mineistaken

No disrespect, just genuinely interested in your answer.

I see you claiming super ratios of your program, like at the worst 1:1000, usually you claim even better, like 1:500 or something like that.

Could you elaborate why your program converts few times better than all the rest?
For instance I looked at your "screw wife" site.
Sites like that on blog traffic convert 1:5000 for me. You claim at worst 1:1000, meaning 5 times better. What makes your site better than all the others in that niche?
What I see and what are cons in my eyes:
1. content is pretty old and generic
2. content looks not exclusive

So logic says it should convert even worse than most of the sites in the niche, yet you claim way better conversions. Why? Take it from surfer point of view - why is your site is so much more appealing to surfer?

Like I said, I am genuinely curious.

nexcom28

If you convert at 1:5000 with blog traffic you are doing it all wrong. You can't just go..

xxsitexx.com is the best site in the world, I really like it, check out these whores!

And expect it to convert.
You need to treat your visitors like real people and not bullshit them.

In my experience content is not that important, what is important are the word you use.

_Richard_

very good question.

Mr. Peabody?

baddog

No kidding, if I go 1:100 with blog traffic I find a new sponsor.

_Richard_

believe he was talking about 'sites like that with my blog traffic'

glad everyones doing 1:100 with blog traffic tho.

lucas131

you want him to tell you his knowhow?

DWB

Said no guy with his cock in his hand, ever.

mineistaken

Yes, I could do better, its a bit worse because I like to use semi blind links, like "click here to see more of this chick" and link to sponsor. People expect to see more of her (like pics or vids) and instead they get to the tour page. So thats why my ratio is worse than it could be.
However its not the point of my thread, I am curious about why his sites are so appealing to surfers that they maintain such good ratios as he claim.

nexcom28

Well I don't know about 1:100 but I deal with a whole load of sponsors and it looks a little like this (lifetime)

1:46
1:63
1:100
1:105
1:212
1:266
1:447
1:2264

mineistaken

No need to get offensive, there was no intention to offend his site, I merely tried to look from surfer point of view and I would like to understand why his site converts much better than others in the niche. Whenever somebody claims bad ratios he says that his sites converts way better, I want to understand why do surfers like his sites so much. So far I do not see anything that should move them in front of competition or anything that suggest they convert better than the rest.

Jel

because you're a webmaster pretending to be a surfer and looking, not a genuine surfer with a hardon. No matter how hard we try, we are still webmasters, and have seen way, way more paysites/tours/content than any surfer

CurrentlySober

i like Mr. Poobody?

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SpicyM

You can't compare sponsor ratios with affiliate ratios. Sponsors get the best converions on type-ins, so it is pretty normal to convert below 1:500 with no magical traffic source.

deltav

This, this & this.

Type-in traffic is the Holy Grail of prospective subscribers, and unfortunately it's the one thing affiliates typically don't get credit for. Which is why affiliates should have links all over the place - not just on their obvious banners & ads, but all in the text, wherever possible. Get the surfer locked with your code before they head up to the address bar and type that domain themselves.

I do better than 1:500 with DeltaofVenus.com without any trouble, but type-ins are a factor for sure.

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mineistaken

Hey, I am not that stupid.
I am, of course, speaking strictly about affiliate ratios (when he claims what his affiliates does or when he claims that "you should do at least that ratio if you promote my program")

The Porn Nerd

What a great thread! It gives me a chance to point out some factors that may answer the OP's great question.

First, I have 32 paysites with 17 of them being promoted via my affiliate program. So when I say "1:500 or better" I am not talking about ALL of my sites; some do better some do worse. So generally i am asking affiliates to promote these "top sites":

ErosExotica.com
TouchTheBody.com
FelluciaBlow.com
ScrewMyWifeClub.com
TheArtofHandjobs.com
Bollywood-Nudes.com

Those are the top sites but these also do well:

ChubbyBlondy.com
MILFMia.com
SexxyBrandon.com
DutchFantasies.com
ParodyBros.com

The first group gets about 1:400 while the second group does about 1:800-1:1000. But why do surfers join my sites when some of the content is, indeed, "older" (even SD over HD)? Simple:

1. Join 1 site, get 32+ sites plus daily-updated bonus content
2. The whole 'Mister Peabody World network' vibe is fun and playful and unique
3. While the content may be everywhere - like with Screw My Wife Club, which comes from the 'Screw My Wife Please' DVD line (98 titles) or ParodyBros, which comes from a line of great porn parody DVDs - it's presented in a fun, new way (join the Screw My Wife CLUB - everyone wants to be part of a club; change one word, change everything)
4. When a surfer hits a tour like this they are coming "pre-sold" so i get them to the Join page immediately:

http://www.erosexotica.com/index1.html

For "readers" from Blogs they hit a page like this:

http://www.touchthebody.com/index1.html

So basically here's the answer: simple but effective tours, content presented in a unique, fun way, added Bonus sites for value and Member retention. oh - and I add a new website to the network about 6-8 times a year so Members continue to get value and see content that is new to them (while not necassarily "new").

Signup below! LOL

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baddog

Definitely some convert better than others and if I looked at lifetime with some I dropped, it would certainly look worse than that on some. Mellisa Midwest for example, never converted for me.

Ayla_SquareTurtle

Can y'all really not see how his network is different? It's in the marketing. Dude makes me want to sign up for that Eros Exotica stuff and I'm a jaded paysite reviewer.

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CCBill check is in the mail. LOL

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ruff

Don't let Mr. Peabody fool you. He makes it sound simple. The fact is he works his ass off every day promoting his network. He is a master at building traffic and analyzing its effectiveness. He is constantly tweaking and fine tuning his product. His hard work pays off. That is the part that is simple. A good salesman can sell anything especially in this market. Exclusive content only counts to someone that has seen it all.

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shimmy2

solution is to sell something you can blog intelligently about

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Bman

More then anything I would ask the guys who own the sites how they do?

I can figure out how he does and good for him...and honestly it is a good business plan.

I see it as free money for people who have content and get residual income.

Who cares what the conversions rates are in the end if it makes you money whats the difference..try it and see if it works for you.

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icymelon

exclusive content doesn't affect ratios. over used content affects ratios.

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Pineapplez

Im a webmaster, and a surfer. I make a few 100's each month, on a hobby level. When i have figured out how to make more than a cpl of 1000 each month, i'll quit my job. But im still a newbie. Im learning!
Im also a a surfer. I read every now and then, "you need to think as a surfer/visitor, not as a webmaster".
Ok, that's exactly what im trying to do, trying to figure out how to make enough money to go fulltime.
Here's a few things:

My "niche of choice" is amateurs and/or hairy. Natural girls, pure and simple.
Abbywinters, girlsoutwest, ATK hairy etc, that's exactly the kind of sites i'd be happy to spend money with. And that's exactly what i do.
I've been a member for almost two years on both sites.
And there's a simple reason. They give me exactly what i want!

- Lots of content (they got alot of exactly what i want)
- They update (they give me more, and thats the reason i let them charge my visa again after 30 days)

It's simple. That's the two reasons why i joined, and why i stay.

If was to search google for the kind of things im looking for, i'd type something like 'natural hairy girls'.
Im in sweden and the top 5 results are some youtube crap. The first adult result is http://hairy.amkingdom.com/02/
PERFECT! I would have joined in under two minutes if i was'nt already a member.

That being said, I dont buy that "Join one site and get 50 bonus sites"?! That's totally irrelevant!
Maybe it's just me.

If i look for a site that has content that turns me on, hairy/natural girls in my case, that is what i want. I could care less if you give me access to your ass-to-mouth site, your double penetration site and your this or that site. Thanks, that's very generous, but i dont care. It's not the niches that im looking for.

As i said, maybe it's just me, but the BONUS sites thing, that alot of sponsors use as a sell argument, doesnt do shit for the surfer in me.
Why not cut down the site portfolio to five sites with ten times the amount of content you have now?

Anyway, that was me thinking as the surfer in me.
As a webmaster im still at a cpl of hundred bucks each month, so im obviously doing something wrong. Haha...

bean-aid

Do swedish guys really like hairy muffs? And since when is 1k enough to live in sweden?

Pineapplez

Yes, no and maybe!

"When i have figured out how to make more than a cpl of 1000 each month, i'll quit my job."

baddog

He doesn't comprehend English well, that was a nice piece you wrote.

bean-aid

Take his picture then. Not everyone is so saaaavy as you ;) Congrats on being quick as a whip and 110 years old.

baddog

thank you

bean-aid

Welcome. Btw it costs like 10k/month to live in sweden compared to around 5k in the states. Swedes come over to nyc to shop because they feel it is dirt cheap.

So anyways, since when can you live on 2k/month in Sweden?

Pineapplez

Ok, when i have figured out how to make $5k/month, i'll quit my job.

lucas131

living for 5k or 10k monthly? oh man, where do you live? and how do you live? champagne shower every morning? have been living in some expensive places like chamonix, geneve or cannes and nowhere it was even close to that ...

DWB

Where do you live? That seems expensive.

epitome

So Epoch changing their join form and killing your business was an exaggeration?

Some of the other desperate oh my god world is ending threads were exaggerations, too?

Google Expert

MisterPeeBody is full of shit.

Ask him to post a screenshot of his 1:500 ratios.

He can't.

It's just a plot to lure in affiliates.

dehash

Why someone wouldn't post his affiliate ratios with MisterPeeBody? Screenshot of course.

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mineistaken

Not really. You can live on "more than couple of 1000$" in Sweden.
And no you do not need 5000$ to live in the states, more than 80% of Americans do not earn that.
Even 2000$ would be probably more than many blue collar workers earn.

Google Expert

You do in places like New York.

nico-t

im sure you do baddog.



are you sure you're not getting senile on us?

woj

"Per capita income (1999) $22,402"

Data is a bit outdated, today it's probably more like $25k...

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogra..._New_York_City

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mineistaken

You mean marketing his aff. program to webmasters, right?

The Porn Nerd

Posting screenshots is stupid because people can fake screenshots. I never look at Programs posting screenshots. LOL

All I can say is try and if it doesn't work for you let's work on making it work for you.

Obviously your mind cannot comprehend two disparate subjects exisitng in the same space and time. Previous threads complained about billers and traffic, not ratios. I would like more traffic and I would like billers to lessen their scrubs. This makes me a madman and a weirdo, I know.

Why don't you start promoting ErosExoticaGay and make all of us some moolah?

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dehash

May be we choosing wrong keywords? Agree, that is it very big difference if you chose "free porn" as you keyword. I am waiting for Colmike7 tut, but I think Game of Thrones 4 coming sooner, than tut lol

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signupdamnit

I wouldn't doubt overall 1:500 ratios for a sponsor. You have to remember they get the sale if there is no affiliate cookie or other tracking in place. Then you have to consider that usually sponsors have urls on all the promo material. With this later point it's funny how most affiliates didn't catch on. For the last several years we have heard sponsors bragging about getting great type ins from watermarks on tubes. Yet when it comes to those same watermarks on the affiliate content "Ohhhhh! No one types in that tiny url. Don't worry about it! It's probably less than .0001% of sales!"

If a sponsor gets X ratio an affiliate can probably expect something like "X*3" all other things being equal. It's a decent rule of thumb.

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Jel

fwiw, tubes = 1% typeins. So you get 100k surfers, 1k will type in, rather than use your aff link - but!!! the actual advertising/banners/text around tube vids are VERY shitty, which personally I believe 'forces' the type-in more from a tube, so I'd feel confident saying less than 1% of your traffic types in a watermarked url.

To me, that's just part of the symbiotic relationship. Sponsor gives me content, somewhere to send joins, I send joins and get paid - win-win, when you factor in the not unreasonable at all factor that a lot of content will get stolen/shared/hotlinked/etc - bit unreasonable of me as an aff to get moody about a site putting a wm on their content.

The Porn Nerd

For some affiliates - the good, honest ones - I will provide unwatermarked videos for promotion so you can register similar URLs, etc. As long as it's all going to the Tour and Join pages I really don't care.

The issue tho is getting ENOUGH unwatermarked videos on a consistent basis. This is what I'm dealing with right now. A very good affiliate needs unwatermarked videos but he's requesting a lot, on a consistent basis. Usually not a problem providing a few videos to get things started but getting him (or any affiliate) a TON of unwatermarked vids is hard to accomplish. I have a full-time Editor who edits, watermarks, etc so for him to upload in essence TWO versions (watermarked and UNwatermarked) is way too time consuming.

I am looking for a solution tho. LOL

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signupdamnit

The problem is let's say a banner and text link above the video gets 1.5% ctr and let's say 1% will just type it in. All things being equal as an affiliate I just lost 40% of the revenue I actually send because the surfer typed it in and my affiliate code wasn't set. You might also say that people who type in an url manually are more motivated and so mroe liekly to buy.

It is what it is (annoying cliche alert) but it helps explain some of the conversion ratio differences between sponsors and affiliates.

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Jel

MA for trusted affs

Obviously you need to trust them, but each will cut/edit slightly differently, producing different results etc. Finding affs though who you can 100% is hard, but they are plenty out there if you do research, ask for references etc - I've been such a trusted aff many times, it's easy to get references, and it really does make a huge difference for both the aff and the program

They just replace watermark with their own, and as you say, that domain is all about your program's site(s) so win-win