
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in other news, the antarctic is losing so much ice, it is causing dips in gravity:
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Acid rain never amounted to much of anything. Chernobyl affected it's immediate area (the USA dropping 2 atomic bombs on Japanese cities was a much worse atrocity) Saying that mankind can destroy the Earth is simply not true. The Earth will destroy mankind in the end. The rest of this is just companies cashing in on the ego of humans who THINK that we actually can control mother nature. |
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I don't think the debate is about the destruction of the earth but about making it uninhabitable for mankind. I get why most people don't care as the time lines mean we don't really have a horse in this race but I don't get why people feel a need to be obstinate in denying it when almost everything says it is happening. Not sure of the gain in that. |
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The change in weather is getting pretty obvious.
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Ozone - There was only 3 makers of CPF's world wide which made it an easy thing to change. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_d...:Min_ozone.jpg 2007 it was agreed to phase out the last of this stuff over 23 years or so. Even the USA and China agreed. Mankind seems to be able to effect our environment. |
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I'd post actual questions here if it wasn't for 3 things:
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You're wrong. The Ozone layer was thick enough to protect you and me, but not the antarctic. It thinned out so much it completely disappeared in that part of the world.
Not true. Over the years, scientists, foresters, and others have noted a slowed growth of some forests. Leaves and needles turn brown and fall off when they should be green and healthy. In extreme cases, individual trees or entire areas of the forest simply die off without an obvious reason. After much analysis, researchers now know that acid rain causes slower growth, injury, or death of forests. Acid rain has been implicated in forest and soil degradation in many areas of the eastern U.S., particularly high elevation forests of the Appalachian Mountains from Maine to Georgia that include areas such as the Shenandoah and Great Smoky Mountain National Parks. Of course, acid rain is not the only cause of such conditions. Other factors contribute to the overall stress of these areas, including air pollutants, insects, disease, drought, or very cold weather. In most cases, in fact, the impacts of acid rain on trees are due to the combined effects of acid rain and these other environmental stressors. After many years of collecting information on the chemistry and biology of forests, researchers are beginning to understand how acid rain works on the forest soil, trees, and other plants. Quote:
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Easier sure, but boring if you ask me. Get involved! Everyone on GFY likes to think they know what they are talking about when it comes to climate change (especially me!). So if you think someone has it wrong, by all means say so. It's always good to use links to source material if you can, though it won't make a difference to those who are just too stubborn to click it.
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i still can't wrap my head around the fact that some people desperately try to prevent any progress in keeping our environment livable
i remember from my youth how certain industrial areas looked liked when no one cared back then - now that we have filters and catalytic converters and factories are not allowed to pump their waste directly into rivers anymore, nature has recovered. In my youth some rivers were completely dead, now you can even eat the fish again. how can anyone say the problems before were not manmade and doing something against the pollution is a bad thing? crazy people here...
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Yes we can definitely have an effect on our immediate environment. No argument there.
And I'd love to help by getting a Tesla sports car! Those electric cars are bad ass! But to suggest that we have anything to do with the "Little Ice Age" period that the Earth is now coming out of and into it's more natural warmer climate is ridiculous. The Earth does what it will. Yes, we can make the air less dirty for ourselves. And we have. Yes, we can keep things clean by recycling, etc. And we have. But the whole CO2/humans changing the Earth's temperature in a way that will DESTROY it? Well, that's chicken little "the sky is falling" bullshit. Throughout history there have been cries of approaching doomsday. Many times by scientists (who turned out to be dead wrong every time throughout the centuries...and in more modern history as I have pointed out). Rational people used to call them "crazy". In today's society we are calling the skeptics crazy! I can't prove or disprove anything here. But I can tell you that 30 years ago we were being told everything would already be gone 15 years ago. lol Come back in 30 years and see for yourself. Nothing will change. And the same alarmists will still be cashing in on the latest "doomsday". |
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Pollution is definitely bad. And yes humans DID make that mess and then we cleaned it up. You're mixing up claims of carbon DESTROYING all of mankind versus cleaning up air pollution and/or stopping dumping poison into a lake. It's not the same thing or the same scale. |
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I just wish you'd use google and find out stuff for yourself before you post those bullshit statements. Here ya go: https://www.nsf.gov/about/history/ns...ctic/ozone.htm Read and learn. |
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I look at some of the people posting here. And I know they are intelligent human beings.
But some of the stuff y'all buy into just boggles my mind. It's like watching people who believe in religion. Otherwise they might be intelligent about every other subject. But they choose to suspend their disbelief when it comes to religion. Same thing for people who SEE the graphs showing the Earth changing throughout history. You read the articles from the "greatest" scientists on Earth getting it all wrong in the 1970's, 1980's, 1990's with their forecasts for what was going to happen. You know that the Earth is coming out of a period known as "The Little Ice Age" (basically the Earth has been COLDER than normal for all of our lives and is now just beginning to warm back up to it's normal temp) And despite all of that...you still believe. I guess it's just good for a debate and a laugh on GFY. |
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Okay I'll play but keep in mind that I said I do not deny that there is change nor that man played a role. 1) When the Ozone was an issue, the world acted fast, when there is a disaster the world bands together.. So why is it that the major solution to Global warming is a Carbon Tax that basically acts like a for profit stock exchange for carbon credits? One would thing that a global natural disaster would amount to more than a slow moving tax based solution. 2) Remembering basic science from grade school CO2 is a byproduct of many natural causes.. Man - 29 gigatons of CO2 is tiny compared to the 750 gigatons moving through the carbon cycle each year. If mankind is only looking at reducing man made CO2 by less than 10% say 2 gigatons what net effect will it really have. 3) CO2 as a by-product of the industrial revaluation has drastically elevated, this is a given... But so have other things that could and do trap heat. Keep in mind we are only talking about a a small % of global temperature gain. Why are we not also looking into all possible heat sources. Large concrete buildings that trap heat and are know to change weather patters around a city, energy efficient homes use concrete slabs to store heat and as heat sources in the winter. Given their abundance what % if any do they play in the temp increase? Millions of miles of back top that we drive on each day trap heat to the point you can cook an egg on it. There are more examples.... but nobody talks about them.. All we hear about is CO2... If you removed all the CO2 that is man made we still have 750 gigatons moving through the carbon cycle each year.... |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempera...Comparison.png From this page - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperature_record We are out of the ice age and now warmer then the warm age. Not sure what else to say but I am not sure why you need to hold to this belief system. |
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