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vdbucks · 06-30-2013, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Clearly someone with more balls than you.

And yet Martin, a seventeen year old kid, beat up an older armed man. Go figure.

Yes, I'm completely spineless because I value my life too much to attack someone that I know is armed. Especially if I'm in a neighborhood where I belong and not doing anything wrong.

But yeah, good for Martin, he showed that Zimmerman guy how tough he is... I mean, was.

Lot of good those "balls" do him now eh?

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Originally Posted by Rochard

I don't see you offering up a timeline skippy.

I'm not offering up a timeline because, like you and everyone else, I don't actually know what happened. And I just happen to think that "offering up a timeline" based on nothing but my own opinions, prejudices and fantasies, and based on nothing but speculation and conjecture is quite moronic.

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Originally Posted by Rochard

I'm sorry, I didn't clarify myself. What I really meant say was "I am not intentionally watching the trial nor do I have that kind of free time, however, I do watch bits here and there". I have watched the trial here and there. I've seen parts of the chick Martin was talking to when this all went down, one of the witnesses who saw the resulting scuffle, and the first police officer on the scene who arrested Zimmerman.

At the same time, I can read. I've read the defense's side, I've read the prosecution's side; I've read Zimmerman's statements. I've the police statements.

You are saying that his head was bashed on concrete, yet Zimmerman didn't need a doctor?

At the same time from the bond hearing one of the police officers stated he "questioned Zimmerman's statement that Martin was slamming his head against the sidewalk just before he shot the teenager, saying it was "not consistent with the evidence we found."

Again, I don't have the kind of free time have.

You ask the dumbest questions.

One would imagine that if someone had a firearm in their waistband it would stick out like a sore thumb, no? Maybe it was covered up under a jacket.

Then we have a statement from Zimmerman's father: "According to Zimmerman's father, during the struggle while Martin was on top of Zimmerman, Martin saw the gun his son was carrying"

You sure as shit seem to have a lot of free time to come here and try to force your opinions as fact based on nothing but what you want to believe happened (fantasy) though.

kane · 06-30-2013, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

No shit.

They have different burdens of proof; it is a safe bet that some atty will talk them into a civil suit which will likely be settled out of court

After making my post I did a little searching. I looks like Martin's parents settled with the home owner's association where this happened for about $1 and then after announcing the settlement said they still intend to sue Zimmerman separately.

I know Zimmerman raised a decent amount of money for his defense, but it is likely going to be gone by the end of this trial. Even if they do settle with him out of court I can't imagine he has much to give them. I have a feeling it will be one of those things, like OJ, where they will be collecting from him for the rest of his life unless he gets lucky and gets another spree of donations after being found not guilty.

theking · 06-30-2013, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

I've never heard of a neighborhood watch that has squad cars and shot guns. Sounds like overkill to me.

I have known of two different communities that
I used to go to...from time to time... that had armed security guards patrolling in patrol cars and at the entrance of one of them they had a security gate with an armed security guard...present 24/7...which signed you in and listed who you were visiting.

The watch that I served with had a single patrol car with identification on it and there was always a 12 gauge shotgun in it. Some of us had handguns we carried while on patrol...some did not. We patrolled in pairs and the AO was patrolled 24/7.

kane · 06-30-2013, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by theking

I have known of two different communities that
I used to go to...from time to time... that had armed security guards patrolling in patrol cars and at the entrance of one of them they had a security gate with an armed security guard...present 24/7...which signed you in and listed who you were visiting.

The watch that I served with had a single patrol car with identification on it and there was always a 12 gauge shotgun in it. We patrolled in pairs and the AO was patrolled 24/7.

When I lived in LA a friend of mine's parents were pretty well off. His dad was some kind of a specialist surgeon and his mom was a lawyer. They lived in a very nice gated community that had a neighborhood watch that had vehicles. They didn't have guns, but they did have uniforms and tasers. I guess part of the deal with living in this community is that you had to volunteer to be on the community watch at least once per year or you had to pay a pretty hefty fine.

They took their neighborhood watch pretty damn seriously. One car always sat by the entrance gate. If the car coming in was one they didn't recognize they would follow it around until it either pulled into a house and the people were greeted and let into the home or until it left.

theking · 06-30-2013, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

When I lived in LA a friend of mine's parents were pretty well off. His dad was some kind of a specialist surgeon and his mom was a lawyer. They lived in a very nice gated community that had a neighborhood watch that had vehicles. They didn't have guns, but they did have uniforms and tasers. I guess part of the deal with living in this community is that you had to volunteer to be on the community watch at least once per year or you had to pay a pretty hefty fine.

They took their neighborhood watch pretty damn seriously. One car always sat by the entrance gate. If the car coming in was one they didn't recognize they would follow it around until it either pulled into a house and the people were greeted and let into the home or until it left.

Exactly. The communities I am talking about are in the L.A. area. I used to live in that area with my last home in the area being in Tarzana.

Captain Kawaii · 06-30-2013, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

When I lived in LA a friend of mine's parents were pretty well off. His dad was some kind of a specialist surgeon and his mom was a lawyer. They lived in a very nice gated community that had a neighborhood watch that had vehicles. They didn't have guns, but they did have uniforms and tasers. I guess part of the deal with living in this community is that you had to volunteer to be on the community watch at least once per year or you had to pay a pretty hefty fine.

They took their neighborhood watch pretty damn seriously. One car always sat by the entrance gate. If the car coming in was one they didn't recognize they would follow it around until it either pulled into a house and the people were greeted and let into the home or until it left.

Before the end of the decade they will have laptops and will be checking IDs by computer. And I suspect they will be armed. God Bless 'Merica.

AllAboutCams · 06-30-2013, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

When I lived in LA a friend of mine's parents were pretty well off. His dad was some kind of a specialist surgeon and his mom was a lawyer. They lived in a very nice gated community that had a neighborhood watch that had vehicles. They didn't have guns, but they did have uniforms and tasers. I guess part of the deal with living in this community is that you had to volunteer to be on the community watch at least once per year or you had to pay a pretty hefty fine.

They took their neighborhood watch pretty damn seriously. One car always sat by the entrance gate. If the car coming in was one they didn't recognize they would follow it around until it either pulled into a house and the people were greeted and let into the home or until it left.

Id love to live in a place like that

kane · 06-30-2013, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by AllAboutCams

Id love to live in a place like that

To be 100% honest. So would I.

TheSquealer · 06-30-2013, 09:31 PM

I live near quite a few neighborhoods in a nice area that have guard posts and big signs at the entrance saying the neighborhood is patrolled by armed patrols. I really fail to see why thats unusual. Bad people don't sit around in their neighborhoods to commit burglaries. They go to nice neighborhoods to do it. In fact, i have a brick and mortar business in a very nice area full of gated communities and luxury apartments. The apartments complexes get robbed non stop in spite of their security systems, gates etc. Organized groups of people run around hitting them on a regular basis.

theking · 06-30-2013, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

I live near quite a few neighborhoods in a nice area that have guard posts and big signs at the entrance saying the neighborhood is patrolled by armed patrols. I really fail to see why thats unusual. Bad people don't sit around in their neighborhoods to commit burglaries. They go to nice neighborhoods to do it. In fact, i have a brick and mortar business in a very nice area full of gated communities and luxury apartments. The apartments complexes get robbed non stop in spite of their security systems, gates etc. Organized groups of people run around hitting them on a regular basis.

tony286 and Rochard apparently are not aware of communities outside of their own...as there is nothing unusual about having armed people patrolling communities with different rules/instructions for different communities.

tony286 · 07-01-2013, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by kane

When I lived in LA a friend of mine's parents were pretty well off. His dad was some kind of a specialist surgeon and his mom was a lawyer. They lived in a very nice gated community that had a neighborhood watch that had vehicles. They didn't have guns, but they did have uniforms and tasers. I guess part of the deal with living in this community is that you had to volunteer to be on the community watch at least once per year or you had to pay a pretty hefty fine.

They took their neighborhood watch pretty damn seriously. One car always sat by the entrance gate. If the car coming in was one they didn't recognize they would follow it around until it either pulled into a house and the people were greeted and let into the home or until it left.

That's not a neighborhood watch that's paid security guards.

tony286 · 07-01-2013, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by theking

tony286 and Rochard apparently are not aware of communities outside of their own...as there is nothing unusual about having armed people patrolling communities with different rules/instructions for different communities.

If the police set up your neighborhood watch there are no guns,the guidelines are set up by the sheriffs assoc nationally. Now you decide to do it your own that's a different story. One of the things the cop talked about in my class was the possible costs of playing John Wayne. One of your volunteers with guns shoots somebody by mistake you can loose everything.Forget about going to jail for a long time.

johnnyloadproductions · 07-01-2013, 05:15 AM

Zimmerman had an absolute right to profile Trayvon Martin, whom is a young black male, the demographic that commits a disproportionate amount of crime. Wearing baggy clothes and walking around in late evening just aggravate the situation.

Black culture is toxic and very hindering to all black people, and the fact that blacks embrace it does not make me happy.
Casting out rational people such as Bill Cosby to be pariahs and embracing pinheads such as Spike Lee, Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson (who's son is a criminal).

It won't happen, but if black fathers stay and raise their biological children, embrace education, family, community, and rejected black culture traits associated with ghetto rap/lifestyle/thug ; within 2 generations prejudice (toward blacks) would completely evaporate.

Fools will argue nonstop even with straight facts handed to them on a platter, that's how you get a green handle... or red one.

escorpio · 07-01-2013, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by johnnyloadproductions

Zimmerman had an absolute right to profile Trayvon Martin, whom is a young black male, the demographic that commits a disproportionate amount of crime. Wearing baggy clothes and walking around in late evening just aggravate the situation.

Black culture is toxic and very hindering to all black people, and the fact that blacks embrace it does not make me happy.
Casting out rational people such as Bill Cosby to be pariahs and embracing pinheads such as Spike Lee, Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson (who's son is a criminal).

It won't happen, but if black fathers stay and raise their biological children, embrace education, family, community, and rejected black culture traits associated with ghetto rap/lifestyle/thug ; within 2 generations prejudice (toward blacks) would completely evaporate.

Fools will argue nonstop even with straight facts handed to them on a platter, that's how you get a green handle... or red one.

Why should blacks swallow your bitter pill of truth when it's easier to just call you a "racist"?

zuffa · 07-01-2013, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

I live near quite a few neighborhoods in a nice area that have guard posts and big signs at the entrance saying the neighborhood is patrolled by armed patrols. I really fail to see why thats unusual. Bad people don't sit around in their neighborhoods to commit burglaries. They go to nice neighborhoods to do it. In fact, i have a brick and mortar business in a very nice area full of gated communities and luxury apartments. The apartments complexes get robbed non stop in spite of their security systems, gates etc. Organized groups of people run around hitting them on a regular basis.

Just returned from a business trip to North Carolina where this is in the news. http://www.wral.com/autopsy-details-...oman/12579522/

That North Hills area is very exclusive.

theking · 07-01-2013, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by tony286

If the police set up your neighborhood watch there are no guns,the guidelines are set up by the sheriffs assoc nationally. Now you decide to do it your own that's a different story. One of the things the cop talked about in my class was the possible costs of playing John Wayne. One of your volunteers with guns shoots somebody by mistake you can loose everything.Forget about going to jail for a long time.

I have no idea who originally set up the watch that I was a member of as it was ongoing when I moved into the neighbor hood. I do know that everyone was encouraged to participate and I know there was a good relationship with the police.

I notice that you said "the guidelines are set up by the sheriffs assoc nationally". Guidelines are guidelines are they not? Guidelines would mean that different communities could and do have different rules/instruction...does it not?

Just Alex · 07-01-2013, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by zuffa

Just returned from a business trip to North Carolina where this is in the news. http://www.wral.com/autopsy-details-...oman/12579522/

That North Hills area is very exclusive.

I am sure Travion went out for Skittles

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Ronald Lee Anthony, 23, of 1800 S. Bloodworth St., Raleigh, Travion Devonte Smith, 20, of Raleigh, and Sarah Rene Redden, 18, of 3209 Scotch Pine Trail, Wake Forest, were arrested May 22 on charges of first-degree murder.

TheSquealer · 07-01-2013, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by zuffa

Just returned from a business trip to North Carolina where this is in the news. http://www.wral.com/autopsy-details-...oman/12579522/

That North Hills area is very exclusive.

This is what is stupid about arguing that Martin running around in the dark and rain in a gated community where he was not a resident is no big deal. Just a guy walking around with skittles, making the world a better place. When you're there and you're on the lookout for people breaking into homes (as has happened continuously) and you see someone who looks very out of place - my personal assumption would be that everyone is in danger until proven otherwise. That's not unreasonable in my view.

My gf lives about 3 mins from me in a private gated community - in this community as one example was a once very well known rap producer who's net worth as i just read was thought to be 500 mil at one point. Trust me, if i was a kid that looked out of place, lurking around in the dark and rain - the security there would be on top of me in seconds.

It has absolutely nothing to do with race. A good portion of the residents are wealthy indians, pakistanis, arabs, blacks etc. There is a lake inside the community and we often go sit there and security hovers around non stop when we do. They write down my license plate number. They keep track of who is there and what they are doing. Thats what everyone wants. Thats what they are paid to do by the community. To be seen. To have a presence. To let anyone and everyone know they are there and they are watching everything. For me to walk up to the guy and start a fight is hardly justifiable under any circumstance. Particularly when all one has to do is just keep walking home.

TheSquealer · 07-01-2013, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Alex

I am sure Travion went out for Skittles

Maybe Zimmerman hated skittles?

Mayber Martin went out for skittles when he got busted with a backpack full of womens jewelry and a screwdriver prior to this event?

Tom_PM · 07-01-2013, 09:27 AM

Maybe Zimmerman was escorted down from heaven by an angel to kill the "suspect" armed with candy.

For those who don't understand.. Black kid, night time = suspect for some mentally challenged people in this country.

Jel · 07-01-2013, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

This is what is stupid about arguing that Martin running around in the dark and rain in a gated community where he was not a resident is no big deal. Just a guy walking around with skittles, making the world a better place. When you're there and you're on the lookout for people breaking into homes (as has happened continuously) and you see someone who looks very out of place - my personal assumption would be that everyone is in danger until proven otherwise. That's not unreasonable in my view.

My gf lives about 3 mins from me in a private gated community - in this community as one example was a once very well known rap producer who's net worth as i just read was thought to be 500 mil at one point. Trust me, if i was a kid that looked out of place, lurking around in the dark and rain - the security there would be on top of me in seconds.

It has absolutely nothing to do with race. A good portion of the residents are wealthy indians, pakistanis, arabs, blacks etc. There is a lake inside the community and we often go sit there and security hovers around non stop when we do. They write down my license plate number. They keep track of who is there and what they are doing. Thats what everyone wants. Thats what they are paid to do by the community. To be seen. To have a presence. To let anyone and everyone know they are there and they are watching everything. For me to walk up to the guy and start a fight is hardly justifiable under any circumstance. Particularly when all one has to do is just keep walking home.

So basically, you're saying the black douchebag deserved to be shot? There's a reason zimmerman should walk, but martins being a lowlife isn't it. To try and justify it by the above is a joke.

crazies · 07-01-2013, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

And you know this how?

You and Rochard really should be in Florida now; the prosecution needs some witnesses that will bolster their case.

At the least if they are going to run their mouths they should at least know the facts. Cmon down here guys and be among all the other dumb asses. It's easy to make dumbass comments from your computers on the wrong fucking coast.

Get the fuck back to work people.

The prosecution does NOT have a case.

Major (Tom) · 07-01-2013, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by johnnyloadproductions

Zimmerman had an absolute right to profile Trayvon Martin, whom is a young black male, the demographic that commits a disproportionate amount of crime. Wearing baggy clothes and walking around in late evening just aggravate the situation.

Black culture is toxic and very hindering to all black people, and the fact that blacks embrace it does not make me happy.
Casting out rational people such as Bill Cosby to be pariahs and embracing pinheads such as Spike Lee, Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson (who's son is a criminal).

It won't happen, but if black fathers stay and raise their biological children, embrace education, family, community, and rejected black culture traits associated with ghetto rap/lifestyle/thug ; within 2 generations prejudice (toward blacks) would completely evaporate.

Fools will argue nonstop even with straight facts handed to them on a platter, that's how you get a green handle... or red one.

I get into a lot of debates with black women when they say something completely ignorant. Their reply is, "well my momma told me that & she is always right because she my momma." The problem is, too many flat out stupid young mothers are having children. It just happens to be more prevalent in the hood. They just need to stop having kids for a few hundred years.
Ds

Just Alex · 07-01-2013, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

They just need to stop having kids for a few hundred years.
Ds

Where do I sign the petition?

brassmonkey · 07-01-2013, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Maybe Zimmerman was escorted down from heaven by an angel to kill the "suspect" armed with candy.

For those who don't understand.. Black kid, night time = suspect for some mentally challenged people in this country.

doesn't matter he was un armed

Rochard · 07-01-2013, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by vdbucks

Yes, I'm completely spineless because I value my life too much to attack someone that I know is armed.

So you are spineless and have no balls. Got it.

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Originally Posted by vdbucks

I'm not offering up a timeline because, like you and everyone else, I don't actually know what happened. And I just happen to think that "offering up a timeline" based on nothing but my own opinions, prejudices and fantasies, and based on nothing but speculation and conjecture is quite moronic.

I am offering up a timeline based one what I can piece together. It's not like this hasn't been on the news for months and it's not like we haven't seen dozens of timelines on the news and online before.

I don't have any prejudices at all. I don't care what color or race anyone has; It's not important to me. What is important to me is that I have a child and we have a security force that patrols at night - should I be concerned that my kid will be gunned down because she doesn't look like she lives here?

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Originally Posted by vdbucks

You sure as shit seem to have a lot of free time to come here and try to force your opinions as fact based on nothing but what you want to believe happened (fantasy) though.

I'm not forcing anything; I'm debating.

Rochard · 07-01-2013, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by theking

I have known of two different communities that
I used to go to...from time to time... that had armed security guards patrolling in patrol cars and at the entrance of one of them they had a security gate with an armed security guard...present 24/7...which signed you in and listed who you were visiting.

The watch that I served with had a single patrol car with identification on it and there was always a 12 gauge shotgun in it. Some of us had handguns we carried while on patrol...some did not. We patrolled in pairs and the AO was patrolled 24/7.

I honestly do not know much about "neighborhood watches" and I am stunned that they could be armed. Here my town even our "volunteer police" are unarmed. Then again, I live in a town where we have a very low crime rate.

Did you have any special training for this?

Just Alex · 07-01-2013, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey

doesn't matter he was un armed

This one was unarmed as well

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_1...y-cam-beating/

BFT3K · 07-01-2013, 12:05 PM

Zimmerman is a living billboard, warning normal people why morons shouldn't be allowed to wander around with guns. And by "morons" I mean the clear majority of the populace.

Rochard · 07-01-2013, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by theking

tony286 and Rochard apparently are not aware of communities outside of their own...as there is nothing unusual about having armed people patrolling communities with different rules/instructions for different communities.

Sorry, I've never lived in a city like Tarzana California where the robbery rate is four times the national average....

Rochard · 07-01-2013, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

This is what is stupid about arguing that Martin running around in the dark and rain in a gated community where he was not a resident is no big deal. Just a guy walking around with skittles, making the world a better place. When you're there and you're on the lookout for people breaking into homes (as has happened continuously) and you see someone who looks very out of place - my personal assumption would be that everyone is in danger until proven otherwise. That's not unreasonable in my view.

My gf lives about 3 mins from me in a private gated community - in this community as one example was a once very well known rap producer who's net worth as i just read was thought to be 500 mil at one point. Trust me, if i was a kid that looked out of place, lurking around in the dark and rain - the security there would be on top of me in seconds.

It has absolutely nothing to do with race. A good portion of the residents are wealthy indians, pakistanis, arabs, blacks etc. There is a lake inside the community and we often go sit there and security hovers around non stop when we do. They write down my license plate number. They keep track of who is there and what they are doing. Thats what everyone wants. Thats what they are paid to do by the community. To be seen. To have a presence. To let anyone and everyone know they are there and they are watching everything. For me to walk up to the guy and start a fight is hardly justifiable under any circumstance. Particularly when all one has to do is just keep walking home.

I don't think it had anything to with race either. There was a number of robberies, Zimmerman was on the neighborhood watch, and it was in his best interests and the communities best interests to report it.

brassmonkey · 07-01-2013, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Alex

This one was unarmed as well

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_1...y-cam-beating/

apples and oranges clearly you cant see that.

Just Alex · 07-01-2013, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey

apples and oranges clearly you cant see that.

Yes, NJ neighborhood didn't have Zimmermans patrolling. And if they did your people would still cry racism

vdbucks · 07-01-2013, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

So you are spineless and have no balls. Got it.

If it makes you feel tougher than me then sure. Fact of the matter is, Martin's "toughness" got him where again? Oh, right... dirt nap.

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Originally Posted by Rochard

I am offering up a timeline based one what I can piece together. It's not like this hasn't been on the news for months and it's not like we haven't seen dozens of timelines on the news and online before.

Throughout this entire debate, you have had a very one sided view, and in every way you present it, Zimmerman is guilty of murder. You have no evidence to actually support this, nor does the prosecution else they wouldn't be doing such a great job of doing the defense' job for them. You present every opinion you have as fact when it is nothing more than speculation and conjecture.

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Originally Posted by Rochard

I don't have any prejudices at all. I don't care what color or race anyone has; It's not important to me. What is important to me is that I have a child and we have a security force that patrols at night - should I be concerned that my kid will be gunned down because she doesn't look like she lives here?

You should look up the definition. Your major prejudice in this thread is that, in your view, Zimmerman is guilty no matter what; regardless of the lack of evidence supporting your opinions; and you have all but outright refused to see any chain of events other than what you think (or want to believe) happened.

Prejudice has fuck all to do with race. "The word prejudice refers to prejudgment: i.e. making a decision before becoming aware of the relevant facts of a case."

Choopa_Pardo · 07-01-2013, 01:04 PM

Maybe we should wait until all the facts are on the table before we make our decisions.

baddog · 07-01-2013, 01:22 PM

I think you guys should be at least listening to the testimony; I stated last week that I felt the prosecution is trying to prove why they did not want to try the case. The defense is going to be able to rest as soon as the prosecution does after today's testimony.

I can't help but think he is intentionally proving the defense's case.

Rochard · 07-01-2013, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by vdbucks

Throughout this entire debate, you have had a very one sided view, and in every way you present it, Zimmerman is guilty of murder. You have no evidence to actually support this, nor does the prosecution else they wouldn't be doing such a great job of doing the defense' job for them. You present every opinion you have as fact when it is nothing more than speculation and conjecture.

I do have a one sided view. This is either self defense or murder, and no one has been able to change my mind this. Self defense doesn't fly because his wounds were so minor that he didn't even need to see a doctor. He had a fat lip and a few cuts, big deal.

baddog · 07-01-2013, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

I do have a one sided view. This is either self defense or murder, and no one has been able to change my mind this. Self defense doesn't fly because his wounds were so minor that he didn't even need to see a doctor. He had a fat lip and a few cuts, big deal.

Of course, one should bear in mind that you have absolutely no clue as to the rule of LAW. Not that laws make any difference to you or your opinion.

vdbucks · 07-01-2013, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

I do have a one sided view. This is either self defense or murder, and no one has been able to change my mind this. Self defense doesn't fly because his wounds were so minor that he didn't even need to see a doctor. He had a fat lip and a few cuts, big deal.

And yet you continue to ignore the testimony as well. You assume Martin knew he was armed from the get-go, and base the rest of your argument around that. I countered that by asking who would walk up and start a fight with someone that they know is armed, and instead of realizing the logic and probability of my counter, you proceeded to talk about my balls. In real debates, we call personal attacks made as a last resort to win said debate, losing.

And who is to say that the incident didn't happen exactly as GZ said it did; that he only drew his weapon and fired because Martin saw it and threatened his life? You certainly cannot prove that this isn't what happened, nor can anyone else prove that it is what happened. And yet, you continue your entire argument and prejudice around nothing but speculation, conjecture and what you personally want to believe happened.

baddog · 07-01-2013, 02:20 PM

Don't forget, if Zimmerman is not convicted that means he had a racist jury.

Rochard · 07-01-2013, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by vdbucks

And yet you continue to ignore the testimony as well. You assume Martin knew he was armed from the get-go, and base the rest of your argument around that. I countered that by asking who would walk up and start a fight with someone that they know is armed, and instead of realizing the logic and probability of my counter, you proceeded to talk about my balls. In real debates, we call personal attacks made as a last resort to win said debate, losing.

And who is to say that the incident didn't happen exactly as GZ said it did; that he only drew his weapon and fired because Martin saw it and threatened his life? You certainly cannot prove that this isn't what happened, nor can anyone else prove that it is what happened. And yet, you continue your entire argument and prejudice around nothing but speculation, conjecture and what you personally want to believe happened.

I do not ignore any testimony. I am not watching the case on a daily basis - I don't have the kind of free time Baddog has - and the only testimony I've heard about this is that George Zimmerman's father said Martin saw the gun. I believe I also questioned if Martin saw the gun - was it just "in Zimmerman's waistband" or was it covered by a jacket (It was raining).

You seem focused on this and I'm not sure why; It doesn't matter. If Martin saw the gun or not is pointless; Martin felt threatened enough to run from a man who was obviously following him. Martin felt threatened enough to run all the way back to the only point of safety he knew in the area. Zimmerman followed him all the way.

Zimmerman says he was walking back to his truck, but I haven't heard or seen or read any witness that supports this. Zimmerman claims his head was being bashed into the concrete pavement (yet only has two minor cuts on the back of his head), and again i haven't heard or seen or read any witness statement that supports this.

I think Martin punched him in the face, and then Zimmerman panicked and shot him. If you think otherwise, great - tell me what you think.

johnnyloadproductions · 07-01-2013, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

I do not ignore any testimony. I am not watching the case on a daily basis - I don't have the kind of free time Baddog has

Yet you have time to write paragraphs of conjecture. Making conclusions without the facts at hand, especially in criminal proceedings, is dangerous and morally wrong.

I think others will agree with me that you haven't convinced anyone in this thread otherwise in accordance to your opinion, the only thing you have convinced us of is your inability to reason the facts in their totality and make sound judgment.

There is a reason they call marines jarheads...

L-Pink · 07-01-2013, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Self defense doesn't fly because his wounds were so minor that he didn't even need to see a doctor. He had a fat lip and a few cuts, big deal.

So ? if I'm caring a gun and am attacked I should wait until I'm really fucked up by my attacker before I use the gun? Wait until I'm fucked up enough to be hospitalized?

Keeping in mind the damage done just recently to xxxjay with one punch, I should wait until how many of those land?

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baddog · 07-01-2013, 02:54 PM

I know Rochard will hate to hear this, but the prosecution's witness, cop investigating the case just said he believed Zimmerman was telling the truth when he related the events of that evening.

Just Alex · 07-01-2013, 03:10 PM

Bad cop. Racist cop.

Rochard · 07-01-2013, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

So ? if I'm caring a gun and am attacked I should wait until I'm really fucked up by my attacker before I use the gun? Wait until I'm fucked up enough to be hospitalized?

Keeping in mind the damage done just recently to xxxjay with one punch, I should wait until how many of those land?

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That's the problem - at what point does it become life threatening?

Zimmerman said in the police report that he was "out of breath" and "having problems breathing". There is no doubt in my mind that Zimmerman thought it was life threatening.

If Zimmerman didn't shoot the kid... The fight would have been broken up by witnesses (or the police), Zimmerman might have been hurt, and instead of time in jail and in court fighting for his freedom, he could be a hero and going after the family in court.

xNetworx · 07-01-2013, 03:18 PM

L-Pink · 07-01-2013, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

That's the problem - at what point does it become life threatening?

Zimmerman said in the police report that he was "out of breath" and "having problems breathing". There is no doubt in my mind that Zimmerman thought it was life threatening.

If Zimmerman didn't shoot the kid... The fight would have been broken up by witnesses (or the police), Zimmerman might have been hurt, and instead of time in jail and in court fighting for his freedom, he could be a hero and going after the family in court.

Wrong. Very wrong. It becomes life threatening once someone attacks you.

A real street fight is fast, explosive, over quickly and almost always ends up on the ground.

Nothing is fair, always assume your attacker has a knife or gun.

Fighting with a gun in a waistband means both fighters have a gun since taking it away is equally hard/easy once you are close or both on the ground.

The only real way to stop your opponent in a street fight is to inflict so much damage he is incapable of further aggression.

Quit watching TV movies or MMA fights. Nothing is fair, nothing goes 15 rounds. A street fight is like a car wreck, quick/bloody/brutal.

Monday morning quarterbacking is pointless …….

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Some Guy · 07-01-2013, 03:52 PM

Both parties were in the wrong. It's really as simple as that. We should just give Zimmerman a few years for manslaughter and call it good.

sandman! · 07-01-2013, 03:56 PM

the point your missing is he is allowed to carry in FL means he can carry a gun out on the street anytime he wants to has nothing to do with neighborhood watch at all.

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Originally Posted by Rochard

I honestly do not know much about "neighborhood watches" and I am stunned that they could be armed. Here my town even our "volunteer police" are unarmed. Then again, I live in a town where we have a very low crime rate.

Did you have any special training for this?

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Just Alex Liv Benson to You, Bitch Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Maryland and WV Posts: 6,060	Bad cop. Racist cop. __________________

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07-01-2013, 05:15 AM	#313
johnnyloadproductions Account Shutdown Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Gone Posts: 3,611	Zimmerman had an absolute right to profile Trayvon Martin, whom is a young black male, the demographic that commits a disproportionate amount of crime. Wearing baggy clothes and walking around in late evening just aggravate the situation. Black culture is toxic and very hindering to all black people, and the fact that blacks embrace it does not make me happy. Casting out rational people such as Bill Cosby to be pariahs and embracing pinheads such as Spike Lee, Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson (who's son is a criminal). It won't happen, but if black fathers stay and raise their biological children, embrace education, family, community, and rejected black culture traits associated with ghetto rap/lifestyle/thug ; within 2 generations prejudice (toward blacks) would completely evaporate. Fools will argue nonstop even with straight facts handed to them on a platter, that's how you get a green handle... or red one.

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baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	I know Rochard will hate to hear this, but the prosecution's witness, cop investigating the case just said he believed Zimmerman was telling the truth when he related the events of that evening.

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