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  • WarChild
    Let slip the dogs of war.
    • Jan 2003
    • 17263

    #1

    So one of my dogs needs surgery, again ...

    Hip surgery as a puppy $2000
    Knee surgery 3 years ago $1500
    Knee surgery next week $5000
    Knowing that money isn't being wasted in Africa .... Priceless.
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  • GrouchyAdmin
    Now choke yourself!
    • Apr 2006
    • 12085

    #2
    Great, a $8,500 slobbery bitch. You could have had a kid with a crack whore for that much cash.

    I'd spend that much on a dog. Not on a human, though.

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    • xxweekxx
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      • Oct 2002
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      #3
      stop feeding your dog crap food, aka dry food or popular food brand..

      get him some organic RAW meat and he wont need surgery..
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      • GrouchyAdmin
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        • Apr 2006
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        #4
        Originally posted by xxweekxx
        get him some organic RAW meat and he wont need surgery..
        TAPEWORMS ARE YUMMY!

        God, I'm glad I just put your stupid ass on ignore.

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        • the Shemp
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          • xxweekxx
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            #6
            Originally posted by GrouchyAdmin
            TAPEWORMS ARE YUMMY!

            God, I'm glad I just put your stupid ass on ignore.

            you ignorant fuck it depends on where you get the meat from.. you buy good organic raw meat there are no tape worms..

            jeez.. my moms dog is 13yrs old, fed raw since day 1, no health issues at all

            my cat is 1yr old, eats natures variety raw beef,chicken,lamb, no health issues.. healthy and lean as ever..

            why dont you go research raw feeding for animals before you post something dumb..

            fact: cats/dogs are not meant to eat biscuits(yes dry food is basically biscuit..)

            in the wild nobody bakes them cookies, they eat other animals..

            dumb fucker

            for original poster.. take a look here:

            http://search.onlynaturalpet.com/sea...1-993893fbd3b4

            onlynaturalpet is a good website to start from if you want your pet to be healthy.
            Last edited by xxweekxx; 05-13-2008, 10:20 PM.
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            • GrouchyAdmin
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              • Apr 2006
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              #7
              Originally posted by xxweekxx
              in the wild nobody bakes them cookies, they eat other animals..

              dumb fucker
              In the wild, and in suburbs, you're birdseed. Begone, and never return from whence you came.

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              • xxweekxx
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                • Oct 2002
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                #8
                Originally posted by GrouchyAdmin
                In the wild, and in suburbs, you're birdseed. Begone, and never return from whence you came.

                that doesnt even make sense.. is your IQ in the double digits?
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                • PleasurePimp
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                  #9

                  in the wild nobody bakes them cookies, they eat other animals..
                  LOL


                  What kind of dog you got ?

                  One of my admins good a mix of Newfoundland dog and lap or so
                  huge animal. but both hips gone ......

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                  • xxweekxx
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                    • Oct 2002
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by PleasurePimp
                    LOL


                    What kind of dog you got ?

                    One of my admins good a mix of Newfoundland dog and lap or so
                    huge animal. but both hips gone ......

                    conny

                    its my moms dog.. german shepherd. like i said the big pet food manufacturers want u to believe that your dog will get poisoned from eating raw food. BUT if you buy a good brand like natures variety, nothing will happen.

                    My cat's been eating it one year.. my moms dog for a few years..

                    Carbohydrates/grains in those freaking dog foods are not meant for dogs.. they are used cause they are cheap.. bottom line.. feeding them that shit will let to health problems sooner or later.

                    Which do you think is cheaper? 1lb of grain or 1lb of beef
                    Last edited by xxweekxx; 05-13-2008, 10:30 PM.
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                    • xxweekxx
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                      #11
                      Here you can read this

                      http://www.living-foods.com/articles/rawpetfood.html
                      and
                      http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/animals.htm


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                      I have a holistic vet in Tenafly i take my cat to. He sells only raw food and he actually recommends I feed my cat raw diet. I feed him natures variety raw foods,(they got beef,rabbit,lamb,chicken,etc), and my cat is VERY active, no issues, perfect weight, poop doesnt stink at all, etc..

                      I know what im talkin about here..
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                      • WarChild
                        Let slip the dogs of war.
                        • Jan 2003
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                        #12
                        I have three rescued Rottweilers. It's one female in particular that has the problems.

                        As for your raw diet mumbo jumbo, not really my thing. The dogs get surgery and not acupuncture too. My dogs eat a prescription Fish and Potato diet for skin and coat managment that my sister, a board certified and practicing Veterinarian wants them on. With all due respect, no amount of anecdotal experience you have with raw diets is ever going to measure up.

                        Perhaps more specifically, no diet is going to stop breed trait problems, in this case dysplasia and cruciate ligament problems.
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                        • xxweekxx
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                          #13
                          well 99% of vets recommend dry food cause thats all they know/taught..

                          go to a holistic vet and see whats up..

                          By the way potatoes have no place in a dog or humans diet.. but yea whatever floats your boat. its your dog. good luck
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                          • WarChild
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                            • Jan 2003
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by xxweekxx
                            well 99% of vets recommend dry food cause thats all they know/taught..

                            go to a holistic vet and see whats up..

                            By the way potatoes have no place in a dog or humans diet.. but yea whatever floats your boat. its your dog. good luck
                            Not a big holistic fan, that's just a personal thing. Some people buy in to that and it works well for them, but it's not for me.

                            My food bills for ~ 350 pounds of Rottweilers (combined) is already pushing $500 a month. More Africans would have to starve for me to feed them straight meat!
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                            • Alky
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                              • Apr 2002
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                              #15
                              cavemen didn't eat grain... i don't think humans should eat grain any more either... we should just stick to meat and some fruits.


                              you act as if pets have not been domesticated and they are still on the hunt.

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                              • Alky
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                                • Apr 2002
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by WarChild
                                cruciate ligament problems.
                                had to go to the vet the couple weeks ago, our vet thought our dog had a torn cruciate... we went to a orthopedic and turned out to be a ligament in the area that pulled away from the bone a little.

                                doc gave us 70% it would heal on its own, thankfully it did... that surgery would have been 2500, and if it had been the cruciate, the TPLO would have been 3500.

                                dogs get expensive.. haha.

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                                • xxweekxx
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Alky
                                  cavemen didn't eat grain... i don't think humans should eat grain any more either... we should just stick to meat and some fruits.


                                  you act as if pets have not been domesticated and they are still on the hunt.
                                  grain isnt good for us either.. go do your research on google..
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                                  • Alky
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by xxweekxx
                                    grain isnt good for us either.. go do your research on google..
                                    you missed the point completely.

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                                    • Madame0120
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                                      • Nov 2004
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                                      #19
                                      What has food got to do with it?
                                      Knee surgery 3 years ago $1500
                                      Knee surgery next week $5000


                                      Amazing what ppl will spend on a pet.

                                      Maybe I'm cruel, but a puppy that had to have knee surgury, wouldn't have left the Vet's office.
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                                      • Stephen McTowelie
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                                        #20
                                        Can you guys not get pet insurance in the states then ?
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                                        • MistressNirvana
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                                          #21
                                          Actually i don't know what VET will do a hip surgery to a puppy . If the dog really needs a hip implant , the best way is to wait until he stop growing , so his bones reach the maturity and then you take care of this . If not the implant will be way to small for the big mature bones , and will loose it and then again you have to put the dog for surgery .
                                          I have a mix of Maremanno ( Toscany shepard ) with New Found Land , huge dog , almost 60 Kg and needs hips implant which is about 5000 € , thats very expensive , i would not say i ain't gonna pay this price , but i decided to go for other options : 1 . I feed the dog only with Royal canin ( size health , which makes him loose some weight ) and Spa for dogs ( running under the water , makes his muscles stronger to keep the hop together ) .
                                          I have to add , he was born with this hip dysplasia .

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                                          • StaceyJo
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                                            #22
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                                            • rip raster
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                                              #23
                                              shit Damon I'm really sorry to hear that your dog is needing more surgery, hopefully she will not need any more after this,

                                              What brand of dog food is it that you are feeding them, and is it readily available in most pet food stores.

                                              We were feeding our dogs Innova Puppy Food until they were 8 or 9 months old and then switched to the adult Innova Evo that they are still on today. The food is an organic all natural human grade no grain dry food.They are almost 3 now in great shape and have never had any health issues. their coats are soft and shinny, one being so soft that it resembles rabbit fur.


                                              I know how stressfull surgery can be for you and your dog and I hope all goes well with that

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                                              • Mssimpson
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                                                #24
                                                If you're actually going to pay that then they should put you down along with your dog

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                                                • Holly
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                                                  #25
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                                                  • Holly
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Mssimpson
                                                    If you're actually going to pay that then they should put you down along with your dog
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                                                    • Celeb Fan
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by WarChild
                                                      Hip surgery as a puppy $2000
                                                      Knee surgery 3 years ago $1500
                                                      Knee surgery next week $5000
                                                      Holy shit!


                                                      dogs are worthless.

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                                                      • candyflip
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by WarChild
                                                        I have three rescued Rottweilers. It's one female in particular that has the problems.

                                                        As for your raw diet mumbo jumbo, not really my thing. The dogs get surgery and not acupuncture too. My dogs eat a prescription Fish and Potato diet for skin and coat managment that my sister, a board certified and practicing Veterinarian wants them on. With all due respect, no amount of anecdotal experience you have with raw diets is ever going to measure up.
                                                        Why's the surgery so much if your sister is your vet? We get a deal just because my vet is a friend, I'm sure your sis can cut you some slack on a $5000 surgery.

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                                                        • Grapesoda
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by xxweekxx
                                                          its my moms dog.. german shepherd.

                                                          shepards are known for their hip problems

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                                                          • WarChild
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                                                            • Jan 2003
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by MistressNirvana
                                                            Actually i don't know what VET will do a hip surgery to a puppy . If the dog really needs a hip implant , the best way is to wait until he stop growing , so his bones reach the maturity and then you take care of this . If not the implant will be way to small for the big mature bones , and will loose it and then again you have to put the dog for surgery .
                                                            I have a mix of Maremanno ( Toscany shepard ) with New Found Land , huge dog , almost 60 Kg and needs hips implant which is about 5000 ? , thats very expensive , i would not say i ain't gonna pay this price , but i decided to go for other options : 1 . I feed the dog only with Royal canin ( size health , which makes him loose some weight ) and Spa for dogs ( running under the water , makes his muscles stronger to keep the hop together ) .
                                                            I have to add , he was born with this hip dysplasia .
                                                            When she was 9 months old she had dysplasia so badly she couldn't walk, she was hunched over and dragging herself with her front paws. She got FHO, not implants. It was more like a salvage surgery.
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                                                            • WarChild
                                                              Let slip the dogs of war.
                                                              • Jan 2003
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by candyflip
                                                              Why's the surgery so much if your sister is your vet? We get a deal just because my vet is a friend, I'm sure your sis can cut you some slack on a $5000 surgery.
                                                              My sister's on maternity leave and she doesn't own the clinic she works for, so what she can discount me on is limited in terms of surgery. Also, TPLO is a highly specialized orthapedic surgery that she's not yet qualified for.
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                                                              • Phoenix
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                                                                #32
                                                                that sucks..i think there is an animal health insurance you can buy

                                                                might be cheaper?
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                                                                • WarChild
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                                                                  • Jan 2003
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Pre existing problems are never covered by health insurance. A rottweiler with Dysplacia _IS_ going to be expensive, so no insurance company will take that on.

                                                                  Remember, these are rescued dogs, this one in particular form Costa Rica. Bad genes, bad breeding, bad everything.
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                                                                  • Bama
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    I would have given that dog a kiss on the nose and said "time for you to go into the light"!

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                                                                    • Anna_Miller
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Sorry to hear your dog has to keep going in for surgeries. Big dogs commonly have hips problems. We have 2 labs that are on $100s of meds a month thyroid, anti-seizure meds, etc. They improve our quality of life, so I'll spend the money to improve theirs!

                                                                      I doubt it would have prevented the hip surgery but have you ever tried Glucosamine & Chondroitin? We started our pups on it a few years ago and ever since the larger one has been much more frisky. Can tell its helping her joints.

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                                                                      • waz
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        lot of money...i've had 7 dogs now and only money i've had to spend on them was getting two fixed/what ever you call it for the females.

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                                                                        • GAMEFINEST
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                                                                          shit does get expensive, hope it works out
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                                                                          • mattz
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Wow that's a lot of money

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                                                                            • sniperwolf
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              ouch, that's a lot of money!
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                                                                              • CherryLipsRosa
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                                                                                Poor dog ! surgery sucks
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                                                                                • G-Rotica
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Don't get me wrong, I love my dogs. But when they start costing that kind of money, I can get a bullet and another dog that looks just like them, for a lot less.

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                                                                                  • CDSmith
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    My old dog (collie-husky cross) lived to be over 17 yrs old, I fed him a diet of high-end dry dog food and often mixed in a little extra meat scraps, rice, whatever, mixed with a little warm broth or water. The fact that he lived healthy for years longer than most dogs says I did something right. In all those years I did have to get his teeth scaled and a lump removed from his face which required a general anaestetic. Also had him fixed when he was about 1 and a half yrs old.

                                                                                    All that and all his vet visits combined added up to just under $2k... but in my view a dog is part of the family very much like a child to a lot of dog owners. If Warchild wants to spring for his pooch's surgery then I say bravo. Too bad there aren't more pet owners who care enough to do what it takes to provide their animal with good health care.

                                                                                    Of course there will always be haters who just don't get that and never will.
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                                                                                    • stickyfingerz
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                                      My old dog (collie-husky cross) lived to be over 17 yrs old, I fed him a diet of high-end dry dog food and often mixed in a little extra meat scraps, rice, whatever, mixed with a little warm broth or water. The fact that he lived healthy for years longer than most dogs says I did something right. In all those years I did have to get his teeth scaled and a lump removed from his face which required a general anaestetic. Also had him fixed when he was about 1 and a half yrs old.

                                                                                      All that and all his vet visits combined added up to just under $2k... but in my view a dog is part of the family very much like a child to a lot of dog owners. If Warchild wants to spring for his pooch's surgery then I say bravo. Too bad there aren't more pet owners who care enough to do what it takes to provide their animal with good health care.

                                                                                      Of course there will always be haters who just don't get that and never will.
                                                                                      My mutt I got at the humane society for 25.00 had Parvo when I got her. She was 6 weeks old. The pound told me she was in good health, the vet a week or 2 later disagreed. She was even running a temperature and they told me it was normal.

                                                                                      So after things coming out both ends for a few days she went off to the vet. She was on iv there for 3 days, and this is back when I was fairly poor. So I was sitting looking at around 90.00 per day. On day 4 I called in ready to tell them to put her to sleep, and they told me she was well and to come in and get her. So now 12 1/2 years later she is still playful as ever and always my loyal buddy. Haven't taken her to the vet since. Not for a checkup not for anything as the only issues she has had since is occasional blockages which I solved by giving her some cooked ground beef and rice. She has done just fine off Ole Roy dog food from walmart. She is part lab and part terrier and I love her. I would do whatever I could to keep her healthy, but 8 grand is a bit excessive especially at her age now. Moral of the story is stick to mutts. Bred dogs are racked with issues.

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                                                                                      • CDSmith
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                                                                                        , but 8 grand is a bit excessive especially at her age now.
                                                                                        Warchild can afford it, apparently, and his dog is worth it, to him anyway. I know if my dog's vet had ever told me an operation was needed and going to cost me several thousand I'd have paid it without a second thought. Wouldn't trade the years I had with him for anything.


                                                                                        Btw nice pooch you have there.
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                                                                                        • miss_jody
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          ouchies!!!!
                                                                                          my dog tore both acl's = 5k a piece
                                                                                          you don't have pet insurance?

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                                                                                          • BusterBunny
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by bm bradley
                                                                                            shepards are known for their hip problems
                                                                                            yep my first guess was lab with german shepard in second when i started reading
                                                                                            my sig caught gonoherpasyphilaids and died

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                                                                                            • bronco67
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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              These kind of horror stories made me get pet insurance when I got my pup about 6 months ago. 30 bucks month.

                                                                                              I look at it this way...would I rather spend $2000 in five years for nothing, or $2000 in 5 minutes because of a swallowed stick. I'll take the five year plan, cause chances are good that my dog will get sick or injured -- and he's turning out to be a little neckbreaker.
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                                                                                              • Sly
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                I personally am not huge into spending massive amounts of money on pets... but I see no reason for some of the comments in this thread. Good God, I can be a cold asshole sometimes but messing with somebody's loved ones, human or animal, you just shut up and move along.

                                                                                                Good luck with the surgery, hope it helps.
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                                                                                                • tony299
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  I dont have the patience for raw but it is the best thing you can feed your dog. May your dog have a speedy recovery

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                                                                                                  • WarChild
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                                                                                                    • Jan 2003
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by miss_jody
                                                                                                    ouchies!!!!
                                                                                                    my dog tore both acl's = 5k a piece
                                                                                                    you don't have pet insurance?
                                                                                                    I wish. She's a rescued Rottweiler. She literally came from a street corner in Costa Rica. Her genes are pretty much terrible.
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