Biggy

I disagree.. How many quality content producers are left? 100?

More like 10. Go to his best of section, it's easy to see what people like... Why do people visit tubes? CONTENT. The newest shit, put out by maybe the top 10-20 studios, in full length form. That DVD content from 5-8 years ago is pretty aged by this point... I wouldn't jerk it to the content I helped to create 8 years ago - that shit sucks now. Yeah, it's great filler, but its not flooding the best of section... and a lot of the content producers are much smarter than they were 8 years ago with registering their copyrights, being protective about their content, not just allowing it to be a free for all. If he didn't care, then why have a content partner program to begin with?

It's not hard to be a good actor. It won't affect his site except he'll look good and have everyone on board to submit good content, wouldn't even affect his bottom line and he would have one less major headache if he continues down the current path. In the meanwhile, he's forcing rules on content holders, while allowing rampant piracy, and basically signaling he doesn't care. I think it's sloppy. Just last week they accidentally emailed their entire advertiser base out without using a BCC so now everyone has the emails on everyone else who is buying ads there, there were maybe 100 emails on that list, I think that speaks about the overall carelessness that's going on over there and the corners that are being cut, particularly with the copyright laws. I conveniently got an email today from Reporo saying they noticed I was buying ads on the site, go figure. I wonder if I am the only one whose ads they recognized :/

There's a 5 day lag in sending in a DMCA and having it removed. Almost all other sites do it instantly. It's easy to set up an API to remove it. He used to do it a lot faster, until he started getting hit more for it, or at least that is how it's coming across. The slowdown in removal has been documented among other things. It looks like he has no repeat infringer policy in place either, there's users having a total free for all uploading hundreds if not thousands of pirated videos.

If he's concerned about content removal, there's small things he can be doing to show he wants to work with content producers vs against them. Without that, I'd think content owners would happily forgo his site and DMCA everything on it, while finding the holes in his content policies that clearly encourage piracy. Google is a great place to DMCA these days when owners don't want to respond in a timely manner.

sandman!

dont like it then dont submit

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SomeCreep

At this point, if content producers do not continue to upload their videos, webmasters will simply steal their videos, chop off the watermark, and put their own watermark promoting dating sites, cams, etc. So might as well have surfers see your brand first, instead of being amazed by some new content you didn't upload, that some webmaster from India uploaded with his watermark to a cam site.

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Biggy

Wrong again. This does happen. And we always hold the people they are promoting accountable and they cooperate with us, terminate the accounts, etc. If they didn't they could be held liable as well once they have the information. Those efforts are pretty fruitless for both the affiliates and the companies. It's typically some idiot in a 3rd world making $20-$100. It's definitely not worth the company's hassle to get stuck in the cross-fire and be actively continue the relationship on piracy. And for the affiliate, I guess it depends on how poor they are.

Once you're targetted, you cannot bury your head in the sand on piracy, especially if you are targetted by a large group of content producers, who have resources.

Content owners are not as defeated as you think they are. We have collected north of $1m in infringement enforcement (before legal fees). It's not a wild west, we just aren't publicizing it. We're privately teaching people lessons. We've been registering all of our copyrights for years now. You know what happens when we find someone willfully blind, and their DMCA cover is blown? Potentially up to $150,000 per infringement in damages. Still think piracy pays?

Ruseful

You and the whole industry should be pleased that we never operated YouPorn in the way that xvideos is operated. Believe me, we left so much money on the table by making YouPorn the most compliant adult tube site. Of course, in the first 6 months we relied on user uploads, but for the 4+ years after, relied solely on purchased content and the content of our partners. Most of the top studios and content owners are very good friends, simply because we made them so much money in the way we DID operate YouPorn.

And why do you think I am being so vocal now about what xvideos are trying to do, not only my content, but EVERY content that has been uploaded via their content partner programs? Don't you think I might just be one of the best positioned people in the industry to know of the dangers in relinquishing the rights to YOUR content, to a tube, especially xvideos? Im sorry if you can't see this.

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Ruseful

lol, she would be perfect for GrannyAgent

Yes, I have history, there is no getting away from that, and I never try too. In just under 3 years, I am now one of the biggest studios in the industry, so my feet are firmly in that camp now. But as my reply to NewNic suggests, I have experience that many studio owners do not. And that is of building and running one of the largest and studio friendly tubes. So, if I see a manoeuvre by what is one of the biggest and unfriendliest tubes in existence today, of course I will inform my peers. Many of whom I have spoken with today and the strategy we have planned will benefit not only these studios, but every studio that uploads to xvideos (and other tubes that are on our radar).

GFY is what it is. The majority of members here are never going to be a supporter of my past or current work. Im good with that and nothing they say will ruin my day.

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If you submit... Make sure you have a good watermark. Until they send a notice about vids with watermark

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The Porn Nerd

There was a time, I believe, where they would not post vids with watermarks. I know there was a time without banners under videos, channels, links back etc. They worked the 'social' angle really hard, if I recall....as I mentioned, I hadn't uploaded there for 3+ years. I believe the reasons I just gave were why. So given this news it wouldn't surprise me what they did next.

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Alex1776

WHERE the F is XVideos headquartered and who the F owns it?

Ruseful

In my city Prague. Just in time for the Prague summit next month too

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SmutHammer

Fight fight fight fight....lol

topnotch, standup guy

"user uploads"

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Here, the owners.

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AGREED

Caught them doing this not that long ago..

Captain Kawaii

TUBES from YouPorn and Porntube to xvideos have been hijacking serps for years. This is not news. Its just news to him because suddenly he gives a shit.

TeenCat

what are you talking about? what hijacking serps? they have traffic, they have tons of backlinks, they have content, they have all what google wants, it is not about hijacking, it is about they are simply better than original in terms of seo, nothing else ... if you are good, you can be higher in serps than those tubes, just work harder ...

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Hi Teencat, you're actually wrong here. Let's say you have a successful site called teencatmilfs. You market this site and you have a member area etc.

A tube sites sees your site is successful, so they create a page or tag in their system for teencatmilfs. Because they have more incoming links, more resources, etc. they start to outrank you for YOUR brand name even though they aren't an affiliate of your site or sending you any traffic.

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RazorSharpe

Hi Teencat, you're actually wrong here. Let's say you have a successful site called teencatmilfs. You market this site and you have a member area etc.

A tube sites sees your site is successful, so they create a page or tag in their system for teencatmilfs. Because they have more incoming links, more resources, etc. they start to outrank you for YOUR brand name even though they aren't an affiliate of your site or sending you any traffic.

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TeenCat

i know what you are talking about razor. but i know from my own experience that it is not that big problem to outrank tube, xvideos or youporn, it is not a problem for me, and i am not even a paysite owner believe me, there is a way, but its called seo, so not like you read in newspapers how to get those serps but of course, it is a competition, and in competition everyone have chance, just need to know how have luck everyone

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FTW!

We've begun reporting these tubes to Google and DMCA'ing hosts and Google as well since the SERP the tube is hijacking is a unique expression and therefore our copyright.

TeenCat

how can you report someone because he is taking your serps? if the link with the serps have legit content and not stolen? it is like reporting car driver because he have faster car! come on guys ...

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Captain Kawaii

Anyone can take a paysite's name and use it for social media purposes eh TC?
Easy cheesy SEO FTW.

TeenCat

let me know who is reporting affiliates because affiliate is taking his serp, good to know so i can avoid working with that company in future ... because someone dont know how is not my problem ... and with the tube sites its the same ...

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TeenCat

not sure what are you talking about, i almost dont even know how to post on facebook or twitter, but yeah that can be the way, so what you can do? just use your paysites name for social media purpose faster and voila! problem solved ...

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xvideos

This.

It's not about owning your content, it's a problem coming from what we perceive as a new aggressive strategy from Mindgeek to have popular pages on other sites removed and only available on their sites.

If you plan to sell to Mindgeek we would rather have you go now. If not, it should not affect you.

We'll likely update this agreement a bit, and will always respect your wish to remove certain videos for the usual reasons.

Three.Thousand

whats that saying again...... oh yes, adapt or die.
content producers getting fucked, nothing new under the sun here except this time you get the option to say yes or no at least.

RazorSharpe

No, you're reporting him because he is making cars called Ferrari when they are really Fiat. This is not always the case but some site names are brands. If you use their brand in a way that is not appropriate, you are asking for trouble.

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RZ explained it to you above and xvideos explained it to the board. 2 Bings made a bada boom.

Zeiss

Was thinking the same thing... But what if they decide to force you to pick a side? Stay or go?

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TeenCat

yes, of course, there are some short thinking companies that disable affiliate because he used their brand in blog post and is now taking serps ... but, that is short thinking ... domains are another thing. but if you disallow legit webmasters to use your brand in posts or on the site, as we are talking how xvideos and youporn are taking serps, just from posts or channels, there will be pirate affiliates who will take the serps instead, and say fuck you when you start crying there ... but, its not the point of this thread

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This is the point TeenCat, xvideos in many cases is NOT an affiliate of a site but they still use the site name/brand to hijack the serps and the site/brand owner gets nothing in return, not even some traffic.

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TeenCat

oh, that is another thing, i thought they always credit original paysite. now i understand ...

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xvideos

We are not affiliates of your sites so that you get 100% of the money made by the joins. It was a solidarity move, believe it or not.

There is no plan to exploit your sites names. Google changes algorithm all the time but we haven't done any change in years.

Magnetron

XVideos, RUC and Manwin/Mindgeek not getting along with each other?

Shucks ........

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RazorSharpe

@xvideos - Perhaps you can shed some light on this then. This is just one example of many and obviously isn't isolated to just xvideos:

http://www.xvideos.com/video3115586/...ed_wives_hacer

Project Voyeur is a brand just like Homegrown video. My point is, anyone typing projectvoyeur into google is now presented with links to xvideos, xnxx, etc.

I'm not bashing you but simply stating my perception of things. I appreciate that you'll have your own opinion(s).

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rastan

We've gone, already, simple as that. I might restart just using smaller taster clips instead of 5-10 minute ones and see how that goes.

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Magnetron

So what happens when some creep uploads more CP and horse fucking porn to XVideos and he loses his ability to delete it?

Is XVideos then admitting full responsibility for said content on its servers?

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xanadu

i understand overall where you are coming from, but i personally think that you need to clarify this aspect asap, a lot of content producers are expecting this now.

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hahaha

fuck you, you sellout tool

you deserve everything coming to you

xvideos

We do the same as usual if we are not talking about generic words : if it's unauthorized videos we help you to get the pages removed from both Google and Xvideos. Ideally you would have your own channel ranked well on Google instead.

xvideos

You are right this move was a bit maladroit, but I feel still necessary. More clarification coming, and likely an update.

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love the irony in this thread

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This thread is great

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It's always good to hear the other side.

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timmyc38

you are joined as a member of our program, and are using your affiliate link - so you appear to be getting paid from us .. what do you mean we get 100% of the money?

I would like to get it all - let me know - if you can clarify this, shit I will keep uploading

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xvideos

We can update those links to be direct to your sites. What is your account?

twitter.com/xvideoscom/status/377537652620144640

Ruseful

I'm glad that we have that in writing that you'll always respect our wish to remove certain videos, should I imply that to mean we can have our videos removed whenever we please?

Let's say you won't agree to this? You give absolute minimal advertising space to your Content Partners. Lets play devils advocate and say that in the future, you decide to remove ALL advertising to the Content Partner. Its your site, you can do this. What recourse does a Content Partner have then?

What if you were to decide, in the future, that your "community" is strong enough to support your tube with stolen content? And the fact that it takes up to 5 days for you to comply with DMCA, and the fact that you seem to have a very lapse Repeat Infringer policy, this all plays into a potential move for you to increase your ad revenues further.

You have an opportunity right now to do more for Content Partner, or you can continue down the current path, and I can tell you, it won't be the path of least resistance any more.

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timmyc38

you can leave the links as is , so I can track them - I will just make note not to pay out? that cool with you?

we have barbi sinclair, mandy tyler , and few other sites --

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