DVTimes

Have sales gone up due to this?

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DamianJ

Has it had an impact on the 3 sales a year your own sites make?

Klen

Obviusly it does not otherwise he would'nt ask

DVTimes

I do not use Epoch.

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Oracle Porn

I don't see the paypal option on the payment page anymore like I did when the first thread about paypal/epoch popped up.

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DVtimes needs somebody to answer so he can go and post some news about it on xbiz

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DamianJ

Why not?

PornDiscounts-V

Sales are through the roof

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EddyTheDog

Why do you care?..

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EddyTheDog

I still get it in the UK.....

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scarlettcontent

not yet, will help more when USA is allowed

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DamianJ

Because cascading billing should be used by everyone in this biz. It will add 10-20% to your bottom line. It's been available for years, I wondered if Divvy had a reason not to want his declined sales to be picked up.

Why do you care why I care?

EddyTheDog

That's total BS - You posted because you have a hard on for DVT - Some might say you are obsessed...

I just think your a vile twat and a bully - But that's just my opinion.....

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DamianJ

No it isn't. Everyone should have cascading billing.

Zounds, the irony!

You follow me around here chastising me in a somewhat fay way all the time for no real reason.

I dislike DVTimes because he is proven content thief and scammer that does nothing here but cut and paste totally pointless news stories. Maybe you like him because you do that sort of thing too?

*you're

And thanks for sharing your opinion. We all know you don't like me. It's OK. You could always just not read my posts, rather than whinging like a little girl all the time.

Anyway, don't you have a thread to start about something utterly fucking pointless? Come on, tell us about your TV shows, your meds or your mother. That shit is GOLD man.

EddyTheDog

Same shit - Different day - ...

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I was about to ask if the guys who uses epoch does have boost on their sales with this paypal option - in separate thread, but it's better that way.

I'm still wondering if I should get them as second processor. But for sure I need paypal as option in order to get more members... Will that affect the stuff the positive way?
Does epoch convert better than ccbill ?

Orcale Porn, what's that thing with paypal option not to be seen ??!?!? Did they rejected that option already ?

As far as I know the paypal will be for EU only for now, but still it's a good option, because
for some reason people prefer to pay with paypal...

Cheers,
M.

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Jel

Damian's 'fucking twat cunt' card trumps his passport. Another biz thread derailed.

ReggieDurango

Damian, You're Back On Gfy Now That DVT Is Back?

DamianJ

Yes, a MASSIVE boost. And Epoch is much better than CCBill anyway in terms of throughput and rebills.

DamianJ

Yeah, Eddy does that all the time. If it's not a thread about shit TV shows or mental health medicine he doesn't know what to do.

How's it going on that blackhat forum. You post there like you've been in the biz 2 months. Love your questions, funny stuff!

DamianJ

I Never Left. Why Are You Typing With Caps On The First Letter?

EddyTheDog

Me or Jel?

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Jel

me most likely, going by your quote of him. Like not professing to know it all when I don't, and asking is a bad thing

I'm there to learn, not swing my e-dick around

DamianJ

Who did I quote?

This stuff isn't really that hard. Why are you hell bent on ruining Adam's thread?

RandyRandy

Nevermind, I thought I was going to learn something here. If and when Paypal is accepted in the US for porn (through Epoch or whoever) I think it will be HUGE - buyers equate Paypal with buyer protection. I've always been happy with my Paypal transactions as a consumer.

DamianJ

Asking is a great thing. Asking the sort of questions you ask make it look like you've been in the biz 2 months! But then again looking at your "tour" page on your lezzer site it seems you have only been at this a few weeks. DIY Frontpage tours a la DVTimes. lol.

Oh and just because your PC has lots of fonts, doesn't mean you have to try and use them ALL in one tour page.

Here's my challenge. I will pay DVTimes for 2 hours of his time to redesign your tour. You split test them using Google Experiments. I bet DVTimes' one is better than your existing one. If it is, and you prove the stats, I will send you a big bag of monster munch. Any flavour.

epitome

Common sense says yes, but we all know you gave a useless thread quota to meet.

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If you didn't make sales 2 months ago, don't expect them now.

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DVTimes

Do not be silly Damian, you never pay.

It was only a week or so ago when you set me a challange and I took you up. You pretended you were out all day to avoid paying me.

Please do not make yourself look foolish again.

Did you pay Paul when you lost your bet to him? I think not.

Damian, you do not have the cash mate.

Please stop making your silly challanges that you cannot clearly afford. It just makes you look foolish. Also can I ask you to stop with your thread hyjacking. I know all you want to do is spend your days stalking people. I thank you for your time. I suspect you will reply to this or other threads with more of your abuse towards me. I find you rather boring now to be honest.

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Jel

"Asking is a great thing. Asking the sort of questions you ask make it look like you've been in the biz 2 months!"

I couldn't give a fuck how it makes me look, if it leads to me making more money.

Shit tour page? Tell me how to make it better - I'm all ears and listen to ANY advice on how I can improve sales.

3 designs I've tested, this one performed worst: http://www.mixedracelesbos.com/tour3.html (dropped entirely so the internal clip pages are dead)

this did better: http://www.mixedracelesbos.com/indexccbill.html

current one does better still.

Like I say, I'm open to any and all constructive criticism, tips, ideas, and I know it's far from perfect, so crack on

DamianJ

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ummmmm is this true.....

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It's hard to know where to start, the mistakes are so basic.

1) Don't use images of text. Google cannot read images. Use actual text. This can be styled using Google Web fonts. www.google.com/webfonts

2) Don't send people straight to a payment page on JOIN. Use a prepayment page with sales text and different payment options, viz: recurring, non recurring, 3/6 month, 2 day trial. Look at any other site to see examples of this.

3) Don't use a default Epoch payment page - you can brand this with your own stuff. Do so. Visual disconnect like that is horrible for the user. (And make the geo thing they've started now clickable. I see paypal button, I click, nothing happens. Appalling UX.

4) Remove the 18 only and the, I assume, nicked image of the bloke with the red line through him. The top left/header is for your branding. Not some clip art.

5) Sort out the page load time, it's shocking

6) 3 or 4 sales points, not 30. No one reads them all.

7) Don't use every font you have on your PC

8) When you click to watch a trailer, let them watch the bloody trailer, don't take them to http://www.mixedracelesbos.com/vicki-anais.html that and then not even have the Login/register clickable

9) Put some calls to action on the site. I honestly had to LOOK to find a join button.

10) In short, get a professional to design you some tours. These look like you did them yourself. If you are going for the DVTimes look, cool, if you actually want people to trust that you have a legit site, make it look like one.

HTH.

Your pal

Damian

Jel

cheers. As you can see the page is different from earlier - I do concede I've been putting off focussed work on the tour page for far too long. Your piss-take was the kick up the arse I needed.

Ok,

A few of those are for a reason eg 1. images of text that is repeated. Btw, nothing is nicked, free-use clip-art for the bloke.

2. I found better EPC with 1 option, hence no options and straight to the join form

3. I'll have to get some more info from epoch on this, I'm actually clueless on what I can have on there aside from an image, although they did tell me I can have no adult images on their hosted page, and if I embed the form on my own hosted page, the paypal option is not enabled.

4. Hmm. My thinking was more towards the 'this is a warning', and how most people hoping for something good see a warning about no under 18s, graphic content, etc as actually a good thing. Not sure it's worth 'branding' for something that is never going to have enough of a widespread appeal. Noted though.

5. Really? Loads quick here, it's on a dedicated server, no overly large files, I'm not seeing a problem at all here with load time tbh, maybe a few others will chime in and give some more input on that.

6. Yeah, It's actually 9 but agreed, I need to sort that out and it will actually be an image once done

7. ? 1 font, different weights

8. Trailer won't be viewable, that sidebar area is a placeholder for clickable join image though

9. Noted. Though I'd call your observational skills into question if you had a job finding the register links

10. Noted.

Cheers

DamianJ

I'm confused as to why you would want to use an image rather than a font that google can't read. Is it some anti-seo thing?

You can put lots of branding on your payment page. Just speak with Epoch. Doesn't need to be an adult image, just something that makes the surfer think they are on the same site.

If you don't think your site has a brand, maybe you should think about getting one. Nothing to do with widespread appeal, it's just a basic marketing concept. Logo, logotype, consistent H1, colours etc.

Why not have the trailer viewable? You are selling videos, right, so show some videos? If you want to sell someone something you really need to show it to them.

How much traffic did you throw at the test, and what did you use to test? I really find it VERY hard to believe that sending traffic straight to an ugly payment page with one price converted better than a prepayment page with options and sales text...Maybe your prepayment page was bad?

And I was looking for a big obvious call to action button, not text.

There is a great design book called Don't Make Me Think. It's on amazon. If you are going to carry on trying to do it yourself, buy the book. I shouldn't have to LOOK to find a join button, it should be screamingly obvious.

Anyway, hope you implement a few of those changes and your conversion goes up.

I'd recommend optimizely.com for testing them. OR if you want free, then GA experiments.

Oracle Porn

I'm in Israel and I don't see paypal option I've seen few weeks back when epoch started doing the pp thing... Just saying. Paypal is fairly big here.

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To avoid lots of internal duplicate content, there'll be a couple hundred pages once fully done

Yeah spoken to them and woke up to an email with a pdf with what I can do

Yep, I've hit up a member here to do me a logo at least for that top left corner

Are you not seeing the 2 minute trailer as soon as you hit the tour? That part worries me

6 figures per test - but... all tests straight from tour to the join page with different prices, and both single/multiple prices.

Not sure whether you're pre-programmed to look for a button, but if a surfer can't find those join links I'd be amazed, gotta disagree with you on that one.

Have done some, will do some more tweaking, and cheers

Jel

woken up a bit now so gonna elaborate on the price thing - this thread https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1114676 is how I like to do my selling.

Back in 2006/7 I started to offer the surfer far less choice, and instantly saw far better results. An example of this is celeb sextapes - when they are new I see far (like 50% better) sales when I link from my blog/property direct to sponsor's join page.

Obviously there are horses for courses, and there's no such thing as being able to blanket classify surfers/prospective members, so while some people prefer the pre-qualify to death method, I prefer the whet rather than sate the appetite, and make it like this:

horny surfer finds my site > whet appetite with 1 option > sponsor

bam, bam, bam. Surfer is horny, wants to cum his lot, get him to the join page asap without giving him a multitude of options where he has to stop thinking about his need (as opposed to desire) to cum to make a bunch of off-topic choices.

If I want something right then and there I'll 90% say 'how much?', pay, and get it, unless it's outrageous, like £800 for a shirt or something like that. The price informs me how much I'm paying, rather than dictates whether I'm going to buy it - I know the type of shirts I wear are £50 - £80, so a quick check to see it's in that range, and I'm getting it - no dicking about going to shops b, c, d, and e to see what kinds of shirts they have, what the prices of those ones are, and so on.

Anyway, aff sales, and as I say, sales on MRL previously (when I actually had traffic :D ), after millions worth of clicks have shown me, personally, that less options = more $. All traffic I get these days is pre-qualified to a degree (and enough of one, imo) aside from galleries; MRL from tubes, where they watch a lengthy clip, and decide to click on the banner, or type in as they want to see more of what they just have, and when I had some decent serps, from surfers knowing already what they want to see, and seeking it out, and blogs etc again from what little serps I have these days. Now I gotta get them to the join page which is a qualified click in itself, give them the least options possible while they are in 'must cum' mode so they stay in that mode.

Obviously things like tweaking the join page help, and I wasn't aware I had many options with that with epoch/ccbill, so again thanks for that info.

Aaaanyway, it's still early on a Sunday so fuck knows if I've been able to write what my head is thinking, and explain the thought process clearly, I have a fuck of a job putting into words lots of my rationale, but thought I'd give a bit back in this thread.

Who knows, we might even kiss and make up at some stage

DamianJ

Less choices is right. Loads of research to show that.

However, sending them straight to one payment page, with one choice won't work as well as giving them, say, three choices.

1) One month recurring @ £18.78
2) 3/6 month recurring @ £14.96 per month
3) 2 day trial @ £1

Prices are just made up, but shows you the jist.

You need a page to sell to them, before they hit the payment page. I am sure of that. Look at ANY big site. They all do it, and they all will have tested the idea with a lot more data than you have available.

http://enter.brazzers.com/signup/sig...0,0&tpl=join88

http://secure.twistys.com/signup/sig...=join90&signup[custom2]=TW:TOUR:HOME:LINK%20main%20menu%20join%20link&tra ckevent=TW:TOUR:HOME:LINK%20main%20menu%20join%20l ink

https://secure.vend-o.com/prejoin

And there is one trailer, yes, but when you click on any of the updates, it takes me to a page that has a non clickable graphic over the player inviting me to join, but obviously, it isn't clickable! Show them more!

You can't decide to join a site based on a still from a video and no sales text, imho!

Jel

ok that prepayment page, with the options on *that* page - like I say I haven't done, but, yeah that brazzers one is done well, so I'll give that a try if I can suss out the epoch parameters. And even if I can't obviously, I'll just ask them.

I like the ND stuff eg

http://www.milfsbangteens.com/main.htm

http://www.cfnmsecret.com/main.htm

video page has that join form overlay, which I can't replicate with ccbill/epoch, though obviously that works (and I can't see it on those tours but they do have just the 1 trailer, with all episodes going to as per the above).

Here's bangbros:

http://www.brandibelle.com/t5/

haze her: http://www.hazeher.com/t4/

and so on. And obviously those have all been tested with far greater traffic also, so again I think ultimately it's gut feeling on whether I personally should or shouldn't, *but* it's possible, however unlikely, that a surfer may arrive on one of those internal pages from a SE, so I may have to reconsider that at some point, not least because it will help, however small, with time on site.

Graphic has the instruction 'login or register' and I toyed with making it clickable, but arrived at the conclusion it looks dumb as fuck if an actual member clicked on it, only to not get taken to the login page. Though on reflection, I can change that to just 'register' and have it clickable

Got that pdf re the actual epoch join page and it looks extremely limited as to how much I can customize it; top pic, bottom pic, text colour, and background colour is about it, unless I'm missing something that's staring me in the face?

Jel

D'oh. Easy as fuck if I just use buttons isn't it

DamianJ

No, it's NEVER about gut feeling. It's about testing and measuring. Try the month free trial for optimizely.com - it lets you create multiple variations VERY easily and then you will know for a fact which converts better.


Ask your rep there what they will let you do. my clients are certainly allowed to do more than the list you mention.

Kolargol

I would add changing links font color in the footer.

adultmobile

I placed that new logo of Epoch that shows the payment options based on geo target. I had implemented one myself by hand for show paypal only on countries where supported anyway.

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If it was me I would get rid of all that muck as it looks a bit yuck and out of date.



and just have the text simple (choose a better font than me).

also if you can make the vid bigger (bigger than what i have done).

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Funny, a LOT of Damian's "design tips" I use myself. I've discovered them over the years, from when I started designing in Notepad for God's sake. LOL I disagree tho with only 1 point (all others he mentioned are pretty much on my tours, my newest ones, tho I do need to swap out some jpgs for text):

I think the Epoch join form, as is, is better than any customization. I feel the same about CCBill's join forms. More specifically, what I mean is DO NOT make the Epoch or CCBill join form (hosted on their servers) look like your tour/your own Join page. Why? Because I've seen some NASTY ugly examples of people putting banners, changing this or that, and it fucks up the "familiarity factor" of seeing those "standard" Join forms.

(I did "re-design" my own CCBill forms but not by inserting banners, etc). While I do think some surfers like to feel they are on the same site when they click from your site to Epoch/CCBill surfers ALSO want to feel like they're being taken to a professional page. So play around with it but I would advise NOT to customize the Epoch/CCBill forms just yet, leave that for last. If you improved the other design factors mentioned here first your sales would improve dramatically (I feel). Once they are done you can A/B test the re-designed Epoch/Join forms.

Two cents - and best of luck!!

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Jel

I'd best clarify that http://www.mixedracelesbos.com/ is the adjusted tour, not the one in my sig until it's all done

Nice point about the form Mr Peabody, cheers