When will we see the first drone strike on US soil? - GoFuckYourself.com

keysync · 02-04-2013, 09:07 PM

http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news...icans#comments

A confidential Justice Department memo concludes that the U.S. government can order the killing of American citizens if they are believed to be ?senior operational leaders? of al-Qaida or ?an associated force? -- even if there is no intelligence indicating they are engaged in an active plot to attack the U.S

So much for due process.

Joshua G · 02-04-2013, 10:03 PM

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So much for due process.

due process only applies to white people. didnt you get the memo?

StickyGreen · 02-04-2013, 10:04 PM

People don't care... they love the fact that they can be spied on and indefinitely detained without trial now... they fuckin love it...

bronco67 · 02-04-2013, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen

People don't care... they love the fact that they can be spied on and indefinitely detained without trial now... they fuckin love it...

As long as I'm not buying explosive materials on the black market, what do I have to worry about? Go ahead and watch my boring-ass life.

StickyGreen · 02-04-2013, 10:08 PM

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As long as I'm not buying explosive materials on the black market, what do I have to worry about? Go ahead and watch my boring-ass life.

See... they love it... who needs outdated things like privacy and a trial by jury?

TheSquealer · 02-04-2013, 10:10 PM

Due process for what? Taking up arms against the nation and planning terrorist attacks as part of an ongoing war is not a criminal matter. Of course, I can see where such obvious facts escape those who are suffer from paranoid delusions.

Mr Pheer · 02-04-2013, 10:13 PM

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As long as I'm not buying explosive materials on the black market, what do I have to worry about? Go ahead and watch my boring-ass life.

Yeah, who needs the 4th Ammendment anyway.

Or the 5th. Or the 6th. Or the 8th.

Fuck it, why dont we just piss on our Bill of Rights. Fuck that shit, we dont need it.

StickyGreen · 02-04-2013, 10:13 PM

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Due process for what? Taking up arms against the nation and planning terrorist attacks as part of an ongoing war is not a criminal matter. Of course, I can see where such obvious facts escape those who are suffer from paranoid delusions.

Ever heard of a slippery slope?

Laws like the NDAA start off as innocent things like "We will detain people without trial who are involved in terrorism," but later on down the line they will be locking people up for simply speaking their mind about the government.

Don't people understand how shit like this works? I guess they don't study history much...

StickyGreen · 02-04-2013, 10:14 PM

If any American thinks that it's okay for an American citizen to be indefinitely detained without trial then you are a brainwashed fool and a traitor. Simple as that.

keysync · 02-04-2013, 10:16 PM

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-- even if there is no intelligence indicating they are engaged in an active plot to attack the U.S

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Due process for what? Taking up arms against the nation and planning terrorist attacks as part of an ongoing war is not a criminal matter. Of course, I can see where such obvious facts escape those who are suffer from paranoid delusions.

You know... Innocent until proven guilty..

You're ok with a "high ranking member of the government" believing you're a threat?
I'll quote that again.

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-- even if there is no intelligence indicating they are engaged in an active plot to attack the U.S

bronco67 · 02-04-2013, 10:44 PM

There's a group of kids that fuck up everything in my neighborhood. They play football in the park near my house on Saturdays. That would be a good time to send the hellfire missile, while they're all in one place.

RyuLion · 02-04-2013, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JoshGirls Josh

due process only applies to white people. didnt you get the memo?

DWB · 02-05-2013, 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco67

As long as I'm not buying explosive materials on the black market, what do I have to worry about?

You could worry about mistaken identity. The FBI raids the wrong house all the time. Would suck to get caught up in some shit you had nothing to do with.

wehateporn · 02-05-2013, 05:09 AM

So far 'Suicides' and 'Stokes' are doing the job just nicely

wehateporn · 02-05-2013, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco67

There's a group of kids that fuck up everything in my neighborhood. They play football in the park near my house on Saturdays. That would be a good time to send the hellfire missile, while they're all in one place.

pimpmaster9000 · 02-05-2013, 05:55 AM

rights, amendments, constitutions

whats stopping them from just shooting you in the face and planting a gun in your hand?

some people like to find a false sense of security based on something somebody once wrote on a piece of paper...

Best-In-BC · 02-05-2013, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by JoshGirls Josh

due process only applies to white people. didnt you get the memo?

YEAH RIGHT

purecane · 02-05-2013, 06:39 AM

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See... they love it... who needs outdated things like privacy and a trial by jury?

it sad really...

seeandsee · 02-05-2013, 07:25 AM

yeah now they can kill their competition

AdultPornMasta · 02-05-2013, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

Yeah, who needs the 4th Ammendment anyway.

Or the 5th. Or the 6th. Or the 8th.

Fuck it, why dont we just piss on our Bill of Rights. Fuck that shit, we dont need it.

Indeed and they all have Powdered Toast Man on their side!

Powdered toas Man found a GREAT use for The Constitution!

TheSquealer · 02-05-2013, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen

Ever heard of a slippery slope?

When you're emotionally and mentally unhinged, everything becomes a "slippery slope" and that argument never ends no matter what the topic. "Slippery slope" means "i have no rational and defensible argument".

Your problem is consistently with authority. Maybe its chemical. Maybe your father beat you. Maybe you were abused in some other way. There is something there without question and it affects your ability to live a fulfilling life. You should stop at some point and start asking yourself "am i happy" and "why am i so paranoid" and start the process of healing yourself and finding happiness.

At the end of the day, if you are at war and you have a confirmed enemy combatant ANYWHERE, he's target. He's not a criminal. End of story. This nation treated terrorism like a criminal matter and many successful terrorist attacks, including 9/11 was the direct result.

keysync · 02-05-2013, 09:41 AM

I take it you would be ok with being the target (falsely accused or not) of a drone strike.

crockett · 02-05-2013, 09:44 AM

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It's no wonder those fuckers want to blow them selves up with suicide bombs.. They have to wear dresses in public.

Put some fucking pants on you dumb fuck tangos and then maybe you won't want to kill your selves..

crockett · 02-05-2013, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by keysync

I take it you would be ok with being the target (falsely accused or not) of a drone strike.

As long as it's just those annoying kids that fuck everything up I'm ok with it.. also can we add any group that hangs around in the street like a bunch of hoodlums to the list?

dyna mo · 02-05-2013, 09:46 AM

i'm getting one of those big-ass huge golf umbrellas, problem solved!

_Richard_ · 02-05-2013, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

Yeah, who needs the 4th Ammendment anyway.

Or the 5th. Or the 6th. Or the 8th.

Fuck it, why dont we just piss on our Bill of Rights. Fuck that shit, we dont need it.

gets in the way of business

long live the Plutocracy!

keysync · 02-05-2013, 09:51 AM

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As long as it's just those annoying kids that fuck everything up I'm ok with it.. also can we add any group that hangs around in the street like a bunch of hoodlums to the list?

That could be considered a "Group" and all you need is a high ranking member of the government to think they're up to no good and BLAMO!!!

Quiet neighborhood once again. As soon as they fill and repave the hole they just blew in the ground.

TheSquealer · 02-05-2013, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by keysync

I take it you would be ok with being the target (falsely accused or not) of a drone strike.

Oh... you're asking if i'd be ok with a 1:1,000,000,000 hypothetical?

Uhm... yeah. I guess the odds are pretty much in my favor.

Rochard · 02-05-2013, 10:54 AM

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So much for due process.

There is no "due process" outside of the United States, and the US Constitution does not protect American citizens outside of the United States. Outside of the US there are no courtrooms, no judges, no juries; If the US decides are you are an enemy combatant you will be targeted and taken out by the US military.

_Richard_ · 02-05-2013, 10:55 AM

i thought drones were deployed against mexican/canadian borders?

those haven't been fired at all?

StickyGreen · 02-05-2013, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

When you're emotionally and mentally unhinged, everything becomes a "slippery slope" and that argument never ends no matter what the topic. "Slippery slope" means "i have no rational and defensible argument".

Your problem is consistently with authority. Maybe its chemical. Maybe your father beat you. Maybe you were abused in some other way. There is something there without question and it affects your ability to live a fulfilling life. You should stop at some point and start asking yourself "am i happy" and "why am i so paranoid" and start the process of healing yourself and finding happiness.

At the end of the day, if you are at war and you have a confirmed enemy combatant ANYWHERE, he's target. He's not a criminal. End of story. This nation treated terrorism like a criminal matter and many successful terrorist attacks, including 9/11 was the direct result.

Rather than you trying to be some sort of douchebag armchair psychiatrist and assume things about my life I think we should stay on topic, which is the government being allowed to detain or assassinate AMERICAN CITIZENS without a trial.

If you agree with something like this then you don't deserve to be an American.

Just because someone in the government "says" someone is a terrorist/criminal doesn't always mean that it's true. This is why we are supposed to have due process and people should be innocent until PROVEN guilty.

This is so fucking sad what's happening to our country, and it's even worse that so many people are okay with it...

StickyGreen · 02-05-2013, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

It's no wonder those fuckers want to blow them selves up with suicide bombs.. They have to wear dresses in public.

Put some fucking pants on you dumb fuck tangos and then maybe you won't want to kill your selves..

Yea man, you're so mature, make fun of other people's cultures and the way they dress, as if it has anything to do with anything...

StickyGreen · 02-05-2013, 01:41 PM

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rights, amendments, constitutions

whats stopping them from just shooting you in the face and planting a gun in your hand?

some people like to find a false sense of security based on something somebody once wrote on a piece of paper...

It's called the LAW, and until recent years people actually used to respect it and abide by it...

We now live in a lawless country where our rights are steadily being taken away one by one, and all of you morons are perfectly fine with it... it's disgusting...

slapass · 02-05-2013, 01:44 PM

This is a really bad precedent. I understand striking at known terrorists but it does seem way off the chart for the President to authorize a strike on a US citizen regardless of what he has done. Innocent until proven guilty is a pretty big thing, and one that I do not like haven taken away.

StickyGreen · 02-05-2013, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by slapass

This is a really bad precedent. I understand striking at known terrorists but it does seem way off the chart for the President to authorize a strike on a US citizen regardless of what he has done. Innocent until proven guilty is a pretty big thing, and one that I do not like haven taken away.

Nice... at least everyone isn't a complete idiot around here...

Rochard · 02-05-2013, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by slapass

This is a really bad precedent. I understand striking at known terrorists but it does seem way off the chart for the President to authorize a strike on a US citizen regardless of what he has done. Innocent until proven guilty is a pretty big thing, and one that I do not like haven taken away.

Not when you are in a foreign country.... If the US military arrests you in a foreign country, you have zero rights as an American Citizen. US Law does not apply in Afghanistan or Yemen.

crockett · 02-05-2013, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen

Yea man, you're so mature, make fun of other people's cultures and the way they dress, as if it has anything to do with anything...

I'm pretty sure if they weren't wearing dresses they would be much happier. In fact I think that picture proves what I'm saying..

See the one dude in the grey shirt on the right? He's obviously a styling young Muslim hipster and look how happy he is, because he's wearing pants and a beanie. Then look at all the other dudes, whom are all wearing dresses and all very mad looking.

The proof is in the picture.. Men wearing pants = less suicide bombers and less holy wars..

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 02-05-2013, 03:08 PM

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StickyGreen · 02-05-2013, 03:10 PM

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EddyTheDog · 02-05-2013, 03:12 PM

Nobody has said Sept 11 2001 yet?

If you know wehateporn you might want to check up on him.

Yanks_Todd · 02-05-2013, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by keysync

http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news...icans#comments

A confidential Justice Department memo concludes that the U.S. government can order the killing of American citizens if they are believed to be ?senior operational leaders? of al-Qaida or ?an associated force? -- even if there is no intelligence indicating they are engaged in an active plot to attack the U.S

So much for due process.

Does anybody really think that during the cold war this wouldn't have happened? The difference is it wouldn't be a drone and the memos wouldn't have gotten leaked on to the internet.

_Richard_ · 02-05-2013, 03:39 PM

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Does anybody really think that during the cold war this wouldn't have happened? The difference is it wouldn't be a drone and the memos wouldn't have gotten leaked on to the internet.

im.. sorry?

does anyone think the US military wouldn't attack and kill its own citizens?

StickyGreen · 02-05-2013, 03:40 PM

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Does anybody really think that during the cold war this wouldn't have happened? The difference is it wouldn't be a drone and the memos wouldn't have gotten leaked on to the internet.

Ah yes, more idiotic logic...

It's like the people who say "Yea Obama violates the constitution, but Bush also violated the constitution!" As if that makes it okay... lol

StickyGreen · 02-05-2013, 03:41 PM

And last time I checked, there has never been an actual official law allowing for the indefinite detention of American citizens without trial before NDAA 2012...

_Richard_ · 02-05-2013, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen

And last time I checked, there has never been an actual official law allowing for the indefinite detention of American citizens without trial before NDAA 2012...

oh there was! we just wouldn't know about it.. cause it's classified.. like it is now..

StickyGreen · 02-05-2013, 03:51 PM

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oh there was! we just wouldn't know about it.. cause it's classified.. like it is now..

What do you mean it's classified now? It's not classified, it's in the National Defense Authorization Act...

_Richard_ · 02-05-2013, 03:58 PM

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What do you mean it's classified now? It's not classified, it's in the National Defense Authorization Act...

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keysync · 02-05-2013, 04:25 PM

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There is no "due process" outside of the United States, and the US Constitution does not protect American citizens outside of the United States. Outside of the US there are no courtrooms, no judges, no juries; If the US decides are you are an enemy combatant you will be targeted and taken out by the US military.

That article mentions a US law that forbids the killing of US nationals in other countries.
And there's an Executive order banning assassination.

They're legal hedge is that the attack can be made under the assumption that the "target" is an imminent threat to the US.
It does not have to be a call made by the president. It can be made by any high ranking member of government whatever that means.
They do not have to have any proof of the targets threats, of how, when, why the target may or may not propose a risk.

StickyGreen · 02-05-2013, 05:18 PM

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Treating serious issues with deliberately inappropriate humor; flippant.
Synonyms
jocose - humorous - jocular - waggish - comic - funny

I figured that might be the case, can't always tell through written text though...

_Richard_ · 02-05-2013, 05:22 PM

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I figured that might be the case, can't always tell through written text though...

he annoys me

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keysync Living the Dream Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Murica Posts: 2,375	When will we see the first drone strike on US soil? http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news...icans#comments A confidential Justice Department memo concludes that the U.S. government can order the killing of American citizens if they are believed to be ?senior operational leaders? of al-Qaida or ?an associated force? -- even if there is no intelligence indicating they are engaged in an active plot to attack the U.S So much for due process. __________________

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StickyGreen . Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 13,076	If any American thinks that it's okay for an American citizen to be indefinitely detained without trial then you are a brainwashed fool and a traitor. Simple as that.

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keysync Living the Dream Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Murica Posts: 2,375	I take it you would be ok with being the target (falsely accused or not) of a drone strike. __________________

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StickyGreen . Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 13,076	And last time I checked, there has never been an actual official law allowing for the indefinite detention of American citizens without trial before NDAA 2012...