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Old 03-02-2014, 09:26 PM   #51
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I'm with MaDalton on this one, 1 shot of rum is pure sugar, 60+ calories of refined sugar = ~3-4 tablespoons of refined sugar.

Rum is refined from sugarcane, this sort of sugar is a carbohydrate, a bad one.
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Maybe the side effects of some of the first 20 meds is increased blood pressure?
NOPE, Rum is made from sugar, but in the process, all the carbs go bye bye

http://www.livestrong.com/article/32...-sugars-carbs/

Rum is free from added sugar or carbs, is typically made from sugarcane or molasses, and comes in a variety of styles: white rum, amber rum, dark rum, spiced rum and aged rum.
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Old 03-03-2014, 01:39 AM   #52
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The problem is not the sugar in the alcohol. The problem is that alcohol raises your BP.
Raising your BP speeds up the rate the heart pumps and speeding up the rate it shoots blood through your kidneys, causing scarring. Scarring sends you on the road to kidney disease and eventual death if you don't have a heart attack or stroke first.

I have high BP and am taking drastic steps to reduce weight, change diet and trying not to drink. That is hard.

Weightlifting without losing weight first only adds strain to your heart because muscle weighs more than fat.

My doctor at UCLA Medical Center advised me to go on a 1250 calorie a day diet and walk at least 1 hour each day while taking prescribed meds.

No tricks, no games, no plans...just simple way.

After living outside US for 3 months now I can tell you I believe most American food is poison. Wholefoods type stores being the exception.

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Old 03-03-2014, 04:40 AM   #53
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NOPE, Rum is made from sugar, but in the process, all the carbs go bye bye

http://www.livestrong.com/article/32...-sugars-carbs/

Rum is free from added sugar or carbs, is typically made from sugarcane or molasses, and comes in a variety of styles: white rum, amber rum, dark rum, spiced rum and aged rum.
It says there's No ADDED sugar or carbs. They don't have to add sugar it's already got 64 calories of sugar.

calories come from 3 sources only- fats, proteins, carbs. That's it. That's no debatable So those 64 calories come from the sugar, such is a carb.

Rum is pure sugar.
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Old 03-03-2014, 04:46 AM   #54
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The problem is not the sugar in the alcohol.
It's not an either or proposition. ALcholol is bad for blood pressure and blood sugars, and many other things.


I've mentioned here I am a 30+ year serious type 1 diabetic, I know from studying this and from monitoring my own blood sugars and seeing the spikes from the sugars that come in hard liquors.

In fact, those spikes can and do contribute to blood pressure issues. And that's just one thing shitty blood sugars complicates.

The problem is very much the sugar in alcohol.
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Old 03-03-2014, 05:44 AM   #55
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And some pills are medically necessary, and not an avoidance of personal responsibility. There are certain users on GFY who clearly need to take their meds
lifestyle choices are (almost) always about personal responsibility. eg Over-worrying is a choice. Might not feel like it, but you can do something about it. If you don't, that's your choice, and your prerogative of course, but that is still a lifestyle choice.

I should know, I over-worry the absolute shit out of fucking TONS of stuff, and should the point ever come that my BP is way high, I'll need to change that, or die young

So anyway yeah, of course some pills are medically necessary, but if I'm taking heart pills because eg I'm a bloated 350 slob, my lack of personal responsibility has led to me being grossly overweight, and thus having to take heart pills and whatever else fat fucks need to stave off death.

Whining about how I eat too much because blahblahblah or how I worry too much because that's just the way I am, and not doing anything about it = avoiding my responsibilities
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Old 03-03-2014, 06:19 AM   #56
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It's not an either or proposition. ALcholol is bad for blood pressure and blood sugars, and many other things.


I've mentioned here I am a 30+ year serious type 1 diabetic, I know from studying this and from monitoring my own blood sugars and seeing the spikes from the sugars that come in hard liquors.

In fact, those spikes can and do contribute to blood pressure issues. And that's just one thing shitty blood sugars complicates.

The problem is very much the sugar in alcohol.
What about beer is there as much sugar in beers as hard liquors?
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Old 03-03-2014, 09:39 AM   #57
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It says there's No ADDED sugar or carbs. They don't have to add sugar it's already got 64 calories of sugar.

calories come from 3 sources only- fats, proteins, carbs. That's it. That's no debatable So those 64 calories come from the sugar, such is a carb.

Rum is pure sugar.
If you do a simple search asking how many carbs are in Rum, the answer you get back on Google is Zero!
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Old 03-03-2014, 10:29 AM   #58
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What about beer is there as much sugar in beers as hard liquors?

Yes, beer has different sugars, but most all alcohols are sugars to varying degrees.


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If you do a simple search asking how many carbs are in Rum, the answer you get back on Google is Zero!
Well, It does. But doing the same search for how many calories are in Rum, the answer is 64.

Those calories are probably too few to register as a % of total diet/carbs, thus the 0 carbs but they are there. I'd bet if the scale were more refined they would show up on the google carb search.


But again, all calories can only come from protein, fat or carbs. those 64 cals are pure sugar.
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Yes, beer has different sugars, but most all alcohols are sugars to varying degrees.




Well, It does. But doing the same search for how many calories are in Rum, the answer is 64.

Those calories are probably too few to register as a % of total diet/carbs, thus the 0 carbs but they are there. I'd bet if the scale were more refined they would show up on the google carb search.


But again, all calories can only come from protein, fat or carbs. those 64 cals are pure sugar.
I'm not concerning myself with calories or fat, just carbs. Alcohol in rum gets it calories from the sugar it uses in fermentation, that same fermentation eliminates the carbs.
They are empty calories, but a Rum and diet coke is zero everything else. I drink rum straight on the rocks. And I'm starting to lose weight again.
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Old 03-03-2014, 10:57 AM   #60
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I'm not concerning myself with calories or fat, just carbs. Alcohol in rum gets it calories from the sugar it uses in fermentation, that same fermentation eliminates the carbs.
They are empty calories, but a Rum and diet coke is zero everything else. I drink rum straight on the rocks. And I'm starting to lose weight again.
Well, I think I also have an overly strict interpretation of what sugars are. I know when I drink hard liquor I'll need to take some insulin because my blood sugar will go up. If I plan on drinking beers, I'll have to take even more/longer acting.


So for me, alcohol = sugars = carbs = required insulin. That's what's been beat into my brain anyway!
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So I just looked up your BP, you are in the highest category! Stop drinking and start running bloke!
that's not always the case. I was running 10k a day running marathons and in top form when i was diagnosed with high blood pressure. I hardly drink at all, I have a low carb diet, i use a cpap machine for sleep apnea and that hasn't helped lower it in the least. Two pills a day keeps it under control though--whether i do all that or not. Mine was higher than his when I first found out.
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Old 03-03-2014, 12:46 PM   #62
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there are no "empty" calories - when you take in more calories than you burn, you gain weight. and vice versa. end of story

it's just that carbs as energy source are stored by the body in fat cells when you dont need the energy right away - opposed to fat (as weird as it sounds)

thats why low carb diets work when you dont work out
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Old 03-03-2014, 01:35 PM   #63
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My BP went up about 3 years ago. was like 156/110 or something. I started shortly there after watching what I eat and exercising with a pretty good diet. I lost 38 pounds. My BP now seems to be at an average of 117/77 I do still take 1/2 pill a day but see the doc in 2 weeks and I find out if I can come off of that.
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