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TheSquealer · 07-12-2013, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

This was mishandled from the beginning. At point Martin had circled his car - Why didn't Zimmerman roll down the window a crack and say "I"m with the neighborhood watch". In fact, he followed Martin for seventeen minutes and never said that once.

He was looking for a fight.

Mishandled at what point? At the point that the investigating officers did not see a reason to charge Zimmerman?at the point that the police chief saw no reason to charge him? At the point that the state prosecutor saw no reason to charge him? At the point that the governor got involved, got the city manager to fire the police chief and then appointed special investigators to force a trial? The point where they charged him with an unprovable crime? The point where they asked for 3rd degree murder and child abuse?

A person died and its horrible but there is nothing's that's happened so far that can be called "justice"

Robbie · 07-12-2013, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286

http://trayvon.axiomamnesia.com/audi...ford-pd-audio/

Nope actually listened to it all

Tony...you have too much time on your hands man! Get a hobby or something.

Robbie · 07-12-2013, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

lead detective Serino and other officers have already testified that 1) if they'd been patrolling that night, seen Trayvon doing EXACTLY what Zimmerman described they would not have thought it suspicious and would NOT even have stopped to ask him anything

That part is bullshit by those cops. No way that if a cop patrolling a neighborhood that has been robbed repeatedly over the last few weeks saw a guy in a hoodie walking up in people's yards at night that he wouldn't have stopped and asked him what he was doing.

He absolutely would have.

Hell, when I was a teenager in Bartow, Fla. me and my buddies were always out walking the streets at night on the weekends. And anytime the cops saw us they hassled us.

Anybody with a brain would be distrustful of a teenage boy (or worse...a group of them) on the streets after dark.

I remember my own years as a teenager. There is NOTHING more dangerous than a teenage boy. I thought I was invincible. I was violent. I was destructive. And the worst thing: I didn't give a fuck about anything.

I don't know about you guys...but looking back when I was young, from say 15 to 25 or so...I don't know how I didn't get killed.

Tom_PM · 07-12-2013, 01:52 PM

Robbie, what you think or what I think is entirely irrelevant. I watched as lead detective Serino testified that he would NOT have thought that Trayvon Martin, doing what Zimmerman said he was doing, was suspicious and he would NOT have even stopped to ask him questions. He was then asked why not and he replied that he might have lived there, he might have been looking for something, "he may have been just walking home" and there is more if you care to go watch it I guess that you can.

He was ALSO baffled by George never ONCE saying he was with neighborhood watch.. not once and he had all those opportunities. This is the lead detective, not me or my opinion, he said it. So did his partner in the second interview who's name I forget. Neither of them understood why he did what he did that night and they had the first close contacts with him in terms of the investigation.

Tom_PM · 07-12-2013, 01:53 PM

So you can SAY "oh bullshit they absolutely would have" or whatever words you feel like saying, but you and I both know it's meaningless. The man already spoke for himself, under oath, on the witness stand, in this case. Kind of trumps our armchair lawyering.

_Richard_ · 07-12-2013, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Mishandled at what point? At the point that the investigating officers did not see a reason to charge Zimmerman?at the point that the police chief saw no reason to charge him? At the point that the state prosecutor saw no reason to charge him? At the point that the governor got involved, got the city manager to fire the police chief and then appointed special investigators to force a trial? The point where they charged him with an unprovable crime? The point where they asked for 3rd degree murder and child abuse?

A person died and its horrible but there is nothing's that's happened so far that can be called "justice"

yea it took all that for some dude to be charged with 2nd degree murder gunning down a teenager going into the back of his house

you seriously think there shouldn't be a trial?

Rochard · 07-12-2013, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Mishandled at what point?

From the very first point.

Why didn't Zimmerman identify himself as a member of the Neighborhood Watch? Early on Martin circles Zimmerman's truck; They were within a few feet of each other. He couldn't roll the window and identify himself?

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

At the point that the investigating officers did not see a reason to charge Zimmerman?

They don't need to arrest you for a crime directly after it took place. In same cases they can investigate more in depth first before considering charging people. In some cases they bring in the district attorney's office, don't they?

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

At the point that the governor got involved, got the city manager to fire the police chief and then appointed special investigators to force a trial?

Well, isn't that the governor's job? When his citizens are nearly threatening to riot shouldn't step in and insist another look be taken?

I don't give a rat's ass about this. The case went through the justice system, and eventually someone somewhere for whatever reason decided to press charges.

That's. The. Way. Our. Legal. System. Works.

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

A person died and its horrible but there is nothing's that's happened so far that can be called "justice"

Sure there is. An armed man stalked a kid for seventeen minutes, even after the kid ran away from him. He killed him. He needs to pay for this. Period.

If Zimmerman stayed in his truck and waited for the police, none of this would have happened. Instead, he went out with a firearm and TWO flashlights to play police officer.

signupdamnit · 07-12-2013, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

That part is bullshit by those cops. No way that if a cop patrolling a neighborhood that has been robbed repeatedly over the last few weeks saw a guy in a hoodie walking up in people's yards at night that he wouldn't have stopped and asked him what he was doing.

Was he really walking through peoples' yards the whole time or was he just doing that to get away from Zimmerman (who never identified himself as being with the neighborhood watch) and what witnesses are there to this other than Zimmerman?

I completely agree about a teen walking through a neighborhood with a hoodie. But wasn't it also raining? I think that would make it a lot less suspicious.

According to Wikipedia here are Zimmerman's words in a call to the police:

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"This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about" and "looking at all the houses"

Wikipedia then goes on...

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although according to a police report, there was "no indication that Trayvon Martin was involved in any criminal activity at the time of the encounter"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooti...Trayvon_Martin

It really looks like he was being profiled because of either or both of his color and age. There is not any evidence to show that Trayvon Martin was walking around to commit a crime. Instead it seems he was simply walking home from the store.

What many white people may not be understanding is that a case like this may make a parent think twice about whether their son is now safe walking home at night because he might fit a certain profile and end up shot by an overzealous neighborhood watch volunteer who thinks he is a criminal. People (especially minorities) think "What if that were my son?"

theking · 07-12-2013, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

From the very first point.

Why didn't Zimmerman identify himself as a member of the Neighborhood Watch? Early on Martin circles Zimmerman's truck; They were within a few feet of each other. He couldn't roll the window and identify himself?

They don't need to arrest you for a crime directly after it took place. In same cases they can investigate more in depth first before considering charging people. In some cases they bring in the district attorney's office, don't they?

Well, isn't that the governor's job? When his citizens are nearly threatening to riot shouldn't step in and insist another look be taken?

I don't give a rat's ass about this. The case went through the justice system, and eventually someone somewhere for whatever reason decided to press charges.

That's. The. Way. Our. Legal. System. Works.

Sure there is. An armed man stalked a kid for seventeen minutes, even after the kid ran away from him. He killed him. He needs to pay for this. Period.

If Zimmerman stayed in his truck and waited for the police, none of this would have happened. Instead, he went out with a firearm and TWO flashlights to play police officer.

On the other hand if Martin would have gone home...like his lady friend on the phone with him told him to do...instead of telling her no and then confronting Zimmerman instead...he would be alive now...wouldn't he?

TheSquealer · 07-12-2013, 02:13 PM

Your arguments are weak when you have mischaracterize and distort facts and you ignore even the most fundamental facts of the case when you are resorting to the use of words like "stalked" and "gunned down".

TheSquealer · 07-12-2013, 02:19 PM

And by the way... First "stalker" in history to "stalk" his prey WHILE talking to a 911 operator.

That's some shitty stalking.

tony286 · 07-12-2013, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by theking

On the other hand if Martin would have gone home...like his lady friend on the phone with him told him to do...instead of telling her no and then confronting Zimmerman instead...he would be alive now...wouldn't he?

No she told him to run and he said no. He continued walking. eantel says she heard Martin talking to Zimmerman in the background of the call.
"He said, 'Why are you following me for?' And I heard a hard-breathing man say, 'What you doing around here?'" said Jeantel.
I doubt he was hiding behind the bush to spring. How could you jump someone by surprise and talk to them?

signupdamnit · 07-12-2013, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286

No she told him to run and he said no. He continued walking. eantel says she heard Martin talking to Zimmerman in the background of the call.
"He said, 'Why are you following me for?' And I heard a hard-breathing man say, 'What you doing around here?'" said Jeantel.
I doubt he was hiding behind the bush to spring. How could you jump someone by surprise and talk to them?

I find the "hard breathing man" part interesting as well. Was Zimmerman out of breath because:

a) He was following/running after Trayvon Martin

or

b) He was in a fight or flight mode and prone to overreacting because he falsely thought Trayvon was a hardcore criminal?

_Richard_ · 07-12-2013, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

I find the "hard breathing man" part interesting as well. Was Zimmerman out of breath because:

a) He was following/running after Trayvon Martin

or

b) He was in a fight or flight mode and prone to overreacting because he falsely thought Trayvon was a hardcore criminal?

could it be all the adderal and temazepam he was prescribed?

too bad no one thought to drug test the dude who just murdered someone

baddog · 07-12-2013, 02:39 PM

well, if it is on wikipedia why the fuck are we waiting for a jury verdict?

TheSquealer · 07-12-2013, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

well, if it is on wikipedia why the fuck are we waiting for a jury verdict?

Had the media, defense and state understood that a fruity Canadian had it all figured out, there wouldn't even be a trial.

_Richard_ · 07-12-2013, 02:43 PM

hi.

do you believe there shouldn't be a trial?

yes or no will suffice

baddog · 07-12-2013, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Had the media, defense and state understood that a fruity Canadian had it all figured out, there wouldn't even be a trial.

When this is over I will send a link to this thread to every state's Attorney General and inform them that we have a possible solution to their existing case loads and budget constraints.

theking · 07-12-2013, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

hi.

do you believe there shouldn't be a trial?

yes or no will suffice

Under Florida's self defense law...NO. That is what the initial decision was by the District Attorney's office after the police had presented him/her with all of their evidence...even though one detective said they might have enough evidence for a manslaughter case ...because the DA decided it was justifiable homicide under Florida's self defense law or that their was not enough evidence to convict.

baddog · 07-12-2013, 02:58 PM

No verdict today

signupdamnit · 07-12-2013, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

well, if it is on wikipedia why the fuck are we waiting for a jury verdict?

It's actually a very good read and largely unbiased unlike most of the posts and news stories you read about it. Some things on Wikipedia didn't make it to the trial

Rochard · 07-12-2013, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

And by the way... First "stalker" in history to "stalk" his prey WHILE talking to a 911 operator.

That's some shitty stalking.

He stalked the kid. He followed him for seventeen minutes even though 911 told him not to.

You follow me around in the dark for seventeen minutes and I will get defensive too.

TheSquealer · 07-12-2013, 03:15 PM

Followed and stalking are hardly the same thing. One is a simple statement of fact, another paints an inaccurate and inflammatory picture of predator and prey. You can only accurately say Zimmerman followed him and that is not in dispute.

And it's quite clear with the phone calls that he was following him to guide police to him and he was on the phone with the operator almost the entire time.

And 911 did not tell him not to... They themselves testified to that fact and that is just another distortion of the facts on your part

Robbie · 07-12-2013, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

So you can SAY "oh bullshit they absolutely would have" or whatever words you feel like saying, but you and I both know it's meaningless. The man already spoke for himself, under oath, on the witness stand, in this case. Kind of trumps our armchair lawyering.

I can and do say the cop is full of shit. AND...if I lived in a city with a neighborhood that was getting burglarized and a cop said that...I would be livid and calling city hall demanding he be fired for not doing his job.

baddog · 07-12-2013, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

. . . Some things on Wikipedia didn't make it to the trial

Why do you think that might be?

signupdamnit · 07-12-2013, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Why do you think that might be?

Read the article and see. It tells you that some things weren't permitted to be brought before the jury such as part of Martin's past and part of Zimmerman's past. It's a really good article. I'm about 80% through it.

EDIT: Oh. Sorry. You said WHY not WHAT. I don't know. There are different reasons. Wikipedia may not be perfect but I usually find it less biased than what people tend to post on forums.

signupdamnit · 07-12-2013, 03:52 PM

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In early April, an anonymous letter to the NAACP, which was signed "A Concerned Zimmerman Family Member," said Zimmerman had been one of the few to take any action to protest the 2010 beating of Sherman Ware, a black homeless man, by the son of a Sanford police officer. Zimmerman reportedly distributed fliers in the black community trying to get others involved too, and helped organize a January 8, 2011, Sanford City Hall community forum to protest the incident.[301] Zimmerman's father confirmed his son's efforts on Ware's behalf.[302]

In May, the Miami Herald secured an audiotape of the January 8, 2011, Sanford City Hall community forum. On the audiotape, Zimmerman was heard criticizing the conduct of the Sanford Police Department in the Ware case. Zimmerman criticized former chief, Brian Tooley, and said Tooley had engaged in a "cover-up" and that he should lose his pension. He also said he'd been on ride-alongs with Sanford police where he found them to be lazy. The Herald also reported that it had contacted five out of six black churches where Zimmerman was reported to have distributed fliers on the Ware beating, however no one recalled receiving them.[75]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooti...7 s_character

So Zimmerman probably isn't a racist unlike many of his supporters. He still (based on the audio tapes) seemed to be assuming that Martin was a criminal and up to no good though.

baddog · 07-12-2013, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

EDIT: Oh. Sorry. You said WHY not WHAT. I don't know. There are different reasons. Wikipedia may not be perfect but I usually find it less biased than what people tend to post on forums.

I will answer it for you . . . because it is made up of hearsay . . . it is not evidence, thus not relevant.

signupdamnit · 07-12-2013, 04:18 PM

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I will answer it for you . . . because it is made up of hearsay . . . it is not evidence, thus not relevant.

It's stuff like this. Though I get that you don't like Wikipedia.

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Martin had been suspended from school at the time of his death, his third disciplinary suspension of the year.[44] One suspension was for tardiness and truancy.[45] Another suspension in October 2011 was for graffiti, when Martin was observed by a security camera in a restricted area of the school marking up a door with "W.T.F."[45] When he was later searched by a Miami-Dade School Police Department officer, looking for the graffiti marker, the officer found several pieces of women's jewelry in his backpack, which Martin said a friend had given to him. A screwdriver was also found, which was described by the school police investigator as a burglary tool. The jewelry was impounded and given to the police, but no evidence ever surfaced to indicate that the jewelry was stolen.[45] Martin's third suspension involved a marijuana pipe and an empty bag containing marijuana residue.[44] Martin was not charged with any crime related to these incidents and did not have a juvenile record.[46] Judge Nelson ruled that the defense may have access to Martin's records, including the details of these suspensions, as well as access to Martin's social media sites,[47] but ruled they will not be admissible as evidence during the trial unless they can be shown to be relevant.[48]

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In 2005, Zimmerman was charged with assaulting a police officer and resisting arrest, after shoving an officer while a friend of Zimmerman's was being questioned about underage drinking. The charges were reduced, then dropped when Zimmerman entered a pre-trial diversion program. Also in 2005, Zimmerman's ex-fiance filed a restraining order against him, alleging domestic violence. Zimmerman requested a reciprocal restraining order. Both orders were granted.[61][3] The incidents were raised by prosecutors at Zimmerman's initial bond hearing. The judge described the incidents as "run of the mill" and "somewhat mild" and rejected the prosecution's claim that the incidents demonstrated that Zimmerman was violent or a threat to the community.[3][62][63]

Robbie · 07-12-2013, 04:20 PM

Yep, looks like both Zimmerman and Trayvon were a couple of average young men who do stupid shit sometimes but overall were "okay".

theking · 07-12-2013, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

It's stuff like this. Though I get that you don't like Wikipedia.

The man was not a police officer but was an undercover alcohol agent in civilian clothes in a bar and Zimmerman shoved him when he grabbed...his friend...so the alcohol agent loaded him up on charges.

baddog · 07-12-2013, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

It's stuff like this. Though I get that you don't like Wikipedia.

Didn't I say it was not relevant?

_Richard_ · 07-12-2013, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

You follow me around in the dark for seventeen minutes and I will get defensive too.

especially with your final destination being your home?

_Richard_ · 07-12-2013, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

It's stuff like this. Though I get that you don't like Wikipedia.

damn he shoved a police officer and is still able to walk?

commendable

Robbie · 07-12-2013, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

damn he shoved a police officer and is still able to walk?

commendable

Keep in mind that cops put whatever they want on their reports. Here in the U.S. you can look at a cop the wrong way and they will beat your ass and say you eye-fucked them.

But seriously...a lot of cops act like mini-Gods (because they have been given so much power by the U.S. Supreme Court since the "war on drugs" started) and they will treat you like a dog.

If you even ask them "what did I do?" they will nail you for "Obstruction Of Justice".

Most times when you go to court on that kind of thing it gets dismissed because the judges treat the cops like spoiled children who misbehave and try to smooth shit over.

That's the good part of the story.
The bad part is that the cops usually hurt you physically AND throw you in jail for the night.

_Richard_ · 07-12-2013, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Keep in mind that cops put whatever they want on their reports. Here in the U.S. you can look at a cop the wrong way and they will beat your ass and say you eye-fucked them.

But seriously...a lot of cops act like mini-Gods (because they have been given so much power by the U.S. Supreme Court since the "war on drugs" started) and they will treat you like a dog.

If you even ask them "what did I do?" they will nail you for "Obstruction Of Justice".

Most times when you go to court on that kind of thing it gets dismissed because the judges treat the cops like spoiled children who misbehave and try to smooth shit over.

That's the good part of the story.
The bad part is that the cops usually hurt you physically AND throw you in jail for the night.

yea fair enough. still it's crazy that there is a report of him actually assaulting a police officer and no one bats an eye lol

i grew up in white-bread vancouver canada.

we know not to touch cops. lol

Rochard · 07-12-2013, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Followed and stalking are hardly the same thing.

When you follow someone in the dark and in the rain for seventeen minutes and chase them when they run and then kill them, that's no longer "following" them. That's stalking.

Rochard · 07-12-2013, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

It's stuff like this. Though I get that you don't like Wikipedia.

And? Martin wasn't a saint.

No one is saying he was. But he was shot and killed to death returning home from the store with a bag of skittles.

Rochard · 07-12-2013, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Keep in mind that cops put whatever they want on their reports. Here in the U.S. you can look at a cop the wrong way and they will beat your ass and say you eye-fucked them.

Strange, I've never felt that way when dealing with the police.

Maybe it's you?

_Richard_ · 07-12-2013, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

When you follow someone in the dark and in the rain for seventeen minutes and chase them when they run and then kill them, that's no longer "following" them. That's stalking.

but but.. black people have super human powers

they can't 'be stalked'

much like chuck norris can't 'be stalked'

theking · 07-12-2013, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

When you follow someone in the dark and in the rain for seventeen minutes and chase them when they run and then kill them, that's no longer "following" them. That's stalking.

You keep saying "chase" and "stalking". Where did you come up with this? Zimmerman never said he was chasing anyone or was stalking...and Martin never said that Zimmerman was chasing or stalking him...according to testimony.

Did you just pull it out of your ass?

_Richard_ · 07-12-2013, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by theking

and Martin never said that Zimmerman was chasing or stalking him...according to testimony.

Did you just pull it out of your ass?

theking · 07-12-2013, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

Didn't watch the trial did you...sport? The girl that Martin was on the phone with when Martin confronted Zimmerman...testified that Martin said he was being followed by a creepy ass cracker...not chased...not stalked.

Mutt · 07-12-2013, 06:04 PM

i love how people have cobbled together their own versions of the entire episode that they now truly believe is the truth/fact, for them that's how it went down.

i have a couple scenarios i think are the most likely but who knows, the evidence that exists isn't high quality evidence for either side's version of the the story but for Zimmerman that works to his advantage, he only needs to prove reasonable doubt that the prosecution's version of events is wrong.

tragic event - Trayvon wasn't jumped and taken down to the ground, he could have ignored the 'creepy cracker', told him he lived in one of the townhouses and ran home and inside and called his dad about being followed by a white guy. honestly, i am sure every black kid gets profiled/followed all the time - i know i got followed when i was young and looked like a punk, unshaven and long hair.

signupdamnit · 07-12-2013, 06:51 PM

Here's the instructions to the jury:

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/nationa...an-jury/nYnqZ/

After reading them I'm not sure what I would go with.

NOT GUILTY is tempting because there seems to be some reasonable doubt. However, it is not in dispute at all that Zimmerman shot and killed Martin. Only whether or not it was Justifiable Homicide.

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JUSTIFIABLE HOMICIDE
The killing of a human being is justifiable and lawful if necessarily done while resisting an attempt to murder or commit a felony upon George Zimmerman, or to commit a felony in any dwelling house in which George Zimmerman was at the time of the attempted killing.

Note that word FELONY.

If you believe Zimmerman and that Trayvon reached for his gun and threatened to kill him that would definitely be a felony as well as a possible attempt to murder. But Zimmerman's injuries don't seem to demonstrate felony battery at all. His injuries are consistent with a minor bar fight.

So I guess the question is whether you believe Zimmerman where there is no one to collaborate his story beyond being on the ground and crying out for help (which I believe this part due to the other witness).

I see elements from his statements which make me doubt his credibility (for example that he wasn;t following him - just going in the same direction). The jury could do the same thing. Once you toss out his statements about Trayvon allegedly reaching for his gun and once you see the assault as being a misdemeanor (fairly mild and without risk of life long permanent injury - Zimmerman refused to go to the hospital afterwards) then there is an absence of any felony with which to make it "justifiable homicide".

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SECOND DEGREE MURDER
To prove the crime of Second Degree Murder, the State must prove the following three elements beyond a reasonable doubt:
1. Trayvon Martin is dead.
2. The death was caused by the criminal act of George Zimmerman.
3. There was an unlawful killing of Trayvon Martin by an act imminently dangerous to another and demonstrating a depraved mind without regard for human life.

1 is obvious
2 and 3 I have problems with. I would not convict him of this.

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MANSLAUGHTER
To prove the crime of Manslaughter, the State must prove the following two elements beyond a reasonable doubt:
1. Trayvon Martin is dead.
2. George Zimmerman intentionally committed an act or acts that caused the death of Trayvon Martin.

1. is obvious
2. I could do. Absent the justifiable Homicide defense I think I could convict him of manslaughter. But I could only do that if I saw Zimmerman as not being credible.

EDIT: In addition it's questionable whether Trayvon was committing a crime at all and not acting in self defense himself. So that casts even more doubt on the idea that a "felony" was being committed against GZ. Unless I miss something, also as mentioned, felony battery goes way beyond GZ's injuries which would not demonstrate this at all.

Robbie · 07-12-2013, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Strange, I've never felt that way when dealing with the police.

Maybe it's you?

Yeah, you met me. You think it's just me and I'm making shit up.
Grandfather was the chief of police in my home town. Mom was a deputy sheriff. Brother is a cop. Two cousins are cops.

One of my best friends for 17 years is a deputy sheriff.

I think I know law enforcement mentality and the shit that they can get away with and DO get away with doing to people. And I also know the way they like to laugh about it and trade stories of fucking people up.

Please don't insult me and insinuate I'm lying or something. That's just dumb.

vdbucks · 07-12-2013, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

for seventeen minutes

So answer me this oh wise one... Why didn't Martin use those 17 minutes to get to where he was going*? You keep pretending as if only one of them made bad choices, that one being GZ. But had Martin taken all that time he had to just go where he was going* instead of trying to be a tough little 'gangsta' then he'd still be alive today now wouldn't he?

*By the way, Martin was NOT going home, as he did not live there.

TheSquealer · 07-12-2013, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by vdbucks

So answer me this oh wise one... Why didn't Martin use those 17 minutes to get to where he was going*? You keep pretending as if only one of them made bad choices, that one being GZ. But had Martin taken all that time he had to just go where he was going* instead of trying to be a tough little 'gangsta' then he'd still be alive today now wouldn't he?

*By the way, Martin was NOT going home, as he did not live there.

Wait... You're not buying the idea that a would be murder spent almost the entire time guiding police to the location of the person he was going to kill, then made his move with police just right around the corner? All murderers wait until the police are right on top of them before confronting a total stranger, starting a fist fight... then losing it, then getting their nose broke, face beat up and head cut up... just so they can shoot them seconds before police round the corner. That my friend, is a perfectly credible version of events.

baddog · 07-12-2013, 10:54 PM

You guys are really spending way too much time dealing with facts.

I am trying to decide if the jury quitting for the day is a good thing for GZ or not. If they were close to a decision they probably would have continued . . . at least that is the impression I get.

I can't imagine putting my life in the hands of 6 women; that is some scary shit.

mromro · 07-12-2013, 11:30 PM

07-12-2013, 01:52 PM	#1204
Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	Robbie, what you think or what I think is entirely irrelevant. I watched as lead detective Serino testified that he would NOT have thought that Trayvon Martin, doing what Zimmerman said he was doing, was suspicious and he would NOT have even stopped to ask him questions. He was then asked why not and he replied that he might have lived there, he might have been looking for something, "he may have been just walking home" and there is more if you care to go watch it I guess that you can. He was ALSO baffled by George never ONCE saying he was with neighborhood watch.. not once and he had all those opportunities. This is the lead detective, not me or my opinion, he said it. So did his partner in the second interview who's name I forget. Neither of them understood why he did what he did that night and they had the first close contacts with him in terms of the investigation. __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

07-12-2013, 01:53 PM	#1205
Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	So you can SAY "oh bullshit they absolutely would have" or whatever words you feel like saying, but you and I both know it's meaningless. The man already spoke for himself, under oath, on the witness stand, in this case. Kind of trumps our armchair lawyering. __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

07-12-2013, 02:13 PM	#1210
TheSquealer BANNED Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In Your Head Posts: 25,187	Your arguments are weak when you have mischaracterize and distort facts and you ignore even the most fundamental facts of the case when you are resorting to the use of words like "stalked" and "gunned down". Last edited by TheSquealer; 07-12-2013 at 02:14 PM..

07-12-2013, 02:19 PM	#1211
TheSquealer BANNED Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In Your Head Posts: 25,187	And by the way... First "stalker" in history to "stalk" his prey WHILE talking to a 911 operator. That's some shitty stalking. __________________ . Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens. Rochard

07-12-2013, 03:15 PM	#1223
TheSquealer BANNED Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In Your Head Posts: 25,187	Followed and stalking are hardly the same thing. One is a simple statement of fact, another paints an inaccurate and inflammatory picture of predator and prey. You can only accurately say Zimmerman followed him and that is not in dispute. And it's quite clear with the phone calls that he was following him to guide police to him and he was on the phone with the operator almost the entire time. And 911 did not tell him not to... They themselves testified to that fact and that is just another distortion of the facts on your part Last edited by TheSquealer; 07-12-2013 at 03:18 PM..

07-12-2013, 02:39 PM	#1215
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	well, if it is on wikipedia why the fuck are we waiting for a jury verdict?

07-12-2013, 02:43 PM	#1217
_Richard_ Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Earth Posts: 30,989	hi. do you believe there shouldn't be a trial? yes or no will suffice

07-12-2013, 02:58 PM	#1220
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	No verdict today

07-12-2013, 04:20 PM	#1230
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,959	Yep, looks like both Zimmerman and Trayvon were a couple of average young men who do stupid shit sometimes but overall were "okay". __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

07-12-2013, 06:04 PM	#1244
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	i love how people have cobbled together their own versions of the entire episode that they now truly believe is the truth/fact, for them that's how it went down. i have a couple scenarios i think are the most likely but who knows, the evidence that exists isn't high quality evidence for either side's version of the the story but for Zimmerman that works to his advantage, he only needs to prove reasonable doubt that the prosecution's version of events is wrong. tragic event - Trayvon wasn't jumped and taken down to the ground, he could have ignored the 'creepy cracker', told him he lived in one of the townhouses and ran home and inside and called his dad about being followed by a white guy. honestly, i am sure every black kid gets profiled/followed all the time - i know i got followed when i was young and looked like a punk, unshaven and long hair. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

07-12-2013, 10:54 PM	#1249
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	You guys are really spending way too much time dealing with facts. I am trying to decide if the jury quitting for the day is a good thing for GZ or not. If they were close to a decision they probably would have continued . . . at least that is the impression I get. I can't imagine putting my life in the hands of 6 women; that is some scary shit.

07-12-2013, 11:30 PM	#1250
mromro So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 770