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seeric · 08-19-2014, 08:11 PM

50 billion times I've gotten spot #50 on GFY.com since 2004. LOL.

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

It's too bad the people at the top didn't do more to stop piracy in our industry. Instead they had drinks while the pirates delivered the keynote. I guess we reap what we sow.

We actually found that you can't unite the industry.

I actually remember initially starting some of the dialogue in 2005/2006. We saw the writing on the wall and the coming trend.

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=760706

It is what it is now. Too late to go back. The laws are in favor of the sites that enjoy the safe harbor provisions and some of the other protections of the DMCA. If the government re-writes the DMCA it will change the playing field over night.

EDIT: From what I can remember the whole thing fell apart because no one wanted to put up any money to fund any of the operations that the movement was going to generate. Failure to commit.

sarettah · 08-19-2014, 08:14 PM

See that??? Another evil cam promotion effect.

It makes you waste the fiddy spot on an actual post.

If you promote cams you are doomed.

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2MuchMark · 08-19-2014, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

How do you get CCBILL/EPOCH and the cam site the white label is a front for to set this up?

Hi Mutt,

Contact Epoch, CCBill, Netbilling, Segpay etc and they will be able to assist you. Doing a live cam site with your own account and one of these billers is more work, but the payoff is much higher.

thehand · 08-19-2014, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by seeric

You couldn't be farther from the truth. Vivid is one of the most aggressive companies when it comes to piracy, and the Vivid piracy abatement team does a fantastic job. It's a no win battle until the government takes some action to remove the safe harbor provisions that work for the free sites, and against the content producers. Until that time, the option is to keep up, which the Vivid team does in an amazing way, utilizing many different piracy abatement angles. To be honest with you, Vivid has had more problems with the affiliates/other adult sites stealing it's content over the last 3 years than they have had problems with consumers and repeat infringers. Meaning, more times that not when stolen content is discovered, there is normally an adult site at the end of the upload that is benefiting. The industry is full of thieves. That is a fact.

These words he speaks are true.

Mutt · 08-19-2014, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by **********

Hi Mutt,

Contact Epoch, CCBill, Netbilling, Segpay etc and they will be able to assist you. Doing a live cam site with your own account and one of these billers is more work, but the payoff is much higher.

NoWhere wasn't talking about doing your own cam site - he was talking about a white label and somehow as an affiliate doing the direct billing with your own CCBILL/EPOCH master account. How is this done? Somebody on my white label registers and buys 100 dollars of credits through MY CCBILL account?

NaughtyNerdy · 08-20-2014, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

NoWhere wasn't talking about doing your own cam site - he was talking about a white label and somehow as an affiliate doing the direct billing with your own CCBILL/EPOCH master account. How is this done? Somebody on my white label registers and buys 100 dollars of credits through MY CCBILL account?

Also curious about this

aka123 · 08-20-2014, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

NoWhere wasn't talking about doing your own cam site - he was talking about a white label and somehow as an affiliate doing the direct billing with your own CCBILL/EPOCH master account. How is this done? Somebody on my white label registers and buys 100 dollars of credits through MY CCBILL account?

I haven't done whitelables, so I have one question. Why would the "double info problem" be present at the first place? I don't get it. The whole whitelabel is connected to the actual service provider, right? If it isn't seamlessly integrated, it is really fucked up design.

NewNick · 08-20-2014, 03:34 AM

Cams make you impotent.

Sorry meant important.

xXXtesy10 · 08-20-2014, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by MrDeiz

what i stated is:
- vivid is the only company who succeeds at fighting piracy;
- vivid content still could be found for free.

while content of others could be found just at any pirate site, your content is available at very few sites. i barely search, but every time i search i find pirate links and submit those to Steve. some videos have 100,000+ views over a few months. those get removed every time i report. but i also know some places where you can't get stuff removed and i don't even try to report those (piratebay, vk, etc).

to finalize: vivid does A+ job at removing pirated content while "it's a battle you can't ever win".

anyways that's a topic on doing cams

just curious how vivid cams are doing, both WL and your studio

and btw just to clarify "affiliate part" - you mean someone steals your videos in order to profit from it in some other ways, rather than just sharing?

You steal thousands of images for your site gossiptapes.com . What makes you any different? You're not even hotlinking them, just outright ripping them off.

CamTraffic · 08-20-2014, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by MrDeiz

while vivid is the only effective company who fights piracy

BareBacked · 08-20-2014, 08:08 AM

Gopros via amazon sell like crazy. good luck

dicknipples · 08-20-2014, 09:05 AM

Friendly advice: Do Mainstream.

vending_machine · 08-20-2014, 09:47 AM

Mutt, contact CCBill and ask to get set up with a Streamate 1click upsell. You're leaving a LOT of money on the table by not having a 1click.

Your members can click a link in your members area, instantly get logged into YOUR cam whitelabel and start spending money using the original CC on file from your paysite.

This same setup is available on Streamate via almost 20 different processors/gateways.

ErectMedia · 08-20-2014, 09:54 AM

Cams have been my main focus/majority of my adult income for quite a few years now.

adultmobile · 08-20-2014, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MrDeiz

- PPL/PPS is more profitable than revshare with most programs i promote.
- small cams also generate sales.

Small cam ppl is good, because not saturated (who the hell do not know mfc or jasmin or steramate already?)... but, as long as the "small" at least got a dozen of cam girls 24/7, those smaller are unstable (will collapse), and if up, not impressing the viewer on landing.
About the PPL that's good as long as it's $2.50+, not $1's, and depends on countries too.

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Originally Posted by **********

Single "Whales" easily spend over $30,000 a year talking to just one model, and there are even bigger whales.

I can confirm we got some $100k a year whales; actually very few of these whales added or lost it can change our profits considerably, I mean like 5 members more or less

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

none of my cam affiliate websites are whitelabels.

We did not provided whitelabels for branding and other reasons, that looked a little silly years ago and sure we missed lots of affiliates due to that, but now with the google paranoia about unique content, the alternative ways to use domain names are getting popular. For example iframing and even redirecting it seems not penalized... we see several affiliates doing fancy stuff with the domains but it is not correct to tell here their methods.

money biz · 08-20-2014, 10:26 PM

friendly advice do mainstream and forget about adult.

MrDeiz · 08-21-2014, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by adultmobile

Small cam ppl is good, because not saturated (who the hell do not know mfc or jasmin or steramate already?)... but, as long as the "small" at least got a dozen of cam girls 24/7, those smaller are unstable (will collapse), and if up, not impressing the viewer on landing.
About the PPL that's good as long as it's $2.50+, not $1's, and depends on countries too.

i was referring to my chaturbate and MFC PPL stats
dunno the reason. even now wich CB i get hundreds of regs and much fewer bought tokens.

Klen · 08-21-2014, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by money biz

friendly advice do mainstream and forget about adult.

Mainstream require order and discipline,while adult is pure anarchy ,so that is why it still have advantage over mainstream.

Kafka · 08-21-2014, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by LeRoy

Paysites are far from dead!

Exactly. But big sponsors like Brazzers or Nastydollars dont convert. You have to hunt for the special ones.

ITraffic · 08-21-2014, 04:14 AM

revshare in the end will always win for cams. sorry doing ppl is silly unless you are doing large media buys or something. you need patience, but that is the reason most affilaites give up on cams.

that you are trading people who will spend X amount per month for years for 2.50 is insane.

CPA-Rush · 08-21-2014, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ITraffic

revshare in the end will always win for cams. sorry doing ppl is silly unless you are doing large media buys or something. you need patience, but that is the reason most affilaites give up on cams.

that you are trading people who will spend X amount per month for years for 2.50 is insane.

lolz

adultmobile · 08-21-2014, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by MrDeiz

CB i get hundreds of regs and much fewer bought tokens.

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Originally Posted by ITraffic

trading people who will spend X amount per month for years for 2.50 is insane.

Depends by traffic source, some made of younger guys from stupid chat sites produce lots of free signups and no one sale and this is a loss for us (the cam program) and a win for the affiliate. In these cases we talk the affiliate and some time we say please do not send more, of course that's the proof the affiliate is getting better deal than revshare. Other traffic sources, especially 30+ or 40+ year olds sitting on cash and with pre-tube ideas, cause some spending guys and some whales and so yes, we're very happy to just pay some $3 each only for these kind of traffic, but that's rare.

MrDeiz · 08-22-2014, 03:03 PM

did anyone follow?

signupdamnit · 08-22-2014, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MrDeiz

did anyone follow?

Your post caused me to ramp up cams promotion a bit. For the last two years I've been focusing mainly on Dating. Ask me next month.

BumpUglyz · 08-22-2014, 11:35 PM

I got mine, you got yours?

MrDeiz · 08-26-2014, 01:52 AM

even one guy can spend a lot in one month. and i know this one is far from being a whale

money biz · 08-26-2014, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by MrDeiz

even one guy can spend a lot in one month. and i know this one is far from being a whale

yea and the minute you drop stop sending traffic, they drop you down to 10% revshare that sponsor

slapass · 08-26-2014, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

It's too bad the people at the top didn't do more to stop piracy in our industry. Instead they had drinks while the pirates delivered the keynote. I guess we reap what we sow.

The money was too easy. It is hard to blame them as they had already made it.

BTW that Saretah chick is annoying as heck.

PornDiscounts-V · 08-27-2014, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by money biz

yea and the minute you drop stop sending traffic, they drop you down to 10% revshare that sponsor

What sponsor is that?

cromweltube · 08-27-2014, 04:52 AM

MrDeiz, tnx for the list.
Can you tell me which affiliate program is the best for the latin market?
I have a adult tube site and 90% of my visitors are spanish speaking people from all over thee world.

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cromweltube Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 5	MrDeiz, tnx for the list. Can you tell me which affiliate program is the best for the latin market? I have a adult tube site and 90% of my visitors are spanish speaking people from all over thee world.