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  • keysync
    Living the Dream
    • Sep 2011
    • 2375

    #1

    When will we see the first drone strike on US soil?

    http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news...icans#comments

    A confidential Justice Department memo concludes that the U.S. government can order the killing of American citizens if they are believed to be ?senior operational leaders? of al-Qaida or ?an associated force? -- even if there is no intelligence indicating they are engaged in an active plot to attack the U.S

    So much for due process.


  • Joshua G
    dumb libs love censorship
    • Jul 2008
    • 8198

    #2
    Originally posted by keysync
    So much for due process.
    due process only applies to white people. didnt you get the memo?

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    • StickyGreen
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      • Oct 2003
      • 13076

      #3
      People don't care... they love the fact that they can be spied on and indefinitely detained without trial now... they fuckin love it...
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      • bronco67
        Too lazy to set a custom title
        • Dec 2006
        • 29026

        #4
        Originally posted by StickyGreen
        People don't care... they love the fact that they can be spied on and indefinitely detained without trial now... they fuckin love it...
        As long as I'm not buying explosive materials on the black market, what do I have to worry about? Go ahead and watch my boring-ass life.

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        • StickyGreen
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          • Oct 2003
          • 13076

          #5
          Originally posted by bronco67
          As long as I'm not buying explosive materials on the black market, what do I have to worry about? Go ahead and watch my boring-ass life.
          See... they love it... who needs outdated things like privacy and a trial by jury?
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          • TheSquealer
            Mayor of Thneedville
            • Oct 2004
            • 26186

            #6
            Due process for what? Taking up arms against the nation and planning terrorist attacks as part of an ongoing war is not a criminal matter. Of course, I can see where such obvious facts escape those who are suffer from paranoid delusions.
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            • Mr Pheer
              So Fucking Banned
              • Dec 2002
              • 22082

              #7
              Originally posted by bronco67
              As long as I'm not buying explosive materials on the black market, what do I have to worry about? Go ahead and watch my boring-ass life.
              Yeah, who needs the 4th Ammendment anyway.

              Or the 5th. Or the 6th. Or the 8th.

              Fuck it, why dont we just piss on our Bill of Rights. Fuck that shit, we dont need it.

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              • StickyGreen
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                • Oct 2003
                • 13076

                #8
                Originally posted by TheSquealer
                Due process for what? Taking up arms against the nation and planning terrorist attacks as part of an ongoing war is not a criminal matter. Of course, I can see where such obvious facts escape those who are suffer from paranoid delusions.
                Ever heard of a slippery slope?

                Laws like the NDAA start off as innocent things like "We will detain people without trial who are involved in terrorism," but later on down the line they will be locking people up for simply speaking their mind about the government.

                Don't people understand how shit like this works? I guess they don't study history much...
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                • StickyGreen
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                  • Oct 2003
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                  #9
                  If any American thinks that it's okay for an American citizen to be indefinitely detained without trial then you are a brainwashed fool and a traitor. Simple as that.
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                  • keysync
                    Living the Dream
                    • Sep 2011
                    • 2375

                    #10
                    Originally posted by keysync
                    -- even if there is no intelligence indicating they are engaged in an active plot to attack the U.S
                    Originally posted by TheSquealer
                    Due process for what? Taking up arms against the nation and planning terrorist attacks as part of an ongoing war is not a criminal matter. Of course, I can see where such obvious facts escape those who are suffer from paranoid delusions.
                    You know... Innocent until proven guilty..

                    You're ok with a "high ranking member of the government" believing you're a threat?
                    I'll quote that again.

                    Originally posted by keysync
                    -- even if there is no intelligence indicating they are engaged in an active plot to attack the U.S


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                    • bronco67
                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                      • Dec 2006
                      • 29026

                      #11
                      There's a group of kids that fuck up everything in my neighborhood. They play football in the park near my house on Saturdays. That would be a good time to send the hellfire missile, while they're all in one place.

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                      • RyuLion
                        • Mar 2003
                        • 32364

                        #12
                        Originally posted by JoshGirls Josh
                        due process only applies to white people. didnt you get the memo?


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                        • DWB
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                          • Jul 2003
                          • 31779

                          #13
                          Originally posted by bronco67
                          As long as I'm not buying explosive materials on the black market, what do I have to worry about?
                          You could worry about mistaken identity. The FBI raids the wrong house all the time. Would suck to get caught up in some shit you had nothing to do with.

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                          • wehateporn
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                            • Apr 2007
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                            #14
                            So far 'Suicides' and 'Stokes' are doing the job just nicely

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                            • wehateporn
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                              • Apr 2007
                              • 27176

                              #15
                              Originally posted by bronco67
                              There's a group of kids that fuck up everything in my neighborhood. They play football in the park near my house on Saturdays. That would be a good time to send the hellfire missile, while they're all in one place.

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                              • pimpmaster9000
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                                • Dec 2011
                                • 26730

                                #16
                                rights, amendments, constitutions

                                whats stopping them from just shooting you in the face and planting a gun in your hand?

                                some people like to find a false sense of security based on something somebody once wrote on a piece of paper...
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                                • Best-In-BC
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                                  • Jun 2002
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by JoshGirls Josh
                                  due process only applies to white people. didnt you get the memo?

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                                  • purecane
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                                    • Jan 2013
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by StickyGreen
                                    See... they love it... who needs outdated things like privacy and a trial by jury?
                                    it sad really...
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                                    • seeandsee
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                                      #19
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                                      • AdultPornMasta
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Mr Pheer
                                        Yeah, who needs the 4th Ammendment anyway.

                                        Or the 5th. Or the 6th. Or the 8th.

                                        Fuck it, why dont we just piss on our Bill of Rights. Fuck that shit, we dont need it.
                                        Indeed and they all have Powdered Toast Man on their side!

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                                        • TheSquealer
                                          Mayor of Thneedville
                                          • Oct 2004
                                          • 26186

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by StickyGreen
                                          Ever heard of a slippery slope?
                                          When you're emotionally and mentally unhinged, everything becomes a "slippery slope" and that argument never ends no matter what the topic. "Slippery slope" means "i have no rational and defensible argument".

                                          Your problem is consistently with authority. Maybe its chemical. Maybe your father beat you. Maybe you were abused in some other way. There is something there without question and it affects your ability to live a fulfilling life. You should stop at some point and start asking yourself "am i happy" and "why am i so paranoid" and start the process of healing yourself and finding happiness.

                                          At the end of the day, if you are at war and you have a confirmed enemy combatant ANYWHERE, he's target. He's not a criminal. End of story. This nation treated terrorism like a criminal matter and many successful terrorist attacks, including 9/11 was the direct result.
                                          .
                                          Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens.

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                                          • keysync
                                            Living the Dream
                                            • Sep 2011
                                            • 2375

                                            #22
                                            I take it you would be ok with being the target (falsely accused or not) of a drone strike.


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                                            • crockett
                                              in a van by the river
                                              • May 2003
                                              • 76818

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by wehateporn
                                              It's no wonder those fuckers want to blow them selves up with suicide bombs.. They have to wear dresses in public.

                                              Put some fucking pants on you dumb fuck tangos and then maybe you won't want to kill your selves..
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                                              • crockett
                                                in a van by the river
                                                • May 2003
                                                • 76818

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by keysync
                                                I take it you would be ok with being the target (falsely accused or not) of a drone strike.
                                                As long as it's just those annoying kids that fuck everything up I'm ok with it.. also can we add any group that hangs around in the street like a bunch of hoodlums to the list?
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                                                • dyna mo
                                                  just a fucking jerk
                                                  • Dec 2008
                                                  • 68184

                                                  #25
                                                  i'm getting one of those big-ass huge golf umbrellas, problem solved!

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                                                  • _Richard_
                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                    • Oct 2006
                                                    • 30989

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Mr Pheer
                                                    Yeah, who needs the 4th Ammendment anyway.

                                                    Or the 5th. Or the 6th. Or the 8th.

                                                    Fuck it, why dont we just piss on our Bill of Rights. Fuck that shit, we dont need it.
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                                                    • keysync
                                                      Living the Dream
                                                      • Sep 2011
                                                      • 2375

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by crockett
                                                      As long as it's just those annoying kids that fuck everything up I'm ok with it.. also can we add any group that hangs around in the street like a bunch of hoodlums to the list?
                                                      That could be considered a "Group" and all you need is a high ranking member of the government to think they're up to no good and BLAMO!!!

                                                      Quiet neighborhood once again. As soon as they fill and repave the hole they just blew in the ground.


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                                                      • TheSquealer
                                                        Mayor of Thneedville
                                                        • Oct 2004
                                                        • 26186

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by keysync
                                                        I take it you would be ok with being the target (falsely accused or not) of a drone strike.
                                                        Oh... you're asking if i'd be ok with a 1:1,000,000,000 hypothetical?

                                                        Uhm... yeah. I guess the odds are pretty much in my favor.
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                                                        Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens.

                                                        Rochard

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                                                        • Rochard
                                                          Jägermeister Test Pilot
                                                          • Dec 2001
                                                          • 75733

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by keysync

                                                          So much for due process.
                                                          There is no "due process" outside of the United States, and the US Constitution does not protect American citizens outside of the United States. Outside of the US there are no courtrooms, no judges, no juries; If the US decides are you are an enemy combatant you will be targeted and taken out by the US military.
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                                                          • _Richard_
                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                            • Oct 2006
                                                            • 30989

                                                            #30
                                                            i thought drones were deployed against mexican/canadian borders?

                                                            those haven't been fired at all?

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                                                            • StickyGreen
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                                                              • Oct 2003
                                                              • 13076

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by TheSquealer
                                                              When you're emotionally and mentally unhinged, everything becomes a "slippery slope" and that argument never ends no matter what the topic. "Slippery slope" means "i have no rational and defensible argument".

                                                              Your problem is consistently with authority. Maybe its chemical. Maybe your father beat you. Maybe you were abused in some other way. There is something there without question and it affects your ability to live a fulfilling life. You should stop at some point and start asking yourself "am i happy" and "why am i so paranoid" and start the process of healing yourself and finding happiness.

                                                              At the end of the day, if you are at war and you have a confirmed enemy combatant ANYWHERE, he's target. He's not a criminal. End of story. This nation treated terrorism like a criminal matter and many successful terrorist attacks, including 9/11 was the direct result.
                                                              Rather than you trying to be some sort of douchebag armchair psychiatrist and assume things about my life I think we should stay on topic, which is the government being allowed to detain or assassinate AMERICAN CITIZENS without a trial.

                                                              If you agree with something like this then you don't deserve to be an American.

                                                              Just because someone in the government "says" someone is a terrorist/criminal doesn't always mean that it's true. This is why we are supposed to have due process and people should be innocent until PROVEN guilty.

                                                              This is so fucking sad what's happening to our country, and it's even worse that so many people are okay with it...
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                                                              • StickyGreen
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                                                                • Oct 2003
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by crockett
                                                                It's no wonder those fuckers want to blow them selves up with suicide bombs.. They have to wear dresses in public.

                                                                Put some fucking pants on you dumb fuck tangos and then maybe you won't want to kill your selves..
                                                                Yea man, you're so mature, make fun of other people's cultures and the way they dress, as if it has anything to do with anything...
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                                                                • StickyGreen
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                                                                  • Oct 2003
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by crucifissio
                                                                  rights, amendments, constitutions

                                                                  whats stopping them from just shooting you in the face and planting a gun in your hand?

                                                                  some people like to find a false sense of security based on something somebody once wrote on a piece of paper...
                                                                  It's called the LAW, and until recent years people actually used to respect it and abide by it...

                                                                  We now live in a lawless country where our rights are steadily being taken away one by one, and all of you morons are perfectly fine with it... it's disgusting...
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                                                                  • slapass
                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                    • Nov 2002
                                                                    • 14625

                                                                    #34
                                                                    This is a really bad precedent. I understand striking at known terrorists but it does seem way off the chart for the President to authorize a strike on a US citizen regardless of what he has done. Innocent until proven guilty is a pretty big thing, and one that I do not like haven taken away.

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                                                                    • StickyGreen
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                                                                      • Oct 2003
                                                                      • 13076

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by slapass
                                                                      This is a really bad precedent. I understand striking at known terrorists but it does seem way off the chart for the President to authorize a strike on a US citizen regardless of what he has done. Innocent until proven guilty is a pretty big thing, and one that I do not like haven taken away.
                                                                      Nice... at least everyone isn't a complete idiot around here...
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                                                                      • Rochard
                                                                        Jägermeister Test Pilot
                                                                        • Dec 2001
                                                                        • 75733

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by slapass
                                                                        This is a really bad precedent. I understand striking at known terrorists but it does seem way off the chart for the President to authorize a strike on a US citizen regardless of what he has done. Innocent until proven guilty is a pretty big thing, and one that I do not like haven taken away.
                                                                        Not when you are in a foreign country.... If the US military arrests you in a foreign country, you have zero rights as an American Citizen. US Law does not apply in Afghanistan or Yemen.
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                                                                        • crockett
                                                                          in a van by the river
                                                                          • May 2003
                                                                          • 76818

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by StickyGreen
                                                                          Yea man, you're so mature, make fun of other people's cultures and the way they dress, as if it has anything to do with anything...
                                                                          I'm pretty sure if they weren't wearing dresses they would be much happier. In fact I think that picture proves what I'm saying..

                                                                          See the one dude in the grey shirt on the right? He's obviously a styling young Muslim hipster and look how happy he is, because he's wearing pants and a beanie. Then look at all the other dudes, whom are all wearing dresses and all very mad looking.

                                                                          The proof is in the picture.. Men wearing pants = less suicide bombers and less holy wars..
                                                                          Last edited by crockett; 02-05-2013, 12:34 PM.
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                                                                              #39
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                                                                              • EddyTheDog
                                                                                Just Doing My Own Thing
                                                                                • Jan 2011
                                                                                • 25433

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Nobody has said Sept 11 2001 yet?

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                                                                                • Yanks_Todd
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Aug 2003
                                                                                  • 2493

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by keysync
                                                                                  http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news...icans#comments

                                                                                  A confidential Justice Department memo concludes that the U.S. government can order the killing of American citizens if they are believed to be ?senior operational leaders? of al-Qaida or ?an associated force? -- even if there is no intelligence indicating they are engaged in an active plot to attack the U.S

                                                                                  So much for due process.
                                                                                  Does anybody really think that during the cold war this wouldn't have happened? The difference is it wouldn't be a drone and the memos wouldn't have gotten leaked on to the internet.
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                                                                                  • _Richard_
                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                    • Oct 2006
                                                                                    • 30989

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by Yanks_Todd
                                                                                    Does anybody really think that during the cold war this wouldn't have happened? The difference is it wouldn't be a drone and the memos wouldn't have gotten leaked on to the internet.
                                                                                    im.. sorry?

                                                                                    does anyone think the US military wouldn't attack and kill its own citizens?

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                                                                                    • StickyGreen
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                                                                                      • Oct 2003
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by Yanks_Todd
                                                                                      Does anybody really think that during the cold war this wouldn't have happened? The difference is it wouldn't be a drone and the memos wouldn't have gotten leaked on to the internet.
                                                                                      Ah yes, more idiotic logic...

                                                                                      It's like the people who say "Yea Obama violates the constitution, but Bush also violated the constitution!" As if that makes it okay... lol
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                                                                                      • StickyGreen
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                                                                                        • Oct 2003
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        And last time I checked, there has never been an actual official law allowing for the indefinite detention of American citizens without trial before NDAA 2012...
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                                                                                        • _Richard_
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by StickyGreen
                                                                                          And last time I checked, there has never been an actual official law allowing for the indefinite detention of American citizens without trial before NDAA 2012...
                                                                                          oh there was! we just wouldn't know about it.. cause it's classified.. like it is now..

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                                                                                          • StickyGreen
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                                                                                            • Oct 2003
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by _Richard_
                                                                                            oh there was! we just wouldn't know about it.. cause it's classified.. like it is now..
                                                                                            What do you mean it's classified now? It's not classified, it's in the National Defense Authorization Act...
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                                                                                            • _Richard_
                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by StickyGreen
                                                                                              What do you mean it's classified now? It's not classified, it's in the National Defense Authorization Act...
                                                                                              fa·ce·tious
                                                                                              /fəˈsēSHəs/
                                                                                              Adjective
                                                                                              Treating serious issues with deliberately inappropriate humor; flippant.
                                                                                              Synonyms
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                                                                                              • keysync
                                                                                                Living the Dream
                                                                                                • Sep 2011
                                                                                                • 2375

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by Rochard
                                                                                                There is no "due process" outside of the United States, and the US Constitution does not protect American citizens outside of the United States. Outside of the US there are no courtrooms, no judges, no juries; If the US decides are you are an enemy combatant you will be targeted and taken out by the US military.
                                                                                                That article mentions a US law that forbids the killing of US nationals in other countries.
                                                                                                And there's an Executive order banning assassination.

                                                                                                They're legal hedge is that the attack can be made under the assumption that the "target" is an imminent threat to the US.
                                                                                                It does not have to be a call made by the president. It can be made by any high ranking member of government whatever that means.
                                                                                                They do not have to have any proof of the targets threats, of how, when, why the target may or may not propose a risk.


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                                                                                                • StickyGreen
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                                                                                                  • Oct 2003
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by _Richard_
                                                                                                  fa·ce·tious
                                                                                                  /fəˈsēSHəs/
                                                                                                  Adjective
                                                                                                  Treating serious issues with deliberately inappropriate humor; flippant.
                                                                                                  Synonyms
                                                                                                  jocose - humorous - jocular - waggish - comic - funny
                                                                                                  I figured that might be the case, can't always tell through written text though...
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                                                                                                  • _Richard_
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by StickyGreen
                                                                                                    I figured that might be the case, can't always tell through written text though...
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