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Old 09-28-2013, 02:02 PM   #401
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Vice President Joe Biden whom has been in Federal Politics for more than 40 years is not and has never been a millionaire.
Hiding money is nothing new.

Biden lives in a 2.5 million dollar home in Delaware's ritziest neighborhood. He got the house with help from the corporation MBNA who have been one of his biggest campaign contributors.

If you think that any politicians (especially Joe Biden who had to quit the 1988 Pres. campaign in disgrace for blatant lying about plagiarizing his speeches from another politcian) are not in it for the money and the power...then I would say that you are letting your Democrat loyalty cloud your judgement.

If you've ever amassed any wealth then you already know that there are a million (literally) ways to NOT show that on your income tax returns.

He's just as big a piece of shit as any politician in Washington, DC
And the fact he's been there so long makes him an even bigger crook than the newer guys.

Now I'm not saying he's the smartest guy there...obviously he hasn't put together the kind of wealth that many others have...but even a dim bulb like Joe can make an entire lifetime career out of politics and live in a 2.5 million dollar home while he talks about helping the "poor".
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Hiding money is nothing new.

Biden lives in a 2.5 million dollar home in Delaware's ritziest neighborhood. He got the house with help from the corporation MBNA who have been one of his biggest campaign contributors.

If you think that any politicians (especially Joe Biden who had to quit the 1988 Pres. campaign in disgrace for blatant lying about plagiarizing his speeches from another politcian) are not in it for the money and the power...then I would say that you are letting your Democrat loyalty cloud your judgement.

If you've ever amassed any wealth then you already know that there are a million (literally) ways to NOT show that on your income tax returns.

He's just as big a piece of shit as any politician in Washington, DC
And the fact he's been there so long makes him an even bigger crook than the newer guys.

Now I'm not saying he's the smartest guy there...obviously he hasn't put together the kind of wealth that many others have...but even a dim bulb like Joe can make an entire lifetime career out of politics and live in a 2.5 million dollar home while he talks about helping the "poor".
I am not a Democrat or Republican. I have never tried to hide money. I amassed about three million dollars in my lifetime which I now have invested in the market...and I do not draw out any dividends...the investments rise and fall on paper as the stock market raises and falls. I live off of about half of my social security disability and my VA disability...and bank the other half.
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I am not a Democrat or Republican. I have never tried to hide money. I amassed about three million dollars in my lifetime which I now have invested in the market...and I do not draw out any dividends...the investments rise and fall on paper as the stock market raises and falls. I live off of about half of my social security disability and my VA disability...and bank the other half.
Sounds like you are older than Baddog.

While I was in the military a Gunnery Sgt gave the best advice anyone has ever given me - take a small percentage of your paycheck and invest into a long term slow burn safe investment. That's exactly what I did, and I continue to do every month. Combined with a relative passing away recently, I'll have a nice little nest egg.

Also, the older I get... The less I need.
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Hiding money is nothing new.

Biden lives in a 2.5 million dollar home in Delaware's ritziest neighborhood. He got the house with help from the corporation MBNA who have been one of his biggest campaign contributors.

If you think that any politicians (especially Joe Biden who had to quit the 1988 Pres. campaign in disgrace for blatant lying about plagiarizing his speeches from another politcian) are not in it for the money and the power...then I would say that you are letting your Democrat loyalty cloud your judgement.

If you've ever amassed any wealth then you already know that there are a million (literally) ways to NOT show that on your income tax returns.

He's just as big a piece of shit as any politician in Washington, DC
And the fact he's been there so long makes him an even bigger crook than the newer guys.

Now I'm not saying he's the smartest guy there...obviously he hasn't put together the kind of wealth that many others have...but even a dim bulb like Joe can make an entire lifetime career out of politics and live in a 2.5 million dollar home while he talks about helping the "poor".
I wonder if you might be wrong about Biden.

I don't know much about him, but a quick search for "biden wealth" says he is the least wealthy member of the Senate. I don't know anything about any houses he owns, but the VP lives in a nicer place then the White House on a very small Naval outpost in Washington DC.

Biden was an attorney for ten years before he became a senator, so there is no doubt he's got some money.
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I wonder if you might be wrong about Biden.

I don't know much about him, but a quick search for "biden wealth" says he is the least wealthy member of the Senate. I don't know anything about any houses he owns, but the VP lives in a nicer place then the White House on a very small Naval outpost in Washington DC.

Biden was an attorney for ten years before he became a senator, so there is no doubt he's got some money.
Google him up and look past the obvious. I googled up Biden wealth and quickly found out about his 2.5 million dollar home that was co-signed for by that big credit card corporatation CEO.

There are a LOT of ways to be "wealthy"
Nice homes, nice cars, living a lifestyle that the 99% WISH they had.

And you don't necessarily have to show things in your name either.

My grandfather was worth millions. But he had everything in other family members names. Owned 3 nice homes (including one on a lake)...not one of them was in his name.
He spread everything out in the names of his kids and grandkids. Structured his money to not show a lot of "profit" on his income tax.
It happens all the time.

As for Biden being a lawyer for ten years BEFORE he became a lifetime career politician? How old was he? He's been in Washington D.C. for over 40 years (jan. of 1973) and he is 70 years old.

That means he first started sucking the govt tit when he was 30. If he graduated high school at 18 then he had to go to college and law school for a few years...So there is no way he was an "attorney" for ten years before he became a career politician.

By the time he got out of school he would have been in his mid 20's. And you think he made a fortune as a lawyer in his mid-20's?
He would have been working under a real lawyer with a practice at that point. No way he would have had his own practice and/or have been successful by that time.

Never met a millionaire lawyer who was in his 20's fresh out of law school before.

Nope...just ask yourself this: Would Joe Biden be living the life he is now if not for being a career politician and having all the perks of power?

Mabye.
But he would have had to WORK for it.
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Robbie,

What you said about Biden may be right, but is this your reason not to vote democratic? Mitt Romney was not only wealthy, but he gained his wealth by wrecking companies, exporting jobs to China, and keeping his money offshore to pay only 14% tax.

And also whats wrong with being a lawyer before being a politician? Aren't polticiatins law makers? And wouldn't lawyers make better political candidates than business people like Mitt Romney, soccer moms like Sarah Palin, or deserters like George W Bush, or actors like Ronald Regan?
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What you said about Biden may be right, but is this your reason not to vote democratic? Mitt Romney was not only wealthy, but he gained his wealth by wrecking companies, exporting jobs to China, and keeping his money offshore to pay only 14% tax.

And also whats wrong with being a lawyer before being a politician? Aren't polticiatins law makers? And wouldn't lawyers make better political candidates than business people like Mitt Romney, soccer moms like Sarah Palin, or deserters like George W Bush, or actors like Ronald Regan?
Your bias is showing brother.

I voted Democrat most of my life. I heard the promises when I was a kid in the 1960's and 1970's. Back then Democrat Party was still very racist and I lived in the South and would hear my great grandfather talk about being a Democrat for life, etc.

Then in the mid to late 1970's I was a teenager and got indoctrinated by Rolling Stone Magazine. I was a bonafide Democrat.
Everything they were doing sounded smart and "good". The racism was gone. And the Republicans sounded "bad". Rolling Stone magazine had me convinced that Reagan was gonna start WW3 back in the 1980's (I was in my 20's)

I was very proud to vote for Clinton in the 1990's in both of his terms. I felt like everything was changing.

But in 2000...I admit I voted Bush and again in 2004.
Just couldn't see that 2 guys like Gore or Kerry could really be leaders. They just seemed like "followers" to me.

IN 2008 I voted for "Hope And Change" for Obama. I really fell for it hook, line, and sinker.

But in 2012...after voting since the election of 1980, for the first time I FINALLY opened my eyes.
No more Republicans or Democrats for me.

EVERYTHING that both parties ever promised was just a bunch of lies to get and keep power.

I am a registered Libertarian now. I want freedom as an individual. I don't want some Republican telling me what I can view, or create, or THINK. I don't want a military that is attacking other countries and invading and occupying them. I want "pro-choice" for women. I want an end to the "War On Drugs" which is destroying our country.

That is what I want my Canadian friend. I want FREEDOM. I want an unobtrusive govt. that performs the tasks it is supposed to without interrupting my life.

You can sit up there in Canada and think you know all about American politics. And hell, maybe you do.
But for me? I'm sick of politicians. I'm sick of career/lifetime politicians. I want them to SERVE the country...not fucking own it. And they should only be allowed to serve ONE time and ONE term.

We now have a permanent RULING CLASS in Washington DC who live the lives of the "1%" at OUR expense. They never leave. They are out of touch. And they don't truly represent the people.
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Hey Robbie my friend...

I will never know everything there is to know about any subject, especially US politics. It's a hobby to me like electronics and sci-fi and strangling animals, golf, and masturbating. All I know about US politics is what I see on TV, so everything I say on the subject is only an opinion. To me it LOOKS like some republicans in office are dopes and LOOKS like some democrats are cool so sure I'm biased. I know nothing at all about the libertarian movement. So no worries I'm definitely not telling you what to do. Forgive me if I sound like a know-it-all.

What I don't understand from your last post though ("What I want is freedom"). I agree with you 100% that women should have the right to choose, and the war on drugs is just insane. Is the libertarian movement exactly for these ideals? And don't women already have the right to choose under a democratic led state? And isn't Obama relaxing the drug laws especially when it comes to Marihuana possession?

As for Gore and Kerry, what is your opinion based on? Sure they "look" ineffectual but is that the only reason? I think Al Gore would have been an awesome president as positions on things like GLOBAL WARMING (ahem!) seemed based in science instead of superstition.

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What I don't understand from your last post though ("What I want is freedom"). I agree with you 100% that women should have the right to choose, and the war on drugs is just insane. Is the libertarian movement exactly for these ideals? And don't women already have the right to choose under a democratic led state? And isn't Obama relaxing the drug laws especially when it comes to Marihuana possession? !
Several states are making it harder and harder for women to get abortions.

And no, Obama hasn't done anything with the "War On Drugs"
Some states have legalized pot. And the Feds have come in and arrested people over it in those states. Matter of fact, I believe Bill Maher read some stats on his show that said that the Obama Administration is doing MORE drug raids than the Bush admin!

No...Democrats do NOT want the War On Drugs ended. They are just as vested in the multi-billion dollar prison industry as the Republicans are.

And I'm just basically thinking...the Democrats kind of "half-assed" supportive of a lot of things like the "War On Drugs"
Libertarians are 100% for the legalization of all drugs. The Libertarian view is for personal freedom. It's none of the govt.'s business what you do in your personal life.

Plus the Democrats are huge proponents of big and bloated govt. AND they are also very supportive of our big military and of attacking and KILLING people world-wide in other countries (Obama has proven to be a lethal killing machine as President with drone attacks).

Libertarians do not want those things.

If you have any interest go to this site: http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/front
That's who I voted for in 2012

Don't read the propaganda of the Republicans and Democrats...a third party scares the hell out of them and they will say anything to make you think that the idea of personal freedom is "crazy"

Any notion that people can actually think and live for themselves is a nightmare for bureaucrats in Washington D.C. (and local govt. too).

The more that we depend on govt., the more power they have and the more indispensable they become to our daily lives.
I don't like that at all.
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No...Democrats do NOT want the War On Drugs ended. They are just as vested in the multi-billion dollar prison industry as the Republicans are.
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I was talking to someone today about this, they said the prison system gets guarantees of how many prisoners they receive. I have yet to look for that, but I can see where it's true.

Our private prison system needs to get an overhaul for sure
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I was talking to someone today about this, they said the prison system gets guarantees of how many prisoners they receive. I have yet to look for that, but I can see where it's true.

Our private prison system needs to get an overhaul for sure
I had read years ago somewhere in the midwest, they wanted a private prison company to take over their prison. They had to guarantee a 95 percent occupancy rate. That's a big part of the problem. All these companies probably have guaranteed occupancy rates in their agreements.
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clearing up some myths this morning.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...bamacare-.html
Myth No. 5: Obamacare is causing job losses and is forcing people into part-time work.
Sorry, wrong again. That conclusion just isn't supported by hiring statistics, says Mark Zandi, chief economist of Moody's Analytics. "I was expecting to see it. I was looking for it, and it's not there," Zandi tells USA Today. His firm manages ADP's surveys of private-sector job creation.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...alth-care-law/
5. Congress is exempt from Obamacare. False.

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Even a few sitting lawmakers have repeated this claim, but it?s not true. Congress is not exempt from Obamacare. Like everyone else, lawmakers are required to have health insurance. They?re also required to buy insurance through the marketplaces. The idea is to have lawmakers and their staff buy insurance the same way their uninsured constituents would so they understand what their constituents have to deal with. Most Americans who already get insurance through work are left alone under the law; members of Congress have insurance through work but are treated differently in this regard. Recently, a rule was added so that lawmakers? could keep the traditional employer contribution to their coverage. But they weren?t exempt from requirements that other Americans face. We rated this claim False.

7. The health care law is a "government takeover" of health care. Pants on Fire.

U.S. Rep. C.W. Bill Young, R-Indian Shores, Feb. 20, 2010, in a speech to Pinellas County Republicans.

"Government takeover" conjures a European approach where the government owns the hospitals and the doctors are public employees. But the law Congress passed relies largely on the free market. It's true that the law significantly increases government regulation of health insurers. But it is, at its heart, a system that relies on private companies and the free market. The majority of Americans will continue to get coverage from private insurers. We rated the claim Pants on Fire.


10. Under Obamacare, "75 percent of small businesses now say they are going to be forced to either fire workers or cut their hours." Pants on Fire.

U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., July 25, 2013 in a FoxNews.com op-ed

Suggestions that business are laying off workers because of the health care law have so far proven to be largely unfounded. Most small businesses -- those with fewer than 50 employees -- do not have to provide health insurance to their employees. (In fact, some very small businesses with fewer than 25 employees may qualify for tax credits under the law.) The claim here that 75 percent of small business were reducing their workforce was based on a misreading of a study from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. The study actually found that less than 10 percent of small businesses said they will be forced to reduce their workforce or cut hours. We rated the claim Pants on Fire.
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Sounds like you are older than Baddog.

While I was in the military a Gunnery Sgt gave the best advice anyone has ever given me - take a small percentage of your paycheck and invest into a long term slow burn safe investment. That's exactly what I did, and I continue to do every month. Combined with a relative passing away recently, I'll have a nice little nest egg.

Also, the older I get... The less I need.
Is anyone older than Baddog...so I think not. Good advice from the Gunney.
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clearing up some myths this morning.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...bamacare-.html
Myth No. 5: Obamacare is causing job losses and is forcing people into part-time work.
Sorry, wrong again. That conclusion just isn't supported by hiring statistics

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...alth-care-law/
5. Congress is exempt from Obamacare. False.

Chain email, Jan. 6, 2013

Even a few sitting lawmakers have repeated this claim, but it’s not true. Congress is not exempt from Obamacare.

10. Under Obamacare, "75 percent of small businesses now say they are going to be forced to either fire workers or cut their hours." Pants on Fire.
A) That is yet to be seen.

B) Congress is NOT exempt. BUT...you are completely ignoring the financial subsidy that they have given for themselves, their families, and their staffs and their families to go along with their ObamaCare health plans. You and I will not be getting that. We just pay for it with taxes.

C) Again...the actual CEO's and owners of businesses are already doing that. Saw a guy on CNBC the other day who owns 10 Subway restaurants. He has cut all of his employees hours to "part time". His only other option was to fire some of them and he didn't want to do that.
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clearing up some myths this morning.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...bamacare-.html
Myth No. 5: Obamacare is causing job losses and is forcing people into part-time work.
Sorry, wrong again. That conclusion just isn't supported by hiring statistics, says Mark Zandi, chief economist of Moody's Analytics. "I was expecting to see it. I was looking for it, and it's not there," Zandi tells USA Today. His firm manages ADP's surveys of private-sector job creation.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...alth-care-law/
5. Congress is exempt from Obamacare. False.

Chain email, Jan. 6, 2013

Even a few sitting lawmakers have repeated this claim, but it?s not true. Congress is not exempt from Obamacare. Like everyone else, lawmakers are required to have health insurance. They?re also required to buy insurance through the marketplaces. The idea is to have lawmakers and their staff buy insurance the same way their uninsured constituents would so they understand what their constituents have to deal with. Most Americans who already get insurance through work are left alone under the law; members of Congress have insurance through work but are treated differently in this regard. Recently, a rule was added so that lawmakers? could keep the traditional employer contribution to their coverage. But they weren?t exempt from requirements that other Americans face. We rated this claim False.

7. The health care law is a "government takeover" of health care. Pants on Fire.

U.S. Rep. C.W. Bill Young, R-Indian Shores, Feb. 20, 2010, in a speech to Pinellas County Republicans.

"Government takeover" conjures a European approach where the government owns the hospitals and the doctors are public employees. But the law Congress passed relies largely on the free market. It's true that the law significantly increases government regulation of health insurers. But it is, at its heart, a system that relies on private companies and the free market. The majority of Americans will continue to get coverage from private insurers. We rated the claim Pants on Fire.


10. Under Obamacare, "75 percent of small businesses now say they are going to be forced to either fire workers or cut their hours." Pants on Fire.

U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., July 25, 2013 in a FoxNews.com op-ed

Suggestions that business are laying off workers because of the health care law have so far proven to be largely unfounded. Most small businesses -- those with fewer than 50 employees -- do not have to provide health insurance to their employees. (In fact, some very small businesses with fewer than 25 employees may qualify for tax credits under the law.) The claim here that 75 percent of small business were reducing their workforce was based on a misreading of a study from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. The study actually found that less than 10 percent of small businesses said they will be forced to reduce their workforce or cut hours. We rated the claim Pants on Fire.
I have a problem with any legislation that's an estimated 20,000 pages long when the constitution is one page long.
I hope it works, but experience has shown that it will not. And to follow, I hate it when people make excuses about it and say it's a start. After 20,000 pages, it should be perfect
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...bamacare-.html
Myth No. 5: Obamacare is causing job losses and is forcing people into part-time work.
Sorry, wrong again. That conclusion just isn't supported by hiring statistics, says Mark Zandi, chief economist of Moody's Analytics. "I was expecting to see it. I was looking for it, and it's not there," Zandi tells USA Today. His firm manages ADP's surveys of private-sector job creation.
Tony, you can find many companies that are cutting hours
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...void-obamacare
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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
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Further yet, here's a study on what employers plan to do
http://www.ifebp.org/Resources/Resea...hcimpact13.htm
Click on the right at the bottom
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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
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