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bean-aid

I call bullshit on so many levels. But you opening your mouth and people listening is scary to say the least.

CamTraffic

Great read! Thanks for the thread. Will add u on skype on Monday. Cheers

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Firstly, we do not provide uploading services to tubes, so I am not selling an uploading service at all. The page you have shown is for the PornTube Content Publishing Platform. For content owners to upload to our tube. Every tube offers a content publishing platform, I launched the first ever one in March 2007 at YouPorn.

Secondly, I think you are misreading the promotion we offer at www.PornTube.com unless i don't understand what "get the funk" actually means.

Clearly, if your videos are under 10 minutes in length, we add our affiliate code to the banners so that we receive 50% of any members that join your site.

If your videos are 10 minutes or longer, we do not add our affiliate code to your banners, but you can add a tracking link. This way you keep 100% of the revenues generated from your videos that are 10 minutes or longer.

I get the feeling that if I looked out my window and said the weather was dull and overcast, you would tell me that its actually blue and brilliant sunshine and that I would have a motive for doing so.

signupdamnit

DING DING DING!

I remember him from before, I want to say sometime last year when Porntube.com first came here with their content partner program. He was all over it and publishing these wild claims. I can't be arsed to find it but I'm sure it's there for those who look.

People please use a little common sense. If it sounds to good to be true.............

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Jel

Yeah, I was pointing out the misguided assumption that this thread would lead to you suffering because of perceived competition.

signupdamnit

Many people in this industry are dumb. You have Manwin now as the #1 company in adult who can't even pay their taxes or their debt to Playboy yet people still think things are "better than ever" and believe the way to increased profitability is to release more of their full scenes or near full scenes to tubes or "try to be like Manwin in order to adapt or die".

As someone who remembers the days when I could convert paysites 1:200 FOR REAL (I'm not trying to sell you anything) AND ROUTINELY and AS AN AFFILIATE I find it incredibly sad to see what has happened to our industry.

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Marcus Aurelius

So you launched your website in 2007? What exactly are you bragging about? That it took 6 years to reach spot 23?

I'm confused.

Ruseful

The industry has moved on...

And no one is saying put full scenes or near full scenes on tubes. Change the way you shoot your content. Shoot longer scenes so that you can edit longer tube clips. My tubes clips are all around 50% of the full scene, pretty simple really. I can only tell you what I do, wether you believe it or not, not my problem. A reference was made to why would I share my secrets to only make my share of the cake smaller. I don't think people realise just how big that cake still is, even after 6 years of the tubes popping up.

signupdamnit

Who owns porntube.com these days anyway? New owners or the sames ones as a couple years ago?

https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=15467981&postcount=16

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Ruseful

Noooo, I launched my latest site www.MassageRooms.com a few days ago. And today its at #21 highest rated websites on YouPorn since records began in 2007.


Not aimed at you Marcus, but I am regretting ever starting this thread, in future, I think i'll just call my mum and dad and tell them, they might just be a little less hostile and disbelieving. What a joyful place GFY is.

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Ruseful

I am guessing by the links in your signature, that you are the type of guy that would see their content on tubes, with millions of views, and be angry and DMCA the sh*t out of them. And then continue doing the business model you used 6-10 years ago, possibly adapting a little, but always looking behind them at what the industry used to be like. And then attack anyone who speaks out in favour of the tubes, anyone with a new business model that makes use of the insane amounts of free traffic at your disposal. I only joined the industry in the autumn 2006, I didnt know what it was like before that, but I feel you are hurting inside.

I am the complete opposite, and a lot of companies are too, If I find my content on a tube that I do not upload to myself, and the videos have lots of views, I actually get excited as I know those users like my content. I instantly create a CPP account and reach out to the tube, to offer them access to my tube library of over 1,200 10min+ HD clips. Some tubes even let me simply place a affiliate banner under the infringing clips so not to lose all the fans, and data/statistics that the origional files would have. Of course, any full scenes or tube clips that have an overriding watermark or pre/post roll 3rd party adverts, those are removed as soon as I supply the infringing links on a simple email, or have xtakedowns.com issue the DMCA, what ever is easier to the tube.

Ruseful

Where did you find that picture of my mum?

Marcus Aurelius

who cares that it's #23 or 21 ?

call us when it's #1

Ruseful

Actually, my other sites are already #1, 2, 3, 6, 8 and 14. So I already hold those spots, but give it a few months and MassageRooms will be #1. http://blog.youporn.com/enter-youpor...and-win-steak/

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signupdamnit

No I'm just the type of guy who calls bullshit when I see it. You speak of "the same business model from 6-10 years ago" and I notice six years ago is 2007. That coincides almost exactly with the rise of piracy by tubes. What destroyed that business model wasn't technology or marketing genius. It was piracy and theft. And the business model isn't destroyed it's just on the severe decline because of industry idiocy.

You have a point about trying to work with the tubes to keep content up which still has a chance of getting a sale versus pirated full scenes. I'll give you that. But this belief that you will convert one paysite sale for every 5,000 video views on a tube loaded with full scenes by giving away 1,200 10min+ HD clips is ridiculous. You can come up with all the evidence you like but to me it's like someone pulling out an alleged photo of a pink elephant and then telling me I'm ignorant because I don't believe pink elephants are real. My common sense and experience overrides your "evidence". It's not as you present it to be.

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pornmasta

sounds like bullshit for me.

signupdamnit

It's all very simple and fundamental to business theory. There exists a point of maximization.

Distributing free content leads to more potential customers being exposed to your product.

But as you distribute for free more of the very same product which you are trying to sell you also reduce the tendency for a given potential customer to buy.

On one extreme no buys because they don't know you exist. On the other extreme everyone knows about you but no one buys because they can get it all for free.

There is a point where things balance for maximum profits.

This concept is hardly revolutionary or difficult to grasp.

It's common sense to realize "Just keep posting 12 minute HD videos by the thousands forever" is eventually going to cross the maximization point. What that means is REDUCED earnings. OTOH if you're the tube it's fucking great if people post thousands of 12 minute videos. You can't lose (at least until your traffic becomes worthless). You're not paying for the content and you're not losing sales. The people posting the content are.

That's all I have to say on it. Listen to me or don't people. Your call.

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Robbie

In my opinion you just described what has happened to Naughty America.

Yes, Ruseful's new site is pretty hot.

But Naughty America has tons more content and just as good of quality (if not better) and a bigger brand name that is already known by millions more people for years.

And the result of NA not policing their content has led to their entire members areas being available for free all over the internet.

And took them from being a sponsor that I used to make good sales with...down to a sponsor that I haven't been able to make sales with since around 2008.

Kudos to Ruseful if he is able to use his position as a former big shot at a tube site to keep his content down to a dull roar and control the amount that is stolen and pirated everywhere.

But all of us affiliates out here can already attest to what has happened to some very good companies who REALLY know the porn business and watched the members areas being uploaded at every tube, file locker, bit torrent, and file sharing site in the world and sales going to the bottom.

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Let me get in here with a few comments. But first let me say THIS:

I do LOTS of business with ALL the major tubes and have close friends who work at several of them so i do not want to upset anyone with my comments. HOWEVER I do feel the need to share MY experiences here, and you can all contrast them with the OP's claims.

First, about the OP: Doing some simple math, shooting 125 scenes per month as you say, would total about what? $100,000 a week in shooting costs? Six scenes per day x 5 scenes = about $20,000 a day x 5 days a week....well, you get the idea. PLUS the OP has 40 employees, owns all these high profit paysites and is a partner in 3 other tube sites....

People, this is a BRO, a major player, with MAJOR financial advantages most of us can never touch. So take all that into consideration here, the amount of the investment, past relationships, etc etc.

NOW: The part the OP leaves out - and the part that honestly drives me NUTS - is that the #1 priority for tubes sites is to SELL ADVERTISING SPACE. Period. Throw in Cams and Dating and, well, paysites are on the bottom rung of the money ladder for the tubes....

NOTHING wrong with that - EXCEPT all this "give us 10+ minute videos" nonsense is just that: nonsense. I did this to ALL major tube sites for close to a year. Know what happend? Sales dropped like a fucking stone. So now? Back to 5 minute clips....

(As a paysite owner I understand that the "sweet spot" in terms of making an actual paysite membership sale is between 3-5 mins. But this does not really help the tubes do their main business: selling ad space. What the tubes need is surfers staying ON THEIR TUBE SITE for as long as possible so they can boost those ad numbers and then make bank selling that ad space to....cams, dating and the occassional paysite.)

So giving them 10+ videos is in THEIR interest, NOT the paysite owner's interest. The OP will now claim that, according to his numbers, paysites that give 10+ min vids have higher views, higher CTR, more sales....so i must be wrong, right? Maybe I am, maybe I'M the only one who did NOT see improvements after giving the tubes what they asked of me....

"But just shoot your scenes differantly, like I do..." yeah, spending thousands and thousands to shoot "tube-specific" clips best for editing on tubes....um, ok. But how many of us can actually do this?

(Actually, I just invested about $50,000 euros filming the new Fellucia Blow so it will be interesting to see how this new HD footage does on the tubes...)

My Tours have some of the best-converting numbers anywhere. in fact, to be honest OP, your new site you brag about so heavily in this thread? Here's what I see:

Bad design
Pop-ups for Playboy? On a PAYSITE? ok....
Lousy, hard-to-read text
Join page a mess
Color scheme horrid

So: HOW are you getting so many sales? Tube vids aside, how does your Tour convert ike you say? Also: a new site, less than a few weeks old, WILL get some play but I expect those numbers to come down over time....

Anyway, regardless of design, numbers, etc, the fact remains that sending tube sites extended clips ONLY helps tube sites. My views did not go up when I sent in 12+ min vids. In fact, my CTR went DOWN, along with sales.

Then i start submitting 5 min clips again and guess WHAT? Sales are better.

So maybe it's just me but I, too, have built my little one-man business (with some outsourced employees) on the tube model, designing my tours specifically for traffic from tubes, diversified my network, etc etc. But unless you have millions - yes, MILLIONS - to invest on all this then the OP's claims are, to be kind, extremely narrowly focused and will apply to only a handful of large companies with the resources to do things the OP's way.

So where does this leave "the rest of us"? Here's my view:

Work with the tubes, work with the various Content Partner Programs, tweak your tours the best you can, edit your videos the best you can....and move on. The 2% of paysites that will do gangbusters with tubes (and I have several such paysites) are not worth trying to re-create unless you have many thousands to start, maintain and grow such a paysite. If you have existing content, or are working with content exclusively from Sponsers, then a tube strategy should be just one of your plans. (If you own a major company then re-structuring your biz along the lines of the OP's claims may work tremendously well for you.)

Be realistic, work hard, if one of your clips or sites goes bananas on a major tube then YOU can come onto GFY and boast about how awesome everything you do is and how we should all follow along.

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Ruseful

Thats why I said 6-10 years ago ;)

And understand your second point. Everyone is entitled to their opinions but it would be insane to come on here and not be able to back up 100% of what you write.

Ruseful

I actually agree with you 100%, there will be a maximum point of how many 12 min HD videos you have online in 1 tube at any time, and as soon as the stats tell me its time, we will start removing our under performing clips to make room for the new material. Also, porn does become stale so this is also valid. But one important fact, a video submitted to the tubes gets 85% of its lifetime views in the first 36 hours, so the longtail effect is certainly there, but you do have a very valid point about what is the maximisation point. I'm listening to you for sure.

Ruseful

Hey Robbie, you are bang on the money. Its integral that I have a really good DMCA strategy. Its how I protect my content, but also how I identify new business, not only new tubes that have sprung up but other "legal" avenues too. I tried 3 separate DMCA companies and the last one I thought were very good. Very happy with their service, but a company out of the blue sent me a 4 page report on the damage to my brands from over 14,000 live links...that my original DMCA company did not find!! And believe me, we were sending 1,000's of dmca's out a month. I am not here to push or sell this company and I have nothing other than a contract for them to protect all of my brands. I wont post their link in this comment but I have mentioned them previously in this thread. But again, you are bang on the money with what happens if you don't protect your main assets.

Roald

2011 sales went up with 20% compared to 2010 (rebills about 35%)
2012 sales went up with 25%% compared to 2011 (rebills about 35%)

About the same amount of traffic sent compared to the year before.

Who says NA is dead?

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I could have sold 50 memberships to NA in 2011 and it would have been 25% up from shitty 2010. lol

But if you're seeing ANY growth in paysites then you are doing good.

I'd like to hear from other affiliates.

If we were having this discussion pre-piracy explosion...90% of affiliates would be reporting year to year growth.
In 2013 I'm gonna have to guess that your results are in the minority.

I love N.A. and have promoted them since they were SoCal Cash. Watching what has happened to them makes me sick to my stomach.

And they still keep creating awesome content. But why anybody would need to join is beyond me when every scene they shoot is available in it's entirety for free within an hour after it's realease.

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Roald

I hear you, biggest thing we changed is working closer with them and sofar its paying off. But hey, pre tube era it would probably be a 50% growth ;)

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off topic but how do you spend not 50k on pov blowjob videos with the same girl?

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My guess with FreeOnes and N.A. (and other pornstar-heavy companies) is that because of the nature and structure of FreeOnes and people searching pornstar names I could see them doing really well with "big mainstream" porn companies like N.A., Brazzers, whoever.


We didn't. We used several models/couples.

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Three.Thousand

Surely if ones content converts on tube traffic, its is the absolute best idea to buy adspots instead.
As the content producer, you are being used by the site owner and the ad spot buyers, and also pleasing the leechers. And you have no idea how to truly measure the results (positives and negatives). Surely the owners and ad spot buyers laugh at the content producers. they must.

If you instead buy the traffic, you keep your product away from the leechers (who might actually have to fuckin pay for your product if they want it, scary thought) and you get the data to measure the result.

To me, its a no brainer.

The Porn Nerd

Bingo. And shhh! :D

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webgurl

JT those are amazing conversions. I've seen your numbers before. You don't need to prove yourself to anybody here. Let peeps think what they want to (ha-ha).

HushMoney

Says the girl that works at the same tube sites the OP has a self admitted interest in. LOL. So much bullshit flying in this thread I need to go shower.

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If you are with HushMoney, you guys have an account with our content program at PornTube and actively uploading to us.
I deal with [email protected]

fuzebox

A lot of people in this thread who either don't have content good enough to convert, enough of it to be able to upload 12+ minute videos, or think tube marketing is a simple set and forget of uploading a handful of cut clips with a generic banner they got from their filipino designer, to their generic 2005-style reality tour.

Niktamer

good Job Man !

We are far from being ranked as good as you and we still make 30-40 new sales in Type-in daily from the tube and about 20 sales from different partner program.

and we only have 1 guy doing it part time.

You make me want to shoot more exclusive and submit more.

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Are there people here who seriously think he started this thread to help people?

signupdamnit

Good post. I just wanted to quote this portion for emphasis. As opposed to many other people in this topic you have no reason to lie.

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I agree with that for the same reason why affiliate programs who give too much promo content lose sales..

But just because a tube offers it, doesn't mean you have to do it or hate them for offering it. And don't give even close to 10+min videos to your affiliates..

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bean-aid

Here is where the hypocrisy is: (and stated before)
You started the thread saying how killer sales happened solely by uploading to all major tubes
You linked to examples and they where all over 10 minutes
We find out you developed and actively promote a content partner program
On that content partner program you encourage, highly recommend 10+ min vids
However, 10+ min vids the tube doesn't even take a cut
... oh, you developed youporn

So why would a tube not want to make money on those sales? I would say because that is not where the money is.

Bottom line, if a tube doesn't update it will die. I say just let it.

jack-exploitedbabysitters

Intresting thread and nice sites, people who got shitty content will never understand what u talking about though. Some guys dont even know what good content is

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Awesome!

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Ruseful, I see you are located now in CZ, because of content production ? I see most of you content is done here, when looking to the tours of your site....

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JT, excellent job once again, congrats! Content looks awesome!

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Ruseful

Hey, for the record, I didn't quote NA. In fact, NA were our first ever content partner on YouPorn, and believe me, they made BANK with us!!

Ruseful

Yep, I live in Prague, hit me up if you're ever around.

Ruseful

Cheers Nik, you guys know what the users want to watch, you need to go shoot some more!! (I could shoot some exclusive content for you, not all those 125 scenes a month are for me )