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quiet · 03-09-2003, 02:52 PM

two hundred

Serge_Oprano · 03-09-2003, 04:17 PM

From Oprano & Forest with love...

bhutocracy · 03-09-2003, 04:44 PM

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Originally posted by CDSmith

I understand Aussies have been very dissatisfied with their government for quite a few years now, but it's one thing to despise your government....it's quite another to hate your country.

we love our country.. we just don't have as much invested in our flag.. not that we haven't fought the same wars under it, just the only time you'll sell flags is at the olympics or something.. I don't know whether it's a lack of idolatry, patriotism being the last refuge of the scoundrel, or the fact that theres another fucking country's flag in the the corner of ours

Someone burning the aussie flag in australia would just been seen as a try-hard.. not even a bastard or a wanker.. they'd just get laughed off as rent-a-protest uni students copying what they see happen to the US flag on the news. To be honest.. we probably just can't understand what the flag means to you because less people have spent their time wrapping themselves in it. Hell our national colours are green and gold and don't even match lol..

I wish our national anthem was better though.. the US anthem is awesome compared to Advance Australia Fair. "I still call australia home" is proabably another contender.. and that men at work song "i come from a land downunder" would probably pull double digit % votes LOL..

DavePlays · 03-09-2003, 04:50 PM

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Originally posted by Gman.357

HOLY FUCK! I just noticed your fuckin sig you anachist bastard!

People like old Joe there just carve attention.

When they connot get positive attention, they go for negative attention... Classic case. Probably neglected as a child and should not be taken seriously.

DavePlays · 03-09-2003, 04:56 PM

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Originally posted by Juggernaut

That comment is rather obscure. You can identify social trends and values within one or two days. After a month you have a pretty firm grasp of what the people and government is like. Time allows you to have more experience with things that happen yearly or by every decade.

You don't need to see each season to know how people are. But I have, and I think I have a firm understanding on how American people are.

You could not be more wrong.

I live in West Virginia - from here to California is like another world, they hardly speak the same language as we do. I assure you, you would be amazed at the difference.

Then go to the Ozark mountains and meet the people there, and tell me they are ANYTHING like the people in New England, or Florida. -

You are really off the mark on this one - trust me.

Wilbo · 03-09-2003, 05:15 PM

Where in WV do you live DavePlays?

Serge_Oprano · 03-09-2003, 06:26 PM

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Originally posted by DavePlays

People like old Joe there just carve attention.

When they connot get positive attention, they go for negative attention... Classic case. Probably neglected as a child and should not be taken seriously.

damn...it's so hard to find punching bag on GFY,
so when one comes along,
he should be cherished
;-)))

Groove · 03-09-2003, 06:27 PM

There's nothing wrong with a bit of flag burning or political assassination

It's all in good fun! Here in Sydney people are paying to see our Priminiature killed every night

From today's Sydney Morning Herald:

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Stage floor Johnny

Don't want to go to war with Iraq? Hate the policy on refugees? Or just sick of the PM's beetling brows? Comedian Rod Quantock has a solution: he kills the Prime Minister of Australia every night on the stage as part of his show Sun, Sex & Sydition (at the Riverside Theatre, Parramatta, next Thursday to Saturday). It's a ritual slaughter which Quantock insists he doesn't enjoy but views as a duty to his country.

"It's instant and as painless as anything can be," he told Spike yesterday. "Have you ever tortured a cockroach? No, you wouldn't bother. Not that I'm drawing a comparison between Howard and a cockroach, of course."

While Quantock kills the PM only one way - which he will only describe as "crushing" - he's considering diversifying his methods. "Once it's done, there's a general sense in the audience: why didn't he ask me up to do it?"

DavePlays · 03-09-2003, 07:19 PM

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Originally posted by Wilbo
Where in WV do you live DavePlays?

15 minutes north of Charleston.

Wilbo · 03-09-2003, 07:25 PM

I used to live in the Eastern Panhandle........I still have that house there for the weekends. I lived there from Oct. 98 to Feb. 2000 when I got married and my wife refused to live 2 miles from a paved road.

Juggernaut · 03-09-2003, 07:57 PM

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Originally posted by DavePlays

You could not be more wrong.

I live in West Virginia - from here to California is like another world, they hardly speak the same language as we do. I assure you, you would be amazed at the difference.

Then go to the Ozark mountains and meet the people there, and tell me they are ANYTHING like the people in New England, or Florida. -

You are really off the mark on this one - trust me.

Jesus. I was typing about the people as a whole. I've been to well over 30 states, I know that in every state, American people are different. I was referring to your ideals, principles and goals.

Americans; no matter where they are, have the same invested interest in their flag and the "symbols" of your country. I said, I thought it was simple minded to have that level of emotions in an abstract notion like a flag.

Especially when you're all complaining about JoeSixpack when you already regard him as the lesser person. Why would it bother you?

Just after the WTC attack, I noticed a change in the US, everyone in the US instantly put up the flag as if to show their country's pride? so that's it, eh, people? only when something goes wrong will you show your true colours?

A lot of you argue about "armchair" experts. If you're using that flag of yours to show your identity, fine. When you put your flag up only the times you support your country, I think you're more shallow than the government that runs you.

Pride should be a 100% of the time thing, not just when it makes you feel better about trivial shit. I saw that commercial too "they wanted to change America... well they did (insert image of small amount of flags on houses to ridiculous amounts of flags on houses)"

How fucking convenient. Who are you showing by the way? your own neighbor? who is already an American... yeah that's taking real action for your country. The truth be known, you don't really give all that much of a shit about your flag.

Be patriotic all you like on an internet forum. We know the truth.

Anthony_A · 03-09-2003, 08:45 PM

Hrmmmm, in a little place I grew up called Philadelphia, flags were always flying. Might have to be something to do with the U.S.'s birthplace and all.

When Desert Storm came, I remember being stuck in traffic with my window down and High School Kids were out protesting the war, with their flags, their cards saying no war for oil. I was in full Dress Whites, with my cover on. I even had that went as far as stick their hand in and say "Give Peace a chance" into my car, and then follow up, come home safely.

You say you didn't see flags up, but a rash of them did go up after WTC... Well, Duh? It's called National Pride and a way for us to show our solidarity and sorrow at what happened.

Do not hate Americans because we are proud of our Country. Because we will put our hands over our hearts when our Anthem is being played. Because we as a country can put aside our differences for what we believe in.

My parents came to the United States educated but poor. They worked hard for what they have and raised children outside a 3rd World Country. I would not have the chance I have today if it were not for the United States. I have a cousin of the same age, who did not get out. He died due to poor medical treatment.

So would I fight and die for the United States of Amercia? I put my time in 1988 to 2002.

If I was asked by my country, I would serve again. I know though that the capable servicemen and women we now have can do the job.

That's part of what being an American is. Loving our country for the chance we would never have anywhere else.

Hate us or Love us, it really doesn't matter, I'm a American and proud of it.

Juggernaut · 03-09-2003, 09:09 PM

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Originally posted by Anthony_A
Do not hate Americans because we are proud of our Country. Because we will put our hands over our hearts when our Anthem is being played. Because we as a country can put aside our differences for what we belive in.

I don't hate Americans. I hate the government. I just think a lot of the people who represent America on this board, don't even know what they're fighting for, all they know; is how to defend a "common enemy" -> non-Americans.

A patriotic American is a simple minded American. Ask the most who went to Vietnam, they still don't know why the fuck they went there... and they're even more depressed because their country threw them to the gutters when they came home.

I think to be an allied soldier in these times, is to be a naive person. I would never allow myself to help uphold the goals of one man. Especially a man who hasn't even seen war.

Groove · 03-09-2003, 09:10 PM

There's a fine line between patriotism and nationalism. The former is cool the latter sucks!

George W's administration is sounding a LOT like the latter (eg you're either with us or your against us!) and that makes most citizens of other countries extremely nervous.

Sly_RJ · 03-09-2003, 09:15 PM

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Originally posted by Juggernaut

I would never allow myself to help uphold the goals of one man. Especially a man who hasn't even seen war.

Not even Lincoln?

DavePlays · 03-09-2003, 09:18 PM

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Originally posted by Juggernaut

Jesus. I was typing about the people as a whole. I've been to well over 30 states, I know that in every state, American people are different. I was referring to your ideals, principles and goals.

Americans; no matter where they are, have the same invested interest in their flag and the "symbols" of your country. I said, I thought it was simple minded to have that level of emotions in an abstract notion like a flag.

Especially when you're all complaining about JoeSixpack when you already regard him as the lesser person. Why would it bother you?

Just after the WTC attack, I noticed a change in the US, everyone in the US instantly put up the flag as if to show their country's pride? so that's it, eh, people? only when something goes wrong will you show your true colours?

A lot of you argue about "armchair" experts. If you're using that flag of yours to show your identity, fine. When you put your flag up only the times you support your country, I think you're more shallow than the government that runs you.

Pride should be a 100% of the time thing, not just when it makes you feel better about trivial shit. I saw that commercial too "they wanted to change America... well they did (insert image of small amount of flags on houses to ridiculous amounts of flags on houses)"

How fucking convenient. Who are you showing by the way? your own neighbor? who is already an American... yeah that's taking real action for your country. The truth be known, you don't really give all that much of a shit about your flag.

Be patriotic all you like on an internet forum. We know the truth.

SO - where are YOU from that the people have no respect for their flag or the symboles of their country?

Just courious.....

Juggernaut · 03-09-2003, 09:20 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

Not even Lincoln?

It's 2003. Last I checked, slavery is long gone in first world countries.

Sly_RJ · 03-09-2003, 09:22 PM

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Originally posted by Juggernaut

It's 2003. Last I checked, slavery is long gone in first world countries.

And what does that have to do with your sweeping statement that I quoted above?

Juggernaut · 03-09-2003, 09:23 PM

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Originally posted by DavePlays

SO - where are YOU from that the people have no respect for their flag or the symboles of their country?

Just courious.....

My location states "Australia". But I live in the US almost as much as I do here.

Australians don't get choked up when we see our flag, burning or otherwise.

Juggernaut · 03-09-2003, 09:25 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

And what does that have to do with your sweeping statement that I quoted above?

You quoted Lincoln. You're the one that went left with that argument, in order to try and show how much I do or do not know about America.

DavePlays · 03-09-2003, 09:26 PM

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Originally posted by Juggernaut

Australians don't get choked up when we see our flag, burning or otherwise.

I can understand that.....

No real reason too huh?

Sly_RJ · 03-09-2003, 09:27 PM

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Originally posted by Juggernaut

You quoted Lincoln. You're the one that went left with that argument, in order to try and show how much I do or do not know about America.

What? What are you talking about? I couldn't care less what you do or do not know about America.

Juggernaut · 03-09-2003, 09:28 PM

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Originally posted by DavePlays

I can understand that.....

No real reason too huh?

Australians have been at the side of America in every known conflict since and before WWII. Don't go there.

Juggernaut · 03-09-2003, 09:29 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

What? What are you talking about? I couldn't care less what you do or do not know about America.

You're not making any sense. What was your point? - What has Lincoln got to do with what is happening today?

Sly_RJ · 03-09-2003, 09:31 PM

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Originally posted by Juggernaut

You're not making any sense. What was your point? - What has Lincoln got to do with what is happening today?

You made the following quote:

"I would never allow myself to help uphold the goals of one man. Especially a man who hasn't even seen war. "

I asked if this statement would have also been true if Lincoln were calling the shots. Say, 150 years ago.

Juggernaut · 03-09-2003, 09:33 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

You made the following quote:

"I would never allow myself to help uphold the goals of one man. Especially a man who hasn't even seen war. "

I asked if this statement would have also been true if Lincoln were calling the shots. Say, 150 years ago.

Sure. But it's 2003. My statements reflect my time.

DavePlays · 03-09-2003, 09:33 PM

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Originally posted by Juggernaut

Australians have been at the side of America in every known conflict since and before WWII. Don't go there.

So why don't you understand respecting your flag and your national symbols? - And why do you say you don't?

I personally, don't care if someone here burns a flag - I figure it's our right.

I have absolutly no respect for anyone that would - too damn many Americans have died for what that symbol stands for.

So why be so disrespectful?

Who does it impress when you are?

Groove · 03-09-2003, 09:36 PM

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Originally posted by DavePlays
So why don't you understand respecting your flag and your national symbols? - And why do you say you don't?

I personally, don't care if someone here burns a flag - I figure it's our right.

I have absolutly no respect for anyone that would - too damn many Americans have died for what that symbol stands for.

So why be so disrespectful?

Who does it impress when you are?

Serge asked a similar question earlier in this thread.

I replied:

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Originally posted by Groove

Serge, I'd say most Aussies are VERY proud to be Australian. But we tend to be much less fervently patriotic than Americans. I expect most Aussies would simply see a flag burning as a shallow attempt to provoke a reaction. Sure some might take the bait, but I doubt anyone would view it as a mortal insult.

That said, Joe claims to be very familiar with US culture and if that's true he would've known many Americans would be grossly insulted by a burning US flag. So I think the sig was pretty fucking stupid! Most people come onto GFY hoping to form some relationships, have a laugh, learn some shit and hopefully do some business. So why would anyone in their right mind do something that would inevitably piss-off so many people? Joe can you explain that to me?

BTW, I never got a reply out of Joe

DavePlays · 03-09-2003, 09:42 PM

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Originally posted by Groove

BTW, I never got a reply out of Joe

I think it is just a matter of craving attention.

If he can't get positive attention - he will take negitive attention.

It is kinda sad really. He walks alone.

I know he does not represent the average Austrailian.

Juggernaut · 03-09-2003, 09:46 PM

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Originally posted by DavePlays
So why be so disrespectful?

Disrespectful? I respect individuals, I do not respect a flag. I don't bow down to whatever my government tells me. I am supposed to drop everything and follow orders? fuck no.

I believe the American government is giving out orders... if you don't agree, you must be against them. That couldn't be further from the truth.

DavePlays · 03-09-2003, 09:53 PM

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Originally posted by Juggernaut

Disrespectful? I respect individuals, I do not respect a flag. I don't bow down to whatever my government tells me. I am supposed to drop everything and follow orders? fuck no.

I believe the American government is giving out orders... if you don't agree, you must be against them. That couldn't be further from the truth.

You don't seem to understand there are a lot of Veterans who would tell you that in disrespecting their flag, you are disrespecting them.

And if that is the way they feel - why not just respect that, and why do something you know is insulting to them?

You say you don't disrespect the people - but you most certainly are.

Anthony_A · 03-09-2003, 11:07 PM

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Originally posted by DavePlays

You don't seem to understand there are a lot of Veterans who would tell you that in disrespecting their flag, you are disrespecting them.

And if that is the way they feel - why not just respect that, and why do something you know is insulting to them?

You say you don't disrespect the people - but you most certainly are.

I couldn't have said it better.

Hot Tropical Babes · 03-10-2003, 12:56 AM

Damn, with all the haterz out there, we sure have alot of tourists

They can burn it, stomp it, but they will never take it away. Be sure to watch when the dust settles, You will See it standing Proud and Free. Its not about cloth, its about what it stands for. Just wait mister suxpack, you think you are free of terrorism? are you comfortable? The winds can change at any moment in this world.

Joe Sixpack · 03-10-2003, 01:04 AM

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Originally posted by Groove

BTW, I never got a reply out of Joe

I've already stated my virtual flag burning is a symbolic form of protest. I'm tired at US warmongering and the way the impending deaths of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians is laughed about and cheereed. I don't dispute the fact that the USA is the strongest and richest nation on the planet? So what? It's certainly not the most humble or cultured or even responsible. It's going to walk into a country and simply bomb the shit out of it, just like it has done many times before... not to help the people or for any noble humanitarian reason but for greedy, self-interested economic reasons. I realize greed is a way of life in the USA but as far as I'm concerned stepping over others (and that includes other countries) in the pursuit of material gain or increased global political power is simply wrong. Supporters of war here rave on about Saddam being such an evil dictator but in reality he's just a regional tinpot dictator. Besides, if the need to remove him from power is so great why have they waited 13 years to do it. it's just political opportunism at its most blatant. Tie in the war on terrorism like Bush has done and make Saddam a terrorist, tell the populace he's got weapons of mass destruction when there is no chance any of the weapons he has could reach any US territory and he is no more dangerous than more than a dozen other rogue nations and you've cleverly manouvered yourself into a position where you can wage war for economic reasons at the same time giving the impression that you are doing it in the name of your own security and safety. It's such a blatant smokescreen I'm surprised so many people have gotten sucked in by it. But there will always be conformists. Sucked in by the mass media, unable to think for themselves, dazzled by professionally written Presidential speeches and waving flags. No one was cheering here on September 11, 2001 when a few thousand innocent civilians were killed. But the impending deaths of thousands of Iraqi's could easily be avoided by contiued economic and diplomatic pressure on a country that is already buckling at the knees from over a decade of harsh economic sanctions.

With regards to the burning flag... if you don't like it - tough. This board is called Go Fuck Yourself and this is my way of saying Go Fuck Yourself to a bully nation. Unlike Serge and theking I've never lowered myself and initiated personal attacks (that were anything other than a joke) and have never mocked the death of any individual, let alone someone who is related to a person on this board. Their cowardly behaviour has hardened my resolve. They've revealed their achilles heal and I'm now immune to their puerile attacks because their motivation is clear. So if you don't like it, Go Fuck Yourself. It's your problem, not mine. I'm exercising my right to protest and freedom of speech at the same time. Go burn the Australian flag... it won't bother me. I'm not simple minded enough to invest emotion in carefully crafted symbollic emblems. If there's any patriotic spirit in my body I don't feel the need to recite a pledge or salute a flag or put my hand over my heart at the sounds of the national anthem. It's something a lot simpler and unspoken not a loud obnoxious "We're the greatest!" communal display of arrogance.

There's your reply, Groove.

Hot Tropical Babes · 03-10-2003, 01:13 AM

Well his weapons wont reach us yet, and the keyword is "YET". He needs to be ousted quickly. It should of been done 12 years ago. He tortures his own people, rapes the women to instill fear in their husbands, brothers, children. His son tortures their olympic teams (dismemberment). He is a terroist. The terrorist dont care how many innocent people they kill or mame. Yeah there is going to be innocent people in the line of fire. But they are in "his" line of fire now.

Joe Sixpack · 03-10-2003, 01:24 AM

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Originally posted by Hot Tropical Babes
Well his weapons wont reach us yet, and the keyword is "YET". He needs to be ousted quickly. It should of been done 12 years ago. He tortures his own people, rapes the women to instill fear in their husbands, brothers, children. His son tortures their olympic teams (dismemberment). He is a terroist. The terrorist dont care how many innocent people they kill or mame. Yeah there is going to be innocent people in the line of fire. But they are in "his" line of fire now.

Where is your evidence for any of this?

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He tortures his own people, rapes the women to instill fear in their husbands, brothers, children.

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His son tortures their olympic teams (dismemberment).

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He is a terroist.

This is all just classic demonization of the enemy. it's all just rationalisation. I'm not saying that Saddam is the nicest guy on the face of the planet but this is all just propaganda. If you can back it up then please, go right ahead. But don't pretend you are doing this because you want to save the Iraqi people from a sadistic dictator, because that's quite dishonest. It's not just guys in the white hats doing battle with the baddies in the black hats. Are you really that naive? Basically, you couldn't give a shit about the millions of towel heads in the middle-east and we all know this so why are you pretending otherwise. There are a dozen countries in Africa alone that are havens of human rights abuses. Why not go after them... or how about China?

I'm just staggered that supposedly intelligent people can swallow this kind of propaganda so freely.

theking · 03-10-2003, 01:56 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Sixpack

I've already stated my virtual flag burning is a symbolic form of protest.

A lie. You are for nothing, you believe in nothing, you are about nothing, you are nothing more than a troll, period.

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Unlike Serge and theking I've never lowered myself and initiated personal attacks (that were anything other than a joke) and have never mocked the death of any individual, let alone someone who is related to a person on this board.

Another lie.

Joe Sixpack · 03-10-2003, 01:59 AM

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Originally posted by theking

Another lie.

You're just a sad, pathetic middle-aged conformist living with your mother. Unless you really are Pathfinder.

Either way, I pity you.

theking · 03-10-2003, 02:12 AM

Over the years I have personally seen interviewed on TV forty or fifty Iraqi's that have escaped from Iraq that claim to have been tortured by Iraqi officials in many inventive ways. Many of them bore the physical results of the torture they endured.

Just a couple of nights ago I watched a documentary on the History channel about the life of Saddam from childhood, his rise to power within his political party, the political party, the methods used in his rise to power, the methods used after his rise to power, detailed accounts about personal assasinations done by Saddam, the methods of torture that are employed, interviews of people that had been tortured etc. But of course the documentary was all lies. All of the people that claim to have been tortured, have witnessed their wives being raped, the eyes of their children being gouged out, the acid baths etc. are all lies. Saddam and his regime are really nice guys and everyone just makes up all of these lies about him.

Saddam supports terrorists in Palestine and it is just a short leap to support UBL and his group, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".

Joe Sixpack · 03-10-2003, 02:16 AM

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Originally posted by theking
Over the years I have personally seen interviewed on TV forty or fifty Iraqi's that have escaped from Iraq that claim to have been tortured by Iraqi officials in many inventive ways. Many of them bore the physical results of the torture they endured.

Just a couple of nights ago I watched a documentary on the History channel about the life of Saddam from childhood, his rise to power within his political party, the political party, the methods used in his rise to power, the methods used after his rise to power, detailed accounts about personal assasinations done by Saddam, the methods of torture that are employed, interviews of people that had been tortured etc. But of course the documentary was all lies. All of the people that claim to have been tortured, have witnessed their wives being raped, the eyes of their children being gouged out, the acid baths etc. are all lies. Saddam and his regime are really nice guys and everyone just makes up all of these lies about him.

Saddam supports terrorists in Palestine and it is just a short leap to support UBL and his group, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".

And you support terrorists in Israel. Your country executes people too... hundreds every year. I never said Saddam was a saint but don't pretend you're going to war for the Iraqi people. That's the biggest lie of all. You support regimes that are just as bad as Saddam's because it suits your needs and is in your economic interests. If it wasn't for September 11 you'd still be supporting the Taliban. You're so fucking blind you can't even see the blatant hypocrisy. Nationalism is nasty. It's started almost every war since time began and you're consumed by it.

Like I said, I pity you.

Gman.357 · 03-10-2003, 02:21 AM

Joe, even if your "symbolic" flagburning gif is just a mere metaphore for your protest of the American position on Iraq, why choose it as such?

You're a fairly intelligent person. You know that we Americans value the symbolic representation that our flag signifies. Correct? You know that it's more than just a piece of cloth to us. We were raised to value what it stands for. To respect it's meaning (not just the flag as an object, but what it means to this nation). With that being said, you have just exposed yourself as a hipocrite.

In many other threads, you have stated over and over again that one flaw you couldn't stand about americans is our lack of respect and understanding of people from other nations. Yet, knowing what you know about our loyalty and compassion for what our flag means to us, you have chosen to use it like our enemies in your symbolic protest by showing it aflame. So where's the respect and understanding for OUR people? If it's our policies you have a problem with, show a gif of our president on fire or something, not our fuckin flag. Our flag stands for something far deeper than you obviously understand about our culture. It's called PRIDE.

Joe Sixpack · 03-10-2003, 02:24 AM

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Originally posted by Gman.357
Joe, even if your "symbolic" flagburning gif is just a mere metaphore for your protest of the American position on Iraq, why choose it as such?

You're a fairly intelligent person. You know that we Americans value the symbolic representation that our flag signifies. Correct? You know that it's more than just a piece of cloth to us. We were raised to value what it stands for. To respect it's meaning (not just the flag as an object, but what it means to this nation). With that being said, you have just exposed yourself as a hipocrite.

In many other threads, you have stated over and over again that one flaw you couldn't stand about americans is our lack of respect and understanding of people from other nations. Yet, knowing what you know about our loyalty and compassion for what our flag means to us, you have chosen to use it like our enemies in your symbolic protest by showing it aflame. So where's the respect and understanding for OUR people? If it's our policies you have a problem with, show a gif of our president on fire or something, not our fuckin flag. Our flag stands for something far deeper than you obviously understand about our culture. It's called PRIDE.

Alright, for the moment I've taken it down.

I've made my point.

I've also learnt a huge amount about Americans and specifically certain people on this board from having it up.

iwantchixx · 03-10-2003, 02:27 AM

oh cry me a fucking river, this is a free world right?

Gman.357 · 03-10-2003, 02:28 AM

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Originally posted by iwantchixx
oh cry me a fucking river, this is a free world right?

Wrong. In many places in this world, freedom is not an option.

Gman.357 · 03-10-2003, 02:30 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Sixpack

Alright, for the moment I've taken it down.

I've made my point.

I've also learnt a huge amount about Americans and specifically certain people on this board from having it up.

Well you're a bigger man than I thought.

Joe Sixpack · 03-10-2003, 02:33 AM

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Originally posted by Gman.357

Wrong. In many places in this world, freedom is not an option.

For my views on this board I've been photoshopped being fucked by Saddam, sucking Manny's cock, threatened with death, beatings, abused and had people mock and ridicule the death of my spouse. These are just the things I can think of off the top of my head. Every single one of these people were Americans.

This is the end result of your extreme, nasty, arrogant version of nationalism. All for doing something your own First Amendment guarantees your own citizens. This isn't freedom, it's a mockery of freedom.

You say it's all about pride, you even capitalised the whole word. Shouldn't it be all about humility?

iwantchixx · 03-10-2003, 02:35 AM

what does your flag stand for? what does it reason? I'm quite curious to see what your history books have taught.

theking · 03-10-2003, 02:47 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Sixpack

And you support terrorists in Israel.

Your definition not mine. Israel is reactive.

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Your country executes people too... hundreds every year.

Educate me please??

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I never said Saddam was a saint but don't pretend you're going to war for the Iraqi people. That's the biggest lie of all.

I don't. I do understand that a short war will take fewer Iraqi lives in the long run then to allow Saddam and/or his party to remain in power for whatever indefinite period of time. In addition if we suceed in establishing a democratic republic their future lives will be greatly improved.

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You support regimes that are just as bad as Saddam's because it suits your needs and is in your economic interests.

We have supported some that we should not have, for longer periods than we should have. Mistakes have been made, but usually because of the "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". This happened frequently during the "cold war", this has also happened with the war on drugs etc. We have not had perfect leaders that have always made perfect decisions, and never will.

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If it wasn't for September 11 you'd still be supporting the Taliban.

We never supported the Taliban for the sake of the Taliban. Itr was part of our "war on drugs".

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You're so fucking blind you can't even see the blatant hypocrisy.

Hypocrisy is alive and well. You are living proof troll.

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Nationalism is nasty. It's started almost every war since time began and you're consumed by it.

I am a "super patriot" and I do have "Nationalist" leanings. Quite proud of my country and its accomplishments in just a little over 200 years.

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Like I said, I pity you.

Save the pity for yourself troll.

Juggernaut · 03-10-2003, 02:48 AM

-= Webmasters fighting on webmaster boards is just like the special olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarted. =-

"retarted" when spelt correctly, actually looks like this: "retarded"

Quite frankly, I'm suprised you're not in touch with the word on a personal level.

You're just another lost soul who thinks whatever your President mumbles across the airwaves, is good enough.

iwantchixx · 03-10-2003, 02:53 AM

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Originally posted by Gman.357

Wrong. In many places in this world, freedom is not an option.

agreed, freedom is forced though, but only the version of freedom the governing bodies want citizens to have. North america is NOT free. You publicaly show your disaproval for anything, especialy a war, and your arested, nice freedom. In both Canada and the united states and Australia for that matter their history has been nothing less than bloody. Since settling on these 3 parcels of land there has been nothing but, rape, pillaging, theft, murdering for land rights, telling the aborigionals they don't own the land anymore, forcing them out withought a voice. All because these newbs to the land wanted "freedome" Aborigionals stood up and protested, faught, stood ground , and got gunned down, raped, torn to pieces... oh yes, I'm proud I have such freedom.... freedom of sitting right now on land that thousands of human beings had to die for so I can have this "freedom". Don;t go throwing that freedom around too much, because you never know when teh next "Settlers" come for "OUR" land and take it away so they may have "freedom" too.

All this my country vs your country bullshit on this baord is fuckign rediculous and un called for. From ANY side. Everyone has a right to their opinion under FREEDOM of speech, well if anyone from these countries wants to go on cock fighting about freedom, start from shutting your own fuckign mouths and respecting what people have pride in and what they felt FREE to express. As silly as a flag may be, it obviously means something to people so maybe respecting those freedoms of feelings too!

All everyone is doing is cock fighting just like everyoen in our history books have done for hundreds of years. All to prove stupid arrogant points and where has it landed us? in 2 world wars, rebelions, stupid civil wars, and now a possible third world war because so many people from our free countries can't keep their mouths shut and respect other country's freedoms as well as going out dictating what freedom should mean.

Jesus guys. all 3 of our countries have had bloody histories and have overcomed them and are all respected countries in this world, enough is fuckign enough. SHUT TEH FUCK UP AND MIND YORU OWN POLITICAL AND PATRIOTIC ideals to yourself unless you are prepared to be snafoozled on here. Imagine if every citizen carried on liek this, this planet would be nothing but embers. FUck sakes, joe, have respect for the fellow americans who have pride in their flag, go burn Bush or express your feelings about foreign policies in a more diplomatic and appropriate way. As for those who have theratened, attacked on baord and have retaliated, you have just made his points more solid, and to be truthfull, you were all being retarted.

Flame away, but rmeember, I don't care what you say. because yoru just one person in 8941782749823740973 million.

03-09-2003, 08:45 PM	#212
Anthony_A Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,219	Hrmmmm, in a little place I grew up called Philadelphia, flags were always flying. Might have to be something to do with the U.S.'s birthplace and all. When Desert Storm came, I remember being stuck in traffic with my window down and High School Kids were out protesting the war, with their flags, their cards saying no war for oil. I was in full Dress Whites, with my cover on. I even had that went as far as stick their hand in and say "Give Peace a chance" into my car, and then follow up, come home safely. You say you didn't see flags up, but a rash of them did go up after WTC... Well, Duh? It's called National Pride and a way for us to show our solidarity and sorrow at what happened. Do not hate Americans because we are proud of our Country. Because we will put our hands over our hearts when our Anthem is being played. Because we as a country can put aside our differences for what we believe in. My parents came to the United States educated but poor. They worked hard for what they have and raised children outside a 3rd World Country. I would not have the chance I have today if it were not for the United States. I have a cousin of the same age, who did not get out. He died due to poor medical treatment. So would I fight and die for the United States of Amercia? I put my time in 1988 to 2002. If I was asked by my country, I would serve again. I know though that the capable servicemen and women we now have can do the job. That's part of what being an American is. Loving our country for the chance we would never have anywhere else. Hate us or Love us, it really doesn't matter, I'm a American and proud of it. __________________ PAYBUYNET.COM Need Processing? Email me tony at paybuynet dot com ICQ 21239908 Last edited by Anthony_A; 03-09-2003 at 09:00 PM..

03-10-2003, 12:56 AM	#233
Hot Tropical Babes Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Orlando FL Posts: 3,014	Damn, with all the haterz out there, we sure have alot of tourists They can burn it, stomp it, but they will never take it away. Be sure to watch when the dust settles, You will See it standing Proud and Free. Its not about cloth, its about what it stands for. Just wait mister suxpack, you think you are free of terrorism? are you comfortable? The winds can change at any moment in this world. __________________ <BR> Trade with Big Tits TGP Trade with Titman

03-10-2003, 01:13 AM	#235
Hot Tropical Babes Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Orlando FL Posts: 3,014	Well his weapons wont reach us yet, and the keyword is "YET". He needs to be ousted quickly. It should of been done 12 years ago. He tortures his own people, rapes the women to instill fear in their husbands, brothers, children. His son tortures their olympic teams (dismemberment). He is a terroist. The terrorist dont care how many innocent people they kill or mame. Yeah there is going to be innocent people in the line of fire. But they are in "his" line of fire now. __________________ <BR> Trade with Big Tits TGP Trade with Titman

03-10-2003, 02:12 AM	#239
theking Nice Kitty Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The good old USA!!! Posts: 21,053	Over the years I have personally seen interviewed on TV forty or fifty Iraqi's that have escaped from Iraq that claim to have been tortured by Iraqi officials in many inventive ways. Many of them bore the physical results of the torture they endured. Just a couple of nights ago I watched a documentary on the History channel about the life of Saddam from childhood, his rise to power within his political party, the political party, the methods used in his rise to power, the methods used after his rise to power, detailed accounts about personal assasinations done by Saddam, the methods of torture that are employed, interviews of people that had been tortured etc. But of course the documentary was all lies. All of the people that claim to have been tortured, have witnessed their wives being raped, the eyes of their children being gouged out, the acid baths etc. are all lies. Saddam and his regime are really nice guys and everyone just makes up all of these lies about him. Saddam supports terrorists in Palestine and it is just a short leap to support UBL and his group, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". __________________ When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me! FOR THE LYING LOWLIFE POSTING AS PATHFINDER...https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...athfinder.html

03-10-2003, 02:21 AM	#241
Gman.357 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 2,796	Joe, even if your "symbolic" flagburning gif is just a mere metaphore for your protest of the American position on Iraq, why choose it as such? You're a fairly intelligent person. You know that we Americans value the symbolic representation that our flag signifies. Correct? You know that it's more than just a piece of cloth to us. We were raised to value what it stands for. To respect it's meaning (not just the flag as an object, but what it means to this nation). With that being said, you have just exposed yourself as a hipocrite. In many other threads, you have stated over and over again that one flaw you couldn't stand about americans is our lack of respect and understanding of people from other nations. Yet, knowing what you know about our loyalty and compassion for what our flag means to us, you have chosen to use it like our enemies in your symbolic protest by showing it aflame. So where's the respect and understanding for OUR people? If it's our policies you have a problem with, show a gif of our president on fire or something, not our fuckin flag. Our flag stands for something far deeper than you obviously understand about our culture. It's called PRIDE. __________________ Ouch.

03-09-2003, 02:52 PM	#201
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	two hundred

03-09-2003, 04:17 PM	#202
Serge_Oprano So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 9,820	From Oprano & Forest with love...

03-09-2003, 05:15 PM	#206
Wilbo Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Baltimore Posts: 2,082	Where in WV do you live DavePlays?

03-09-2003, 07:25 PM	#210
Wilbo Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Baltimore Posts: 2,082	I used to live in the Eastern Panhandle........I still have that house there for the weekends. I lived there from Oct. 98 to Feb. 2000 when I got married and my wife refused to live 2 miles from a paved road.

03-09-2003, 09:10 PM	#214
Groove Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,852	There's a fine line between patriotism and nationalism. The former is cool the latter sucks! George W's administration is sounding a LOT like the latter (eg you're either with us or your against us!) and that makes most citizens of other countries extremely nervous.

03-10-2003, 02:27 AM	#243
iwantchixx Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Boonies Posts: 12,860	oh cry me a fucking river, this is a free world right?

03-10-2003, 02:35 AM	#247
iwantchixx Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Boonies Posts: 12,860	what does your flag stand for? what does it reason? I'm quite curious to see what your history books have taught.

03-10-2003, 02:48 AM	#249
Juggernaut Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 753	-= Webmasters fighting on webmaster boards is just like the special olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarted. =- "retarted" when spelt correctly, actually looks like this: "retarded" Quite frankly, I'm suprised you're not in touch with the word on a personal level. You're just another lost soul who thinks whatever your President mumbles across the airwaves, is good enough.