JuicyAds does not pay for banner farms

[tigermtb]

I received a threat today from a Publisher, who has demanded we pay him for traffic generated from a banner farm (website compromised primarily of ads), otherwise he will post to GFY and start a drama thread:

"hello,if you don't pay my credits 80 $ [...] ,i will open a forum like that
https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1028018
do you like to begin?"

Here are our Terms:
(a) PROHIBITED WEBSITES; The following non-exhaustive list of Websites prohibited from using the JuicyAds service; this list is illustrative and non-exhaustive, rather than exclusive in nature:
(iii) Websites or pages comprised or containing mostly ads, cluttered ad pages, or "banner farms"

A few days ago we checked his site and all it had was our banners (and others), not even a single video. Here is a screenshot from his website pornotette.com:



Thoughts?
Are we wrong to suspend this website and others like it?

[seeandsee]

Originally Posted by tigermtb

I received a threat today from a Publisher, who has demanded we pay him for traffic generated from a banner farm (website compromised primarily of ads), otherwise he will post to GFY and start a drama thread:

"hello,if you don't pay my credits 80 $ [...] ,i will open a forum like that
https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1028018
do you like to begin?"

Here are our Terms:
(a) PROHIBITED WEBSITES; The following non-exhaustive list of Websites prohibited from using the JuicyAds service; this list is illustrative and non-exhaustive, rather than exclusive in nature:
(iii) Websites or pages comprised or containing mostly ads, cluttered ad pages, or "banner farms"

A few days ago we checked his site and all it had was our banners (and others), not even a single video. Here is a screenshot from his website pornotette.com:



Thoughts?
Are we wrong to suspend this website and others like it?

Screenshot says all

[AllAboutCams]

I hate sites like that

[Klen]

Your site,your policy,nothing to discuss here.Even if you dont like sites with blue color publishers must obey.

[3xmedia]

what a fucking moron, just ban his ass.

[Sly]

Any advertiser purchasing based on CPM would not be happy, even CPC would not be thrilled because the quality of users on that page would obviously be lower.

[Forkbeard]

No, I think you're right, that's a pure banner farm and you don't allow those.

However, I am curious about your business reasoning. Theoretically speaking, what it is about a banner farm that makes clicks and impressions there illegitimate and not worthy of payment? I mean, I have a page where I filter a bit of 404 traffic, it's close to being a banner farm and I've never put JuicyAds on it for that reason. (Yeah, I'm one of those rare wierdos who read terms of service.) But the traffic is legit, and it's unclear to me why it would be a problem for advertisers or their broker if I dumped that traffic to a banner farm instead.

I'm guessing that that answer has something to do with empirical experience. The fact that traffic from a banner farm could be theoretically legitimate is vastly outweighed by the real-world experience of traffic brokers and buyers that traffic from a banner farm is most likely to be pure and unadulterated circle-jerked crap. Am I close?

[wehateporn]

I bet there was a lot more to his scam too, seems like the type

[notime]

I salute you.

[_Richard_]

he's opening an entire forum over $80 USD

sirious bidness

[Rochard]

I believe you are in the right. No need to have your stuff up on a banner farm without content. That's not even trying.

[fris]

is it that hentai site?

[tokmansta]

I like it how he still has pagination :p

[tigermtb]

Here is his latest reply after seeing this thread:

"such a fraudsters,i can t write no more in that forum.explains their that i have opened that site saturday! and you don t want pay 2 months of earnings of other 30 sites.liar! i want my money,write that ! "

So, I checked his other websites before suspending the account; the ones we checked all came back 404. So, I checked google's cache for another one of his sites that was previously generating his revenues...



Hmmmm... seems like more of the same.

Thanks for your comments.

[SmutHammer]

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

Your site,your policy,nothing to discuss here.Even if you dont like sites with blue color publishers must obey.

Nothing more than this needs to be said.

[trevesty]

I believe you're in the right also.

Plus... $80? He must be really broke or $80 is a lot wherever he lives. If I ever get to the point that I post a thread on here over $80, one of you come bitch slap me please.

[sandman!]

if the traffic is legit who cares ?

your site your rules tho

[anexsia]

Originally Posted by sandman!

if the traffic is legit who cares ?

your site your rules tho

Kinda what I was thinking too - Why not just pay him the $80 and then ban his ass?

[Profits of Doom]

Originally Posted by sandman!

if the traffic is legit who cares ?

your site your rules tho

Originally Posted by anexsia

Kinda what I was thinking too - Why not just pay him the $80 and then ban his ass?

I can't imagine any scenario where traffic from a site like that is legit. If you are using a banner farm like that it is only to redirect and hide the referrer of the real source of fraud traffic...

[ravo]

Originally Posted by anexsia

Kinda what I was thinking too - Why not just pay him the $80 and then ban his ass?

Why should JuicyAds pay him the $80 when all the traffic was sent against the terms and conditions of the program?

[newB]

Originally Posted by tigermtb

So, I checked his other websites before suspending the account; the ones we checked all came back 404. So, I checked google's cache for another one of his sites that was previously generating his revenues...

Poor guy - lost all his thumblogger 'sites' AND what he thought he would get paid, all in the same week.

While I don't have a whole lot of sympathy for the guy - some clarification is necessary: Did you find his 'site' to be a banner farm and immediately suspend him, or did you let him keep promoting your links and then refuse to pay because it's a banner farm?

[signupdamnit]

It's your site and so it's up to you. But that said the classy thing to do would be to pay him as long as his traffic was legitimate otherwise. The filter ads make so little that I can't see the traffic being worse than what you made on it unless it were fraudulent. If advertisers bought direct ads from him then they knew what they were getting.

You can refuse to pay him if you want and I don't think most people would call you on it. Hell I doubt most people would personally call you out on anything no matter what you did in this industry because that is how it now works. I guess it's like charging a $5 minimums for $50 paypal payments. You can do it. You can get away with it. But some people will think less of you for it whether they mention it or not. Your karma. Your choice. $80 to him is likely like $8000 to you.

[FreeFastHost]

As a juicyads advertiser, I say ban every site like this. Even if they have a small amount of content on it. The traffic is horrible, for CPM and CPC. All these guys do is acquire garbage traffic from somewhere (and it's usually fake traffic), then feed it to advertisers, who ultimately get ripped off. JuicyAds and Plugrush are the worst when it comes to sites like these. I have to go in the admin and block these shitty sites bi-weekly. Hopefully advertisers get credited for clicks after a publisher is banned?

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by Forkbeard

it's unclear to me why it would be a problem for advertisers or their broker if I dumped that traffic to a banner farm instead.

From an ad buyers perspective, it creates a lot of horrible clicks that aren't worth paying for. You have to look at it all from the perspective of the site owner and his revenue.. as well as the advertiser and the quality of traffic they are paying for.

[ctggls]

Juicyads ads are all over suspicious sites, I can name at least 5 of them that I know for sure that i've been following for quite some time.

It's one of the few traffic traders that still accept tumblr sites (not even plugrush does that), sites that dissapear from tumblr after 2 - 3 weeks because of affiliate spam.

In the past I've had problems with juicyads not displaying and the support team wasn't even aware of this.

Juicyads is one of the few traffic traders that say show banners for sale on site x but on sampleURL the banners are actually placed on site y.

Considering the points above you guys come now and start this thread because you don't want to pay for so called banner farms ? Why did you allowed his sites in the first place?

If the traffic was actually clicked why not pay the guy and then suspend his account?

[dimegkay]

Will this exclude sites generating over 30k daily clicks ?

Send few email and sites still live... why dont you suspend them as well ??

[tigermtb]

Originally Posted by ctggls

It's one of the few traffic traders that still accept tumblr sites (not even plugrush does that), sites that dissapear from tumblr after 2 - 3 weeks because of affiliate spam.

Tumblr sites don't function with our code.

Originally Posted by ctggls

Juicyads is one of the few traffic traders that say show banners for sale on site x but on sampleURL the banners are actually placed on site y.

Publishers often use the same code across multiple websites, however, we are beginning to verify websites now because some people abuse it. But yes, we do show the URLs that the traffic is actually coming from, for buyer reference.

Originally Posted by ctggls

Considering the points above you guys come now and start this thread because you don't want to pay for so called banner farms ? Why did you allowed his sites in the first place?

We review websites periodically, his websites were not reviewed earlier.

We welcome any reports of abuse, and they are always followed up on. If there are more problem websites I'd love an email so they can be reviewed or re-reviewed.

[DatePoster]

Can I monetize my ant farm with your ads?

[geneticmonkey]

Ok so will you also reimburse the funds to advertisers who's ads ran on sites of this publisher ? For current period or since day 1 ?
Or will you just bag the unpaid 80$ as pure profit ?

[mineistaken]

Don't you check sites before payout due?
Anyway - if you returned the money to advertisers then its sounds almost fair not to pay him. If you did not return money to advertisers, then...

[Webmaster Advertising]

To throw my two cents in here... As already mentioned, your site, your rules however...

What if his banner farm was generating legitimate traffic via Google or other search engines, lets not forget it wasn't that long ago that sex.com was nothing but a huge banner farm and raking in thousands of dollars a day.

What if his code appeared on a page of nothing but text articles, would that traffic be worthless?

I can see both sides, just saying that not all traffic is bad traffic, some tube sites have awesome traffic, some have bad, same with TGPs, link dumps, etc, etc...

So long as the traffic is legit and you aren't getting complaints from YOUR advertisers, who cares where it comes from as long as its not fake?

[Ace of Spades]

Originally Posted by FreeFastHost

As a juicyads advertiser, I say ban every site like this. Even if they have a small amount of content on it. The traffic is horrible, for CPM and CPC. All these guys do is acquire garbage traffic from somewhere (and it's usually fake traffic), then feed it to advertisers, who ultimately get ripped off.

I agree and good move by Juicyads banning his ass!

[adultmobile]

[geneticmonkey]

Originally Posted by geneticmonkey

Ok so will you also reimburse the funds to advertisers who's ads ran on sites of this publisher ? For current period or since day 1 ?
Or will you just bag the unpaid 80$ as pure profit ?

OK so will you reimburse the advertisers for the clicks you deem "fraudulent"
or will you bag the profits ?

Simple question. Answer please.

[tigermtb]

Originally Posted by geneticmonkey

OK so will you reimburse the advertisers for the clicks you deem "fraudulent"
or will you bag the profits ?

Simple question. Answer please.

Yes, We refund out advertisers for fraudulent traffic.

[Klen]

Originally Posted by Webmaster Advertising

To throw my two cents in here... As already mentioned, your site, your rules however...

What if his banner farm was generating legitimate traffic via Google or other search engines, lets not forget it wasn't that long ago that sex.com was nothing but a huge banner farm and raking in thousands of dollars a day.

What if his code appeared on a page of nothing but text articles, would that traffic be worthless?

I can see both sides, just saying that not all traffic is bad traffic, some tube sites have awesome traffic, some have bad, same with TGPs, link dumps, etc, etc...

So long as the traffic is legit and you aren't getting complaints from YOUR advertisers, who cares where it comes from as long as its not fake?

I had to laugh on having a "huge banner farm" and "traffic via google" in same sentence.And also,sex dot com is one of very rare pages which have large traffic not coming from google so they could be a banner farm.

[TheSquealer]

What is so hard to understand?

Traffic quality is worse with banner farms as many sites are
For advertisers, that's bad
If no one is paying or ads, there is no business

They can tell the quality of traffic by looking at the site
They can tell the quality of tragic by watching CTR
They can tell the quality of traffic by looking at how many ban it
They can tell the quality of traffic by looking at tracking pixels

[Va2k]

Originally Posted by FreeFastHost

As a juicyads advertiser, I say ban every site like this. Even if they have a small amount of content on it. The traffic is horrible, for CPM and CPC. All these guys do is acquire garbage traffic from somewhere (and it's usually fake traffic), then feed it to advertisers, who ultimately get ripped off. JuicyAds and Plugrush are the worst when it comes to sites like these. I have to go in the admin and block these shitty sites bi-weekly. Hopefully advertisers get credited for clicks after a publisher is banned?

hey can you or anyone else send me a list of the ban sites so I can add them as well thanks

[ctggls]

Originally Posted by tigermtb

Tumblr sites don't function with our code.



Publishers often use the same code across multiple websites, however, we are beginning to verify websites now because some people abuse it. But yes, we do show the URLs that the traffic is actually coming from, for buyer reference.



We review websites periodically, his websites were not reviewed earlier.

We welcome any reports of abuse, and they are always followed up on. If there are more problem websites I'd love an email so they can be reviewed or re-reviewed.

If this are not tumblr sites with juicyads on then ...

http://porn-hub.tumblr.com/
http://selfshot-amateur-teens.tumblr.com/

[Forkbeard]

Yeah I was wondering about that too. I've got one very unobtrusive JuicyAds zone on a tumblr and I've never seen any sign of code not functioning.