That's stretching the definition of doing something wrong a little too far for me :2 cents:

He did nothing wrong, found himself in a situation caused by others doing wrong, and from then on did everything right.

We'll obviously never agree, and I knew that before I posted so I'm not sure why I did really - perhaps I shoulda saved myself the 5 mins of posting by going on my own awareness and past experiences that these disagreements never get resolved :thumbsup :winkwink:

lol I thought that was some crappy cellphone at first but yeah :1orglaugh

I would feel immediately threatened if I were suddenly surrounded by 100 bikers and one more more of them was trying to make me slow down or stop on a freeway. I might feel like George Zimmerman. Might not. But might. There is no standard for how you're supposed to deal with completely off the wall shit that happens once in your lifetime.

i don't feel like we need to agree. i have views and state them, people critique :winkwink: that view and i reply back supporting it. you have your's and supprt it, they are separate and have nothing to do with the other. as long as it doesn't get personal, i'm fine
you've never made it personal with me so i've never made it personal with you.

Exackery :)

Bullshit

Where are you getting all your presumed facts?

LOL at you thinking the douche in my avatar is me. I guess the cartoon in your avatar is you? :1orglaugh

What's wrong with Vendzilla? Serious question. :helpme

again, i am only referring to myself, and for me knowledge comes from experience. many tend to agree.


i'm getting my presumed facts from the very same places you are getting yours from.


i'm getting actual fact from the same places and from personal experience, which is what i am doing- putting myself in his shoes.

it's a fact he called 911 to report erratic drivers. it's a fact talking on a wireless device is distracting.

+1

One of the NY papers reported that he actually opened his door. He was so close to getting out of it. When you get exit the highway where he did, you have three choices: bear to the left for the upper level of the GW Bridge, bear to the right for the lower level, or go straight for 178th Street and the Cross Bronx Expressway. He went straight - had he gone left or right he would have been on the bridge, heavily patrolled by police officers.

Screaming wife and kid in the car, surrounded by a horde of thugs, I'd venture to say he was out of his element. "Evading a Motorcycle Gang" is not a course taught at Columbia University, where the driver graduated from.

Wait. . .you mean Jel isn't Al Bundy either???

He went less than 25mph somewhere years ago and overheated.

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You are going by a newspaper report, so you know for fact he was on a handheld device and it wasn't his wife? And you know that he made the 911 call at the same time that he got checked? And you know he was exceeding the speed limit?
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i never stated he was on a handheld, i stated he was on a wireless device. the report stated he was the one making the call.

i also never stated he was on the 911 call when he was brake checked. i stated that by making the call he is distracting himself from the situation at hand. moreover, any 30 something year old with a degree from columbia has the brainwaves to realize that the 911 operator is not going to send out th epolice to save this guy at mile marker 142, no wait, mile marker 143, no,....... so the call is an offensive act, not defensive.

finally, i didn't state i know he was exceeding the speed limit. in fact, what i wrote was an effort to display further that i understand where this guy was coming from. that's why i wrote that he "was probably not going too much over the speed limit" knowing full well that the natural flow of traffic is generally a bit over the speed limit and it is safer to merge with the flow of traffic than not. maybe he wasn't, it really doesn't matter, i'm not trying to suggest he was wreckless, my point was i understand his mindset at the time- sunday drive.

i know you get that.

Dyna Mo..you are only digging yourself deeper with your monday morning quarterbacking - assuming stuff happened that we just dont know about...

Could he have done things better to avoid any initial confrontation? Probably.. but no one is talking about that - the only issue is did he do the right thing during the time period that the video shows. Looks like he did

Anyone else notice that this is pretty rare? And why the fuck do all of these criminals video tape themselves all the time?

eh? digging myself deeper into what? i'm speaking of my personal experience and my attitudes, you can judge that and think that digs some sort of gfy hole but i'm not assuming anything more than anyone else.

fact is, in that situation i would have not lost control of my vehicle.

what makes you think that's the only issue here? are there rules on this thread? fill me in, what post where they in.

otherwise, the situation started before the video started and i can certainly speak to my experience about that. i put myself in his shoes and assesed the situation, i've said repeatedly that i get this guy, i understand what happened and what he did.

that's called empathy, that's only diggin a hole at a place like gfy. i would think a hole was dug by gfyers laughing and hi-5ing about running over people.

Showing empathy for the injured is fine - although when it's a thug who raps about being a cocaine dealer and has never been a legal driver of anything much less a motorcycle (while showing off rad street bike insanity videos) - who was injured during the act of criminal assault (probably) on an innocent family with toddler...well yes it's fine to show empathy for him but doing so in the form of criticizing the driver isn't going anywhere... thats all Im saying

Dude, you make so many assumptions it isn't even funny. You cause me to wonder if you know what a Sunday driver is . . . judging by the videos, the PUNKS on motorcycles were primarily Sunday driver/weekend warrior types as no sane rider would put themselves in that situation.

You have a link to this 911 call? For the record, I have had cops ask me the mile marker.

Something similar to this happened in Las Vegas a couple of months ago near the airport tunnel entrance. Was the first time someone got injured, but it wasnt the first time these asshole sportbikers have taken over a stretch of hiway. It's also not the first time the motorcyclist incites an incident and then tries to play the victim.

http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/22676...aught-on-video

Even IF he was on the phone with the police...BLUETOOTH?! Hes in a luxury truck. For all we know the 9-11 operator TOLD him to get out of that situation as fast as humanly possible. Could be the reason no tape has been released.

i'm not showing empathy for the thug(s). i'm holding back commenting on the one who is paralyzed other than pointing out that is a consequence of this event.

my empathy is for the driver. i fully understand his flight or fight running over bikes and bikers to get out of an explosive situation. i fully understand his probably being a sunday driver. i get being distracted while driving.

so after 2 pages peppered with gfyers stating they'd happily run over people, i.e., putting themselves in the same situation, i finally chimed in.

the only difference is i hit the rewind button a bit and said if i were him i would have realized the situation unfolding when i saw a bunch of jiggling headlights fast approaching in my rear view.

several people took issue with that, calling me a sociopath, bullshitter, not capable of understanding, etc.

don't all the hands free vehicles use bluetooth for that?

lolz, sure thing baddog, nevermind the fact my post completely covered your questioning.

again, not sure what your beef is here or what you are expecting me to change here.

i put myself in his shoes and made a comment that i would have seen it coming. you can nitpick assumptions all you want, that doesn't mean i don't know how i would react in a situation with a pack of bikes coming up on me.


so fill me in, what is it you want here?

Why do you figure "his probably being a sunday driver"

And where is the link to this 911 call you know all about?

gotcha - I'm with ya

One time I was in a similar situation being terrorized in my car by a group of hostile dudes and I drove out of it by taking off (literally OFF) the drivers door of his Porsche - cops showed up and ticketed me for it too. (got out of it...) So thats probably why I sided so heavily with the driver - sitting trapped in a car can mean death when seriously mean motherfuckers want to hurt you.

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why wouldn't i figure he was being a sunday driver? it was sunday, his wife and toddler were in the car. should i have figured he was driving nascar?


i don't know where the link is.

if you are going to take issue with what i know about myself have the nutsack to state it.

i hear ya. i haven't had things escalate to that point in a car but i have come close riding motorcyles. but again, i was able to extricate myself from those situations without anyone or anything getting hurt or damaged. one of my main goals while driving/riding is to avoid confrontation. i'm just not up for getting involved in a road rage ordeal. ugh. i'llpass.

The fact will and *always* will be that your response is just as insane as the responses stating they would run over all of them.

Stating that you think you know better is the **EXACT** same thing as stating what you seem to think you are defending.

So that being said, how would you handle aliens coming up out of the ground and firing blue lasers at you? I am interested as you seem to know how to handle every situation after it has occurred....

when did i ever say i know better? in fact, what i've said is i understand.

thread's weird.

i would change lanes and exit if necc.

duh


fuckwad.

How about we go back to talking about purecain's helmet.


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yeah we get it, you would have thought to run over as many as possible while getting your family out of the situation and that's why you take issue with how i would handle the situation.

aren't you the model citizen.

So why was the biker talking shit in the first place? I wonder if the only thing the SUV driver did wrong was not pull all the way off to the right...because it's very easy to assume that bikers do not want you to move out of your lane (as is normally the case)

What about it?

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