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Israel just bitch smacked Gaza
Shit. Here we go again.
Seems Israel just launched multiple airstrikes on the Gaza Strip and promised that there was "more to come". http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8AD0WP20121114
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How dare they! All that Gaza did was fire hundreds of missiles over the last few months (thousands over the last few years).
These is just high-jinx and spirited pranks on the part of Hamas. No serious person would ever react to this sort of thing. The Israelis are totally blowing it out of proportion. . .
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2 groups of people who want to kill eachother because of ancient fantasy stories.
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When i clicked on that link I just saw laptops flying around the screen
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jesus says:
seems legit
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It will never end
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One of the problems we have with making war today is we are overly concerned with harming innocent people.
I am currently reading a book about WWII and the chapter I am on is talking about the respective air forces and their bombing campaigns. Warfare back then was more like "This town has an aircraft factory, thus we can bomb the factory and the entire town because nearly everyone in the town works for or supports the factory". (I understand the difficulties in accuracy in bombing during WWII and they were lucky to hit the right town, but you get my point - they bombed entire cities.) With the pin prick strikes we do now Israel attacks the people launching missiles and their armed forces, the civilvians for the most part go about their business, and three years later it's right back to square one.
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Winning a war is infinitely harder when you piss off powerless civilians and give them an incentive to join your opposition. That's the reason why carpet bombing cities doesn't work. Fomenting an indigenous resistance movement while attacking hard targets is morally correct, much cheaper and strategically smarter. |
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id like to see them to try that with iran
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at least my imaginairy friend doesn't want me to kill everybody else
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Maybe instead of trying to kill the Palestinians Israel could try peace? Not likely though considering their record of things like intentionally bombing schools and intentionally targeting civilian structures. But hey, you go on supporting that racism and apartheid Bozo you're a better man for it. |
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Here's the problem... Hamas launches multiple missiles over into Israel, until eventually Israel retaliates. Israel eventually attacks, takes out a handful of military units that might have launched the missiles or perhaps ordered the missiles launched, and in the process a few buildings in Gaza get damaged or maybe destroyed. A year later they start the entire process all over again. Nothing changes, and more people die.
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In a perfect world Hamas would stop launching missiles into Israel and Israel would stop building on land they don't legally have a right to, and perhaps even give back some of the land it took from them in the past?
Fat chance huh?
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Actually Hamas has tried stopping firing missiles. There was a ceasefire in 2008 but after a few months Israel decided they didn't like that and broke the ceasefire. So what's next, you've laid down your guns and your enemy decides to say fuck it and kill you anyways. What do you do now?
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Put a cat in a cage he will come out scratching you
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The current way wars are waged may be more humane in a sense, but they are never won. To win you have to go in and blast the fuck out of everything until they lose the ability and more importantly the "WILL" to fight. I don't agree with our involvement in a lot of these places but if you are going to win you simply can not play patty cake. |
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"Israel launched a major offensive against Palestinian militants in Gaza on Wednesday, killing the military commander of Hamas in an air strike"
So they are just targeting Militants............. "About one million Israelis live in range of Gaza's relatively primitive but lethal rockets"
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Israel is attacking the ''rebels '' ....
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Years ago my neighbor cut down a tree and some bushes that were on both of our property. I didn't throw rocks through his windows, instead I took him to court. Hamas - and the Palestinians - are going about this wrong. Their solution is always to go to war, and they get bitch smacked. They need to do what the Jews did rally the rest of the world around their cause. I understand this is a tall order and even more so going up against Israel and their world wide propaganda, but that's the only way this is gonna work.
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israel is the new germany from back then ... nazis seeking new "land to settle in the east" ... fuck those assholes - and hey, i find it really funny (NOT) that american folks have silently forgotten it was ISRAEL attacking a vessel back then when the US wanted to clarify IF israel is working on the bomb ... idiots - hand in hand invading foreign soil "bringing freedom and democracy" ... i hate both of you ... israel is NOT YOUR FRIEND!
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Psst - the solution is an economic one, not a military one. The most important rule to remember in foreign policy is 'fat men don't fight.' If you create a stable economy where people prosper and can live a lifestyle above the poverty level, people become much less willing to strap bombs to themselves. If you create a strong middle class and promote a shared sense of community.... the average person won't become radicalized by the minority. Crazy people are not the problem. Uneducated poor people motivated by crazy people are the problem. You will never eliminate the crazies. You can definitely make the poor better educated and less impoverished which mitigates the impact of the crazies.
We have crazy asshats in the US who on very rare occasion try to blow up a courthouse or organize a religious book burning. We monitor them and prevent the vast majority of their hatred from harming anyone. More importantly, we make joining them very unattractive for most people (especially among the poor) by making sure they would rather watch their flat screen television while hanging out with friends AND by making those distractions affordable. Wars are won by killing the bad guys, at tremendous cost. The peace is won by preventing ordinary people from following the crazies... and it's a much cheaper, better, more reliable way to do things. Raise the average standard of living, strongly promote at least minimal education, provide 'distractions' for the populace. It's the same formula that has worked since the first time people joined a society willingly. We don't need to kill all the crazies, we can just marginalize them instead... but it does require us to allow people who 'don't deserve' flat screen televisions and 'haven't earned an XBOX' to have them anyway. It benefits the wealthy to keep poor people at least minimally happy because doing so is much cheaper and easier than trying to kill them all. The exact same logic applies to our own country, where we ought to be taxing marijuana and letting poor people get high at home while watching comedy central instead of fostering gang wars over drug turf and paying to imprison people for selling dime bags. |
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The entire population was completely, utterly, and thoroughly done with fighting. Tens of millions of people died. Now we employ pin prick attacks at military targets only and then go in for "nation building" - but the nation doesn't need rebuilding because for the most part the only thing destroyed is the military and a handful of government buildings. In Iraq, power and water was quickly restored and life went on as it did before. It sucked for a week or two, and then they laughed about it. Ten years later or so and we still have bombings there. We didn't fix anything.
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Well then what about the UN? Again with the UN you see things like a recent vote about the settlements in the West Bank where almost every country agreed to condemn them just to have the US veto the resolution on Israel's behalf. I don't think the veto has been used to protect any country more than it has been used to protect Israel. So what can the Palestinians do now? They've tried the court thing - didn't work. They've tried a ceasefire in 2008 but Israel broke that ceasefire. What do they have left? |
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In Japan we did kill a massive number of civilians with the atomic bomb, but the effect was to demonstrate that we could in fact kill 'everyone' in such a massive devastating manner that war was futile. That isn't the same as mistreating civilians for sport or casually killing people who happen to live a few miles from a military target. When you entire family is killed by a stray bomb, you do not become more peaceful. You do not work for peace, you become exactly the kind of person willing to blow yourself up for a cause fomented by crazies. |
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This has happened. It was, in fact, the ONLY day during eight years in office that Bill and Hillary Clinton took their daugther, Chelsea, out of school. It was the historic day when Israel and Palestine signed the peace treaty under the supervision from President Clinton himself. Unfortunately, the peace didn't last very long.
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And this was only a portion of the damage and destruction caused during WWII. Entire cities were wiped off of the map, and large population centers were reduced to rubble. Your missing the point. What we (meaning society in general) is doing now is exactly what you said - They loose a family member or their entire family, they get pissed off, and they want revenge - and they have the means to follow through on it. Instead during WWII with most of Europe people lost everything - their homes, their property, their families, entire cities.... After four or five years of this they didn't want revenge, they just wanted a chance at being able to live.
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That's a crock of shit. Most Americans support the underdog, and the underdog here is quite obviously the Palestinians. The Government, politics in general, and media is of course completely different, for reasons we all know. |
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there are limits to everything and the jews stepped over about every line i can think of ... i wouldnt mind if israel vanished from the map
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Russia wasn't a member of the Geneva Convention, so nobody batted an eye at them doing it. The US however was a member, but claimed that surrendered enemy were not POW's and thus had no rights. It was essentially Gitmo, without food. Another big factor in crippling Germany for decades was Russia controlling East Germany. People like to look at the failures of East Germany as a failure of communism, but that isn't what happened. Russia meant for East Germany to remain in shambles for decades, so they went in and looted every factory of its equipment and took it back home to use in Russian manufacturing. Russia never made any attempt to rebuild East Germany. |
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^ How strange. You'd think after all the love and affection the Germans bestowed on the Soviet Union during WWII, the Soviets would be tripping over themselves to help Germany.
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War... pushes the economy and pays the bills
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I would disagree about the effects of WWI. France demanded such heavy sanctions and repatriation (Woodrow Wilson strongly opposed this) that Germany was economically destroyed.
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The Palestinians cannot go to war with Israel. Israel will destroy them quickly.
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